Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

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Dingle why you scumread me

why me D;

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How is everyone saying me. I'm baffled

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How is everyone saying me. I'm baffled

For me it’s imho possible traitor crumbs and overall play

My opening post was an obvious joke, Enchant and RR made similar posts. Overall play is obvious town, I opposed a vote on town and eventually voted out scum

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How is everyone saying me. I'm baffled

For me it’s imho possible traitor crumbs and overall play

My opening post was an obvious joke, Enchant and RR made similar posts. Overall play is obvious town, I opposed a vote on town and eventually voted out scum

You're a weaker read due to popularity.

Scarfmanship is the play. I'd eat my hat if they're town

~Titus

Popularity? Wtffff????

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Kill Firebringer, and break unwnd's heart

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Why the change? You weren't really calling for my head last phase.

Im just warning you that pairing me with anyone is faulty logic

I do believe I said that the people pushing mastina as a counter to settling the guilty claim were likely aligned with one of MMR/PPF. I stand by that assessment.

But it wasn't a guilty though was it. MMR literally finished that whole thing by saying "I guess it means you're town" to PPF. How was I meant to get a guilty from that? I didn't know what Loyal/Ascetic even meant.

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There's very much a part of me that thinks MMR thought PPF was other-scum, possibly because of their role results, and that is the simplest explanation for the botched claim in my mind. Meaning we should resolve that slot one way or another.

This is plausible.

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Let it be known that I know Firebringer is Cult.

But,

VOTE: Scarfmanship

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@MMR why would you call the player who’s suggesting you botched your fakeclaim “a beacon of light?

And why bother mentioning the Mastina/Fire thing unless you have an actual opinion about it?

The first thing is that T-Bone is displaying a Town mindset. He is making observations and working from there.
The second thing was because Math wanted a summary and I decided that he needed to know mastina's request.
-Rubella

This is seriously probably the most cringeworthy post in the entire game.

T-Bone: MMR is probably scum due to botched fakeclaim.
MMR: T-Bone is a “beacon of light” for correctly calling us out on our bs. lololol

You're a beacon of light for this post

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And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You seriously see this as distancing? I read it as an attempt to possibly shift to a DDS wagon because they know we’d flip town.

In the world where you’re town/not lunar I see it as MMR wanting their traitor buddy to not vote them and create the stalemate.

Why would they do that in the main thread then?

Traitor = can’t talk in scum PT.

Where else would they do it?

Why do you think there is/are (a) Traitor(s)?

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Let it be known that I know Firebringer is Cult.

But,

VOTE: Scarfmanship

What are you doing here? Is this a joke?

I'm basically announcing one scumread as if I was voting them, and voting a different scumread. I don't have a guilty if that's what you're asking.

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Wow did my wording look like a PR claim? It wasn't.

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Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Oh I see.

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*oop*

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Bet y'all wish that was me don't yall. haha, NOPE!

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I don't know if I necessarily agree with traitors. Two scum factions both with the possibility of a traitor would mean either a stacked town power squad, or more numbers, but this game started with 17, right? We assuming 3 or 4 scum per faction, and a traitor would put town at near 50% from the get go.

I wasn't assuming 3/4, I was assuming 2/2/13 and maybe the Cults have some kinda recruit thing

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I wasn't assuming 3/4

Thought someone said 3 or 4. I remember that from yesterday at least.

If it's 3/3/11, town seems kinda doomed to me.

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Oh wow I was right. Scum Vig anyone? Could explain early claim, no death and bad kill?

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Oh wow I was right. Scum Vig anyone? Could explain early claim, no death and bad kill?

Kill was necessary I explained why and my TRs agreed

Is *Ydrasse* a townread of yours?

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But MMR wasn't under pressure when they claimed, no one was talking about them. So why did they do it?

Botched guilty theory is a possible one

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But MMR wasn't under pressure when they claimed, no one was talking about them. So why did they do it?

Botched guilty theory is a possible one

Or, it was an attempt at town clearing PPF which failed for some reason

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It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

I want furitive to answer this. He's the closest thing we have to a PPF supporter.

I don't think MMR's play makes sense regardless of PPF's role. I have seen the scum on scum guilty theory and I acknowledge it as possible. What else do you want me to say on it?

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VOTE: Ydrasse

This is where I want my vote, I think.

VOTE: Ydrasse

Bit of momentum on a given up scum slot

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i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

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how come all the scummy ppl are like "nah MMR was just impossible to understand lets ignore it"

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

I want furitive to answer this. He's the closest thing we have to a PPF supporter.

I don't think MMR's play makes sense regardless of PPF's role. I have seen the scum on scum guilty theory and I acknowledge it as possible. What else do you want me to say on it?

I don't agree that this bizarre play DEFINITELY implicates PPF. Look at MMR's role: 'You are a Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the Solar Cult, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.'

So, if MMR got a result of Vanilla, PPF could well be Town.

So what are you even on about???????

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how come all the scummy ppl are like "nah MMR was just impossible to understand lets ignore it"

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

I want furitive to answer this. He's the closest thing we have to a PPF supporter.

I don't think MMR's play makes sense regardless of PPF's role. I have seen the scum on scum guilty theory and I acknowledge it as possible. What else do you want me to say on it?

I don't agree that this bizarre play DEFINITELY implicates PPF. Look at MMR's role: 'You are a Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the Solar Cult, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.'

So, if MMR got a result of Vanilla, PPF could well be Town.

So what are you even on about???????

PPF claimed PR. So if MMR got vanilla then PPR = scum PR
If MMR got PR then PPR = town PR.

Your logic doesn’t follow.

Oh I see. I forgot they claimed PR. Did we get the full claim?

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i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

Yes select three posts without context. Very convincing /s

The context is literally there. What other context do you need? In what world does Ydrasse look towny to you?

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VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

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I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum

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My reads are actually good this game

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i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

@furtiveglance

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Give this a read-through. If your argument is that Ydrasse is scum because she wouldn't 'set the bar' this low as town, I believe this game is a counterexample.

I'm not necessarily arguing that this is a case for her being *town*, but I do believe it provides an alternative to the worldview you've stated where you think she's just given up scum.

I played with Town Ydrasse. This is not it

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(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

Basically this. I've seen town!furtive engage like this before but I've got no issue seeing this as scum!furtive trying to imitate that energy

Yeah I have been highly uninteractive with my reads. I feel detached from the whole game. People aren't listening to me, and I'm right. Mathblade is dominating the game and it's bad for town because their reads (if they're town) are bad. So yeah. I just want to vote out Firebringer Toog and Ydrasse really. If you guys are saying no to Ydrasse then vote Firebringer instead.

VOTE: Firebringer

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@ furtive

I agree with a lot of what you have said, in particular MathBlade needs like 600 less posts if he wants anyone to want to engage with the thread

Engage with what I've said though because I'm trying to get a sense of genuine thought from you and it's not reassuring that you won't have a skim through an ISO that will provide some perspective on someone you claim is definitely scum for specific reasons

Listening is a two-way street

Going out now, will respond later

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VC 3.0.3


Past Present Future (1) Mathblade, [E-6]
Firebringer (1) Furtiveglance [E-6]
Scarfmanship (1) Past Present Future [E-6]
Toogeloo (1) Scarfmanship [E-6]
Ydrasse (1) Toogeloo [E-6]
Furtiveglance (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow [E-6]

Not Voting (7) Meuh, Cat Scratch Fever, Radical Rat, Ydrasse, Toogeloo, Firebringer, Enchant

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

Can we get some momentum on Firebringer? I feel like they're definitely Cult of some kind

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VOTE: furtive

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VOTE: furtive

I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.

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VOTE: furtive

I hope for your sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.

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i feel 90% of what furtiveglance posts is just trolling. What am i supposed to take seriously here

You have done nothing all game

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hi pot meet kettle.

I have consistently given reads and been active. We are not the same

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keep telling urself that.
feels like ur trying to start some fight or get me to be active. Either way, not interested.

do u have anything of substance to think im scum or just this "ur not doing anything"

1) So you're not even pretending to be interested in 'getting active'?

2) That is in itself a reason. Lack of contribution is scummy, and when we normalise (i.e. nullread) players who do nothing, site meta suffers as a result.

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Is furtive a Solar Goon who wants to die to protect the Cult Leader?

To me, it feels like everyone else is trolling. The way I'm seeing myself play rn is that I'm calling out scummy players, and the players I'm not calling out are going "oh look, someone's pushing on scummy slots in an otherwise completely dead game in which town will almost definitely lose, must be cult".

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VOTE: furtive

I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.

Like I'm not sure how you can post this with any amount of seriousness as town

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MathBlade shot unwnd, who was one of my top towns, and NO ONE said to kill them, and then turns around and votes me. If they're town, it's complete buffoonery.

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keep telling urself that.
feels like ur trying to start some fight or get me to be active. Either way, not interested.

do u have anything of substance to think im scum or just this "ur not doing anything"

1) So you're not even pretending to be interested in 'getting active'?

2) That is in itself a reason. Lack of contribution is scummy, and when we normalise (i.e. nullread) players who do nothing, site meta suffers as a result.

1) I will be active when im interested in game. U can't force people to care about a game
2) U can't change site meta by trying to enforce policy lims. I have been on this site for like 7 years. If u think u can preach change and then everyone just accepts ur vision of what should be normal behavior, ur wrong. The focus should be on improving ur own ability to read people.

So i guess we got nothing here.
Think i got a weak townread here...although seems like ur scumread on me isn't based on thinking of my alignment in some deep thought more generalized view of scummy behavior. So this could be easy to say all this.

Ehhhhhhhh weak weak town. Gonna ignore u for now.

pedit - furtive if u haven't been trolling. I don't know what the hell some of ur posts purpose are for. It seems literally to fuck with people.

Which posts

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I have to do a lot of work to convince myself furitive is town which makes me feel bad for him if he is, since he actually posts in the game. My progression on furitive has been as this:

day 1: he's doing stuff, probably down (oops, in hindsight he hard defended MMR until they crumbled, whatever)
day 2: he's doing nothing and his reads don't feel like they've meaningfully or naturally progressed, feels brittle and made up
day 3: furitive has gained an unwarranted self confidence and his agenda is to kill the lowest activity slots in the game. [minus enchant ig]

i would rather kill toogeloo today if we don't do PPF, but we will do PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

This is a pretty awful interaction, especially as this vote isn't even there anymore.

So questions to furitive:

1. Explain your vote/scumread on me, if you even still have one. To me it looks like you scumread me day 1 for good reason, but as I gained more credibility, you have been afraid to change that for fear of looking inconsistent.
2. Explain your thoughts on PPF. Remember when you posted this one day 1?

6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - strong TR. I think this slot will either become obvtown or get voted out, so I'm not too worried. As in if this slot is scum, they'll just 1) stop posting as much and 2) start treading water.

Damn, you nailed PPF! That's exactly what they're doing! So.... why is it more important that we vote out a lurker?
3. Explain in more detail your scumreads, because as pointed out they are all low activity slots. Ydrasse is scum who has given up? Under what pressure? Scum is doing fine, they only lost one guy on one team.
4. opinion on t-bone?
5. opinion on enchant? What makes enchant different than ydrasse, firebringer, and toogeloo?

1) Thought you were trynna fake towntell with the doomed deathbed talk. I explained it at the time.

2) Yeah the slot hasn't become obvtown. I've repeatedly told that slot to full claim, if we all want to vote them up so that they do I'm happy to.

3) As my reads on you/DDS started trending upward, I looked elsewhere.

4) T-Bone could easily be scum, but not a priority vote. Could easily be town.

5) I forgot Enchant was in the game really. Why haven't they been prodded/replaced?

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VOTE: furtive

I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not,

it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.

It's like you have reads and that's supposed to magically convince everyone that your reads are right without you presenting reasoning for them. The whole game aren't playing badly by being unable to read your mind.

I guess in my own mind the usual scenario is *I vote x scummy player*, *someone else goes "yeah I'd like some pressure here as well" and votes with me*. But instead it's like the more I vote other players, the more people think I'm cult. It makes literally zero sense.

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And you /still/ haven't addressed the thing about Ydrasse, just sidestepped it entirely. It feels very intentional at this point.

I'm not going to read that game. I don't want to. It would be a waste of time. I nearly made a post earlier just to say that I wouldn't read it, but then I didn't. I played in a game with Town Ydrasse. They were low content/memeing in that game as well. It was different. It just was. I know they're not Town in this game. Gladiate us if you want.

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Because you're playing with people who want to actually discuss *why* you have those reads and you're... not doing that

Not sure how to respond to this really. This game hasn't been the most traditional one. Have you 'cased' anyone this game? I don't know how useful that would be.

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Ok I guess our vote will just stay on you then

Put the other one on the phone

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And you /still/ haven't addressed the thing about Ydrasse, just sidestepped it entirely. It feels very intentional at this point.

I'm not going to read that game. I don't want to. It would be a waste of time. I nearly made a post earlier just to say that I wouldn't read it, but then I didn't. I played in a game with Town Ydrasse. They were low content/memeing in that game as well. It was different. It just was. I know they're not Town in this game. Gladiate us if you want.

Then why push FB if you’re more sure on Ydrasse?

Because you and DDS are blocking that vote like a blocker in some kind of sport that I don't watch

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like the mix of troll posting and frustration at not being heard is similar to that game?

fairly

i don't think it's 100% because by the end i feel furtive had given up entirely but it's... adjacent

I take issue with the word 'troll'. 5015 and 5016 are more jokey, but I'm not trolling. It's just a bit of lightness.

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i really thought furtive posting on ydra being scum and the confidence he been saying it was all troll to fuck with ydra. Him confirming he believes it and reaffirms it....wild.

Like this is when i first thought mentally furtive was trolling. It looked like he was purposefully trying to fuck with ydra, and i thought 'this is playful joking, or reaction testing', when nothing seemed to come from it and he didn't follow up. I went "okay so playful joking/trolling" then repeats he very much believes it. Idgi

Ydrasse should have been the shot. I said if there was one player they thought was scum, they said "idk maybe unwnd" and got them killed instead.

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Ok, full claim is in order from PPF.

VOTE: PPF

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furitive do you play text chat mafia?

I play on mafia.gg

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Ok, full claim is in order from PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Why? No one wants to elim her. What good is a claim without reads? I don’t see a reason for a claim when no one wants to elim her but me and scarf.

I will want to eliminate PPF if their claim isn't good, and doesn't confirm them. That's why. If people are townreading PPF based on the claim of confirmability, you have to see whether or not it's real at some point.

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furitive do you play text chat mafia?

I play on mafia.gg

I could tell when you used the phrase filler logs, that's a term from that site. Killing all the low activity slots is a good strategy on that site for town. You catch a lot of scum that way because the average audience is discord teenagers, so when a kiddo rolls scum they either try too hard to fit in, or they talk a lot less. I don't know if it's a good strategy on this site because I don't play on this site a lot.

Here's my secret protip that only works on mafia.gg: when the game starts and everyone is having random conversations, mafia are the people who are replying to topics rather than bringing up new topics. It works much, much better than random.

If you'd played on mafia.gg, you'd know me from my username. What name do you go by over there?

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Ok, full claim is in order from PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Why? No one wants to elim her. What good is a claim without reads? I don’t see a reason for a claim when no one wants to elim her but me and scarf.

I will want to eliminate PPF if their claim isn't good, and doesn't confirm them. That's why. If people are townreading PPF based on the claim of confirmability, you have to see whether or not it's real at some point.

I don't think scarf is dominating as much as you think? I had them as nully scum until the middle of yesterday and then to me, along with unwind who was similar, they Townes it up.

We seem to agree about math.

There's the outstanding question about you being confirmable though, have I missed it?

Are those people you picked out town, or just easier to read? I think CSF is the most town from that list, with t bone, ydrasse and neuh on the 'id like to be town' list

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P-edit sorry, you posted reads! Lemme go look

My reads are more a combination of the two and none of their posts actually make me want to gauge my eyes out with a hot poker.

Well, I was hoping that we would have been checked by Meuh or CSF but that unfortunately didn’t happen. Our role is actually confirmable but only on our death, which is why I won’t claim unless I absolutely have to.

How did you miss this post?

Confirmable on death = every role in a flips on game.

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@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

Claiming your role isn't 'succumbing', it's helping Town by giving us information.

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VT is confirmable on death. I'm confirmable on death ffs.

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It's not a crisis but just a bout of depression. It'll pass quick I hope.

It's not a crisis but just a bout of depression. It'll pass quick I hope.

That’s why it’s an attainable goal that as long as you are making progress towards it in whatever way you see fit.

Same for the other hydra.

I want to see your slots aren’t in “whelp we are gonna die” mode.

Fair. I am in that mode though. The only thing I think that would save us is a mastina clear. I just want to put reads together.

For starters, I think Professor is scum, furtive is scum of the side that knows DDS is not one scum and RR knows we're town.

~Titus

I am going to bed but one last question

You said you’d be confirmable today, are you?

Nancy feels we are and that mastina confirms us. I'm not as certain but we'll be claiming if that's not the case bc it's you and me.
.~Titus

So we posted this how we could possibly be confirmable. People just assumed it would be specifically by claim but we never actually said that.

Explain the link between being checked and being 'confirmable on death', which if I'm understanding correctly just means 'the game has flips on'.

A check gives attunement, which everyone has. So there is no result would confirm you, you would either be possible Lunar or possible Solar.

What am I missing?

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@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

Claiming your role isn't 'succumbing', it's helping Town by giving us information.

What part of it not being confirmable are you not getting?

So that was a lie then.

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@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

Claiming your role isn't 'succumbing', it's helping Town by giving us information.

What part of it not being confirmable are you not getting?

So that was a lie then.

Where did we lie? I said we could hopefully possibly be confirmable today. Neither head said that claiming our role was. Are you being intentionally obtuse here?

Just my previous question then. Meuhstina claimed to get Lunar/Solar alignment, which everyone supposedly has. Neither result would confirm you. So how did you think you would get confirmed by a check?

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Cool, but that could still be an issue for another day. Where me and klick are is: we get a scum flip, we get some night results and it's basically Poe from there. We have a few reads that like, we are fine to reconsider with evidence, but PPF, csf and math are like lock town.

My issue is that you do seem a bit like when I was cult leader. Can you see it a bit from my pov? You have a ton of posts but even though like yeah, we have t cased anyone, our reads are obviously enough that scarf was able to figure out most of them.

.I just want a bit more from you. I also feel like you should have a better read of me?

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@furtive, you asked for me, I spoke, you ignored me! Can we chat about this.

P-edit don't they later shade 'all the votes after...' someone?

Yeah I got the sense that the gamestate seemed to be town talking to each other, and scum just lurking.

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CSF, finish catching up soon and vote someone. I may follow if it's not me

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Hellooooooooo

VOTE: Enchant

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I would not shed a tear if enchant died today. But I also need to wash my pants.

Same with Enchant but we really need to get a Solar soon.

Why? If we assume each scumteam has a kill every other night e.g. Night/Noon, then wiping out an entire team will halve the number of nightkills.

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This game has a lot of players openwolfing/freely being scummy. Town's completely lost control of this one, partly due to some really bad town play. The game is lost basically

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Yeah I don't have a claim for you guys. I'm just gonna call you bad for voting me instead. A few of my voters seem to be claiming to half townread me, idk what that means.

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please don't let this be a game where we keep killing cultists but our wincon is to kill the recruiter

It definitely isn't. Cults are the flavour name for the scumteams.

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Big scum backtrack

Who is this aimed at

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever
Hi cat, how u doing?

What's up FB? Have you been reading along?

Not much, just about to heat up some thanksgiving leftovers.
Ive only been following along since i replaced in. Not gonna read prior to that.

Where u and ur head at right now?

Idk I don't have much confidence in my reads. There's like 5 people who are checked out of the game that it makes it difficult to say with confidence if they're town or scum. I'd guess furtive - whose reason for voting mastina yesterday seemed like bs - and Enchant since Enchant is not that bad at mech and should have known to resolve MMR

Scarf's 5263 pings me the wrong way - he states a good reason to vote furtive but then doesn't?

T-Bone's mastina scumread and sudden change on PPF is interesting. I probably still wouldn't lim there today, because Rat and T-Bone are basically verifying each other's claims, but something to think about

My fake progression on mastina was really good I thought D:

Seriously CSF, what are you doing? In that other Mini Normal you actually had good reads.

[furtiveglance]

Do you think I should be town reading you here? Why?

The way I see myself, to put it slightly metaphorically:

In the typical game of mafia, Mafia play a certain way i.e. avoiding attention and pocketing Town. I am doing the opposite, pushing several slots quite openly and making enemies as a result. Therefore you should be seeing me as the Example Town, with more passive slots who are doing less pushing taking the place of the Example Mafia.

[furtiveglance]

No one is scumreading me, so I can afford to be off wagon if furitive has a scumflip. It's a bit selfish, but more information for me.

Also I prefer toogeloo because I also have the same feeling with PPF where I see where furitive /could/ be town, like how I saw how PPF /could/ be town. Toogeloo is either scum based on their bad actions yesterday or completely useless town, so I am happier getting them out.

As I said before happy to vote Toogeloo. Whichever wagon looks like going through

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtiveglance

I won't pretend to have reasons beyond the weirdness around mastina yesterday, because I don't have any

D_D

What weirdness? I think you nicked this idea from someone else. All I did was townread mastina D1 then panic D2 then townread them again. Why is that scum indicative?

[furtiveglance]

Anyway I've finished furtive's day 1 and 2 posts.

Spoiler: Scummy post

Voting Mastina because they seem more defensive than last game, and their role sounds too useless to be real. And I want us to get past Mastina/unwnd clogging the game up
VOTE: Mastina

Btw this reasoning is pretty damn obviously faked.

It's transparently voting me because he sees the potential for the wagon to go through.

It's not a real stance.

To borrow unwnd's words:
It's a hollow post.

Here's my options for voting: My two biggest townreads (MMR and PPF), Scarf (meh) and I didn't like any of them. I'm fed up of the thread being spammed up (mostly by unwnd more than you really) but I don't want to vote unwnd so it's gonna be you. Also your play this game is different to the cafe. You were posting more about other players in that game, this time it's more about defending yourself.

Also untrue

Biggest mastina apologists are MathBlade/PPF/Furtive (but he's pretending he wasn't)/Yume

But I think Yume is just being pocketed

As for this one, my read changed. I'm not trying to rewrite history, I never said I never townread Mastina. I opposed the vote on Mastina yesterday, and I think I made a mistake.

(1) I think the reasoning behind the mastina vote is a bit flimsy ("fed up with her spamming")

(2) Ctrl + f for mastina in furtive's ISO makes it quite clear that he was townreading mastina, 2030 is just one example... did he forget his townread on mastina?

Then his progression on MMR was also weird; there's basically no lead up to 4199.

Spoiler:

unwnd is obvious town, this is unashamed omgus ^

Sorry for heckling. I've reached the point where I think the only thing that will help the gamestate is eliminating mastina, and I think the game will get a lot more enjoyable after that happens (just because a lot of the spam is either by mastina or about her). I also think mastina is scum, because there won't be 2 Astrologers and I believe MMR more.

Just to be clear: does anyone think Mastina/MMR could both be their claimed roles? I don't.

I don't either. I'm inclined to believe mastina more because she gave more info, was consistent about it, and did it first, but there's no way both of their roles exist as claimed.

Ok but why would MMR, as scum, fakeclaim the same role as someone else, forcing them into a 1v1? Surely they would claim a different role?

Mastina, DDS, Ydrasse, Firebringer, T-Bone. At least 3 in there.

I feel bad for Rubella wow. This content is not good enough, not even close, from a player who seems to be in conflict with 2 other players. I just want to move the game past this now.

VOTE: MMR

'This content is not good enough, not even close, from a player who seems to be in conflict with 2 other players.' -- MMR's posting was very meh the entire day, so for that to suddenly make a difference enough to vote MMR is hard to understand.

One thing is that he's been consistently pushing quieter slots and tr'ing the active ones basically all game, which is where my reads are ending up right now, but it's also easier for scum to just push slots that are less active.

Some minor things lead me to think furtive is more likely to flip Solar than Lunar (the vote on MMR feels weird for a bus, and furtive was kinda pushing DDS on day 1), but tbh I can also see MMR telling his buddies to bus him after that disaster claim

tl;dr I could compromise on furtive

1) You weren't in the game for the mastina/unwnd spam contest, it was making the game hard to play

2) You literally quoted a post in which I explained that my read changed.

3) There was a delay in me recognising MMR's scumminess because that's just human nature really. Yes their posting was bad all day, but I can only see that towards the end of the day.

[furtiveglance]

Radical Rat might have the worst vote on me, they should probably get voted despite their doc claim if alive tomorrow

[furtiveglance]

I don't have reason to sheep your reads poat-death because you haven't explained anything, and the last few times you 'solved' a game you weren't accurate enough to justify sheeping.

Which games

[furtiveglance]

Don't remember

Ok. Just vote me out, call me bad, ignore my reads and lose then.

[furtiveglance]

Is this emotion?

The only emotion I feel is frustration

[furtiveglance]

D;

[furtiveglance]

Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.

Likely Solar traitor crumb.

You are literally a genius level player for this observation. Breathtaking insight. I'm dumbfounded that I was caught this easily. I apologise to my Solar teammates, MathBlade was just too good for us

[furtiveglance]

I’m seriously trying to figure that out and it’s driving me nuts that I don’t know that. You can believe that or not but that’s why I was asking. I don’t understand the reasoning for the wagons but I agree with Fire that furtive’s likely town here.

Thank. If I live today I will up the effort.

[furtiveglance]

When did I say I wouldn't claim? Pretty sure Scarf lied in 5381. As you will all see, I was confirmable on death, which is such a real ability that you will all now see and confirm my alignment. Some really inconceivably good plays this game Town, really well done

[furtiveglance]

Inb4 “But guys I just said I didn’t have a claim! That doesn’t mean I wasn’t gonna claim later, smh… you’re all throwing”
Scarf’s interpretation of that post is far from outlandish, that was also my main takeaway from that sentence.

I thought that was a pretty obvious VT claim - I don't have a power role to claim. I didn't say I was refusing to claim or anything...but yeah doesn't matter now

[furtiveglance]

Wow this town is so bad, lost game, I've solved it already, just sheep my reads gg.

Is this the secret to playing a good town game

We'll see who was right

[furtiveglance]

Wow this town is so bad, lost game, I've solved it already, just sheep my reads gg.

Is this the secret to playing a good town game

We'll see who was right

PS how did you know I was town

[furtiveglance]

I'm just going to wait patiently for MegA to give us a flip

I can give you a flip...with my hand haha

[furtiveglance]

I'm going based off your twilight posting, it's not actually that common for people to troll twilight as scum.

Are you someone who would troll twilight as scum?

What do you think I'm doing right now

[furtiveglance]

When did I say I wouldn't claim? Pretty sure Scarf lied in 5381. As you will all see, I was confirmable on death, which is such a real ability that you will all now see and confirm my alignment. Some really inconceivably good plays this game Town, really well done

Yeah I don't have a claim for you guys. I'm just gonna call you bad for voting me instead. A few of my voters seem to be claiming to half townread me, idk what that means.

though you look like you're shitposting here. confirmable on death is you making fun of ppf, right?

Damn you're smart. Confirmable on death is just a way of saying not confirmable??? Who would have thunk it?

[furtiveglance]

This has been my favourite part of the game which says a lot. I'll stop posting now, to prevent more suckers TMIing me as Town while voting me.

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: This was my best towngame ever

Hello unwnd from mafiascum do you want to vibe instead of engage with this stuff

pls do not vibe with mafia unwnd

Mastina, DDS, Ydrasse, Firebringer, T-Bone. At least 3 in there.

MathBlast Ydrasse thanks

Hot take unwnd is scum and mastina was right

This is surely a scum contribution

Kill Firebringer, and break unwnd's heart

Oh wow I was right. Scum Vig anyone? Could explain early claim, no death and bad kill?

Kill was necessary I explained why and my TRs agreed

Is *Ydrasse* a townread of yours?

VOTE: Ydrasse

This is where I want my vote, I think.

VOTE: Ydrasse

Bit of momentum on a given up scum slot

i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum

My reads are actually good this game

i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

@furtiveglance

viewtopic.php?t=89363&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Give this a read-through. If your argument is that Ydrasse is scum because she wouldn't 'set the bar' this low as town, I believe this game is a counterexample.

I'm not necessarily arguing that this is a case for her being *town*, but I do believe it provides an alternative to the worldview you've stated where you think she's just given up scum.

I played with Town Ydrasse. This is not it

(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

Basically this. I've seen town!furtive engage like this before but I've got no issue seeing this as scum!furtive trying to imitate that energy

Yeah I have been highly uninteractive with my reads. I feel detached from the whole game. People aren't listening to me, and I'm right. Mathblade is dominating the game and it's bad for town because their reads (if they're town) are bad. So yeah. I just want to vote out Firebringer Toog and Ydrasse really. If you guys are saying no to Ydrasse then vote Firebringer instead.

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: furtive

I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.

Ok, full claim is in order from PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Radical Rat might have the worst vote on me, they should probably get voted despite their doc claim if alive tomorrow

Wow this town is so bad, lost game, I've solved it already, just sheep my reads gg.

Is this the secret to playing a good town game

We'll see who was right

When did I say I wouldn't claim? Pretty sure Scarf lied in 5381. As you will all see, I was confirmable on death, which is such a real ability that you will all now see and confirm my alignment. Some really inconceivably good plays this game Town, really well done

Yeah I don't have a claim for you guys. I'm just gonna call you bad for voting me instead. A few of my voters seem to be claiming to half townread me, idk what that means.

though you look like you're shitposting here. confirmable on death is you making fun of ppf, right?

Damn you're smart. Confirmable on death is just a way of saying not confirmable??? Who would have thunk it?

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: This was my best towngame ever

Hello unwnd from mafiascum do you want to vibe instead of engage with this stuff

pls do not vibe with mafia unwnd

Mastina, DDS, Ydrasse, Firebringer, T-Bone. At least 3 in there.

MathBlast Ydrasse thanks

Hot take unwnd is scum and mastina was right

This is surely a scum contribution

Kill Firebringer, and break unwnd's heart

Oh wow I was right. Scum Vig anyone? Could explain early claim, no death and bad kill?

Kill was necessary I explained why and my TRs agreed

Is *Ydrasse* a townread of yours?

VOTE: Ydrasse

This is where I want my vote, I think.

VOTE: Ydrasse

Bit of momentum on a given up scum slot

i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum

My reads are actually good this game

i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

@furtiveglance

viewtopic.php?t=89363&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Give this a read-through. If your argument is that Ydrasse is scum because she wouldn't 'set the bar' this low as town, I believe this game is a counterexample.

I'm not necessarily arguing that this is a case for her being *town*, but I do believe it provides an alternative to the worldview you've stated where you think she's just given up scum.

I played with Town Ydrasse. This is not it

(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

Basically this. I've seen town!furtive engage like this before but I've got no issue seeing this as scum!furtive trying to imitate that energy

Yeah I have been highly uninteractive with my reads. I feel detached from the whole game. People aren't listening to me, and I'm right. Mathblade is dominating the game and it's bad for town because their reads (if they're town) are bad. So yeah. I just want to vote out Firebringer Toog and Ydrasse really. If you guys are saying no to Ydrasse then vote Firebringer instead.

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: furtive

I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.

Ok, full claim is in order from PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Radical Rat might have the worst vote on me, they should probably get voted despite their doc claim if alive tomorrow

Wow this town is so bad, lost game, I've solved it already, just sheep my reads gg.

Is this the secret to playing a good town game

We'll see who was right

When did I say I wouldn't claim? Pretty sure Scarf lied in 5381. As you will all see, I was confirmable on death, which is such a real ability that you will all now see and confirm my alignment. Some really inconceivably good plays this game Town, really well done

Yeah I don't have a claim for you guys. I'm just gonna call you bad for voting me instead. A few of my voters seem to be claiming to half townread me, idk what that means.

though you look like you're shitposting here. confirmable on death is you making fun of ppf, right?

Damn you're smart. Confirmable on death is just a way of saying not confirmable??? Who would have thunk it?

Most of the Ydrasse stuff was from when they were town

Were they town when MathBlade shot unwnd?

[furtiveglance]

I believe that was Dusk 2 so yes. They were recruited the night after.

Lol. bad read then

[furtiveglance]

Astral Ghost is such a cool role, it made me so mad when town just re-smoked prof

[furtiveglance]

Your reads were still really good furtive sorry about the mislim

That day when unwnd got smoked and I got voted was just...

But it's fine we won in the end

[furtiveglance]

Wow this town is so bad, lost game, I've solved it already, just sheep my reads gg.

Is this the secret to playing a good town game

This was a fair comment and quite funny, but I had kind of given up at that point

[furtiveglance]

This game was long, 91 days, which makes it 1 day longer than Lost and therefore the longest game I've been in.

Setup was cool, I think it was fairly balanced.

Town consensus lost its way at times but got there in the end.

Good game everyone