Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Gimli]

hello friends lets mafia

[Gimli]

VOTE: gimli

Never trust a dwarf !

VOTE: redFF

oh my god you suck

[Gimli]

Hi everyone. I'm new here, but not really new to Mafia. I haven't played in a long time so I'll have to relearn some things. GL all!

hello welcome to mafiascum don't mind the mess

[Gimli]

hahahaha FOOLS

You scum know not what you are dealing with. Prepare to face the wrath of Mistyx the Mighty, carrier of villages, ender of scum! Tremble before me!

I wanna townread this, can I townread this?

[Gimli]

what 'what'. are you freezed up scum, furtive?

[Gimli]

ah

black made a joke on red's joke of never trusting dwarves. since dwarves are a race, 'never trust dwarves' is essentially racist. if dwarves were real.

[Gimli]

this is the color game
black
red
ugh, yeah there's those two. and there's fire(bringer), and we all know fire is red

[Gimli]

Hi everyone. I'm new here, but not really new to Mafia. I haven't played in a long time so I'll have to relearn some things. GL all!

hello welcome to mafiascum don't mind the mess

Thanks! I was pleasantly surprised when I stumbled here and saw how active it is

<3

it is a fun and warming place until it's kinda... not, but by that time you're already addicted and burnt out from playing at the same time, it's a vibe.

[Gimli]

ok

I am freezed up can you thaw me out

I'm not helping scum

[Gimli]

furtive do you have strong reads you wanna share?

[Gimli]

VOTE: furtive

[Gimli]

furtive do you have strong reads you wanna share?

After 1 page ?

I want to feel how frozen up this furtive's early start really is so I threw a stupid question in his direction

his answer was still rigid as ice so I'm thinking he is still >rand mafia

and I play mafia very stupidly so bare with me please

[Gimli]

hahahaha FOOLS

You scum know not what you are dealing with. Prepare to face the wrath of Mistyx the Mighty, carrier of villages, ender of scum! Tremble before me!

I wanna townread this, can I townread this?

Why are you townreading it?

I'm not townreading it yet, I asked permission

but it's that early firey thing that I associate with being town, you know

also hi baltar sorry for pairs mafia

[Gimli]

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I like this from ari, I think it's towny on an otherwise readless state of affairs (page 3)

[Gimli]

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I misread this as Fire spamming the word DATISI initially

I don't wanna be too focused furtive, but I'm concerned with the level of fluff not going down at any point, I think it makes it easy for mafia and he is posting too much but nothing is game advancing content.

[Gimli]

I'm hyped for this playerlist let's goo

VOTE: Aristeia

hi fire from lycan how are you

was this RVS vote or did it have a read attached to it?

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Morning Tweet voting unvoting and voting again in the same post feels performative.

maybe but I think it was a good post

[Gimli]

the game has been open for less than 6 hours

no I think town furtive would drop a read or two by that point. there's game advancing content all over. IDK I don't like it

[Gimli]

I agree with Petapan, but I don't necessarily think it's a scum tell. I've been guilty of trying to move past the early game joke phase in this way before

peta hates content

[Gimli]

are you sure you need to put on so much armor? your horse looks like it's dying under the weight.

we dwarves are natural riders don't you worry about it mlady

edit: no man she is talking to me. she is not?

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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!"

my goodness...

[Gimli]

VOTE: gimli

Serious (non racially motivated) vote

thanks for not being racist

[Gimli]

UNVOTE: redFF

I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.

Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive

two things

I know furtive and I know he goes hard early as town. this is uncharacteristic I promise you.

out of all top posters he is the only one who didn't drop a single read in those pages when other people were doing that. he was ignoring the mafia playing parts of the conversation.

check his ISO to see for yourself

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I will say the "reads" other posters were making came across as jokes to me. Is a joke read better than no read at all?

neither ari nor morning tweet's posts wrt firebringer felt like complete jokes to me, or there's an element of it that's inside the game and not NAI fluff anyway.

like, am I reading too much into it? yes, but you know.

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UNVOTE: redFF

I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.

Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive

two things

I know furtive and I know he goes hard early as town. this is uncharacteristic I promise you.

out of all top posters he is the only one who didn't drop a single read in those pages when other people were doing that. he was ignoring the mafia playing parts of the conversation.

check his ISO to see for yourself

You have examples of furtive going hard early?

watch furtive replacing into this game
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=23&t=90243&user_select%5B%5D=36433
and this one
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=90239&user_select%5B%5D=36433
and this brilliant showing
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90287&user_select%5B%5D=36433

I don't see that guy just coming in here and not making a read. I never saw him play as mafia before so IDK what to expect but maybe this is it?

okay. I wanna stop talking about this subject for now but ask me anything

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It didn't feel uncharacteristic of Morning Tweet's personality to me
Like I think MT does it to amuse herself more than anything

i would also like to point out to the crowd that MT vote and suspicion on me is serious as stated by herself.
Klick characterization of it doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. So he either isn't paying attention or just looking for ways to call it town because he knows MT is town.

I don't think klick isn't paying attention. I think klick sees town MT voting me and is like "yeah gonna call MT town here while pretending to be solving" and doesn't actually perform the town analysis he would do.

Also I think town klick would have called me out on page 2-3 to be serious and he didn't. Low level analysis equals scum klick.

Wow i am actually super confident in this.

I best not try hard to omuch this early or i will wear myself out.
Back to shit posting.

hi mr firebringer can I sheep your reads?

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watch furtive replacing into this game
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=23&t=90243&user_select%5B%5D=36433
and this one
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=90239&user_select%5B%5D=36433
and this brilliant showing
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90287&user_select%5B%5D=36433

I don't see that guy just coming in here and not making a read. I never saw him play as mafia before so IDK what to expect but maybe this is it?

okay. I wanna stop talking about this subject for now but ask me anything

are you seriously posting two 1000+ post replace ins as a comp to this game

do you not have an inkling of why his play might be different between the two

I mean. that's my experience with furtive. we never played from scratch a completed game yet. I can't post anything that's ongoing, so this is what I have.

[Gimli]

yeah? you think it's scummy?

[Gimli]

I'm fine spending my entire d1 responding things about furtive, he is one of my favorites

speaking of which, he kinda disappeared after page 4, didn't he. I think he is more active than that in general.

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I kind of think Gimli believes in what he's saying even if I'm not really feeling his furtive push

hi CSF, we meet again

[Gimli]

cakez taly gut town

i don't really like vp's posts so far it seems like he's just trying to cast doubt on standing reads without providing any of his own

VOTE: VP Baltar

agreed
VOTE: VPB

[Gimli]

VPB is another player I'm half expecting to go hard and play faster than whatever he did so far

here he is asking things but not progressing or talking to people, it's odd

[Gimli]

VPB is another player I'm half expecting to go hard and play faster than whatever he did so far

here he is asking things but not progressing or talking to people, it's odd

your fervence with the furtive Sr and wagon on VP feel misaligned

my fervence?

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I'm fine spending my entire d1 responding things about furtive, he is one of my favorites

speaking of which, he kinda disappeared after page 4, didn't he. I think he is more active than that in general.

I was out

I would say I have a life but I was just playing mafia IRL so eh

Yeah there was no content to go off so I just posted randomly

It is what I usually do

hi that's cute

I never played mafia IRL

did you rand scum rl? how does it feel to lie to people's faces?

also I'd like to have someone to bounce reads off of since I don't know much of the playerlist

[Gimli]

Strength

You thought page 1 posting was equivalent to replace out games

there's a big difference between what you know of a player and the things you are allowed to link about that player

[Gimli]

also strength =/= the other thing you said. I'm not sure I get it. you're saying I'm supposed to be scumreading VPB more than furtive? I mean, it's not the same player, I don't expect the same things. but I have one game with baltar, in pairs mafia, and his d1 pre-dance whatever was fair there as town. but idk much else about him.

[Gimli]

hum...

Is an MT wagon justified Gimli?

I'm not drawing a proper read from MTs posts. I think his first reactions to fire felt good (the 'performative' post) and it mirrored some things I thought about fire, like when he started to pivot from scumclaiming it felt awkward. other than that IDK. I think ari's treatment of the slot is towny.

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the timing is just odd to me gimli

You seemed confident with reasoning on furtive scum but switched to a mobile wagon

confident is a big word

[Gimli]

how do you describe it then

I'm not confidently scumreading furtive. I didn't vibe with his early posts, he felt different from what I know of him, I explained many times in different manners, and the reason I keep talking about it is because it's become a point people tag and ask like you're doing now.

[Gimli]

Gimli - seems like villager playing rvs based on furtive push. In general the whole thing just screams a villager trying to find some footing into the game.
The honesty behind his question being bad and him playing mafia in a stupid way is likely villager indicative.
With this in mind I think 153 screams villager brain as he seems too caught up in what he's currently doing to realize that what he is saying is just completely asinine.

town points for you townreading me while insulting me

what about VP you think is towny in the way he is engaging with the thread? he feels a little detached actually

I like your other comments cause you're reading people from peculiar angles that I think is more likely to come from town, some of them going directly against thread consensus like townreading klick's #184

I feel that, wrt that post, klick has gotten scumread by people assuming #184 was sort of a townread (myself included even though I didn't post anything about it), but after their explanation I understand it wasn't so, and I like how they're reacting to pressure.

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I don't really see how Fire got Klick thinks MT is town from Klick's 184 so like I disagree with the premise of the push entirely. I'm not going to say I don't understand where he is coming from because I think I can but I feel like that alone isn't enough for me personally

yeah. that.

[Gimli]

I also like a lot of black's posts

[Gimli]

CSF has good takes and I'm tentatively townreading them

[Gimli]

ali/ari/black/fire is my early towncore, I may or may not expand on why I'm reading all these people as towny in a bit

I think furtive has been alright but not enough for me to townread him... yet, I expect that to change one way or another in the following days

I'm not sure if I understood taly's point of view with regards to me moving to baltar when I was seemingly scumreading furtive 'confidently', I don't know if that works as a dissonance or how that read formed, but she's also been the one asking me about other players and helping me move my content from that point to other game advancing points so, I liked that. I also feel they've been firey in general and interacting a lot with the thread in a way I perceive as towny just trying to work the game out. so maybe taly should be in the towncore as well but, let the potato rest on this read for a couple of hours.

I like what CSF posted so far in terms of agreeing with their stances, but they're not hard things to point out as a wolf so they're still kind of a null read.

the rest is null-ish, except that I don't like baltar's lack of involvement and I don't like redFF, I think his content is a dumpster fire so far and he is orbiting around scumreading me for my furtive stances, seems like an easy thing to do just coasting on the sidelines and fixating on an apparently logical scumread while being completely detached from the game otherwise

VOTE: redFF

[Gimli]

gnight

[Gimli]

what do you think of redFF, fruit vengeance?

[Gimli]

please call me gimbo

[Gimli]

@black as the game progresses, my reads go to different places. do you want me to still talk about furtive's early play?

[Gimli]

@black as the game progresses, my reads go to different places. do you want me to still talk about furtive's early play?

No, I think you have said enough there. Could you maybe provide some insight on why you think red is a better vote than furtive or VPB?

I just said why, I think redFF is scummy. my reads on these other players are related to thread activity and, in furtive's case can be explained by mood. my read on FF is that the way he is engaging with the thread is scummy because he hasn't done anything and what he did was a bad read that was repeated by half the game.

[Gimli]

Sorry I zoned out of this game and there's a lot of pages to read now, I'll pretty much do it later

[Gimli]

hi I feel extremely burnt out, this just isn't a good game size for me rn.

ugh Fire and Ari are actually making good points
im moving my vote this post pinged me a bit ago

Sorry I zoned out of this game and there's a lot of pages to read now, I'll pretty much do it later

this feels like scum worried about being pushed for not posting

VOTE: gimli

was someone pushing me?

[Gimli]

This one thinks Radiance's Infected likely includes Black, Baltar, Sir of the Cakez and the Furtive One.
This one isn't saying why, isn't even sure whether they will! This one is tired. Maybe later this will explain? Maybe not.

You can vote here still.

I'm just not sure if this is bad scum play or bad town play

knowing asri's main I think that's how they speak, just weird and riddled and potatoes. had them as null when I was still paying attention to this, and I don't think the post I'm quoting means anything wrt their alignment

big nothingburger just to say you (vp and black) might be scumreading something that's player personality and not alignment indicative

[Gimli]

ari vs cakez feel like TvT, I get the impression both are genuinely upset and frustrated and missing each other POVs

[Gimli]

yeah I think there's opportunistic scum in cakez wagon and I have no idea how people can actually be scumreading cakez outside of ari

[Gimli]

VOTE: sircakez
I buy ari's meta read and i was gonna vote last night but wanted to see what he came back to the thread with. He's reading like frustrated scum. And the jump on ari for "no content" was arbitrary, feels like he coulda picked a number of people to go at for no content.

this is a bunch of red flags

are we still wagoning redFF? cause maybe we should be

"cakez is frustrated, I wanna read that he is scummy for it, I'll call him frustrated scum"

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VOTE: VPB

I'm going back to this. I don't like how they're treating asri, it feels like wanting to read asri's weirdness as scummy things when they're just being obtuse, which I think is more like a towny style to be posting reads without explaining and then going 'i dont want to explain them' etc

I misread VPB quite horribly in pairs mafia in many parts of that game, but he was actually incredibly towny throughout and I'm just horrible at the game, so. but this time he does feel slimy for real

[Gimli]

and I can go redFF at any time as well just say the word fellas

[Gimli]

VOTE: VPB

I'm going back to this. I don't like how they're treating asri, it feels like wanting to read asri's weirdness as scummy things when they're just being obtuse, which I think is more like a towny style to be posting reads without explaining and then going 'i dont want to explain them' etc

I misread VPB quite horribly in pairs mafia in many parts of that game, but he was actually incredibly towny throughout and I'm just horrible at the game, so. but this time he does feel slimy for real

I'm giving a pass to black doing the same thing cause it feels more like evaluating and not really jumping to conclusions

[Gimli]

Gimli, you scum ?

I'm town

you think I'm scummy?

[Gimli]

Black who is your main suspect don't say me

I'm still not confident in any of my reads but if the day ended right now I would vote you or Aristeia

not aristeia though

[Gimli]

should I be strong TRing petapan? maybe

ali/ari/black/cakez/fire/peta?/taly all town

I may have forgotten someone

new names in this: cakez, just too genuine speaking his mind, rolling with the thread flow and interacting in a way I think is very town indicative

peta, I like the VPB push, I think VPB looks bad in those exchanges as well, and I like the way he is evaluating me re: confident but potato read on furtive. I think it's progressing well from a tentative townread to scumpool since I didn't do anything so, it makes sense.

[Gimli]

Gimli, you scum ?

I'm town

you think I'm scummy?

I don't understand your vote on me. I don't really think my play this game is different from pairs other than I'm trying not to get over sunk on reads like I did with Shea because that was bad.

You think I'm really being unreasonable by pushing asri to answer very basic questions? How else am I supposed to understand their alignment?

ah, I mean questioning is one thing, scumreading is different. do you think it's more of a towny or a scummy thing to do, being obtuse about your reads the way asri is playing? I think scums tend to explain more or try to appear towny. I'm not townreading asri per se with this, I'm just saying it feels like a weak push on a weird slot that's gonna be scumread for personality reasons not alignment reasons

[Gimli]

that argument with shea was the thing I kept coming back to and thinking 'how is it possible that VPB is town and had all that shit show with TSQ'

but like idk, you were SO TOWNY in pairs mafia. I understand that this isn't a game where the mechanics allow you to look towny like pairs early game but I still don't feel you in this game and I felt you many times in that game

[Gimli]

granted I haven't read like 10 pages of this and probably won't

[Gimli]

SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon

[Gimli]

ah, I mean questioning is one thing, scumreading is different. do you think it's more of a towny or a scummy thing to do, being obtuse about your reads the way asri is playing? I think scums tend to explain more or try to appear towny. I'm not townreading asri per se with this, I'm just saying it feels like a weak push on a weird slot that's gonna be scumread for personality reasons not alignment reasons

asri's posts are making my eyes bleed though, and he late joined the cakez wagon so IDK, maybe you're right maybe I'm a potato

god I hate mafia

[Gimli]

VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

[Gimli]

not aristeia though

Could you elaborate on your TR of Ari?

oh certainly, it started from her early treatment of firebringer and it only felt like town throughout the rest. it's one of my strongest townreads. notice how ari is reading into firebringer's theatrics, that I'm sure must scum will try not to engage in any serious manner because it's dangerous shit (and the main reason why I started growing suspicious of furtive, since he maintained a sort of 'rvs' stance when these things were happening), and then she starts actually scumreading fire... and the reasoning is sound, that the level of detail was actually a >rand thing to have actually happened.

then there's the treatment of MT, the 'performative' read, and then like... I missed a lot of posts in this game but then her recent interactions and scumread of sircakez makes a lot of sense from her POV. ari and ali and taly are my strongest TRs in this game.

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VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

I don't dislike the Lycan wagon as much as I do the Cakez one or Mistyxx one

vote for an actual scumread of yours

I think lycan didn't do anything scummy and it's a LHF slot, so I don't like that you're voting there cause it feels like you're testing waters. I know you're probably just being town and trying to go to a place that feels good but since you just voted CSF this gave me pause

[Gimli]

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

[Gimli]

Gimli. None of my scumreads are popular

it's not your towngame if they were

but hey I'm listening. I told you I wanna play ball with someone I know. who are you scumreading? sorry I haven't really been here have I

[Gimli]

VOTE: redff

[Gimli]

What do you mean he's LHF??? Where's thjat coming from? He's *suspicious*. That's the word I would use. You're using LHF like a total buzzword he is NOT LHF i will NOT concede this point he is playing ODD

maybe

what's the case on lycan? give me bullet points

[Gimli]

alisae? why?

[Gimli]

Had to get out of treadmill just to say this re: hoods

They are not to be hidden from the main thread, unless very specific circumstances. Outing it isnt towny but it's protown. The number of wolves and townies in the hood is not to be speculated. Yes they can all be town. Yes they can all be scum and there's nothing bastard about an all scum hood.

[Gimli]

Yes they can all be scum and there's nothing bastard about an all scum hood.

Really? Seems kinda bastard if you ask me. What's the point of an all scum hood?

The wine in front of me

[Gimli]

I think lycan didn't do anything scummy and it's a LHF slot, so I don't like that you're voting there cause it feels like you're testing waters. I know you're probably just being town and trying to go to a place that feels good but since you just voted CSF this gave me pause

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

these two ideas don't really go together

The slot =/= the player

Lycan isn't a lhf player, but since he is potatoing a D1 filled with tryhards, he becomes a comfortable place to push. I think we should leave him alone for now and I have seen many townies play exactly like he is here and get piled on and then people are amazed they were actually just not finding their place in the game yet

[Gimli]

i will say redff's vote on cakez was kind of classically scummy, not enough for me to vote him for it but if people want to wagon him it's fine

Nice

I like you in this game peta

[Gimli]

peta is usually nicer in newbie games because he wants to be a good ambassador for the site.

I don't think he's been salty in general this game either.

I think he is kinda grumpy but I read that vibe as towny giving shit to people he thinks aren't thinking correctly

[Gimli]

this is JOVIAL?

[Gimli]

I think firebringer's read on furtive is right in general buuuut idk if it works so well with furtive

he might have a tendency to be in his own little world of solving as a townie but I have a hutch he does replicate some of that as scum

I don't think he's been anywhere near as antagonistic wrt reads here as he was in pairs mafia. some of his SRs are actually quite universally accepted with a few oddballs

[Gimli]

You stole my way of saying Noted? Noted

You were the first person in history to say Noted? Noted

noted that you're all noteding it

[Gimli]

I think firebringer's read on furtive is right in general buuuut idk if it works so well with furtive

he might have a tendency to be in his own little world of solving as a townie but I have a hutch he does replicate some of that as scum

I don't think he's been anywhere near as antagonistic wrt reads here as he was in pairs mafia. some of his SRs are actually quite universally accepted with a few oddballs

That game was unique because my slot and my partner's slot were bizarrely under pressure even though were obvtown

I wish I knew you better to hard defend you cause I sure as hell knew mariaR was town.

but like I don't think you're being all that antagonistic wave firebringer is vibing off of you, that's my point. I don't expect you to just go with the flow as scum here either. you'd do LAMIST things to get townread surely.

[Gimli]

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

what the hell

[Gimli]

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

This one agrees! Busy work was all this one saw, and a lot of 'how can you!'

Nothing that impressed this one, sadly.

this is an alarming interaction

[Gimli]

mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess

redFF has just gained partner equity with mistyx just for this, and with asri for their weird af interaction. I'm happy w my vote.

[Gimli]

was someone pushing me?

no but there is going to be very soon with your current play

I've been defending you

[Gimli]

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

[Gimli]

SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon

how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?

big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like

[Gimli]

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocket

okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of it

[Gimli]

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me

okay you do you

but let me go back to this question: do you think your wagon has scum in it? if yes, who?

[Gimli]

every time I read a CSF post I'm just like okay
that got posted

i never get any feels of town motivation or genuineness behind them they feel very perfunctory

been thinking this more and more as the day progresses

[Gimli]

also agree with there probably being scum in csf/red/asri

[Gimli]

are you trying to buddy me? wtf you keep making posts like this to me

yes I'm trying to buddy you. is it working?

[Gimli]

you're funny

[Gimli]

like again

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

this is possibly the scummiest post in the game

you live in an alternate reality.

I think your wagon is suspicious, I think there's scum in it. I happen to think you're town, meaning you're on my side, meaning I get to defend you from the wolves piling onto your wagon. IDK, maybe that's scummy, I have no clue how that's your perspective out of all the players itg, but okay.

[Gimli]

IDK if cakez' push on me now is towny

[Gimli]

it's a bit too over the top

[Gimli]

red gimli are like

both obvious w/w and obviously not w/w

and its so weird to read into

a real paradox

[Gimli]

I'm retracting my sircakez townread

[Gimli]

Spoiler: gimli at cakez

was someone pushing me?

no but there is going to be very soon with your current play

I've been defending you

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me

okay you do you

but let me go back to this question: do you think your wagon has scum in it? if yes, who?

Gimli feels a bit extra betrayed here, it sort of feels like scum who knows the cakez wagon is off but then cakez goes at him anyway and it's like WHAT. I guess that was an obvious possible conclusion that's already been brought up though. The "I've been defending you." post doesn't exactly sit right

SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon

how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?

big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like

Something about this "It's pointless to be examining me when there's 4 people voting for you" feels not true, like you're implying Cakez having a suspicion on you can't exist with cakez also suspecting ppl wagoning him. But can't he do both? It's not like suspecting you closes off the possibility of there being scum on the wagon.

Also, of course, ditto on the "It could be 6 townies yes" point as well

why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocket

okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of it

I guess this is the heart of the issue. Are you really implying because 6 ppl are voting Cakez, then him expressing a suspicion on you is strange? It doesn't feeel that weird. But I'm willing to hear more about this

I think defending myself is pointless cause this is all dumb but I'll note one thing: the "I've been defending you" bit is to cakez saying what I'm posting is gonna get me scumread. Note that he was throwing shade at me already with the "this is scum who is afraid he'll be scumread for lack of posting" bit, I ask him who's scumreading me and he says that. So I point to cakez, like, what I've been doing since that post, and yes I do think it's absolutely nuts that he doesn't have the intuition to check on his wagon first before throwing random shit at me.

But I don't feel that interaction is "weird", I've come to terms that cakez might be scum, there's scum bussing him which is why I was alarmed by the wagon, which is also why my instinct was to defend him and townread him. It's dumb but it's how I was reading the game before.

I think it was CSF who showed cakez' poor progression on Ari, from scumreading to admitting poor understanding of her posts, to scumreading again. I felt his position wrt me was similarly unidimensional now, cause it went from throwing shade due to my self aware inactivity to throwing more shade and flat out call me open wolfing!! For thinking there's scum in his wagon and it being a weird wagon.

[Gimli]

This one feels Gimli is fine, Tweeter of the Morn.

[Gimli]

Imma reflect on this. I still do not like Gimli presuming scum on Cakez wagon it feels a little manipulative (like in 1486 it feels like you're making this up to justify why it's ridiculous for Cakez to come at you while you're defending him)

I'm gonna respond to this point cause I think it makes sense for me to interject re: 'making up' a reason to suspect cakez' wagon as a justification. IDK how much attention you're giving to my previous posts but I spoke a fair amount about how I disliked it, and me talking to cakez about it was repeating arguments I've already made:

Spoiler: my comments about cakez' wagon before interacting with cakez

yeah I think there's opportunistic scum in cakez wagon and I have no idea how people can actually be scumreading cakez outside of ari

VOTE: sircakez
I buy ari's meta read and i was gonna vote last night but wanted to see what he came back to the thread with. He's reading like frustrated scum. And the jump on ari for "no content" was arbitrary, feels like he coulda picked a number of people to go at for no content.

this is a bunch of red flags

are we still wagoning redFF? cause maybe we should be

"cakez is frustrated, I wanna read that he is scummy for it, I'll call him frustrated scum"

SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon

I've not much else to add and don't want to extend this conversation

[Gimli]

I just want to say I was townreading cakez before it was cool

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

I've read the cakes wall a few times and I don't think it's really significantly AI. If anything it might even lean a bit scum indicative because I think he would be more frustrated to be voted out on D1 again as scum so soon after getting yeeted on d1 as scum earlier in a previous game. I recognize that my own bias here might be coloring this view.

I still think Cakes is mafia but even if he is, the upset feelings and frustrations he has are real and I don't feel great about causing him this kind of emotional duress. Mafia is just a game and I want him to have fun here.

I might re-vote you by the end of the day if I find nothing better to do and I hope you feel better about playing the game later.

you think he is even more likely to be scum and you're saying you'll vote him again so this unvote is nothing, you're not making cakez feel any better lol

[Gimli]

I read it as performatic like that early MT's post you said was performatic but I'm still townreading you so I guess this is whatever

[Gimli]

you think he is even more likely to be scum and you're saying you'll vote him again so this unvote is nothing, you're not making cakez feel any better lol

I'm willing to be convinced to vote elsewhere. I don't think there's really anything I can do to make him feel better except giving him some space like he wants.

I think we should compromise with redFF today

[Gimli]

VOTE: ActionDan

[Gimli]

Okay 5 more to go

Spoiler: List

Alisae

removed by fb

Taly*

removed by furtive

Morning Tweet

removed by black

ActionDan
Mistyx
redFF
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
Asri Teroka

take out firebringer

[Gimli]

wait

lmao

[Gimli]

I don't want to do flip dan

[Gimli]

I do think his wagon looks nice

I invite his wagon to flip redFF instead VOTE: redff

[Gimli]

I'm not flipping misty either

[Gimli]

cakez AtE was kinda scummy too wasn't it

[Gimli]

VOTE: sircakez

[Gimli]

fire/cakez/????/????

[Gimli]

not fire,

RED.

red/cakez and two towny mofos is my d1 solve

[Gimli]

I don't want to do flip dan

Why?

idk i think his catchup look innocent?

[Gimli]

im absolutely hammered ama

[Gimli]

can barely readd the wordds

im town do you think im not town??? youre wrong

[Gimli]

I don't want to do flip dan

Why?

alisae
ari
redff

[Gimli]

quoted the wrong thing
i think dan is like potatoes which fits with i think of him

[Gimli]

idk about hardest fight i took a massive break before titania so i dont remember anything before her that well but ngl it was probably that fight

Ya that gym is quite difficult cause like for a steel gym one would think to use fire types but the field makes it so fire types become dragon and she has a kelfki that she WILL switch into to neutralize the hit. My only real ground type is Mamoswine. I ended up getting backed into a corner through making a lot of bad plays, and her empoleon was staring down my aegislash. She didn't burn my aegislash so I was able to get into a position where I set up multiple swords dances and just went hard but if not for aegislash I probably don't do that first try.

I have no idea waht this is and i stilll want to townread it

[Gimli]

seee that wsas pagetop


tokcktown

[Gimli]

this is fucking illlegal

[Gimli]

How do you enjoy this game Shea

this is a fastball alisae

[Gimli]

I enjoy myself furst evryhthing comes up with time

I love cheese

[Gimli]

HELLO

IVE WAITED HERE FOR U


EVEERLOOOOOOONG

[Gimli]

How do you enjoy this game Shea

I've been trying to look past alignments and enjoy the people lately. I've been thinking about it a lot lately, trying to tune down competitiveness and just think of it as a way to pass the time with lovely folks.

I think when I try to be too competitive about stuff I ruin it for myself and others.

I like this. Also I can't believe I missed drunk Gimli

im still around

idk what i typed in this thread tho

[Gimli]

the past few days has just been me re-evaluating if I should continue to play.
I actually requested a self-ban because of how I acted in games and I still act that way...

you feel like an absolulte great potato townie

wjy do you disagree?

[Gimli]

you waited for me?
it would be tragic if I just so happen decided to just bounce

you'll never get rid of whatever this gives you and you know it

[Gimli]

How do you enjoy this game Shea

I've been trying to look past alignments and enjoy the people lately. I've been thinking about it a lot lately, trying to tune down competitiveness and just think of it as a way to pass the time with lovely folks.

I think when I try to be too competitive about stuff I ruin it for myself and others.

I like this. Also I can't believe I missed drunk Gimli

im still around

idk what i typed in this thread tho

Nerd therapy I think

im still traumatized so it didnt work

[Gimli]

I don't like that when I feel like I'm backed into a corner I resort to personal attacks... That's not even a mafia thing...
Best thing I can do in the moment is to try to just be mindful in the heat of the moment and recognize that it's not worth it but that's hard even if it's like "well just don't be that way ali, skill issue"

givce me a wolf and ill vote them with u

[Gimli]

I'll tell you a tale about pokemon

i was once a whimpy kid, and I enjoyed watching pokemon. i dreamed of once becoming a great trainer.

then life happened and now everything is misery and death

so thats my story

[Gimli]

you seem to have gotten a lot better at typing all of a sudden.

you have no idea how hammered i am

but yes i can type now

ask me anything ('ill be asleep)

[Gimli]

the past few days has just been me re-evaluating if I should continue to play.
I actually requested a self-ban because of how I acted in games and I still act that way...

you feel like an absolulte great potato townie

wjy do you disagree?

a year ago on my birthday I was self-banned from the website because I kept replacing out of games and I was awful. I don't understand how people like me when I acted the way I did to people and it was consistently negative. I realized I hurt someone and like I just couldn't keep being that person.

I only started playing against recently because like I wanted to come back say hi to everyone (that was warrior cats) and I probably wouldn't be playing in this game if Fire didn't lure me back onto the site.

If it's not fun and it brings out the worst in one and one doesn't like that then ya it's probs best to just put it down.

I think your a great town player and can lead this to victoty by being a center of reference for other townies ig

[Gimli]

first

[Gimli]

VOTE: sircakez

[Gimli]

if I had to guess which one of Gimli/RedFF is a wolf I would say Gimli because he was the guy that was like "let lycan cook" all throughout d1

in my defense I've always scumsided every town game I ever played

[Gimli]

my solve is red/cakez/???? just like d1

I understand I should be resolved because I was the only slot defending lycan, but I suggest the novel idea of scum actually bussing there instead of looking wonky by defending it

[Gimli]

VOTE: asri okay

[Gimli]

my solve is red/cakez/???? just like d1

I understand I should be resolved because

I was the only slot defending lycan

, but I suggest the novel idea of scum actually bussing there instead of looking wonky by defending it

imagine defending ActionDan

I did defend actiondan as well

openwolfing as a townie

[Gimli]

tis i, Radiance

This is why I think furtive is traitor btw

oh my

why did you say that furitive?

[Gimli]

Someone you were defending flipped scum and it doesn't change your solve at all Gimli?

no, because none of my town or scumreads from d1 were dependant of the lycan flip. it was an empty slot that didn't do anything and had a bunch of towny people wagoning it. there was also no CW or attempted CW from d1, apart from stuff I did on unflipped slots (you, redFF), so nothing changed. I also didn't really work the game at night and I'm rolling with d1 townreads.

[Gimli]

VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

LMAO

our traitor killing our team, tough times

[Gimli]

look we just finished 2019 game. there, lycan wasn't really towny at all for a good part of the game, and then once we had a potential scumflip the dude started gamesolving and it was a beautiful thing to see, late d2 already. he starts slow, so I felt like defending it. I didn't think his posts were scummy either so it is what it is.

[Gimli]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

[Gimli]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

Vigilante Masons?

it's better if I don't say it now

let's flip elsewhere today and tomorrow we can talk about my slot

[Gimli]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

Vigilante Masons?

it's better if I don't say it now

let's flip elsewhere today and tomorrow we can talk about my slot

This makes me want to vote you 10x more btw

now you're being a potato

I'm tied to this claim. you'll get exactly what I'm saying here. but I need n2 to make it work. on n1 I do a thing, on n2 I do some other thing that will hopefully be TKP. you can use it on me if you'd like, but regardless it's a power that will shred the POE and help town.

[Gimli]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

How would this prove your alignment?

For reference, this game had a T/S neighborhood share a vig (see Cakez's and Pooky's roles)

I can prove my ability directly to another player. they can do whatever they want with it, be it hardclaiming in the thread or not. I can only prove my alignment with a flip.

[Gimli]

I think your a great town player and can lead this to victoty by being a center of reference for other townies ig

oh btw this guy posted this drunk at first I like didn't think much of it

I think your a great town player and can lead this to victoty by being a center of reference for other townies ig

Thinking about it a bit more I would like to understand how you got this impression!

Still want a response to this, something about the former post seems TMIsh for a player I've never played with before?

what TMI, that I said you were town?

[Gimli]

This one is busier than usual and hasn't had time to study this day's archives in full. This one never liked SirCakez and stand by that.

Still, this one'll make this vote and talk about SirCakez when it so chooses, seeing as Klick still vastly feels better.

VOTE: furtiveglance

agree people seem to be clearing sircakez for no reason

I thought they were also pushing lycan for nothing so maybe there's an experience-based read there

[Gimli]

and that makes me scum how?

[Gimli]

people's EODs around actiondan's claim: turns out I dislike shea's response to it the most. I disagree with the idea that calling bullshit on the true aspect of the claim is a >rand townie thing. I think what happens a lot is that wolves get incredibly uncharitable when pushing scum partners, so the most sensible approaches are things I prefer as towny things (like firebringer's reaction to it)

[Gimli]

Answer the question, how did you get that impression of me

I've been townreading you and I like your posts, that is true especially d1

[Gimli]

Spoiler: some EOD things

so I already stated how I dislike shea's interactions with the wagoned actiondan the most. there are other two players who I think have acted towny around that wagon.

the first one is black:

I think he's telling the truth about the 3-shot aspect of his role

And yeah if Dan flips red go ahead and make me next. I have been linking us together and defending him hard

I think this is really towny from Black, first of all correctly assuming the correct part of the claim, and then acting un-survivalistic about how AD flipping red 'means' black should go next.

And yeah if Dan flips red go ahead and make me next. I have been linking us together and defending him hard

No that is dumb

and I enjoy this gut reaction from firebringer here. I've been townreading both slots so it's nothing new but it helps.

I believe he's scum rolestopper

IDK what to make of CSF other than, if *I don't believe any part of your claim* is an uncharitable possibly SvS reaction, then *I believe he is scum rolestopper* might be a TMI one.

but u know what. idk why i am arguing.
i believe his claim but the claim doesn't equal town so its not like this changes anything else for me

and this other post by firebringer is townpinging for me.

[Gimli]

Gimli can you claim in full?
You like partially claimed

n1 I produce a vig
n2 I give someone a vig

I'd rather fullclaim this now so on d3 the person I gave the vig isn't blocked I guess? I shouldn't have claimed anything and botched my role, so it is what it is

[Gimli]

Gimli can you claim in full?
You like partially claimed

n1 I produce a vig
n2 I give someone a vig

I'd rather fullclaim this now so on d3 the person I gave the vig isn't blocked I guess? I shouldn't have claimed anything and botched my role, so it is what it is

What's 'producing'?
Are you essentially just a N2 Vig shot Vendor?

I have two abilities: I can *forge a nail*, which is a fucking vigilante, and I can *gift a blade*, which depends on me forging a nail. I can do these things indefinitely but only give a blade when I forged one ofc.

[Gimli]

I'm agreeing with asri on sircakez

this one doesn't want to scumside again but this one likes asri's posts

[Gimli]

it really feels that once cakez had his AtE and people left him alone, he kinda disappeared from trying to have any influence in the game

[Gimli]

VOTE: petapan

this is independent of last night's night actions, right?

[Gimli]

a great number of things could have happened that we don't know so nobody dying means nothing for petapan's alignment, I don't think

[Gimli]

check this out: what if a townie is BP

[Gimli]

I mean it's role madness furtive

[Gimli]

why do you scumread petapan? outside of this thing

[Gimli]

there could be a one-shot compulsory lightning rod that redirects all actions to themselves, essentially making n1 nightless

do you want more crazy ideas

[Gimli]

Progression on VP (TSQ) and tone

I thought his push on VPB was towny

vpb's push on ari was bad, dont you think? I get that it might be NAI for vpb to try a shit push early on but I like what peta had to say about it, it made sense to me

[Gimli]

Whether you like it or not, the mechanically correct play is to vote out the Jailkeeper target

the mechanically correct play when you know 5% of the mechanics is to take it easy with your information I think

[Gimli]

it really feels that once cakez had his AtE and people left him alone, he kinda disappeared from trying to have any influence in the game

This is very misrepresentative as I stated that I was stepping back from the game for a while and then the day ended so I had no chance to reengage.

yeah

I like your current posting fwiw

[Gimli]

I tracked Cakes to Petapan last night - does this fit with his claim

OHHHH

oh okay

[Gimli]

that sort of explains aristeia's gameday

[Gimli]

so the question is, who didn't visit petapan last night?

[Gimli]

asri, you should take some rest

[Gimli]

we can have ari furtive and peta all cleared this gameday

[Gimli]

I think asri is a distraction and I feel bad for being on his wagon now

[Gimli]

VOTE: sircakez

[Gimli]

it doesn't matter what cakez says. the likelihood of him carrying the mafia kill is too great so he needs to be flipped so we know what's up.

[Gimli]

three players very close to mech clear, what a day

[Gimli]

[Gimli]

VOTE: SirCakez

now go to bed asri sweet dreams

[Gimli]

three players very close to mech clear, what a day

also the obligatory guesses that the mod certainly wouldn't put 3/3 wolves in a hood, right, right? that will also clear klick, if not practically but to every real in thread narrative for the time being

[Gimli]

three players very close to mech clear, what a day

also the obligatory guesses that the mod certainly wouldn't put 3/3 wolves in a hood, right, right? that will also clear klick, if not practically but to every real in thread narrative for the time being

no lol

I'm not saying it clears klick

[Gimli]

three players very close to mech clear, what a day

also the obligatory guesses that the mod certainly wouldn't put 3/3 wolves in a hood, right, right? that will also clear klick, if not practically but to every real in thread narrative for the time being

If Cakez flips scum then that doesn't clear Klick at all IMO. At that point we need to consider the possibility that all 3 are scum trying to pull off some weird Neighborhood-claim clearing technique

we know the hood is real. they're the bloodbrothers of whatever thing. the three of them. ofc they can all be scum, but that's not how people perceive these things afaict

[Gimli]

LMAO the expectation

[Gimli]

I'm behind ten pages why do you all want me to claim Cakez's role

1. furtive jailkept peta, remember?
2. ARISTEIA TRACKED CAKEZ TO PETA!!!

so we have to know what can cakez have that he visits peta

[Gimli]

massive NAs tbh

[Gimli]

What if Cakez was the nightkill, commuted to petapan, and my JK did nothing

Nothing Cakez said indicated he could target anyone
He described it as an ascetic/bulletproof activated ability

[Gimli]

yes

[Gimli]

easy w

[Gimli]

agree we should massclaim and coordinate

[Gimli]

I sent furtive my thing for obvious reasons, but in case it's not clear: there are three people mechanically clear after d1: petapan, aristeia and furtive. peta and aristeia are more likely to be kill targets for scum after d1. I would maybe send it to a strong TR like black or alisae instead but chose the guaranteed townie over the likely one.

[Gimli]

odds of it ending today? 3 groupscum + 1 traitor makes sense in this setup?

also can we be playing against 3p as well? IDK it feels too easy, it shouldn't be so easy

[Gimli]

also asri is 99% just a townie and a distraction like I said when we got the red on cakez

[Gimli]

Your closemindedness literally has no fucking bounds but

he is even more sure you're mafia now cause you're being a meanie

[Gimli]

mean people = mafia
people that scumread asri = mafia
people that are nice to asri and don't scumread him = locktownies

there's a system to it

[Gimli]

Baltarisms

[Gimli]

asri you don't want to claim?

[Gimli]

I have vig shots to vend every other night as long as nothing interferes with my play yeah

And I have successfully crafted a vig last night

[Gimli]

VOTE: redff

I didn't have much time to go over the posts from tsq flip but to anyone who's wondering if eliminating redff is the right play: check the interactions between redff and cakez throughout D1, it's always awkward from both sides fmpov with high svs equity

[Gimli]

VOTE: gimli

If the game doesn't end with a red red flip I'll give you the vig and you can shoot me with me tomorrow night