Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Is there a reason you don't want to out flavour and stuff? I can't remember what Yume said...something about prunes?

My role has nothing to do with prunes….

I don’t want to out flavor because there’s a part to my role that hasn’t been outed yet but would be obvious once I claimed flavor

Is it important that I claim flavor?

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Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

Can you clarify what sun attuned means again?

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I think it's likely that I was wrong on mastina

It happens

What made you change your mind on Mastina?

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I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

So you can act during BOTH Noon AND Night? Is that correct?

No

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I basically role watch someone at Night, and the watch is effective until the next Night. Yume watched Mastina/Meuh, and I couldn’t change it

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What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

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@furtive, that’s correct. I double checked that with MegA, Mastina wasn’t targeted last Night (night 1)

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@furtive, that’s correct. I double checked that with MegA, Mastina wasn’t targeted last Night (night 1)

b r u h

Are you now saying that you can act Nights and Noons, or that you didn't act last night (Noon 1)?

I can only pick my watch target on nights! But the watch ability remains active until the following night (so it was still active during noon 1)

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UNVOTE:

Okay, I'll buy that. Response was fast enough for there not to have been deliberation, and it also explains why you were on mastina/Meuh in the first place.

Which also means Meuh is 99% likely to be Town, and I owe mastina an apology...

Not sure what this does for the rest of my reads yet.

Are you thinking Mastina is likely town because scum tried to kill her?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

I cannot guarantee that it was scum that targeted her. albeit I agree it was likely scum, since I don’t see why town would mess with a claimed invest

Given there was no kill, do you feel comfortable outing your doc target Rat?

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My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:

Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance

VOTE: furtiveglance

Over the night I also had mastina, Firebringer and unwnd as potential scum, but I think all three have interactions that make them unlikely to be partnered with MMR

I'm okay with the other 3 names in the list

But what about furtive's last minute push to swing the vote onto MMR?

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Also need Yume’s replacement PPF to post

I'm yume

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I am never scum with MMR oh god, i would prevent this mistake of fakeclaim.

I'm surprised you didn't suss them more given the sketchiness of how they claimed

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My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:

Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance

VOTE: furtiveglance

Didn't RR claim a doctor like role and no one died? Yet you still want to lim them?

~Titus

I don't think that makes them town in multiball. I think it's a bit suspicious how Rat didn't come out of the gate announcing their doc target. T-Bone is also an interesting target given he wasn't on that final MMR wagon

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Also they generally don't seem to have that many scumreads

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I am also not convinced on the Mastina/Yume/RR trio

Why are we a trio?

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There’s no reason scum can’t have other factional abilities.

Possible yes, but other factional abilities are not guaranteed to even exist unlike the factional kill. We don't know what's in the [redacted] part of the role PM

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There’s no reason scum can’t have other factional abilities.

Possible yes, but other factional abilities are not guaranteed to even exist unlike the factional kill. We don't know what's in the [redacted] part of the role PM

Solar Cult and Lunar Cult - These are the two scum factions. They have nonstandard factional abilities and are not neccisarily identical. Although they are flavored as cults, conversion abilities are neither confirmed nor denied to exist.

From the OP.

Reasonable assumption other factionals exist

I kind of doubt alignment changes exist based on MegA's post in the Large Theme Game thread though

Spoiler:

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No) -
Yes, but kept to a minimum. No moderator lies are present.

Bastard elements are "kept to a minimum"... alignment changes are more than "minimum" imo

I accept the premise that it's more likely for there to be weird things in this game than normal, but still, they are less likely to exist than a factional nk

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@PPF iirc your wagon got pushed all the way to E-1 yesterday. Why is Scarf scum on that wagon in particular?

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Then because if PPF flips scum MMR buys longevity it’s more likely MMR genuinely scumread PPF

I think you raise a plausible point. I just need to think about them more tomorrow, because my brain is kind of fried right now

I also think it's easier to read Nancy through her posting in real time, so I'm also lowkey hoping I don't have to work through the messy mech of the MMR claim tbh

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@CSF I’m basing it not just on them being on our wagon but them pushing me to vote out an obvtown pr d1. And MMR also clearly preferred Mastina over us as well.

Did you claim pr d1?

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But mechanically I don’t see what scum were doing.

If MMR wanted to look better on a PPF flip, I'm kind of confused why they didn't push PPF?

Mastina/Yume/RR/PPF => assume all town why no RR dead

I think RR has a decent chance of being scum.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If possible could I get some sort of list of claims/important info thus far in the game? I’m lost and I’d like to know some basics at least

I claimed Night Role Watcher + something else unclaimed

Math claimed Day 2 dayvig

Rat claimed Noon doctor

I think there were some VT claims too but I forget who exactly those are

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YesterDay, MMR claimed Loyal Neapolitan with "no result" on Past Present Future - effectively claiming a guilty on PPF except MMR didn't actually push PPF for most of the Day

MMR then flipped Lunar passive rolecop with the condition that they always get Vanilla results on Solar mafia

Now MathBlade's theory (as I understand it) is that MMR actually got a Vanilla rolecop result on PPF. And since PPF were maybe softing a PR claim on Day 1 (this still needs to be verified) ---> this led MMR to think PPF is Solar scum with a PR (since their rolecop result on Town!PPF wouldn't have been Vanilla)

So I guess open questions are:

(1) Why did PPF claim a no result on PPF when they weren't under duress,
(2) did PPF claim or obviously suggest they were PR on day 1, and
(3) why didn't MMR push PPF (this i fear we may never know until the end of the game)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yume/CSF slot -> Some kind of invest role that checked you twice (or forced check twice) after offering to check me. Seems sus mechanically but good day play.

I'm going to spoiler it because it's not that important, but it's kind of funny in a painful way

Spoiler:

my role pm says I can act every night

I initially took night to mean I can act during both Night and Noon, as in "night phases when the thread is locked"

So I thought I could act during Noon - and I think Yume did too

I then proceeded to skim all 170 pages of this game in <24 hours to get some reads and look for claims, submitted a night action, only for MegA to tell me that I can't actually act during Noon

.... I nearly cried when I read MegA's PM

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Mastinaslot is probably a better shot than PPF
The more I think about mastina's claimed role the more it just feels like a scumclaim

Math and I have just been *blessed* by the Lunar and Solar gods and all of a sudden we *can't* be targeted by mastina?
There's zero reason for this to be true with the role that mastina claimed. There's no reason to stop her from targeting us if she just has an investigative role.

Unless her role is more than an investigative role.

How do you explain my role result?

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I'm willing to leave rat alone today because I believe t-bone is town and telling the truth.

What rat said about the burn being another factional ability in addition to the kill could make sense. In which case i think there is a good chance scum tried to kill mastina last night

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I especially find Enchant grating, but that quality of being obstinate favors a town who literally does not fucking care. It's not the same as scum pretending not to care, because it's extremely unfiltered.

Did you follow Not Quite Normal Multiball 2 at all? I'm not seeing very many differences between Enchant's play here and his play in this game (he was scum). Though anyone who was in that game I'd love another opinion on Enchant's play here.

I think he's doing more here than in nqn2, but I'm not sure he's actually outside his scumrange and there's been one or two things that's pinged me

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The lack of reaction to unwnd being checked solar attuned is concerning to me, but not vigging PPF here would be extremely suspect play.

Disagree, I think unwnd is a better vig than PPF

Does anyone townread unwnd?

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Then if unwd flips Solar CSF likely should be flipped with all due haste.

There are reasons why your me/mastina/unwnd theory doesn't make sense, but we can cross that bridge when we get to it

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@ppf: who else do you have in your scumreads besides scarf? Scarf seems town to me

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My favorite first kill today is toogaloo. They have done nothing good, and pushed the PPF wagon until the end, when MMR was the far better choice.

Why is Toog scummy for this when you did the same thing?

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Whatever. Can't carry people who can't carry themselves.

Would the lunars (who likely know PPF is solar) even want to kill PPF tonight? I don't know what scum's optimal kill strategy is in multiball. Is it a prisoner's dilemma where lunars want us to vote out PPF and we want them to kill PPF?

Again @CSF why is this town? Flip + MMR’s not voting until pretty much they were at risk of being run up debunks this and he’s still trying to drive a miselim on us in spite of it.

Compared to the other 2 slots also on MMR yesterday (Toog and enchant), I think they're doing more solving. I'm not sure though, the unwnd flip makes me feel less confident in general

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

Suspect play is not the same as suspect. Suspect play means bad play. Suboptimal play.

Regarding my last post, imagine if toogaloo had been checked solar. His reaction would have been like "WTF? I'm not solar *votes mwah*." With unwnd it's just.. nothing.

Almost like I don't give a shit about my attunement as the only that matters is my green role PM

Leading with mechanics is only good if you have a strong foundation

This game is borderline incoherent

I don't expect for people to corroborate and make informed decisions that we can utilize to hold accountability

If that were true, then mastina would've died earlier

Bittersweet

K well i dont know my attunement and shooting me is a legitimate waste

I mean literally shoot my ass if you're soooo convinced

I have nothing to lose

Go on mathblade

Do it

There's nobody townreading me you twit

Only person who has suggested that is DDS

I'm calling your bkuff

Shoot me so you can be the last chapter of that shitshow that started with you and mastina in the first place

I will be a martyr

I get dogged on for trying to change things in a game stick in limbo

I'm sick of you acting like you own the joint

Shoot me and let your stubbornness die with me

I want you to recognize how much you've been an obstructive force to this game

I'm dogged on for not following orders like a dog

I have no shame other than my misconception of mastinas play

What are the reasons for me being scum?

I bet you can't find good ones from any individual

Don't let mathblade continue to play deputy

I'd like others to start suggesting shots not just me, cause shouldn't i have partners? Another thing nobody had to say about

Like i want town to win even without me

If im shot or limmed or whatever the fuck

Then i want to know where people will go next

This is all explicitly VT
Wish I would've actually posted my thoughts at the time but I was reading while doing other stuff
Just blegh

Do you think the VT claims are town?

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Furtive and ydrasse claimed VT i think

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Who do you want to lim, Enchant?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Need to prod dodge because World Cup + work has me dead

some cursory thoughts are that RR seems very unlikely to be Lunar with MMR, so theyre probably town. Toog said something earlier that makes him a bit townie

I think I’d be ok with wagons furtive or Enchant

Klick, do you think there’s recruitment in this game?

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people just pushing their one top scumread is making is hard for me to get more townreads, since either faction can do that. We should probably be teamsolving? I’ll try to flesh out a readslist tomorrow - if nothing else, it can help track who cannot be which faction

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I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum

What do you think of 4898?

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UNVOTE:

I think I could have possibly been wrong on Scarf. Their attempt to solve me looks genuine.

Sorry I'm behind but what made you change your mind on Scarf?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The question we need to ask, then, is whether a SECOND factional ability was used by the Lunars on PPF Night 1. And that, specifically, is what I'd like to hear opinions on.

Yes to a second factional ability

T-bone claimed someone tried to burn him -- I'm inclined to believe him and that this was a solar factional action

Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this

Assuming Lunar can't act during Noon, this implies Solar had two actions. It's possible (1) Meuh was killed and (2) TBone was burned, which'd be 2 factional abilities

And ik you asked about Lunar, but if Solar can have 2 as abilities, Lunar can too

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I'm done. If you're going to intentionally misread a role and then get upset at the rest of us for not agreeing to misread it in the same way you are then you have to be scum upset they were caught. That you cannot even fathom while people would read it the correct way is beyond my comprehension. It's incredibly frustrating to deal with. I would understand if you were arguing that "I'm town so they must have been lying" but trying to quote the role as evidence when the rest of us can clearly see what it says and interpret it differently (if not correctly) is just so frustrating.

Maybe you lack perspective and that's why you keep doing this I dunno, but I'm at the point where it just looks intentional.

VOTE: PPF

I think Nancy is not understanding the mech argument people are making against her slot, and she admits to struggling with mech. I don't actually think she's intentionally ignoring it

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Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this

Btw i asked mega what negative effect meant, if it included things like roleblocked and redirected and she wouldn't elaborate

Which makes me think negative effect refers to factional abilities

[Cat Scratch Fever]

5135 isn't too unreasonable after the unwnd flip and with mastina and math as two town reads of mine

VOTE: Enchant

Anyone opposed to this?

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I'll be around for a bit to read some isos if anyone wants to talk

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Math is ignoring pretty much everything I’ve been saying like both me and Titus knew he was planning to vig us, so unless Math thinks that Solar doesn’t have a factional killing ability, why would scum!us not kill him? You can think we’re scum all you like but actually thinking we’re complete idiots here is beyond insulting.

yeah I think this is a decent point worth talking about?

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Looking at Enchant's ISO, if he's scum, it's probably Lunar

- Bad reaction to MMR yDay - the post below in particular doesn't make sense bc MMR was in a 1v1 with both PPF (with the "no result" guilty) and mastina (with the "informed" part of their role), so that knot needed to be resolved

I think we should keep both Mastina and MMR alive tbh.

- also probably not Solar since he didn't hammer Rat (the claimed burn healer whatever) day 1, and with his meta, he can get away with hammering that... unless he is Solar scum with Rat, but I'm currently thinking Rat is town

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No strong opinions on Ydrasse - vibes are mildly towny

One hangup I have about her is that she seems checked out of the game based on posting frequency and the attitude she's taken towards this game, but then she'll write a post indicating that she has good awareness of people's reads, suggesting she's been following along this whole time (4935)

Nothing to rule out as either Lunar or Solar either

DDS, was there more to your townread on Ydrasse apart from the Save the Dragons metaread?

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If we're going for Solar, then Enchant's probably not the right play

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It’s an or. The first half of the OR doesn’t have to happen or

could happen on the first night

since CSF said her weapon is stuck.

btw - no, it couldn't have happened on the first night, because Yume didn't get a watch result on the first night

I asked Meg specifically about this

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Here, it clearly states that CSF can determine kill or neg utility during the noon phase, which means Solar has a killing ability.

CSF can clarify but nothing in this remotely supports your theory Math.

No, it meant one or the other happened but I don't know which

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If the theory is true that ppl with Night actions = Lunar attunement and ppl with Noon actions = Solar attunment, then I literally can't be Solar since I can only act Nights

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If the theory is true that ppl with Night actions = Lunar attunement and ppl with Noon actions = Solar attunment, then I literally can't be Solar since I can only act Nights

I mean if you're solar you could also just be making your whole claim up though?

That's true, but then Yume would have planned this ahead of time, since she claimed a Night action pretty early on I think

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I think the theory is *generally* true but not *absolutely* true for town. Mine is more mechanically *lunar* but I am solar aligned.

How is it more Lunar aligned? I thought you could vig either Day 2 or Dusk 2

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Anyway I've finished furtive's day 1 and 2 posts.

Spoiler: Scummy post

Voting Mastina because they seem more defensive than last game, and their role sounds too useless to be real. And I want us to get past Mastina/unwnd clogging the game up
VOTE: Mastina

Btw this reasoning is pretty damn obviously faked.

It's transparently voting me because he sees the potential for the wagon to go through.

It's not a real stance.

To borrow unwnd's words:
It's a hollow post.

Here's my options for voting: My two biggest townreads (MMR and PPF), Scarf (meh) and I didn't like any of them. I'm fed up of the thread being spammed up (mostly by unwnd more than you really) but I don't want to vote unwnd so it's gonna be you. Also your play this game is different to the cafe. You were posting more about other players in that game, this time it's more about defending yourself.

Also untrue

Biggest mastina apologists are MathBlade/PPF/Furtive (but he's pretending he wasn't)/Yume

But I think Yume is just being pocketed

As for this one, my read changed. I'm not trying to rewrite history, I never said I never townread Mastina. I opposed the vote on Mastina yesterday, and I think I made a mistake.

(1) I think the reasoning behind the mastina vote is a bit flimsy ("fed up with her spamming")

(2) Ctrl + f for mastina in furtive's ISO makes it quite clear that he was townreading mastina, 2030 is just one example... did he forget his townread on mastina?

Then his progression on MMR was also weird; there's basically no lead up to 4199.

Spoiler:

unwnd is obvious town, this is unashamed omgus ^

Sorry for heckling. I've reached the point where I think the only thing that will help the gamestate is eliminating mastina, and I think the game will get a lot more enjoyable after that happens (just because a lot of the spam is either by mastina or about her). I also think mastina is scum, because there won't be 2 Astrologers and I believe MMR more.

Just to be clear: does anyone think Mastina/MMR could both be their claimed roles? I don't.

I don't either. I'm inclined to believe mastina more because she gave more info, was consistent about it, and did it first, but there's no way both of their roles exist as claimed.

Ok but why would MMR, as scum, fakeclaim the same role as someone else, forcing them into a 1v1? Surely they would claim a different role?

Mastina, DDS, Ydrasse, Firebringer, T-Bone. At least 3 in there.

I feel bad for Rubella wow. This content is not good enough, not even close, from a player who seems to be in conflict with 2 other players. I just want to move the game past this now.

VOTE: MMR

'This content is not good enough, not even close, from a player who seems to be in conflict with 2 other players.' -- MMR's posting was very meh the entire day, so for that to suddenly make a difference enough to vote MMR is hard to understand.

One thing is that he's been consistently pushing quieter slots and tr'ing the active ones basically all game, which is where my reads are ending up right now, but it's also easier for scum to just push slots that are less active.

Some minor things lead me to think furtive is more likely to flip Solar than Lunar (the vote on MMR feels weird for a bus, and furtive was kinda pushing DDS on day 1), but tbh I can also see MMR telling his buddies to bus him after that disaster claim

tl;dr I could compromise on furtive

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Math if you want Solar, you want to go there instead?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: furtive

[Cat Scratch Fever]

My preference is finally resolving Mastina/meuh tbh. But absent that Toog is my gut instinct.

Why does mastina slot need to be resolved?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever
Hi cat, how u doing?

What's up FB? Have you been reading along?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever
Hi cat, how u doing?

What's up FB? Have you been reading along?

Not much, just about to heat up some thanksgiving leftovers.
Ive only been following along since i replaced in. Not gonna read prior to that.

Where u and ur head at right now?

Idk I don't have much confidence in my reads. There's like 5 people who are checked out of the game that it makes it difficult to say with confidence if they're town or scum. I'd guess furtive - whose reason for voting mastina yesterday seemed like bs - and Enchant since Enchant is not that bad at mech and should have known to resolve MMR

Scarf's 5263 pings me the wrong way - he states a good reason to vote furtive but then doesn't?

T-Bone's mastina scumread and sudden change on PPF is interesting. I probably still wouldn't lim there today, because Rat and T-Bone are basically verifying each other's claims, but something to think about

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My preference is finally resolving Mastina/meuh tbh. But absent that Toog is my gut instinct.

Why does mastina slot need to be resolved?

Because it is still the scummiest slot in the game and meuh hasn't done anything for me that would change it. I want meuh eliminated because I think meuh inherited a scum slot.

I'm claiming to have seen someone (likely Scum) target Meuh last night. Does that change the read?

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Do you think I should be town reading you here? Why?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Do you think I should be town reading you here? Why?

The way I see myself, to put it slightly metaphorically:

In the typical game of mafia, Mafia play a certain way i.e. avoiding attention and pocketing Town. I am doing the opposite, pushing several slots quite openly and making enemies as a result. Therefore you should be seeing me as the Example Town, with more passive slots who are doing less pushing taking the place of the Example Mafia.

I don't think this is that clearing! I see scenarios where slots like Toog and Ydrasse are just checked out town. Toog in particular said something about not knowing his attunement that made me think he was actually VT. I'm not going to bank on that read or anything, but I have doubts about it + Toog is never a particularly active player

That said, I don't mind switching back to Enchant. I'd rather play with people who are at least posting

VOTE: Enchant

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Ydrasse, what do you think of Enchant this game?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'll be honest I don't know what your slot can and cannot do.

Spoiler: Some posts that might explain it

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

I cannot guarantee that it was scum that targeted her. albeit I agree it was likely scum, since I don’t see why town would mess with a claimed invest

Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this

Btw i asked mega what negative effect meant, if it included things like roleblocked and redirected and she wouldn't elaborate

Which makes me think negative effect refers to factional abilities

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ydrasse, what do you think of Enchant this game?

lightly town with no confidence in my ability to read him anymore

What's contributed to the loss of confidence?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'll be honest I don't know what your slot can and cannot do.

Spoiler: Some posts that might explain it

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

I cannot guarantee that it was scum that targeted her. albeit I agree it was likely scum, since I don’t see why town would mess with a claimed invest

Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this

Btw i asked mega what negative effect meant, if it included things like roleblocked and redirected and she wouldn't elaborate

Which makes me think negative effect refers to factional abilities

Thanks.

I know that speaking for someone else is difficult, but do you have any idea why your predecessor claimed their role only worked on meuh's slot and another slot that was either PPF or Math (I forget which)?

My role only gets meaningful results if I use it on NK targets/people who are threats to Scum in general, so Yume might've thought mastina was a candidate for the NK N1. I think Yume has a very high opinion of mastina's play in general.

Math was also very town and claimed a day vig on Dusk 2, and thus was also a strong NK candidate.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

We only have 24 hours on the clock. People should drop a vote if they're not already voting. I'm willing to put my vote back on furtive

[Cat Scratch Fever]

UNOFFICIAL VC

Furtiveglance (4) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Meuh, Ydrasse, Radical Rat [E-3]

Enchant (3) Furtiveglance, Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever,

Toogeloo (1) Scarfmanship

Cat Scratch Fever (1) Firebringer

Not Voting (4) Past Present Future, Enchant, Mathblade, T-Bone

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

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I’m feeling lazy
VOTE: Enchant

Was feeling could get engaged talking to cat.
Didn’t happen

Sorry! What can I do to help you think?

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VOTE: furtive

This is E-1

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I don’t understand the reasoning for the wagons but I agree with Fire that furtive’s likely town here.

Why is he likely town?

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Can I interest you in Enchant then? Kind of running out of time

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Site ate my post...?

Sometimes using the browser back button will recover it btw

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^

Which reads of mathblade's do you disagree with?

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And furtive probably flips town and this game is in the toilet.

If you felt strongly about this, why didn't you speak up earlier?

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I’m seriously trying to figure that out and it’s driving me nuts that I don’t know that. You can believe that or not but that’s why I was asking. I don’t understand the reasoning for the wagons but I agree with Fire that furtive’s likely town here.

@CSF I did say that.

yeah I mean, the furtive wagon had been a thing for days now. I think this post came rather late?

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I'm just going to wait patiently for MegA to give us a flip

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I don't have any info to share from my role. So no one targeted my target last night

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Welcome back prof

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You think Bella is scum here again?

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Based on who I think is town, it’s possible. My theory is that there has to be scum in the jumpers because they knew MMR was flipping scum.

Who specifically?

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The yes MMR line is sarcastic

Well technically, unwnd was killed

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cat scratch, u owe me 2 scratches.
One - u didn't motivate me yesterday. all ur fault.
Two - because u voted wrong and therefore are now my sheep.

u may have never agreed to be my sheep, but if u are town u will immediately understand how i am right and deserved to be sheeped.
Pls join me to victory.

But you're voting meuh? Why is meuh scum?

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Literally all the time fb, have we ever been the same faction in a game before?

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I probably won't vote meuh tbh. She was targeted during Noon, so she's probably not Solar, and then she can act on Noons, and I'm currently thinking that means she can't be Lunar.

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Though I dunno why meuh thinks we're losing? Are we all assuming recruits?

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Nancy, who's scum?

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cat scratch blink once for if ur teamed with meuh and twice if ur not with meuh

blinks rapidly

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I probably won't vote meuh tbh. She was targeted during Noon, so she's probably not Solar, and then she can act on Noons, and I'm currently thinking that means she can't be Lunar.

Second premise I already suggested yesterday doesn’t hold.

I acted at Dusk but am blessed by Sun God.

The first premise I don’t believe?

I am assuming recruits yes.

You should believe the first!! Fair to the second

However, if we're unable to cross off people as either not Lunar or not Solar based off of might actions alone, then... Is it just me or does town have so little power?

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Nancy, who's scum?

I think it could be Dangle? Idk but looking at both wagons, their votes on both furtive and MMR could make sense?

What do you think?

Wasn't feeling it earlier because Bella felt less manipulative this game than she did as scum. I need to review who else they were pushing yesterday

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You'd probably lim me before meuh if it came down to that bc of my role

Although I will say that I'm the towniest cat in the cosmic universe

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Incorrect bruh

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How does ydrasse do it indeed I am jealous

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VOTE: Meuh

This is probably what I'll do today

Why? I thought you were town reading mastina

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VOTE: Meuh if CSF is true I feel Meuh has to be converted.

What's the evidence for this? Day play wise

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VOTE: Meuh if CSF is true I feel Meuh has to be converted.

What's the evidence for this? Day play wise

Meuh has been very quiet despite the TRs and not doing anything despite being vocal before.

It’s a noted shift.

Vocal compared to yesterDay? I don't remember her being that vocal then either, and today has just started.

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are we certain right now that cults can recruit or not?

no. In fact, MegA said that this game has "minimum" bastard elements in the Large Theme Queue, and I feel like alignment changes are very significant. If there are alignment changes, I'd assume it's heavily gated. This is just speculation on my part, but I'd personally be annoyed if there were significant, unannounced cult recruiting abilities.

but I also don't have anything to explain why there are no deaths. I hate that the factional abilities are redacted, because it feels like we're running around like headless chickens, presupposing on what the mech

could

be without knowing what it actually is

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She was vocal about her reads list. She came in loud intentionally on Dusk with info. There’s been a steady decrease in activity. I might have the day wrong as it blurs, but it’s noticable

She gave a readslist when you asked her for it... I wouldn't call that vocal

Idk she had info to give and had to explain her result, that's not the same as being vocal

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VOTE: DDS come talk to me!

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wait, who here is theorizing that scum can't kill? Shouldn't you all be, like, suss of PPF's claim then? Anti-town to get limmed, pro-town to get NK'd?

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Did anyone die at night?

VOTE: PPF

With prof claiming astral ghost I really don’t see a PPF town world here

@Math, yeah I see that. Tbh I think it'd really benefit you if you explained your thoughts more, because I didn't put that together until now.

I'd vote PPF over Meuh. The "negative effect" could refer to recruitment... but Meuh was not recruited. Think about what I'm implying.

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*the negative effect part of my ability

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VOTE: PPF

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JunkoChan prinzessin der verurteilung, yours trully, obvtown for reading this shitshow

town pile
Radical Rat
Mathblade
T-Bone
Meuh
Professotic
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scum/null pile
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Past Present Future
Enchant
Firebringer
Toogeloo
Ydrasse

I agree with this

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Ppf why was it scummy of scarf to push for your lim? He pushed you on both dawn and dusk... only 1 given scum team wants to lim you on any given phase; his consistent tunnel on you rings more town than scum

i'll vote anyone in the null/scums 5916

UNVOTE:

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Ppf why was it scummy of scarf to push for your lim? He pushed you on both dawn and dusk... only 1 given scum team wants to lim you on any given phase; his consistent tunnel on you rings more town than scum

i'll vote anyone in the null/scums 5916

UNVOTE:

how is dingle dangle or ydrasse scum here.

Why is ydrasse town? Is there any reason for her to be out of the poe

Dingle feels low effort from both heads and lack of presence dawn 2 (day 2) during the MMR guilty

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Ppf why was it scummy of scarf to push for your lim? He pushed you on both dawn and dusk... only 1 given scum team wants to lim you on any given phase; his consistent tunnel on you rings more town than scum

i'll vote anyone in the null/scums 5916

UNVOTE:

Nancy feels the same. I don't. I felt some of Scarf's posts were walking back his SR and leaving wiggle room.

~Titus

It was definitely Nancy pushing scarf, you've barely been present in the game

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I did check and I was apparently very wrong about this. I apologize for that, but everything else I've said still stands, and it's kind of a package deal so I don't think it's worth switching over

Your case kind of just boils down to DDS and Math are traitors because MMR made a WIFOM-y post about traitors though

Unless I'm missing something?

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one of meuh/ppf
Enchant likely.

For possible people converted i would think T-Bone would be high up there as people I would convert if cult.

Not gonna say Enchant can’t be a wolf but I don’t see it.

Lazy Read IMO.
Why do you wolf read Enchant exactly?

He's not even playing the game

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Actually thinking about MMR's traitor post some more, that does suggest the Lunar scum started out with a small team with no recruitment, maybe?

might be worth looking into who first mentioned traitors

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I think likely recruit targets are like... T-Bone, Scarf, CSF (specifically after CSF replaced in), MathBlade, maybe Meuh?

don't recruit me, I'm dead weight as scum, thanks in advance!

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The biggest reason PPF is a townread for me is because they're devoting a really big portion of their efforts in this game into being toxic towards MathBlade instead of doing things that would make them look town to others. But I suppose if they're mostly self-aligned to start with, them being scum here is plausible? But more importantly, with professotic not being janitored, MMR actually having a guilty is a lot more likely to be the explanation for their behaviour on D2.

I think their scumread on Scarf was at odds with their claim

Scarf was fairly vocal about limming them on both Dawn and Dusk phases - which feels more town indicative than scum indicative

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@CSF explain this please. You’re arguing thar my reads should be claime based eventhough you know I pretty much suck at mech?

The mech around guilty was annoyingly difficult to explain to multiple people and it took me a while to understand it as well

Whereas how your role works and how people will play around it is more straightforward

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I'm going to posit that our slot is a VERY unlikely recruit target due to constantly being rather low in the thread's consensus reads and neither of us being renowned for an especially strong scum game, on top of being confirmed to not be Solar.

Did someone accuse you of being convert i missed

Otherwise what this for

Many people are positing there are cults because of the lack of NKs

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But why wouldn’t I hard sr Scarf when pretty much every damned thing he posted pinged my scumdar off the freaking charts, like the furtive progression, which I already mehtioned and other things. Why would you expect me to just ignore any of that?

I make reads primarily on play and Scarf’s was uberscummy, Junko’s however is not, so I’m reacessing that now.

Can you remind me what was wrong with his furtive progression?

To me, your scumread on Scarf looked like it was bc he was scumreading you. Which is not scummy, per se, since you do OMGUS as town. But now I'm wondering if you're only doing it as scum because you're trying to imitate what you do as town and not thinking about Scarf's action are actually not scummy.

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This is the first time I'm learning about your Junko townread (I even ctrl+f'd junko in your ISO this time). What changed your mind there?

And that's not an explanation of how furtive's progression was scummy, you mean he was waffly?

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** And that's not an explanation of how scarf's progression on furtive was scummy, you mean he was waffly?

fixed wording, it's late

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I'm pretty confident Professor is caught scum. Can't explain his scumslip away, and resorts to insults and threats to deflect from it.

Doesn't 6148 explain it?

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6084 and 6139 make it more clear he was talking about mmr's post

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Poor reading comprehension does seem to plague this game, but that doesn't make someone scum

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Why those targets? @DDS

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Why those targets? @DDS

Townreads that we thought might get targeted those nights

Right but why did you think those targets were likely to be targeted? I think one or two of them claimed VT

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I'm just trying to think... What is the purpose of a role like that? It has to be used on someone who won't die through the night, because the target needs to be alive to report watch results

The target also can't be recruited, because otherwise they'd just lie about their results

What other things can happen to people overnight? It can be used to verify claims and that's about it... And then only useful if someone announces their target ahead of time

What do you think, DDS?

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they'll be told no one targeted them

so at least I should have this and I don't

How do y know someone (besides DDS) targeted you?

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DDS claimed to have targeted tbone night 1 - an that the action only works in the same phase - so DDS couldn't be responsible for the message tbone received during Noon 1, assuming their claim is true

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If no one else targets them, they'll be told no one targeted them

Everyone should get a message, regardless of if they've actually been targeted by anyone other than DDS or not.

Oh, thanks - ignore 6291 then

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One way to verify DDS role is to have them use it on PPF since meuh will be on PPF

Verifying their role doesn't make them town though, and I'm still struggling to see the intended use of their role

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One way to verify DDS role is to have them use it on PPF since meuh will be on PPF

Verifying their role doesn't make them town though, and I'm still struggling to see the intended use of their role

This is why I've said my role doesn't feel that strong! I don't really know what we're meant to do with it

I've been trying to target people that I think are strongly town, not the most likely NK target, and could potentially be targeted
In theory a self-watch is strong-ish but not when someone else gets the info

Fwiw your illuminator role synergizes with mine, since I'm a role watcher, but like how do we synergize without broadcasting our shared target to the entire thread

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Btw, i said for DDS to target PPF also because PPF is unlikely to be Lunar and DDS can only be Lunar if scum

meuh would also be a good target, a PR but weak and scumread enough to not be killed/recruited

DDS, if you're telling the truth and you're town, your role suggests delayed kills instead of recruitment

Or mega gave you a useless role idk lmao. I would appreciate math's input here

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I kind of believe DDS's role. We know T-Bone was "burned" and weren't sure what that meant. It makes sense for that to be a delayed kill a la Arsonist instead of recruitment.

I just want to kill Enchant, Ydrasse, or the empty Toog/Porkens slot

VOTE: Enchant

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Read from the beginning, it'll make more sense that way. Or just 6296 if you want the cliff notes but I think it's worth reading from the beginning

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okay I'll bite

Why is it bs?

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I received the failed burn message on Noon 1 to be clear. I didn't receive a message at any other point.

Unless burner is literal ninja, T-Bone should had received two messages

One that they got burned
And second is message telling WHO did that

DDS is claiming to have targeted tbone over night 1, not noon 1

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I think DDS being a liar should go first.

Depending upon DDS’s flip hopefully I can vig TBone.

why are they tied together?

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And DDS didn’t target Meuh or me or someone else because…..?

You know what?

Bella suggested targeting you on both Night 1 and Noon 1. I hard vetoed it.

You know why?

Because despite townreading you and thinking you're an unlikely NK, I do not at all trust what you would do with any mech info you are given.

And not Yume/Mastina because…?

Yume for same reasons as you until she replaced out, and then I thought CSF was likely to die
I'm not positive that mastina is town

So? Then if Yume/CSF got different answers you catch them?

Like this doesn’t add up.

How would DDS know mastina/me aren't lying... DDS doesn't get the watch result

Note that DDS is claiming to act during both Noon and Night. Every other role we know of that acts during the Night/Noon phases acts during ONE of them. The only exceptions we've seen are Math, who acts during the "day," and MMR/PPF who were both passive.

And this is why I have been incredibly skeptical of mastina's role claim!

Okay but I only act at Noon, and CSF only acts at Night, even though her action remains "active" through the Noon. Add Meuh only acting at Noon and that's at Least three players all matching the idea that PRs act during only one phase, and only you deviating.

Math can act during both dawn and dusk I think

Math and DDS are both "blessed" so I can see it

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I've been confused this game by the shitty claimed roles we have had, specifically why we don't have good investigative claims on the board

DDS's role + delayed kills in this game would quite possibly mean DDS' role the strongest we have. At the very least, I do not understand why we can't try to have them confirm their role. If we're wrong about DDS and they flip town, I think it'd be difficult to come back from.

If you're adamant about Scum!DDS, try to find their partners at least

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Didn't mastina say she couldn't target you or Math? Or did I hallucinate that

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I'm in the cult of town. The pt sucks, it's already 250+ pages long

and mastina did say she can't target either Math or DDS in 3032

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Would you like to join my budding Enchant wagon, FB?

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Yes she said that
That's why I'm saying maybe this role was always going to get Blessed so that it didn't get targeted by mastina's role

I agree, i think that's the likely explanation

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Uhh i thought tictac was kind of townie for him. Would like to see him post more though

Prof what do you think about the DDS claim?

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I've been confused this game by the shitty claimed roles we have had, specifically why we don't have good investigative claims on the board

DDS's role + delayed kills in this game would quite possibly mean DDS' role the strongest we have. At the very least, I do not understand why we can't try to have them confirm their role. If we're wrong about DDS and they flip town, I think it'd be difficult to come back from.

If you're adamant about Scum!DDS, try to find their partners at least

I would also like some opinions on this post!

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Ydrasse why are you voting meuh?

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Enchant wagon?

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Rat's push does seem like clinging onto a possibility instead of trying to figure out what is probable. I'm just unsure how they are scum without tbone, who i think is town. If they're indeed scum who is healing town for the cred, then they are a problem for a later day. I suppose they could both be scum doing a hail Mary play, but that feels very eh

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I'm not sure. He doesn't feel that scummy to me.
...but I'm now remembering that I said almost this exact sentence before in another game where Enchant was scum
I'll consider it

Who else are you considering?

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VOTE: PPF

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We have several people not voting and less than 24 hours. I feel like there's this lack of urgency on everyone's part to form meaningful wagons. Meuh wagon hasn't gone anywhere and isn't going anywhere

I'd lim the empty toog slot, ydrasse, PPF, or even DDS if push came to shove at this point since they're not even voting when they're the most likely lim today

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Actually

VOTE: DDS

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I'm not convinced they are either. That wagon is especially sticky, and no one has engaged with my points there

Toog also didn't know his attunement and claimed VT at some point, if you're considering that a real town slip

@Meg

shouldn't deadline be paused because we're waiting on a replacement?

UNVOTE:

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I'm not convinced they are either. That wagon is especially sticky, and no one has engaged with my points there

Toog also didn't know his attunement and claimed VT at some point, if you're considering that a real town slip

@Meg

shouldn't deadline be paused because we're waiting on a replacement?

UNVOTE:

I think slip is the wrong word. This situation that I believe Enchant for happened in real time. We've since learned later that attunement isn't mentioned in anyone's PM as far as I'm aware.

Yeah that's valid

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Actually

VOTE: DDS

The only thing I wonder is that their role sounds kind of similar to yours but I honestly don’t know.

Their role works very differently from mine since I'm only a role watcher

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@Meg shouldn't deadline be paused because we're waiting on a replacement?

@mod

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Actually

VOTE: DDS

The only thing I wonder is that their role sounds kind of similar to yours but I honestly don’t know.

Their role works very differently from mine since I'm only a role watcher

Well you both can check if someone has been targeted and they can do it both nights or am I misunderstanding this?

I can check whether someone was targeted with a negative role but i don't know who visited them

DDS can check who actually targeted someone

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Basically DDS and I have very different roles and that shouldn't be a reason to vote DDS

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I can’t tell with Ydrasse but the way MMR over the top white knighted STD seems odd if they’re buddies and the arguing with FA doesn’t look partnery, so it has to amongst those three, I think.

They can still be scum on the other faction

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VOTE: ydrasse

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Most people are just voting who they think are scum. I think only prof and maybe math are doing team hunting

But in the case of DDS, it's kind of duh, they can only be Lunar. T-bone was claiming burned so it doesn't really make sense for them to be solar either.

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Ydrasse wagon?

Also only PPF isn't voting. And well, porkens

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Ydrasse wagon?

Also only PPF isn't voting. And well, porkens

THis cat worries me with each successive day

Hmm why?

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particularly the overlap with CSF's Watcher-type role,

I also see zero conflict with CSF's role

There's not an issue with more than one 'watcher'-type effects being in the game

The actual effect of my role is very easily confirmable if that's something that people want

You both perform the same basic function of determining if something happened to a target. Your claim is more powerful, but it's still peculiar to me that multiple roles would serve the same utility simultaneously.

If CSF only worked at Night and you only worked at Noon, or vice versa, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But CSF is claiming to set a target during Night and receive results until next Night. And you're claiming to actively choose a target and send results for both Night and Noon. It pushes the claims from being complementary to contradictory in my mind.

I think the idea that there can't be two roles that watch is absurd, especially when my role doesn't even tell me *who* the culprit is

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okay im going to pretend this is a sc2mafia game for a moment:

yall bad.
Sheep me to victory.
Vote CSF, votes on Meuh are also acceptable.
Do this we win, ggnore.

No counter arguments are accepted at this time.

Why am I scum?

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okay im going to pretend this is a sc2mafia game for a moment:

yall bad.
Sheep me to victory.
Vote CSF, votes on Meuh are also acceptable.
Do this we win, ggnore.

No counter arguments are accepted at this time.

I hear you and keep it in mind re CSF.

Keep in mind what exactly, he hasn’t explained why he scumreads me

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That’s quite suspicious of him, in fact. But I want to hear why he thinks I’m scummy

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okay im going to pretend this is a sc2mafia game for a moment:

yall bad.
Sheep me to victory.
Vote CSF, votes on Meuh are also acceptable.
Do this we win, ggnore.

No counter arguments are accepted at this time.

Why am I scum?

Vibes, defending meuh. Think u 2 def are aligned.
Woudl rather flip Meuh first but ur going first to prove how right i am.

Your reason for scumreading Meuh is kind of weak, that post that vibed you the wrong way felt fine to me

And I have mech related info to think she’s not Solar. Mastina’s push on mmr also make me think she’s not lunar

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We never been same alignment cat.
So the better question for u is, why aren't u voting me?

I would if more people are interested because I don’t want a DDS lim

But it’s not because “we’ve never been the same alignment”, that’s a silly reason for voting for someone. I think you’re scumreading me for poor reasons

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I think we're losing rn? So that's a fun situation to come back to
I wonder about the lack of death, though

This post made my scum alarms break

This one

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Fire, I’ll be honest if you have a residual scumread on Mastina, then I don’t remember the details about it because that’s before I replaced in. But I don’t agree with 5540

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We never been same alignment cat.
So the better question for u is, why aren't u voting me?

I would if more people are interested because I don’t want a DDS lim

But it’s not because “we’ve never been the same alignment”, that’s a silly reason for voting for someone. I think you’re scumreading me for poor reasons

Why does interest here matter if im scum?
I don't like ur defense of meuh. Its all sounds poor reasoned mech and i have strong gameplay reasons meuh is scum.

I think ur using mech to hide from scumhunting.

Interest does matter, you’re far from the only scum, and I want to save DDS, so I can’t just sit here in a corner and ignore everyone else

Only half of my reason for my meuh tr is mech, the other half is mmr associatives. My role result also does matter, because it’s one of the few nuggets of info I have that’s useful to us. Someone tried to target her with a negative effect or kill during Noon

It doesn’t really feel like you’re arguing in good faith here

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Fire, I’ll be honest if you have a residual scumread on Mastina, then I don’t remember the details about it because that’s before I replaced in. But I don’t agree with 5540

How about Meuh not stating one fricking opinion on my slot.
U know, cause if im town in meuh shoes the first thing i do is look at the people pushing me see where they are coming from. Meuh has done that 0 times.

I think she’s had you as scum since yesterDay though?

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This isn't hard or rocket science and I want a townreasons u think Meuh is town. Not this mech stuff. What from Meuh in their posts that u see is town mindset. Where is it? What am I ignoring? What makes u so conf ur like 'no fire is wrong' when i had scumread on mastina, i had doubts because of replace out but decided that it was neutral given the context of situation. And I am not wrong on mastina ever.

Meuh actions have not once indicated town, and lack of action or response on me. Doens't inspire confidence. Even a dismissive 'ohh wrong town' would do something to make me think Meuh is examining me.

What about her stance on tbone & professor? That felt like someone trying to parse a messy conversation and solve

Her trajectory on me also seemed like it was coming from an uninformed perspective (she had me as possible solar and then came around to me as town), though that’s a minor point

Tbh I don’t feel like Mastina was playing the same game as Not Quite Normal Multiball II, where she was Mafia with me and her posts felt empty, but that’s a very minor point

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What do you think my goal here wrt DDS is? You don’t like that wagon either

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>_>

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UNOFFICIAL VC

Ydrasse (4) Meuh, Cat Scratch Fever, Professotic, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow [E-3]

Meuh (2) Ydrasse, Enchant
Professotic (2) Junkochan, T-Bone

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Radical Rat
Cat Scratch Fever (1) Firebringer

Not Voting (3): Porkens, Mathblade, Past Present Future,

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: 1 day*
*Deadline Frozen for Porkens Replacement

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So let's tally, who is still open as potential Lunar

8 Enchant
15Save the Dragons Ydrasse
16 T-Bone

...oh shit

this + you is basically my Lunar PoE, although Ydrasse can be either faction I think

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yeah but see, ur the one and CSF who both say you want me limmed and that there is unwillingness to lim me, yet when DDs votes me ur still not voting me. I find that weird given how everyone says im scum ur noting that its a thing. U think im scum and everyone is unwilling to push me. I really don't see anyone calling me town outside math i guess and tbone here. I guess PPF? Which don't get me started on that i have not even examined their read on me a bit.

why is this an important point? You're in my PoE but the Ydrasse wagon has real traction and momentum

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@Dangle, who do you think are MMRs buddies, because I’ve been pouring over their ISO as well as the VCs and I still can’t figure it out but what I do know is that since people are wrongly sr me, I know I’m probably not long for this game, so absolutely nothing would make me happier than limming one of their buddies, so if it’s not you, then please help me to do that. If my fate is to either to ultimately get either miselimed, misvigged or less likely nk’d, I’d feel less bummed about it if I took out scum on my way out.

Tbh you're unlikely to be Lunar imo so if you want to be townread, you should be hunting for Solar. That's the primary reason I don't townread you - I don't see you pushing that much, and your primary push lately has been DDS, who can't be Solar

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@Dangle, who do you think are MMRs buddies, because I’ve been pouring over their ISO as well as the VCs and I still can’t figure it out but what I do know is that since people are wrongly sr me, I know I’m probably not long for this game, so absolutely nothing would make me happier than limming one of their buddies, so if it’s not you, then please help me to do that. If my fate is to either to ultimately get either miselimed, misvigged or less likely nk’d, I’d feel less bummed about it if I took out scum on my way out.

Tbh you're unlikely to be Lunar imo so if you want to be townread, you should be hunting for Solar. That's the primary reason I don't townread you - I don't see you pushing that much, and your primary push lately has been DDS, who can't be Solar

Okay, you have a valid point but we have only had one scum flipped so far and that was a Lunar. My primary method of scum hunting is either NKA ot VCA and there has been no night kills and I can’t get much use out of VCA without a scumflip. If you have any better ideas as what you think I can do more to also find Solars, then please tell me.

I think people who are unlikely partners with MMR but are still scummy = more likely to be solar

What do you think of fb?

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Actually why

I stay on Meuh

But why

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@Dangle, who do you think are MMRs buddies, because I’ve been pouring over their ISO as well as the VCs and I still can’t figure it out but what I do know is that since people are wrongly sr me, I know I’m probably not long for this game, so absolutely nothing would make me happier than limming one of their buddies, so if it’s not you, then please help me to do that. If my fate is to either to ultimately get either miselimed, misvigged or less likely nk’d, I’d feel less bummed about it if I took out scum on my way out.

Tbh you're unlikely to be Lunar imo so if you want to be townread, you should be hunting for Solar. That's the primary reason I don't townread you - I don't see you pushing that much, and your primary push lately has been DDS, who can't be Solar

Assuming PPF is Town, why would they care which scum they're pushing? Prioritizing appearances over taking whatever scum you can find is Not what I would consider to be a Town mindset.

Nancy cares a lot about being town read and it isn't scum indicative at all for her. My fears about her slot would be diminished if she had scumreads on people would could be solar

To be clear, i think she should try to find solar but still push whatever scum can get pushed through today. I'm not picky which scum gets pushed through today

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@Ydrasse, vote Professor and I'll give you treats

Why is professor scum again? I really think that slot is town

VOTE: firebringer

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@T-Bone

I’m giving you a chance.
You can vote the Porkens slot that can be Solar here.


Or

You can vote me out, a town.


And I’ll leave a legacy and force town to execute Dingle or Ydrass tomorrow and your Lunar Team loses cause you voted me out.

What about firebringer?

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I’d consider voting Fire but I liked FA’s posting. What do you think of FA’s posting?

I think her posting made her probably not lunar since she pushed MMR a lot

The conversation i had with firebringer earlier was bizarre, and i didn't think he was sorting me in good faith. the things that he was concerned about also felt nitpicky

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I’d consider voting Fire but I liked FA’s posting. What do you think of FA’s posting?

I think her posting made her probably not lunar since she pushed MMR a lot

The conversation i had with firebringer earlier was bizarre, and i didn't think he was sorting me in good faith. the things that he was concerned about also felt nitpicky

I also think the confidence he has in ydrasse and DDS town is weird

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@T-Bone

I’m giving you a chance.
You can vote the Porkens slot that can be Solar here.


Or

You can vote me out, a town.


And I’ll leave a legacy and force town to execute Dingle or Ydrass tomorrow and your Lunar Team loses cause you voted me out.

Why do you think Ydrasse is scum? Weren’t you tr STD? The fact that CSF couldn’t even tell which faction she could possibly be aligned with made me not at all confident in voting her and considering Dangle who was previously tr her, suddenly voted her. How can you think they’re still aligned?

I meant that ydrasse can be either faction. There's nothing about her posting to rule her out as either faction

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I have a kill list. It's Maid Cafe, T-Bone, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Enchant mostly.

Why is Maid Cafe and T-Bone on the kill list?
I get the others but those two don't exactly seem that scummy based off what I've read.
-Rubella

Considering the efforts MMR made to not appear they needed to not look like they knew Dangle lim would vanilaize them, I’d say this spews both Maid and T-Bone unlikely Lunars.

More importantly....did MMR know about the blessing prior to it being revealed? This is not information we had as town as far as I'm aware. What?

Yes, they did 3003

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VOTE: CSF

I'll go for my own wagon, maybe we can make a full tie

??? Why

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That was at Junko.

I also gave Prof a chance to explain himself before I jumped into the deep end. He didn't adequately in my opinion because his first reaction was to pretend he didn't make the post. At that point I committed.

Do 6084 and 6085 not adequately explain?

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You will need to link or quote me on that. Well I looked at some Ydra games yesterday and her saying she wanted to die or something really confused me as to why she’d be doing that as town but if she really wanted to die, she wouldn’t be saying she’s a miselim and that wolves are voting her

I mean, does this make her townier or scummier?

and you say there’s been resistance to her wagon but whom? I think it would have been extremely easy for Ydra to go over today, you disagree?

Math & fire have been against a ydrasse wagon. DDS only voted ydrasse with great reluctance

And enchant didn't want to hop from meuh to ydrasse, for whatever reason

The wagon did not feel easy to me for a slot that hasn't done much

Though maybe part of the reason that every wagon is stalling is that we (or at least i) don't want to end the day with an empty Porkens slot, since i don't want to sit through another 5 day nightphase waiting for a replacement again

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That was at Junko.

I also gave Prof a chance to explain himself before I jumped into the deep end. He didn't adequately in my opinion because his first reaction was to pretend he didn't make the post. At that point I committed.

Do 6084 and 6085 not adequately explain?

I was commenting on Math saying I went at Prof fast when he said I would jump on him for going after a perceived scumslip. To contrast the speed I think I went vs the hypothetical speed Math would.go and I would jump on him.

I see

Still, i feel like those posts should allay your fears of a scumslip here

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VOTE: CSF

I'll go for my own wagon, maybe we can make a full tie

I just want something to die

Can I interest you in a firebringer vote?

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Though maybe part of the reason that every wagon is stalling is that we (or at least i) don't want to end the day with an empty Porkens slot, since i don't want to sit through another 5 day nightphase waiting for a replacement again

Thoughts on flipping that slot then?

If push comes to shove, i'm willing to vote any slot except for meuh, professor, math, and Junko

Toog wrote some townish posts for him but ultimately not wholly out of his scumrange

So yes, I'm willing to lim there simply because i worry we're losing interest (i kind of am), and there aren't enough players on this site to replace in anymore

@junko, i don't think I'm posting that much but fair ig

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If push comes to shove, i'm willing to vote any slot except for meuh, professor, math, and Junko

Oh and rat and maybe tbone are no gos for me

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VOTE: porkens

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Too fast to agree on porkens huh?

Why are you voting for meuh

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My mind hasn't changed. DDS, MathBlade, Ydrasse, Firebringer, PPF are all better targets, because, excepting Ydrasse, they've all actually done scummy things and have evidence pointing toward them, and, including Ydrasse, they're all actually here and able to defend themselves if they choose to. I HAVE been pushing for DDS, who I've made no secret of being my preference today.

I am willing to compromise. I am not willing to compromise on a slot that literally cannot play the game, UNLESS someone has an actual reason to suspect they're scum.

why didn't you vote ydrasse when she had 5 votes then?

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All right

I only ask you to think about how much your reads have changed in the last few days, if at all, and then think about what you think we should do.

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Scum are more invested.

I'm going to be a hipocryte here and ask you why you think that

Because the game is going on longer and longer without consensus. This means we don’t have a good townblock

despite my efforts to build it

. Players not listened too are more likely to go fuck it unless they have a reason not to.

I'll be honest, the bolded has completely gone over my head. Who were you trying to townblock with?

@Meuh - i'm still okay to lim Ydrasse right now I guess, but an extended night is super boring to me. If we have to wait for a replacement anyway, I'd rather do it when the thread is open, but I won't force this issue

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I think that's E-1

professor, Junko, tbone, me, Enchant, meuh

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The slot has been empty for 7 days. A modkill would be lovely if it means we get to lim someone else. Maybe if we all asked Meg nicely