Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[Titus]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

[Titus]

VOTE: Bell

[Titus]

Star clan = town
Dark forest = mafia

any other clan seems to be like a neighborhood

This.

I expect there to be 4 hoods of 5 players each and then me.

[Titus]

I could go for Charloux or Bell

[Titus]

I don't understand what the problem is. I saw him being the only one to post in the pt and was like "Is there anybody in the thread" to have fun.
Was going to keep playing dumb but i guess it's better not?

so you faked you posted in the neighborhood at start to mess with people head who can see you didn't post there? That kinda makes no sense

More likely that you confused PTs and posted elsewhere first instead and then started acting like you were messing with people in some way when called out?

VOTE: Charloux

That would imply no one else posted in the scum PT though which seems incredibly unlikely?

Kinda but not incredibly so

[Titus]

Star clan = town
Dark forest = mafia

any other clan seems to be like a neighborhood

This.

I expect there to be 4 hoods of 5 players each and then me.

what makes you expect that? why would it be an even distribution

Just makes sense. I can't see why it wouldn't.

[Titus]

bell you meantioned you derp on setups regularly as town

would you say you're self aware enough to fake this as scum potentially

I mean assuming he was scum I doubt he would answer that honestly FA

ALSO HI EVERYONE IT HAS BEEN A WHILE

Cookies!

[Titus]

@Titus: Can we take your 78 and your earlier reference to being a stray as a claim not to belong to any neighbourhood clan?

Yes.

(Edited stay to stray)

[Titus]

Yes.

What makes you think everyone besides you is in a clan?

I don't know it, but the numbers are smooth. 20 cats in 4 clans. One left over. my PM mentions no other stray either.

[Titus]

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

[Titus]

there's 1 stray and it's titus

How do you know there are

not

multiple strays?

titus confirmed it

even if you don't take her statement as explicit confirmation, 5 people have posted in our clan chat and there's no reason to think the numbers would be unbalanced

My statement is not explicit confirmation of even spread. It's just my belief.

[Titus]

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

[Titus]

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

Explain to everybody else then? You DO have multiple reasons, don't you?

If people want to know, I can. I don't take demands from scumreads.

[Titus]

I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

@Dann,

Let's break this down.
Arbitrary assumption regarding scum being left out. Neon sign of scum being left out of a clan.
Lack of telling me to shut up when I announced I was a stray + lack of objection with many hood claims already suggests no urgency to deny scum essential information from their alleged pov.
There was a total lack of pushback on my belief that I was the sole stray.

It's not enough to cry slip, but it's close.

[Titus]

oh nvm I understand what you're saying now titus

I don't really agree still

I don't think scum is more likely to want to obfuscate that information if it were true than bandy it about as a "theory"

This is precisely why it's not a slip. It just feels like tmi masking as a theory and attempting to use it to deny town information already known to scum (namely who is in each hood).

[Titus]

That information is also particularly valuable to me so I might be a bit biased though.

[Titus]

Ugh, I need to do a crib sheet as to who is in what PT but I don't want to do paperwork.

[Titus]

Ugh, I need to do a crib sheet as to who is in what PT but I don't want to do paperwork.

How does this benefit town?

@Bear lol.

Norwe is Norwe, it’s okay to avoid it and such but the times they’ll be available and not emotional about something is shorter than the times that they are.

Immediately, knowing who has each other's ear is helpful.

I also love hoods.

There's another two reasons that will be revealed in time.

[Titus]

I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

[Titus]

I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

[Titus]

I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

[Flavor] - PROTECTOR of StarClan

[Part 1] - Text

[Part 2] - Text

Alignment

Confirm text

[Titus]

Doesn't help but thanks.

[Titus]

sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

[Titus]

@Bear, I'll focus on getting a read there when I catch up.

[Titus]

WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE READING TITUS' SLOT?

because she hasn't done anything

I've done plenty mechanically. :/

[Titus]

sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

well it's not just you i was ruder than i should've been to norwee earlier and annoyed val too

No problem. Anywhere other than Datisi NorwegianboyEE that I should focus on? Any hood in particular worth sorting? Are they both in the same hood?

[Titus]

Why are you saying things to try and get a rise out of me? There is a large chunk I haven't read. That's how I roll when afk for a bit.

[Titus]

Yes no?

[Titus]

Sorry for the prod.

Going to take a stab in the dark and say t v t or s v s. Too many slots on the sidelines

[Titus]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Haven't read. Just making wagons.

[Titus]

I want a claim so I can make my move accordingly.

Worst case, we flip a lurker. We need town to work together, which means someone compromise.

[Titus]

VOTE: marashu

[Titus]

What clan is Marashu?

[Titus]

I might bake cookies.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Marashu

[Titus]

Might as well disclose it since scum likely know by now.
Titus joined Wind Clan and I asked in wind clan if we could potentially flashwagon T3 since I townread everyone else in hood. This makes sense since we were talking about if there was scum in the hood and I thought if there was scum in our hood its probs just T3.
Norwee agreed with the idea so I went with it. I obvs couldn't get to check in with Val or Shiro about it since time was kind off of the essence. It was an idea worth trying because maybe if we did say eliminate T3 and flip him before he could tell scum that Titus joined Wind Clan, that would be a huge edge to have over scum. This is assuming he does flip scum ofc.

Did Titus agree to this? Or was "we as the wind clan" just you and Norwee?

Alisae and Norwee were the primary drivers of it, but Val thought I was the weakest slot in the hood. Idk about Titus.

I've been madam sheep.

[Titus]

interesting, do you know why / are you willing to share why titus joined?

i'm not against a t3 wagon though. so like. cool ig.

I haven't said beyond peeps are cool. I don't intend to.

[Titus]

Especially because Dannflor expressed significant doubt about the wagon on you multiple times before voting you, and you even quoted a post from Dannflor in the same post that you called Alisae opportunist, so you clearly saw Dannflor’s vote and doubt about the wagon on you.

If anything, Dannflor was more opportunist than Alisae. Alisae strongly scumread you and got into a conflict with you, expressing very little doubt as to your alignment. So, Alisae’s vote on you can be explained as town voting a scumread because there are more votes on the scumread, but Dannflor’s vote can be explained as inconsistent scum voting a limbait.

I read this post and I don't know how you feel about Dann and Alisae.

[Titus]

Going to be slow to respond tonight and tomorrow morning. Hopefully brief medical issue.

[Titus]

VOTE: mastina

Sure. Cat cult ftw.

[Titus]

Bell's a dog but he gets an exception because he's dressed like a cool cat with the shades.

[Titus]

I am not a beacon of obvtown, but do not consider giving me warrior powers until I say I'm eligible. This is not a fakeout.

[Titus]

I haven't read at all

I just got back from V/LA, will be rereading / catching up shortly

my only vibe from Titus previously was "disengaged" but I don't think that's AI

Fair, I have been focusing on not fucking up my role and getting to points where I am more useful with data. Plus, kinda tired.

[Titus]

my gut response was "why wouldn't you post this in your neighborhood"

Because I don't know who the leader is and trusting only one person leads to them wondering if it's wifom alone.

[Titus]

would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum

My thoughts exactly.

I'd sheep FA's townblock as I bet FA would insist warrior powers go there.

[Titus]

VCA theory time, then compare to FA's TRs. Let's go.

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

[5]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, Bell, KittyTacky, Marashu
[5]

KittyTacky

: catboi, Cephrir, Datisi, Alisae, Mistyx
[3]

Marashu

: NorwegianboyEE, fireisredsir, SCRRRDBEAR
[2]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, PenguinPower
[1]

Charloux

: Titus
[1]

Titus

: Charloux
[1]

Alisae

: Val89
[1]

Something_Smart

: Shiidaji


[2]

Not Voting

: Shiro, Dannflor

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong!

• currently v/la: dannflor, penguinpower, shiro

• seeking a replacement for shiidaji

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

VOTE COUNT 1.7

[4]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, Bell, KittyTacky
[3]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower
[3]

Marashu

: fireisredsir, NorwegianboyEE, Datisi
[2]

mastina

: Dannflor, Alisae
[2]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Cephrir
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu
[1]

Titus

: Charloux
[1]

Dannflor

: catboi

[3]

Not Voting

: Shiro, T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

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• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

Here we see the mastina wagon start. Dan moves off not voting to mastina. Dan's likely town unless both EE and Kitty are scum. Can't see scum really pushing for a third wagon unless they know Kitty or NorwegianboyEE's role saves them and it was too early for a claim.

Plus points for Alisae Kitty as a team, especially if Norway wagon is overloaded. Minor plus though not huge.

VOTE COUNT 1.7

[4]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, Bell, KittyTacky
[3]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower
[3]

Marashu

: fireisredsir, NorwegianboyEE, Datisi
[2]

mastina

: Dannflor, Alisae
[2]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Cephrir
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu
[1]

Titus

: Charloux
[1]

Dannflor

: catboi

[3]

Not Voting

: Shiro, T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

VOTE COUNT 1.8

[5]

mastina

: Alisae, NorwegianboyEE, Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir
[4]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower, Bell
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[3]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Cephrir, Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro, datisi, fireisredsir

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

Datisi bell unaligned most likely.

Marashu wagon totally dies here. If Datisi is scum, Marashu wagon likely scumlead. Fire and NorwegianboyEE both jump to mastina over Datisi.

I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.

@Cephrir - I'm not saying sheep people who have powers. I'm saying sheep FA TRs because if FA wanted to give powers to scum, she'd be more likely to be alive.

[Titus]

VOTE: Datisi

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 1.8

[5]

mastina

: Alisae, NorwegianboyEE, Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir
[4]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower, Bell
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[3]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Cephrir, Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro, datisi, fireisredsir

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

VOTE COUNT 1.9

[8]

mastina

: Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Val89, Bell, PenguinPower, NorwegianboyEE, Alisae
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[2]

T3

: Marashu, Cephrir
[2]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi
[1]

Datisi

: SCRRRDBEAR
[1]

Bell

: Frozen Angel

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro, datisi, fireisredsir

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

I think FA jumped on the wrong opportunistic vote on mastina and that it was Val's vote. Val's largely absent until it's time to put mastina to the point of no return.

[Titus]

I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.

why.

Because it answers a lot about the motivations for yesterday.

I could also go with fire or Val flips.

[Titus]

Does wind clan have a readwall from FA?

[Titus]

I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.

why.

Because it answers a lot about the motivations for yesterday.

I could also go with fire or Val flips.

i am asking you to spell it out. what EXACTLY does it answer. if i flip red. if i flip green.

i can sense that i'm a possible misyeet, especially if i'm right on kitty being scum, so i'm not letting people get it with reasoning as vague and meaningless as "best for gamestate".

My VCA doesn't give exact names yet. Too early. I postulated some partners you might have in the post. Second, why are you concerned with what happens if you flip red if it should never be a possibility?

All my notes say is scum preferred you to live over mastina. It could be possible, although unlikely, she had a decent pool so she was limmed rather than nightkilled.

One early VCA never solves the game but it is a place to start.

[Titus]

My VCA doesn't give exact names yet. Too early. I postulated some partners you might have in the post. Second, why are you concerned with what happens if you flip red if it should never be a possibility?

All my notes say is scum preferred you to live over mastina. It could be possible, although unlikely, she had a decent pool so she was limmed rather than nightkilled.

i'm "concerned" because if you don't give a coherent answer to what happens when i flip red, then i know you're full of shit

how do you know that it's exactly ME that scum were defending, and not norwee or marashu or kitty or t3 or whoever else was a wagon at any point in day 1. why is it me that is the best flip here?

mastina had me as locktown, never reeval. so if you wanna postulate she had a "decent pool", keep that in mind.

I don't know exactly that they were saving you. It's my best guess based on the motion of the wagons. Your wagon looked to be particularly consistent and the best guess based on how the votes peeled off.

I didn't see a T3 wagon but Alisae linked one in the chat. That might change my mind.

[Titus]

Does wind clan have a readwall from FA?

arent you in windclan

I am. I got the clans mixed up. I meant if FA's clan did.

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 1.8

[5]

mastina

: Alisae, NorwegianboyEE, Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir
[4]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower, Bell
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[3]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Cephrir, Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro, datisi, fireisredsir

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

[5] T3: Alisae, Bell, Marashu, NorwegianboyEE, Cephrir
[4] mastina: Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Val89
[3] Datisi: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower
[3] NorwegianboyEE: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[2] KittyTacky: Mistyx, Charloux
[2] PenguinPower: Datisi, catboi

[2] Not Voting: T3, Titus

VOTE COUNT 1.9

[8]

mastina

: Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Val89, Bell, PenguinPower, NorwegianboyEE, Alisae
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[2]

T3

: Marashu, Cephrir
[2]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi
[1]

Datisi

: SCRRRDBEAR
[1]

Bell

: Frozen Angel

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro, datisi, fireisredsir

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

Ugh need to go into context...

[Titus]

Mastina/Kitty/T3 all fine wagons to me.

If T3 is scum, Norway has high partner equity here.

[Titus]

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Mastina

One of these is likely scum if T3 is. I want to know how this "consensus" formed.

I think a T3 flip might solve a lot.

[Titus]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Titus]

Going there instead due to the sheer number of counters and the T3 relationship.

[Titus]

VOTE: T3

[Titus]

VOTE: t3

Why did you vote mastina yesterday?

[Titus]

VOTE: t3

Why did you vote mastina yesterday?

Because I couldn't get datisi and mastina was in the pool of people I was fine voting for.

Why wasn't T3? Why is he now?

[Titus]

T3 was a no-info wagon for D1. I said so. T3 was also like at 2 votes at the time I voted for mastina.

Both of those things are not true. Your vote came after Cephrir which was with T3 at 5. You and Norway were big catalysts for the wagon flipping the other way.

[Titus]

1) Why me = fry me.
2) Your "consensus" about Riverclan came after Bell's vote.

[Titus]

Alisae - scum
catboi - town
Charloux - town
Datisi - scum
NorwegianboyEE - scum
Bell - town
KittyTacky - scum
Dannflor - scum
Mistyx - town
SCRRRDBEAR - scum
Titus - town
fireisredsir - town
mastina - town
Frozen Angel - town
Cephrir - scum
Shiro - town
Something_Smart - scum
Val89 - town
T3 - scum
PenguinPower - scum

T3 is a lazy yeet.

We of the river clan* have reached a consensus.
Vote Mastina.

*it’s the royal we.

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Mastina

[Titus]

So then you're capitalizing on coincidence. Cool.

[Titus]

It shouldn't. PP is 100% scum here.

[Titus]

What makes you so sure?

1) He basically lied about his wagon position.
2) When I corrected him, he turned attention to bell.
3) His mastina vote is sheeping the river clan naked.
4) T3 was a lazy no info vote yesterday but now suddenly is worth a naked vote as the wagon creeps up.
5) He shades my attention on him and his behavior as deflection from Bell.

[Titus]

I found something that we all need to chase down right now:

Spoiler:

Would u like to share what you found with the class

I just... I... nevermind.

I think it's saying don't tunnel on side scum when we have a scum wagoned.

[Titus]

i think its just a laser pointer joke lmao thats a very generous interpretation titus

Loyal to a fault. What can I say?

[Titus]

Titus - I don’t think that scum!Titus would be so open about her mech information, both from my impression of her as a player and from her play in Datisi’s cafe. She made a complicated masonizer claim when wagoned, but she left no kind of crumb or soft prior to her claim, which leads me to believe scum!Titus probably wouldn’t go out of her way to fake all her mech info. I don’t have much about her play this game that I feel particularly strongly about.

I have zero problem being open about my role as scum. I have outright claimed a mod confirmed scum role as a "miller". I wouldn't soft masons as a mason either. However the spirit of your statements are true. As scum, I hold onto info unless it benefits me. I do the same as town. In this game, I don't see what knowledge I provided. I am the know nothing slot.

[Titus]

In all seriousness, I think the confidence with which people are calling T3 scum is overblown, I think he is basically =rand right now. I'd still be fine policy yeeting him out of the game if he's going to literally not play it but I also would be entirely unsurprised if he flipped green. Shrug.

I don't see T3 as not playing. I think his reads are weak but this doesn't feel like a fair categorization unless I'm wrong... I only read recently though soooo

[Titus]

Yes. It was announced that I joined.

[Titus]

@Bell
Yes. Pretty sure i said this before too.
Mod confirmed that someone joined our hood and then Titus said hi.

the "someone" element is interesting but that does indeed ruin my theory

What was your theory?

[Titus]

also: i feel like maybe titus' role is scummy? the fact that the hoods don't list occupants means she could have pretended to just be alone and used it to spy

but idk maybe that is overly obvious game design

That would be bastard game design.

[Titus]

SCRRRDBEAR looking for a non T3 wagon?

T3, PP, fire, bear?

[Titus]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

[Titus]

lollin at the moment I say I'm having doubts on kittytacky bear starts calling me scum

Join on T3?

[Titus]

Ngl KittyTacky is curious on a VCA level but I don't think they're scum.

Flavor is not Rusty or Scourge.

[Titus]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

did you choose which, and if so, why'd you choose the one you did when you did?

Chose and withholding that but I did pick because I felt everyone was mostly town.

I find it odd you're asking this immediately after it's been discussed in the hood with nearly the same precision.

[Titus]

titus, do you have any reads that aren't vca?

Just posted my guess solve a bit ago.

I'm building out from the VCA.

[Titus]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

did you choose which, and if so, why'd you choose the one you did when you did?

Chose and withholding that but I did pick because I felt everyone was mostly town.

I find it odd you're asking this immediately after it's been discussed in the hood with nearly the same precision.

i think it's a prudent question for sorting you :shrug:

Did your hood push you asking or discuss it prior? Given the eerie similarity of timing, we may have proof of a hood leak.

[Titus]

Drop that. My answer in the hood to that topic was yesterday afternoon (about 17 hours ago). Too broad to track...

[Titus]

Alisae
catboi
Charloux
Datisi
NorwegianboyEE
Bell
KittyTacky
Dannflor
Mistyx
SCRRRDBEAR
Titus*
fireisredsir
Cephrir
Marashu
Shiro
Something_Smart
Val89
T3 Shiidaji
PenguinPower

if we remove the people i think i have decent reasons to townread we have

catboi
Dannflor
SCRRRDBEAR
fireisredsir
Something_Smart
T3
PenguinPower

[Titus]
[Kitty]

havent reread fire but never got pinged there so that's more a case of "i need to reread that to lock it in"

otherwise uh i don't think this was necessarily a meaningful reevaluation because this is pretty much where i was earlier

bleh

Aside from me and Kitty being at the bottom, this is a decent readlist. You might want to look at the #notT3 company on the votes.

[Titus]

Oh so you TR me? I thought that was an SR. Carry on.

[Titus]

titus, do you have any reads that aren't vca?

Just posted my guess solve a bit ago.

I'm building out from the VCA.

i saw the guess solve but 4 naked names with zero explanation do nothing for me

Ok. Do you.

Fire's a bit more PoE. Townread the rest of his clan. I don't feel like readwalling.

[Titus]

Not voting Alisae.

[Titus]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

Kitty and T3 are more informative for VCA....

[Titus]

Also, I can’t recall if it’s in the rules. But no betting in game amongst players.

I took the bet as a joke.

Accepting and doing is a trust tell.

[Titus]

VOTE: alisae

im down

Why?

I see significant talk about Alisae in your posts but I get no idea of solid reads. Just text that makes my eyes glaze over.

[Titus]

i hope shiro's slot issues a clarification soon because god marashu is so scummy

True, but I don't see scum!shiro linking to scum!marashu like that unless scum!marashu's role was so vital they'd lose the game without it

[Titus]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

[Titus]

i feel similarly to charloux here so i don't really get what catboi thinks is so bad about the post

you feel similarly to that dogshit word salad explanation?

Fire's scum promoting bad opinions. Check his ISO. Verbose word salad. All of it.

[Titus]

you literally said you'd bet money on him flipping scum and now you're not confident enough to vote him?

FLAME BAIT DETECTED--CAUTION, CHARLOUX--CARELESSNESS IS THE BIGGEST CAUSE OF FIRE

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

FLAME BAIT DETECTION DOUBLE-TIME: BE A HERO, LEARN FIRE PREVENTION

I'd do a fire lim if interest

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 2.6

[4]

KittyTacky

: Cephrir, Something_Smart, SCRRRDBEAR, Bell
[4]

Alisae

: Val89, Datisi, Charloux, fireisredsir
[3]

T3

: NorwegianboyEE,Titus, KittyTacky
[1]

Titus

: PenguinPower
[1]

Something_Smart

: Mistyx
[1]

fireisredsir

: Dannflor
[1]

Charloux

: catboi

[4]

Not voting

: Marashu, Shiro, T3, Alisae

—

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-11-10 00:51:10).

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• replacing shiro.

oh no titus, I was the catalyst for votes shifting off T3 again. yeet me.

Bait acknowledged. I'd do whomever in my pool gets votes.

Tell me, when's the last time you tunneled like this? Feels like antispew.

[Titus]

Tell me, when's the last time you tunneled like this? Feels like antispew.

Probably the last time someone blatantly lied in an attempt to push me.

So it's because you were caught. Good to know.

[Titus]

god I love when I finally catch someone doing some real scummy shit and the entire game goes "lalalala I can't hear you"

I love mafia

I love the games on this website

Charloux is bad. Scum promote the bad. Rarely do scum push early unless someone is hyper accurate.

[Titus]

god I love when I finally catch someone doing some real scummy shit and the entire game goes "lalalala I can't hear you"

I love mafia

I love the games on this website

Charloux is bad. Scum promote the bad. Rarely do scum push early unless someone is hyper accurate.

How many potential miselims are you going to take on average before you start looking at stuff outside the obvious.
T3, Kitty and Marashu are widely scum read, so you are just going to promote them without considering other options?
THAT is bad.

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

[Titus]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

It's not. Your coherence was bad. People see things differently. I don't scumread you but I think you're being sheeped for being wrong.

[Titus]

If the wagons are T/T, whoever just tried to start the alisae wagon is probably +town

catboi and fire I think? or catboi and datisi?

While I disagree with the premise, the conclusion is correct.

[Titus]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

Level 0?

[Titus]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

Level 0?

I just feel like you're basing your reads off the first impression or reason you find

like there's just less analysis than I would expect from you in general

Fair. This is accurate. I have been drowning in work and illness so I am working off of data and likely strategic play coming from scum. If you call that level 0, it's accurate. Plus, I don't want to be widely TRed yet.

[Titus]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

It's not. Your coherence was bad. People see things differently. I don't scumread you but I think you're being sheeped for being wrong.

Don't really have a counter-argument with that. People can't judge themselves objectively, and i DO think of myself as below-average skill wise.
But that doesn't mean i should just stay quiet tho. I'll give my opinions of things i take note; Even if most are stupid, i'm certain at least some will make sense

Did I say you should shut up? I know I'm at my weakest D1, which is why I'll sheep any wagon in my suspect pool. All I meant to convey was that fire scum was riding on your wrong, incoherent opinion to help save T3.

I didn't mean to offend or insult or claim I was better than you.

[Titus]

okay well i think you should actually claim that because due to things i am highly skeptical of shiro's claim

Agreed, with reluctance.

[Titus]

Oh....

[Titus]

Isn't discussing replace outs not allowed.

Relating it to alignment is not. We acknowledge replace outs happening all the time though.

[Titus]

*sees wagon* *sees my suggested team*

K. Good weekend.

[Titus]

Can we not devolve into FoSing each other?

VOTE: PP

[Titus]

Sheep me until I am wrong.

[Titus]

Oh wow, my town core subs out and my scumreads just go right back to counterwagoning me. Nothing to see here.

Lol sounds like more fun than pulling teeth.

[Titus]

i dont agree but i dont think theres any point in discussing it further right now

How's about discussing how the town core replaced out and now all the good core in WindClan is gone?

WindClan would be stomping right now.

Math, take a look at the votes. Look at the developing T3 wagon D1 and then D2.

PP got caught bussing.

Fire has no substance in his ISO

Bear is a spam bot....

But town is gone so we likely just lose but going to try.

There's only one scum left after those.

[Titus]

Wow, another game where I can’t read Titus to save my life.
What a surprise.

It's okay. I solved the game mostly. You can just eliminate my SRs and then paranoid me lim after.

[Titus]

Math actually managed to turn Alisae's slot scummy. Town!Math compromising on a TR when there's a viable scum wagon...

[Titus]

Still PenguinPower is the best wagon. Ok.

I'll just wait to catch up.

[Titus]

Lol Bear just yelling nonsense again.

[Titus]

HEY TITUS, DATISI, MISTYX, CEPHRIR, IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF YOU TO POST ANOTHER READS LIST.

My solve hasn't changed since the last time I posted it but for Math as last scum. I don't SR Mistyx. This is what I mean about you posting nonsense.

[Titus]

if i were to consider gamestate reads it would be one of a few possible worlds

1) titus is scum, and her team is struggling/not very present, and she tried to lead but didn't really have the energy to take over the whole game. the other 3 scum in like, the lower energy/lower influence posters. i think that if most or all of the like, town leader-y people are in fact town, and are currently correct, then that can be kinda demotivating for a lower influence scumteam

2) titus is scum, and is willing to be die bc she has at least 1 or 2 teammates who are set up well to endgame and/or will look good off her flip. not really sure who this would be, but it seems possible. maybe dann or datisi ig.

3) titus is town, and scum are letting town push her. probably likely if titus is town. scum more likely to be in the quiet or reluctant enablers, or if penguin is town too, might just not care at all and let town fight it out

4) titus is town and scum are hardshoving her out. ehhh don't really buy this one, but it would probably mean scum in bear and/or penguin, with maybe others encouraging along the way, and maybe one or two off doing their own thing.

ranking these in order of which i think is most likely id prob go with 1 > 3 > 2 > 4

i feel like i do actually see 1 happen fairly frequently and every time someone is like "but wouldn't they be trying more if they were scum" while the scum just doesn't really have a way out and has kinda given up/is on antispew

It's 4 and you're one of them.

[Titus]

IT'S FUNNY HOW MUCH HARDER IT IS FOR SCUM TO CONTROL THE THREAD WHEN THEY MAKE IT REALLY OBVIOUS WHICH SLOTS THEY'RE HIDING IN. I'M NOT TRUSTING ANYTHING POSTED BY MISTYX/DATISI/CEPHRIR UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY POST A READS LIST WITH SOME THOUGHT BEHIND IT.

THE GAME IS AT A STANDSTILL UNTIL EITHER TITUS IS FLIPPED OR MISTYX/CEPHRIR/DATISI/TITUS STOP BEING EVASIVE AND ACTUALLY COMMIT THEMSELVES TO A STANCE ON EVERY SLOT.

More noise trying to discredit my townreads. It's beyond obvious I am and have been committed.

[Titus]

Titus full claim please.

Universal backup for the clan I join. Scum get my claim now, which was the point.

[Titus]

Titus full claim please.

Universal backup for the clan I join. Scum get my claim now, which was the point.

I only inherit town though.

[Titus]

Titus full claim please.

Universal backup for the clan I join. Scum get my claim now, which was the point.

I only inherit town though.

And not the leader.

[Titus]

Titus full claim please.

Universal backup for the clan I join. Scum get my claim now, which was the point.

flavor?

Sol

[Titus]

I'm like 95% sure Bear is town and Mistyx dismissing him is frustrated scum.

Backwards.

[Titus]

But who cares? Who actually looks at wagons? Who cares that a lot of the active town who pushed T3 and hard town read me got subbed out? Who cares that most of the town early voting me have beef with me?

Literally, this game was a stop until the subs.

[Titus]

Oh shit. I figured it out. Titus is in fact 3p and the UB is bullshit and the scum team is misty, ???, ??? and they don't know what to do.

or at least that's my interpretation of how misty not wanting to vote Titus works in my mind

signups said no 3p

Yes. Nero can you stop being an incompetent ass who hates me and sheep now?

[Titus]

i can take being deathtunneled i can take insults to my mafia game but you do NOT get to accuse me of being fake about warrior cats that doesnt happen

I think Bear was being vague

don't care!

Sus

Stop. Mistyx is town.

[Titus]

what clan is Titus in?

Wind. I joined after Shiro's claim.

[Titus]

I don't hate you at all. That's just something you've made up and ran with despite me refuting it several times.

Name 1 game where you have actually felt I was smart or correct.

[Titus]

No.

[Titus]

I don't hate you at all. That's just something you've made up and ran with despite me refuting it several times.

Name 1 game where you have actually felt I was smart or correct.

there was the mystery box of silver where you got 1 scum correct and that mini we were both in where I sheeped your scum reads. I mean yes maybe I don't think your reads are great all the time but that doesn't mean I hate you.

stop trying to act like gamma

You and Cephrir vote me almost every game. Math is either scum (probably) or in a pissing match.

The rest of almost all the rest of the wagon I called scum first.

Quite stupid. If this was anyone else you'd see it. Bear spams away so PP can lurk.

[Titus]

Then again, you can't even shoot a scum that fakes your role so maybe I expect too much

[Titus]

But who cares? Who actually looks at wagons? Who cares that a lot of the active town who pushed T3 and hard town read me got subbed out? Who cares that most of the town early voting me have beef with me?

Literally, this game was a stop until the subs.

can you play this game instead of complaining about it not being a different game

I ALREADY FUCKING SOLVED IT. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

[Titus]

But who cares? Who actually looks at wagons? Who cares that a lot of the active town who pushed T3 and hard town read me got subbed out? Who cares that most of the town early voting me have beef with me?

Literally, this game was a stop until the subs.

can you play this game instead of complaining about it not being a different game

I ALREADY FUCKING SOLVED IT. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

convincing reasons, i guess :/

sorry, i don't mean to irritate you. btw, do you currently have marashu's role then, or no?

No. Marashu isn't Windclan.

Fire - Vapid nothingness in his ISO
PP - Lied about his T3 trajectory and then tried to deflect
Bear - Spam of bullshit particularly me and mistyx to discredit

Math (weaker) - Compromise on a townread, no push on SRs

[Titus]

But who cares? Who actually looks at wagons? Who cares that a lot of the active town who pushed T3 and hard town read me got subbed out? Who cares that most of the town early voting me have beef with me?

Literally, this game was a stop until the subs.

can you play this game instead of complaining about it not being a different game

I ALREADY FUCKING SOLVED IT. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

can you explain your thought process for what led you to think that t3 was scum, confidently enough to start teamsolving off it?

Already did. It was VCA driven. Then play revealed

[Titus]

Guess what. PP still lied. My scumteam is still correct with the possibility of Math being wrong. I explained it like 50 times yet people still want it "explained". The fact is there are not enough active town to win this game.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Sorry, don’t really think Titus flips scum.
But Dann can post his case in clan chat and they can share it there too.
Not feeling’ it.

Yeah like this is half my wagon. Rather than actually follow someone town, you vote because the scumteam decided to park and none of you want to lead.

Oh well, tired of being gaslit and slight chance I am in trial today so yeah...

[Titus]

VOTE: t3

down with VCAers!!

VOTE: t3

Why did you vote mastina yesterday?

VOTE: t3

Why did you vote mastina yesterday?

Because I couldn't get datisi and mastina was in the pool of people I was fine voting for.

VOTE: t3

Why did you vote mastina yesterday?

Because I couldn't get datisi and mastina was in the pool of people I was fine voting for.

Why wasn't T3? Why is he now?

T3 was a no-info wagon for D1. I said so. T3 was also like at 2 votes at the time I voted for mastina.

T3 was a no-info wagon for D1. I said so. T3 was also like at 2 votes at the time I voted for mastina.

Both of those things are not true. Your vote came after Cephrir which was with T3 at 5. You and Norway were big catalysts for the wagon flipping the other way.

Hugely disagree with you on point 1. You seem to be somewhat accurate on point 2, but why call out me or norwe and not Bell? Bell shifted it from [5] T3/[4] mastina to [5]mastina/[4] T3.

Spoiler: VC at my vote

VOTE COUNT 1.8

[5]

mastina

: Alisae, NorwegianboyEE, Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir
[4]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower, Bell
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[3]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Cephrir, Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

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• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong! sorry for the vc errors, i've been sustained by cold medicine the past few days.

• currently v/la: shiro, datisi, fireisredsir

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VOTE: Mastina

I have an important announcement.

Due to things that have come to light and

Unforeseen Circumstances

, we as the wind clan have come to a decision that we must act with quick haste.
In part of this decision, we will now attempt to back the following motion.

VOTE: T3

It gets better if you vote him before he shows any signs of life

VOTE: T3

Sure.

I have an important announcement.

Due to things that have come to light and

Unforeseen Circumstances

, we as the wind clan have come to a decision that we must act with quick haste.
In part of this decision, we will now attempt to back the following motion.

VOTE: T3

It gets better if you vote him before he shows any signs of life

Ok, I want to see where this goes.
VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

I find it strange that Bell indicated themselves as scum in their reaction-list.

I'm suspicious of how genuine Cephrir's list is

Why?

VOTE: T3

Okay,
so
I'll be real here.

My meta on Mastina is basically:
Will Mastina have a meltdown?
Y: Scum.
N: Town.

They had a meltdown.

I'm fine with this. For the day.
VOTE: Mastina

Ah, I see what you're saying for plot reasons one kitty leaves the clan/is evil.
While Titus is the good rogue kitty that comes in to shore up the clan that had a loss/betrayal.
Makes sense from a plot point perspective.

...I forgot what Ydra said about this. *shrug* I'm sure someone will dig it up.

VOTE COUNT 1.8

[5]

mastina

: Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Val89, Bell
[4]

T3

: Alisae, Marashu, NorwegianboyEE, Cephrir
[3]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower,
[3]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, KittyTacky
[2]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, , Charloux
[2]

PenguinPower

: Datisi, catboi

[2]

Not Voting

: T3, Titus

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

1) Why me = fry me.
2) Your "consensus" about Riverclan came after Bell's vote.

Alisae - scum
catboi - town
Charloux - town
Datisi - scum
NorwegianboyEE - scum
Bell - town
KittyTacky - scum
Dannflor - scum
Mistyx - town
SCRRRDBEAR - scum
Titus - town
fireisredsir - town
mastina - town
Frozen Angel - town
Cephrir - scum
Shiro - town
Something_Smart - scum
Val89 - town
T3 - scum
PenguinPower - scum

T3 is a lazy yeet.

We of the river clan* have reached a consensus.
Vote Mastina.

*it’s the royal we.

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Mastina

I'm not river clan

So then you're capitalizing on coincidence. Cool.

[Titus]

Sorry Titus.
It’s super awkward to defend you when you don’t make any sense to me and I can barely read you.
Last two weeks at work have been really tiring.

Like I said, not enough active town who can read. I don't make sense because you can't think and that's my fault somehow?

[Titus]

Thanks for reinforcing my points.

Much appreciated as you yeet your way out of here.

Anyone can go back in time and see you lied. T3 was NOT a no info wagon. You changed the wagon over with Norway. You suddenly voted T3 when he became popular.

I will flip town. Maybe just maybe that will have town sheep but town lims tend to be discredited which is y'alls point.

[Titus]

Fire was scum. Town defended him in very anti-town manners. This includes Penguin not taking ownership of his voting patterns. He deserved the FoS frankly and the fact town jumped on me caused my bad reads after that. If you're town, even if you disagree, just say that and move on rather than belittling me and getting upset when bullied and wagoned.

Thanks for attending my TED talk.

[Titus]

*When I defend nyself when bullied and wagoned.