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I agree w tris that Ythan’s 62 feels town, and I do have the ability to explain if desired<Embrace The Void>
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Gonna take this opportunity to mention:In post 94, Frogsterking wrote:
I think that's a really negative way to frame that. I can't expect all of my page 3 reads to be correct and I updated my reads on tris and lycan after interacting with them for the first time. I also think updating my reads shows I'm thinking about the game or whatever. I feel like you've been onboard with this line of thinking when I've played with town!csf so I'm seriously considering whether you are scum peddling some early BS.In post 91, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:You just dropped your reads like less than 1 page later. It shows that you didn't really believe in those reads
I doubt you did that in LOST
HereIn post 92, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What made you reconsider lycanfire?
I thought this was an underreaction to being accused early if lycan is scumIn post 70, Lycanfire wrote:i expect great things from you
In post 73, Lycanfire wrote:how important is it for you to color slots, tris?In post 75, Lycanfire wrote:It's more of a question of playstyle or values, I guess.
I thought doubling down on the questioning here was townieIn post 78, Lycanfire wrote:How compelled do you feel to attribute town feeling and scum feeling to a slot. Do you do this for every slot? Just some?
I’m probably not gonna do any meta this game, I feel like that has caused me to build up bad juju here<Embrace The Void>
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VOTE: Frogsterking
I think he’s scum here because his early “meta TR” evaporated fast after I defended Ythan, and I didn’t really notice any attempt to debate with me, so it seems clear his plan is to make anyone he thinks he can’t go toe-to-toe with a target.
There’s another player I have pinned as his partner but I’m keeping that close to the vest for now.<Embrace The Void>
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I realized the exact reason why this push reeks of bullshit: it’s the same crock of shit Krazy used to pull against me. This sort of “scum!Gamma always reacts this way” comment is one I’m well-acquainted with, and one that imo ensures one of us is scum. So I think today’s vote absolutely SHOULD be between me and Frogsterking. It’s still not wise to vote me out, unless you want a lot of deaths really fast.<Embrace The Void>
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Well here’s the thing: the last several town games I’ve had, I’ve been subjected to numerous shitpushes, some of which have caused toxic reactions. So atp it’s kinda vibing that people are willing to fuck around with me until I either lay down and die or blow a fuse. It’s honestly appalling in a sense that I’m being treated this way.In post 191, Morning Tweet wrote:
Because you're biased. Town incorrectly OMGUSes people who scumread them probably more often than any other type of read imo.In post 186, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would it be?
In my opinion you haven't shown why scum!Frog votes you, other than because "he thinks he can't go toe-to-toe" with you. Which I think is super fallible reasoning, yeah. I find it suspicious that you think that Frog not trying hard enough to debate with you is sufficient evidence to condemn Frog.
Basically, I think basing a read solely off of the way a slot is reading you is very error prone.
I will admit I think your 146 felt premature as well, so that also colours my view. Premature in the sense that it felt disingenuous -- like it's too early to be getting exasperated enough to drop hints like that, and it seems more likely you'd make a post like that to reduce pressure off of yourself.<Embrace The Void>
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What about CSF, huh?In post 197, Frogsterking wrote:
Good stuff! I'm pretty sure KT-you-me-tris are all townIn post 195, Morning Tweet wrote:Okay so actually Kitty is calling tris town so I'm a bit confused now. It felt like an odd shade to me but actually reading it with tris as a townread it looks more like Kitty is entertaining an alternative theory here. My bad.<Embrace The Void>
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What does this meanIn post 188, Frogsterking wrote:Ehh MT I think you took a step backwards with your vote, I'm pretty sure that KT wasn't intending to shade my slot there and that your random vote on Gamma was actually on scum. KT has opened this way toward my slot as town before:
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Also, the answer to your question toward Gamma is that she isn't trying to sort my slot and the vote was made because we've been in this situation several times before and they just react this way when I call them out as scum.Gamma is definitely more methodical if I push them on accident when we're both town.<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t think I vibe with this btwIn post 12, McMenno wrote:oh like I have something in my role that interferers with investigative roles so don't target me with those please<Embrace The Void>
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rn I’m fine letting flips do that for meIn post 208, Save The Dragons wrote:Prove me wrong
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Yes, we’re all aware of your grandstanding.In post 217, Frogsterking wrote:
Also I haven't posted my case on Gamma yet, so I still have a chance.In post 216, Frogsterking wrote:
That's a good sign for your alignment because whenever I catch scum D1 there is always at least one townie who goes "PRETTY MEH CASE IF YOU ASK ME"In post 214, Save The Dragons wrote:Both of you sucked at convincing me
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I simply must ask: what makes you think I’d be resorting to level zero plays?In post 222, Frogsterking wrote:
The McMennon vote is basically a naked vote and the Yrhan and Gamma votes are poorly explained reactions to my FoS on them. I think voting a player who suspects you and providing some made up reasoning is pretty common level 0 scum play.In post 166, tris wrote:frogster y r those votes scummy.<Embrace The Void>
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I think I like this post from Erinys.In post 223, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Hard to say for certain, especially when there's almost certainly neg util like you said. It's more something to keep in mind rn than anything.In post 183, Morning Tweet wrote:
Which one do you think it is?In post 144, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Interested in this little out(?). Want to say it feels towny to go "hey investigatives don't waste an action" but that's easily something scum could do too as a bluff, especially when this entire setup is one giant question mark in terms of mechanics. This one will be keeping an eye on you.In post 12, McMenno wrote:oh like I have something in my role that interferers with investigative roles so don't target me with those please
It's fairly meta for town to claim miller immediately, and I think there's a high probability of negative town utility in a big setup like this. I'm erring on the side of trusting at this stage
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Oh come off it, assuming tris is town, then as scum I had a fantastic opportunity to bloat the thread with useless, horrible drama by dragging out a fight with tris over whether or not asking questions is AI for them.In post 137, KittyTacky wrote:idk about Frogster, backing out on tris so fast might be scum theatre but I can't say I scumread him otherwise.
Realistic chance this is a brand of meta manipualtion. "No look guys THIS is how I play as scum. Therefore, I am NOT scum.". This one doesn't care for meta analysis but it just thought this was worth pointing out. Detailing ways you would've/could've did things as scum but didn't feels itself a smidge scummy in an abstract sense.In post 203, Frogsterking wrote:
Not really, no. I just completed a scum game recently:In post 187, Morning Tweet wrote:Lol
How good are you at feigning full solving the game as scum, as well as exerting control over it?
Frog describing himself as gloating and solved from his point of view, and so on is kinda my impression of town!Frog. He's one of those players that has a read on everyone. But I don't know how well Frog emulates this sort of excitement for solving as scum
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Most of what I provide as scum is in the scum chat I think. For thread control in the past I focused on tinfoiling, bloating the thread with dumb discussions and then lurking out once I draw too much heat. I find it a bit overwhelming to actually attempt to imitate my town game as scum.<Embrace The Void>
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Oversimplification. Erinys is more so saying the means of presentation are not enticing.In post 230, Quiet Owl wrote:
wh-In post 223, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Realistic chance this is a brand of meta manipualtion. "No look guys THIS is how I play as scum. Therefore, I am NOT scum.". This one doesn't care for meta analysis but it just thought this was worth pointing out. Detailing ways you would've/could've did things as scum but didn't feels itself a smidge scummy in an abstract sense.In post 203, Frogsterking wrote:
Not really, no. I just completed a scum game recently:In post 187, Morning Tweet wrote:Lol
How good are you at feigning full solving the game as scum, as well as exerting control over it?
Frog describing himself as gloating and solved from his point of view, and so on is kinda my impression of town!Frog. He's one of those players that has a read on everyone. But I don't know how well Frog emulates this sort of excitement for solving as scum
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Most of what I provide as scum is in the scum chat I think. For thread control in the past I focused on tinfoiling, bloating the thread with dumb discussions and then lurking out once I draw too much heat. I find it a bit overwhelming to actually attempt to imitate my town game as scum.
what
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I back Erinys’ comment here since I have experienced other players doing the sort of thing it accused Froggy off doing.<Embrace The Void>
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This feels incredibly hackishIn post 250, Frogsterking wrote:
From who, you? Ythan, the little 3rd party? You couldn't even give a straight answer to Tweet or tris about why you voted me or how you read Gamma/McMenno. What do you expect to accomplish all alone?In post 248, Ythan wrote:Yeah enjoy rope lol.
I guess we should invent new jargon "3rd party bravado." The wiki page for "3rd party bravado" will look like this:
I also think jumping to an accusation of a third party this early feels off<Embrace The Void>
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A soft of what? And why bring it up?In post 264, KittyTacky wrote:Feels like a soft.
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Because I think it’s a rather stark trend
I’ll admit the scumgame sample size is somewhat low but one of those games was massive and Elements and I did clash at one point, but they never voted me.<Embrace The Void>
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It depends on the playerIn post 279, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Just to make sure I understood this post right - are you saying when people self meta to prove themselves as town, they tend to lie more often than not? If so, I disagree with that conclusionIn post 238, Gamma Emerald wrote: Oversimplification. Erinys is more so saying the means of presentation are not enticing.
I back Erinys’ comment here since I have experienced other players doing the sort of thing it accused Froggy off doing.
Elements admitted to not having read the game yet, why did you feel the need to say this?In post 266, Gamma Emerald wrote:I said I was gonna avoid meta but this is just comical
I don’t think Elements has ever voted scum!me, but he frequently scumreads town!me
I tend to be more honest with self-meta than I believe most would be, in part because as I see it, the gap between my scumgame and towngame is at times negligible: I have enough skill to play with some of my cards face up and still come out ahead sometimes.
Ftr the player I speak of as fitting the stated bill is Flavor Leaf. Without fail, whenever I start to catch scum!him, he starts on the same song and dance of “I wouldn’t have played this way as scum, I swear”<Embrace The Void>
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This never happened.In post 292, imaginality wrote:Morning Tweet is town. I really like the detailed analysis of Princess's posts and it reminds me of MT's town play in the 8-ball game we were in.
P-edit: though I lean differently in my read on Gamma.
Cat Scratch feels town to me too. I agree with calling out Gamma's comment about Elements in 266.
I think Princess's point that self-meta should be taken with a grain of salt is right, and then a bunch of subsequent posts trying to clarify that point. Feels genuine compared to if Princess was using it to justify a Frog vote rather than downplaying the relevance as in 237.
One caveat about Princess is that Princess has posted just about that stuff lately and not about anything else.
Frog vs Gamma, maybe Cat Scratch is right that they could both be scum. Frog comes across as very conscious of others' perceptions;Gamma's 'lol' reaction was bad. I don't think they're both town. But they've been the main show lately so I'm trying to bear that 'recency bias' or whatever it's called in mind and gonna scratch around a bit more to see what else is going on in the background.<Embrace The Void>
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I like thisIn post 295, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Frog meta stuff aside, this one is wondering where tapiocaphobe and Vaxkiller are, and where Ranger went.
I also felt this might be the caseIn post 297, Ythan wrote:Yeah I was wondering if that was supposed to be me lol.
I think it’s not exactly a good look for imaginality to be swinging that wildly though<Embrace The Void>
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I think saying “most” of my posts are like that is a mischaracterization of things but whatever, I’ve been poking at other things consistently
Also do you want games where I was scum, town or both that Elements was in?<Embrace The Void>
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viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633 scumgame
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Also wdym by topics I should avoid?<Embrace The Void>
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Also I did mention I’ve had a bad spell of getting FoSed early as town which has rattled me substantially
idk which I’d rate higher out of my scumplay or my townplay, I think they’re both solid overall but my scumplay is much more swingy<Embrace The Void>
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What makes you choose to sheep Fenrir specifically?In post 328, furtiveglance wrote:Quite chaotic. This is the largest game I've played in (from the start) and I think the usually underrated art of sheeping will be very important, otherwise Mafia could really run riot.
With this in mind,
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What stuff is this referring to?In post 292, imaginality wrote:
One caveat about Princess is that Princess has posted just about that stuff lately and not about anything else.
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In post 348, Frogsterking wrote:@allAlso: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.<Embrace The Void>
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@MOD: Vaxkiller and tapiocaphobe are in prod range
mod edit: I meant to quote this post and hit the edit button instead. original message will be a couple posts down.Last edited by xyzzy on Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:41 am, edited 2 times in total.<Embrace The Void>
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It’s not quite like thatIn post 385, Titus wrote:So what do you feel she's not responding to?
I suggest you ISO her<Embrace The Void>
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That’s not what I meant.In post 391, Titus wrote:
Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?In post 387, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It’s not quite like thatIn post 385, Titus wrote:So what do you feel she's not responding to?
I suggest you ISO her
Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.<Embrace The Void>
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Good breadth of interestIn post 418, tris wrote:
y?In post 317, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I like thisIn post 295, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Frog meta stuff aside, this one is wondering where tapiocaphobe and Vaxkiller are, and where Ranger went.<Embrace The Void>
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tf are you saying hereIn post 446, Titus wrote:Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.<Embrace The Void>
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Why do you townread imaginality so hard? I feel like he’s suspicious but I don’t vibe with how the wagon on him formed.In post 454, Titus wrote:
I'm saying StD is 100% wrong and trying. So I'm going to show him he's wrong and get him pointed in the right direction, even if I am not 100% sure where it is myself.In post 450, Gamma Emerald wrote:
tf are you saying hereIn post 446, Titus wrote:Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.<Embrace The Void>
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Why this?
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I’d rather you vote me.
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At this point, yes. My initial reasoning to suspect them wasn’t ironclad, and the wagon on them happening so fast and in the way it did spooks me.In post 490, Elements wrote:
Do you think imaginify is town?In post 487, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not gonna feel good about a wagon where people I suspect are frontloaded on it<Embrace The Void>
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Don’t think it’s all scumIn post 492, Elements wrote:Why do you think scum would all push for the wagon?
More later<Embrace The Void>
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It really doesn’tIn post 513, Elements wrote:That makes much more sense
I don’t see who aside from Fenrir out of the imaginality votes is UTR<Embrace The Void>
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