Community Redux | Postgame

[Frogsterking]

I think AD and Titus look TvT. Though I will say I had a very cool idea for an Enchant + Titus team solve with MT as 3rd party.

[Frogsterking]

whats wrong with being b team support

do you have an example of a game where you take on a town leader role and get everyone to follow you?

The game you just modded, I challenged twice. I voted all 5 Mafia.

I thiiiiiiink this is +town for furtiveglance.

[Frogsterking]

I'm starting to feel that furtiveglance vs Pooky is TvT.

@Dease

Does your townsend of Meuh include the possibility she's a 3rd party?

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Meuh

I think Meuh is more likely 3P than furtive is more likely traitor. I don't care too much about the doctor ability being wasted if I'm wrong.

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Meuh

I'm going to think about this first

[Frogsterking]

Furtive's recent posting isn't even scumpinging me so I don't mind dying all that much

Virtue signaling?

[Frogsterking]

Furtive's recent posting isn't even scumpinging me so I don't mind dying all that much

Virtue signaling?

VOTE: Meuh
No signaling, just virtue

I'm thinking

[Frogsterking]

I do think if I was scum I'd probably think I've already lost the game, but at the same time you could use that potential mentality to justify literally any action I do: a player who can't win functionally has no objective in the game

Unvote

[Frogsterking]

Meuh you thought Tweetie might be 3rd party-in-the-hood or am I confusing you with someone else?

[Frogsterking]

A hood with concrete powers and no scum in it is a pretty crazy idea to me

Yes and I think Penguin is Town on play unless I'm hella pocketed.

[Frogsterking]

Meuh did you already get a chance to talk about your read on Penguin?

[Frogsterking]

Meuh why did you self vote once you went back down to e-2?

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VOTE: meuh

E-1

Gn Furtive!

Says gn

UNVOTE: Meuh

I'm going to think about this first

I show reluctance, putting Meuh at e-2

Furtive's recent posting isn't even scumpinging me so I don't mind dying all that much

Meuh starts fast talking

Furtive's recent posting isn't even scumpinging me so I don't mind dying all that much

Virtue signaling?

VOTE: Meuh
No signaling, just virtue

Self vote, now e-1 instead of hammer

UNVOTE: Meuh
I'll SV if it comes to it but Furtive dying is still better cause they could just be scum

Pedit: One step ahead of you

Quickly takes self back off e-1

[Frogsterking]

1134 I don't like

VOTE: Meuh

[Frogsterking]

Frogs case on andres seems like mostly that he's absent

VOTE: Bell

Frogs case on andres seems like mostly that he's absent

VOTE: Bell

Frogs case on andres seems like mostly that he's absent

VOTE: Bell

[Frogsterking]

Okay fine I'll think about it then UNVOTE: Meuh

[Frogsterking]

A hood with concrete powers and no scum in it is a pretty crazy idea to me

Yes and I think Penguin is Town on play unless I'm hella pocketed.

Is there something in the hood that makes you think so? Or in this thread

Nothing specific I can recall off the top of my head, I just remember thinking he seemed active in both and I never really got scum pinged.

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okay cool

I will now go into the reasons why I think Meuh is government.

I am the other Operator (technically it's possible that there's more but I very much doubt that is the case) and so I feel I have some insight into what a reaction to Maria's claim would be from someone who knew about the existence of operators.
Not only that, but the government would have even more knowledge that Maria's claim was made up because of what Maria said about 3p in 505.

See, when Maria claimed, I was preeeetty sure that they were a scum operator making stuff up, but there was an outside chance that the other operator was somebody else and this was Maria just making something else up.

BUT the government role knows about the operator thing, and they would have known if there was also some lost mason thing that they could listen in on. So, because there is no lost mason thing and what Maria was posting sounded very similar to the operator role, the government player would have 99% known that this was Maria just making stuff up.

This is where Meuh comes in. 521 reads to me as Meuh knowing based on her role that Maria is scum, but the actual reasoning provided does not really stack up. It reads to me more as the government player knowing that Maria is scum, but not being able to be completely honest about the reasons why.

If anyone is interested in any other operator details I'm happy to divulge, but Maria had reason to believe that I might be the other operator (I semi- revealed myself in my night 1 radio message) and the claim was probably to try and claim masons with me on the off-chance I was another traitor, OR banking on me potentially being an unclaimed member of the hotel.

Meuh has also weirdly not expressed suspicion of me despite me being mostly a non-presence.

But yeah, I think it makes more sense to eliminate Meuh than furtive here.

[Frogsterking]

How much do we all trust Dease as a Community? I don't trust him that much to be honest because his ISO doesn't look that great.

[Frogsterking]

What if the scum team is something like furtiveglance and Dease, and Meuh is the target of the 3rd Party Player who is like MT or something?

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Oh yeah I remember now we have some VCA BS from the alcohol giver so Dease is psuedo clear. IDK whatever probably yeah we should kill Meuh to prevent a third party wincon.

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VOTE: Meuh

Okay whatever let's Meuh've it along

[Frogsterking]

Oh yeah I remember now we have some VCA BS from the alcohol giver so Dease is psuedo clear. IDK whatever probably yeah we should kill Meuh to prevent a third party wincon.

If I live, I'm doing it tomorrow but if you're alive, check me on my VCA to be sure I'm not tunneled.

What VCA?

[Frogsterking]

Oh yeah I remember now we have some VCA BS from the alcohol giver so Dease is psuedo clear. IDK whatever probably yeah we should kill Meuh to prevent a third party wincon.

If I live, I'm doing it tomorrow but if you're alive, check me on my VCA to be sure I'm not tunneled.

What VCA?

Reread the post. It's not done yet.

Okay I don't know which post. It's something you're writing now?

[Frogsterking]

Okay I will try when I get an opportunity. I'm on mobile right now.

[Frogsterking]

Color it in rainbow

If you want to be better at playing scum you can color it in rainbow yourself to disrupt the thread

[Frogsterking]

Color it in rainbow

If you want to be better at playing scum you can color it in rainbow yourself to disrupt the thread

I will do it.

Don't test me.

I don't think that you're actually willing to do that, I think you're going to lurk out again and hope I forget.

[Frogsterking]

Instead of the occams razor solution of vig

Elaborate.

[Frogsterking]

Option 2. Meuh scum Herta scum nk. People considered Option 2, Titus not very concerned that that was a reason for meuh sus imo

I'm pretty sure Titus is Town

[Frogsterking]

She well might be. You may have better info per Titus suggestion, but it would be nice to keep her honest

I think it's a waste of an ability

[Frogsterking]

Option 2. Meuh scum Herta scum nk. People considered Option 2, Titus not very concerned that that was a reason for meuh sus imo

I'm pretty sure Titus is Town

why

Day play. She is scumhunting (I think.) I will become more suspicious if the VCA ends up never getting posted.

[Frogsterking]

What about you, Enchant? Who among us causes you woe?

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[Frogsterking]

So we kill Dan first to stop 3rd party win then clean up Enchant + MT?

[Frogsterking]

Or we kill the practically claimed 3p

Hmm

[Frogsterking]

As far as I'm concerned, Pooky is alibied (mostly) from being group scum. Frogsterking is conftown unless another protective comes forth.

Maybe pocketing her perceived biggest threats?

[Frogsterking]

It's going to be a bit hard to convince you if you can't see it already. Admittedly, Titus for what ever reason gave it away voluntarily, but also true, that is a very Titus thing to do.

You think that's more likely than RH moving the roles around? I feel like she can just claim loyal hider and I would have believed you.

[Frogsterking]

Also she isn't playing from town perspective. Why did she not announce target. What if she died? Etc.

That's a good detail, I think Town!Titus would do that. I wasn't sus of the not-outting targets because I thought she was a hider.

[Frogsterking]

I don't believe meuh's claim and I'm suspicious AD is buying it so easily.

I don't see how Meuh's claim is false. Do you really think scum Meuh shot Herta over anyone else? That'd be some leash when he can just claim blocked

Yeah cause here she already knew Meuh wasn't 3P. Makes sense. Tells are there for Titus to be 3P I think.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Titus

Titus today and Enchant tomorrow? What if Enchant is just a traitor?

[Frogsterking]

If you're inno who is scum?

[Frogsterking]

If you're inno who is scum?

ActionDan prob

I believe Dan's solve tbh

[Frogsterking]

Cool.

Then why you bother talking with me

I could be wrong. How do you feel about the self watching hood mechanic?

[Frogsterking]

I'm going to treat your silence as an answer ftr.

[Frogsterking]

Meuh, who had always helped around the Town, was ousted to the wilderness.

I miss Meuh

[Frogsterking]

The egregious flaws in this setup were 3rd party wincon not announced being so easy to achieve + Town close to Omniwatcher

How i am supposed to kill hotel trivagos? Of course by losing member everytime we do so. Or mislimming them. Somehow.

I fake claimed my role.

[Frogsterking]

I'm sorry for FoSing you constantly MT and Meuh

Thank you for helping me become unpocketed by Titus, Dan. You did a great job explaining your solve to me. I may never have realized Titus was lying if you didn't convince me first.

[Frogsterking]

There weren't any additional abilities and my role had no self protective element AFAIK, the hotel wouldn't report who visited me if I were NKed (I think) and it would just turn into a regular hood.

I fake claimed self-protection because I assumed scum were in hotel and my role was flavor revealed by mod within the hotel, so I figured I had to claim anyway AND it was bad for Town if I got killed. I can't believe Town had a roleblocker in addition to the JOAT to keep me alive. I assumed there would be no protectives or there would be some protective like a Hider and I could only bluff my way to safety.

The egregious flaws in this setup were 3rd party wincon not announced being so easy to achieve + Town close to Omniwatcher

How i am supposed to kill hotel trivagos? Of course by losing member everytime we do so. Or mislimming them. Somehow.

I fake claimed my role.

Well, i tried to kill you anyway so it really didn't matter.

Damn. You've had shit luck rolling scum in large themes with the TfT game where we got that huge Bulletproof Town hydra and like 5 other TPRs, now here where we get a huge self-watching all Town hood and like 3 other TPRs and the 3rd party.

[Frogsterking]

The egregious flaws in this setup were 3rd party wincon not announced being so easy to achieve + Town close to Omniwatcher

How i am supposed to kill hotel trivagos? Of course by losing member everytime we do so. Or mislimming them. Somehow.

I fake claimed my role.

Well, i tried to kill you anyway so it really didn't matter.

Granted, in both games (here and TfT) part of the reason the situation became oppressive was because scum team had players who got caught early. I think most Large Themes are both swingy and balanced with the expectation that Town can't vote scum very well.

I still don't get Pooky's point though. You think if I was a Town Duellist I would have just sat on it forever? lol

i dont think duelist should ever use their ability period and i dont think you as town would ever use a duelist ability.

Damn you think he's joshin' us?