Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Alisae]

Yeah p sure psyche's scum gambling on me not sneaking in our action bc IRL but just made it. Lmao

Did he try to pull a fast one?

/me continues to mash the do something button

Not exactly. I suggested an action. We discussed it but he waffled. Neither of us submitted the action. I got it under the wire. Totally plausible scum tried to steal from us thinking my IRL would stop me from bolding in time.

I am completely lost here
How do we get this last sentence? How does a wolf!psyche fit in this?

Wolf!Psyche tells his team that we're safe to steal from because town!Titus is swamped IRL and trusted Psyche to submit an action.

if that’s really the play, wouldn’t it be better to like, let them do that? Idunno, I feel like if this happened it would be way more beneficial with how much info it gives village and I feel like it only happens if wolves want to transfer that money to a better slot or a wolf wolf pair

[Alisae]

Ok but like
how do the keep said plan hidden if that’s what they wanted to do?

[Alisae]

It doesn’t matter if they get caught and can’t cross the finish line

[Alisae]

Who would think it scummy to steal from the team wagoned?

It really would depend on who does it huh

[Alisae]

I'm not opposed.

What do you think is happening in this game

[Alisae]

Psyche how much have you read

[Alisae]

A kingdom for a horse

[Alisae]

Wagons I think should. be tied?
I swapped my vote to psyche

[Alisae]

ali remember when you tried to bus mena that shit was damn near the funniest thing ive ever seen in my life

>_<

[Alisae]

Shirou has no agency to care about minigame.
If they wanted to suggest a steal they would have done it by now but they haven’t.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

I wanted to steal from Shea since I thought if they’re wolf they stole tonight but Shirou guarded which conflicted with my action

[Alisae]

where does the 100 come from

am i dumb

Furtive wagon

[Alisae]

good std: you know you should just leave everything the same...let people make their own decisions.
evil std: SWITCH SHIROU/ALISAE OUT AND FORCE PEOPLE TO KILL TITUS YEAH DO DRUGS AND SEX AND MURDER

two compelling points

Please don’t waste money if possible

[Alisae]

This game is just that wild tbh

[Alisae]

Lookers when did u move to titus

[Alisae]

They're my preferred pick but I unvoted cause I thought that content was coming very soon and I am waiting to see it.
Still happy to solve it via vote.

I really want Titus to do more things

[Alisae]

Pookers what do your reads look like right now

[Alisae]

Ok pookers what alignment do you think the other players are in the mafia game

[Alisae]

Is there anything I can do with 450 coins that I can't do with 350? That's like my only motivation to get off Shirou. That and the aforementioned caution to the wind. I feel like I need a flip to get my head around my reads.

double voter or loved

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

slippery guy

[Alisae]

PookyTheDrunkBear

[Alisae]

Nah it's about creating a meta for each account so that people don't misread it

yea im sure nobody will know that lazy shirou is actually shirou thats a really cool disguise you got there

It's not about disguise silly

It's about people not expecting me to be aggro and etc when I'm playing as lazy shirou

People aren't going to know your most effective tactics available as well as you do

[Alisae]

Shitfaced Shirou
PookyTheShitfacedBear

[Alisae]

I wanted to steal from Shea since I thought if they’re wolf they stole tonight but Shirou guarded which conflicted with my action

That's cool i stole from you so we bounced either way.

Ali: Guard
Ali: Actually fuck it I wanna make a proactive play and steal from shea
Shirou: No fuck that I want to guard
Me who just so happen to check thread at 9am and then go back to sleep: guard.

Your stole would have been successful if I just so happen to not check the ongoings of the thread. As things were, they were about to end up with us submitting nothing!

[Alisae]

This is all hours apart btw so like
idunno you tell me why any of that happens if Shirou is a wolf, he is submitting guard under the pre-tense we might both end up submitting conflicting actions and as a result doing nothing. Wouldn't he just wanna go for the steal?

[Alisae]

Your stole would have been successful if I just so happen to not check the ongoings of the thread. As things were, they were about to end up with us submitting nothing!

uh

is it bad i actually didn't read about conflicting actions not doing anything

it does make sense in hindsight but like, i thought guarding was standard or something and both had to agree to steal

If you're a wolf, this is a statement that applies to the whole entire wolfteam.
I think if you're a wolf I have the impression you would be mechanically ontop of your game because you have to be. This minigame to me has shown the exact opposite.

[Alisae]

Is...is that a thing?

In the past, you could mutli-iso like 3 users max.
With the forum update it's buffed. Go to the isolate thing near the quick reply box and select the people you wanna multi-iso. It's really easy!

[Alisae]

I can assure you I would not be mechanically on top of anything as any alignment.

That is you. You and Shirou I imagine are different people.
If I'm playing wolf it's really easy for me to be the person with the best understand of the mechanics in the game. Usually in theme game's they're thrusted upon you, and I like to look for edges wherever I can find them. So generally I think it's more likely for a wolf to understand how a game mechanically works than say a villager but that doesn't mean it's impossible for a villager to show that they know how the game mechanically works. Idunno if that makes sense.

[Alisae]

I mean if you wanna disregard literally anything else sure??????????? but like no??????????????

[Alisae]

I am uninterested in putting enchant into the elimination pool at any time.

[Alisae]

I can assure you I would not be mechanically on top of anything as any alignment.

That is you. You and Shirou I imagine are different people.
If I'm playing wolf it's really easy for me to be the person with the best understand of the mechanics in the game. Usually in theme game's they're thrusted upon you, and I like to look for edges wherever I can find them. So generally I think it's more likely for a wolf to understand how a game mechanically works than say a villager but that doesn't mean it's impossible for a villager to show that they know how the game mechanically works. Idunno if that makes sense.

it sure doesn't make sense with any of your previous positions about mech in this game but whatever.

so like ig you're just going to hold this against me until the end of the game
/shrug

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

i think i need a partial reset in this game just to double check myself

gonna only stick with [enchant, alisae, norwe] as my town core rn and could even reevaluate some of that

i think it's the only reads i still have some confidence on not being wrong about, alisae is the unique one there i lack previous experience reading

You could read the game I linked in the PT

[Alisae]

I talked to t bone in the pt and he changed my mind on some things

Also you aren't my top suspect but I want to be on this wagon for now

I am really interested in the details of how this conversation played out

[Alisae]

Anyway after Furtive got flipped I asked Cakez if I was making a mistake on Shirou like I did Furtive or if I had a good reason to think Shirou town. Cakez said he thinks Shirou is town because Pooky is scum. Then I explained why I think Shirou is scum in short. Cakez offered that one of Shirou/Pooky had to be scum. He said he finds everything Pooky says scummy, then asks me to explain more on Shirou. I do, and then Cakez said he can get on board. Then I asked him to forget about Pooky and explain his Shirou town read. He said he liked some posts and thought Pooky's push was scummy making Shirou town. Basically a reiteration of one scum in Shirou/Pooky. Then FB posted the start of the flag mini game and we haven't spoken since.

This isn't impossible to come from a wolf?

[Alisae]

What?

From how you describe it, it seemed like he was pretty easygoing about the topic.

[Alisae]

Pookers

I got a crazy ass conspiracy theory I wanna hit you up with

[Alisae]

VOTE: Psyche

[Alisae]

Look man I have 2 ways to solve your slot.
One of them is by trying to form a read based on your posts and reads.
The other is to use my vote and flip you.

It is what it is.

[Alisae]

I don't want an apology man I want you to do something that makes me want to play my hand or reconsider my hand

[Alisae]

Like I understand that I can't rush the Psyche machine.
I understand that voting you does nothing unless its enough votes to actually eliminate you.

But I'm done waiting for the Psyche Machine. I think I have answers and I want to check them by flipping you. I don't think I'm voting any other player this day phase unless you do something incredible that blows my heckin mind.

[Alisae]

Asking you questions is like pulling teeth

I just want to flip the player...

[Alisae]

Don't think Shirou is happening unless haschel and psyche move over to shirou and he suddenly becomes hated, which I think would be interesting if it happened. It would be interesting if it didn't happen and he got hammered.

Either way that's probably not happening so like, can we get Psyche instead?
Idunno I don't think it's Titus...

[Alisae]

I’m a ghost
Wooooo
Spooky

[Alisae]

Norwee can u vote psyche

[Alisae]

Oh ok it seems like we’re determined to eliminate what is probs a villager titus

[Alisae]

Id bet the house that she likely isn’t :/

[Alisae]

VOTE: titus

[Alisae]

U r likely a villager titus but let’s see if this read is correct or not

[Alisae]

hyperpost challenges board

[Alisae]

What. I'm so confused. So Titus was town, Alisae somehow knew. And then hammered anyway?

so ali said titus was scum

threadlock

then ali hammered

then said titus was town

my brain is still spinning

I said I thought titus flips village
Fen said she flips wolf
I said I would bet the house
Then as soon as thread unlock I hammer

Does that mean I have 2 houses now

[Alisae]

VOTE: psyche
Can we vote out psyche now?

[Alisae]

If psyche flips wolf I have a solve that will blow everyone’s mind

[Alisae]

Std Cakez Haschel + 1 more that’s likely psyche

[Alisae]

I have so many problems with Cakez treatment towards psyche

[Alisae]

maybe cakes haschel psyche norweeb

Cakez v STD is theater I think...
If there's 1 I am low confidence on it's STD but I think it makes sense.

I really think Cakez is extremely egregious.

[Alisae]

Strongly prefer to vote titus over psyche if I have to, just tonally I think.

Agreed psyche actually feels like a town mindset here i don't think Titus cares about this game which is not a good sign

This post is so bad...

I don't understand how any of what Psyche has posted has been good. I feel like Cakez has been calling these slots "good" when there's like, literally nothing good about them. Like I don't see how he can find these posts good cause I'm reading the exact same stuff he is, I just don't see it. He also said haschel's 1 post is good and that stands out to me as a wolf calling his partner town.

I also think saying Titus not caring about the game is actually egregious to me. It actually makes 0 sense

[Alisae]

We're always flipping the entire board of misdirector's team so like, honestly, I would rather get on with it?

[Alisae]

why didnt u just challenge cakes directly rofl

I want to flip Psyche

[Alisae]

I just don't like how we're not even reforming the Shirou wagon now?

the voters need time to place their votes they haven't posted yet

[Alisae]

Ya know what
I have a great idea that is totally worth paying 500 coins for.

Let me just get a swap real quick

[Alisae]

ah 50 short
I thought I get my coinage now.

I wanted to swap us out for enchant and force a psyche elim that way

[Alisae]

what why 50 didn't u spend all the money before

100 from furtive elim
250 from ctf
100 from titus elim. This was the main incentive aside from just ending whatever the fuck was going on in thread

450, 50 short.

[Alisae]

challenge coinage does not come in till after the challenge which should put me at 700

[Alisae]

i'm actually listening to the song rn

me too

[Alisae]

I think psyche is the best flip in the game because I can’t read it and if it’s flip tells me if I need to look for 3 wolves or 4. I literally always want to flip it.

[Alisae]

If it’s wolf then I think I’m spot onto something. If not then I’m delusional

[Alisae]

psyche wagon sucks

Based off of what

[Alisae]

How can u stand so firm in a slot that has actually done nothing and is literally unreadable but also think Titus doesn’t care about the game it makes no sense cakez

[Alisae]

Acupuncture now post later

[Alisae]

acupuncture is over.

First I'm going to write up about why I think all of the people I think are villagers are villagers.

Then I'm going to explain why I think who the people I think are wolves are wolves.

[Alisae]

Shirou.
I genuinely think Shirou is playing without teammates this game. I think their disinterest in the ctf minigame seems townie and I think they would be more proactive during the ctf minigame. I think if he thinks he won me over he can get away with it especially if I'm the person giving him the opportunities to do so. He hasn't taken those opportunities.

I think his cases on me come from difficulty with my playstyle and I definitely do get the vibe that they are struggling this game, not just with me but with everyone across the board. It doesn't come across at all like how I think a wolf!Shirou would be playing this game. I think a wolf!Shirou would probably be more aggressive and would probably try to abuse the fact that he thinks he's won me over.

Really I don't get the vibe that they're playing with a wolf team. I completely buy that as a villager they feel resigned.


Norwee
I think Norwee being extremely stiff on Titus is likely to come from a villager? The ideal I have of Norwee is he will absolutely refuse to move his vote on anyone he doesn't think is a wolf so him being stiff on Titus kind of makes sense?

I think one of the stronger points is that he hasn't suspected me or shirou at all. I think if Norwee is a wolf he would want to try to find a way to make that happen but he seems completely disinterested in that.
I think Norwee and Pookers have the best understanding of how I play and to me it looks like he identified that correctly. I would be extremely weirded out if Norwee positioned himself to try to move onto me but I don't think he's at all interested in doing that or has shown any interest in it.

Like a wolf!Norwee I don't think is afraid of fos me when I am playing like a complete clown, and I would like to think I'm making it very easy for him to want to do that if he's a wolf. So the fact he just hasn't probably makes me want to villager read him.

Enchant
I don't really think this is a read that needs explanation so I'm just going to skip it

Gamma
I think the way they played my fight with Shirou was likely to come from town? I feel like I've seen a lot of moment in this game that are likely to make me think "Ya, gamma is just town" and even like her saying "Find a not inactive team to steal coins from" makes little sense to come from a wolf? Maybe Gamma has gotten better with faking emotional outbursts like these as a wolf but it just reads villagery to me. They've also been fairly villagery in general so like I think it's likely it's just town and I genuinely do want to believe that they have the STD read that they have.

Shea
Yep it's a villager don't really wanna explain much here tbh.
Tbh I have a hard time actually believing any fos I try to come up with this guy like from my pov he looks like he's just wolfsiding but I can kind of see what Norwee sees when he says he just can't bring himself to wolfread it like ever.

T-Bone
I really feel like his play has been super unaligned this game. I think throughout the entire game he has kind of just been doing his own thing and forming his own reads, and it feels like when I think of T-Bone I just think of a guy who is just playing his own villager game. T-Bone calling me out for being pocket likely comes from town and when I think of their reads I feel like they're extremely tunneled on Shirou. It just doesn't really come across as wolfy and I feel like when Shirou ends up flipping town he's just going to end up feeling extremely lost. I really do get the sense that everything he is thinking is based around Shirou either way I think the guy is just likely a villager.

Pookers
I think Pookers read on me has at all points in the game came from a villager mindset. I could easily understand how I think he landed a fos on me, as I think what he was accusing me of early is something that I could realistically do if I was a wolf. I feel like at least from the last day phase he played it in a way I feel like was villagery and I don't think he at all tried to take control of the game. I think he's taking the backseat while doing what I think Pookers wants to do.

[Alisae]

I think Cakez really should be flipped at some point during this game.
I think if I identified all of the villagers, Cakez and STD have to had been engaging in theater all game.
I think Cakez is comfortable when he's bussing and I think distancing himself from STD is a move I think wolf!Cakez would make.
Cakez I think is also one of the first few to mention that STD could be a wolf and I feel like that is noteworthy.

When Haschel first made his first big post, he called it out as good.
I re-examined this post a lot and I can't find what's good at all about it.
If Cakez is a wolf, I would suspect Haschel because Cakez calling Haschel's post out as good strikes me is something I think a wolf would say about their partner.
I think it's also convenient that Cakez wants to kill haschel now and I think that's progression that Cakez has to make if he's a wolf. It looks too weird otherwise and I think he would definitely move towards the bus there.
STD also called Haschel a villager and I don't think STD has said anything about haschel in a long time, not that he has any reason to.

I also really dislike Cakez liking Psyche for what I think is basically nothing while saying Titus doesn't care about the game. I don't even know how we get the conclusion that Titus doesn't care about the game it's just fucking bizarre and disingenuous.

I just think Cakez's early TR on Haschel likely is a wolf TRing a wolf, and now they want to bus them which I think is a move cakez would make. I also think Cakez's TR on Psyche is like the same thing.

--

Haschel it's weird right because like earlier in the game I wanted to TR him for calculated play that I seen from him in Guns and Roses but his play I want to say has just been completely unimpressive. Anyway the guy is absent and I can see him being a wolf with Cakez.

--

I think Psyche's reads are something I would expect from a wolf but I'm still left with this feeling of wanting more. Really I just think if I identified all of the other villagers I have to be right on here otherwise like p[sdufhjgpl;shAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

--

STD I completely lack confidence. Idunno, something about the play comes across as like informed? Idunno how to really elaborate on this. Like idunno I want to believe his read on me like comes from like a villager but it seems like he dropped that. I just don't think his play is impossible to come from a wolf and I think it fits perfectly in this puzzle I have going on. Maybe that's confbias but like...
ya...

[Alisae]

If Psyche actually is a villager then ????????????????????????????????Ds;lg'jhu[pe
rsoduyhjg}S

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Alisae]

Anyway If I identified villagers correctly I feel like this is just what HAS to be happening in this game but like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Alisae]

Anyway can we ACTUALLY kill Psyche how you people are Townreading this player is actually just fucking beyond me

[Alisae]

I’m not townreading Psyche due to there being barely any content on them. I guess i still live in the vain hope that they will produce some content eventually, but yeah. See no reason not to vote them currently other than to see if they hopefully just do anything at all if given a bit more time.

Just vote them

[Alisae]

Psyche was given time
Now I just want them dead

[Alisae]

should we deadsheep titus and yeet shirou so titus can do vca in the dead pt

lmfao

[Alisae]

Shea is the 5th wolf

[Alisae]

it does really feels as if someone is scum siding hard this game and i just hope it's not me

I am the 6th wolf

[Alisae]

I genuinely do believe I should probably never reach end game unless I somehow come across the right answers but like that doesn't mean I'm going to make it easy for anyone

[Alisae]

where would your thoughts be if psyche is town tho alisae

my thoughts are fuck me

[Alisae]

I genuinely do believe I should probably never reach end game unless I somehow come across the right answers but like that doesn't mean I'm going to make it easy for anyone

hm?

if psyche is town isn't tomorrow basically endgame?

...

[Alisae]

I think my play has probably singlehandedly costed village the game then...

pedit: No Shirou I haven't realized that

[Alisae]

sorry...

[Alisae]

I wanna feel resigned and just be like "kill me" but that's not really helpful either (and also I'm a villager) i think the only thing I can do is just try to make it right and keep going...

[Alisae]

if psyche is town this game is fucking over rofl

not exactly...

[Alisae]

well I mean yes but if we identify that
there IS a way to get out of this REALLY awful situation

[Alisae]

like on one hand its an epic fucking blow out

on the other hand i wont have to try to steer this clown car anymore as head clown

you're the head clown?

[Alisae]

if psyche flips town i think tomorrow people just jump at alisae or me and i do think that is de facto endgame

i wonder if it's too late to try avoiding responsibility for this game

Best thing we can do is take responsibility for our actions and try to make it right. Offering ourselves up on a platter doesn't really do much and also loses us the game since we're both villagers.
Idunno so like that's why I wanna keep pressing forward? I made my decision, I have to continue. I can't go back. And if the worst case happens, it is what it is. I just wanna be able to say that I did my best.

[Alisae]

any1 feeling confident enough about a scumread to stake their life on the line

I think I have put myself in a position where I have to feel confident about psyche to the point of staking my LIFE on it. In hindsight it's a stupid challenge, and I would probably feel happier if I got my hand on 50 coinage and maybe swap cakez in.

[Alisae]

i'm not sure there's someone with enough points for a swap other than enchant, but also i wouldn't be sure on who to swap for in psyche's place if it's a "get scum or die" situation

See if it's me I swap in Cakez in a heartbeat

[Alisae]

challenging cakez is really what I probably should have just done but I feel the need to go after psyche first as sort of an answer check

[Alisae]

I have no fucking idea how Psyche is a villager and I have no idea how there are people defending it. It's actually just crazy to me.

[Alisae]

I have no fucking idea how Psyche is a villager and I have no idea how there are people defending it. It's actually just crazy to me.

i didnt think furtive or titus could be town either roflmao

I HAVE TOWNREAD BOTH OF THOSE PLAYERS AT SOME POINT DURING THIS GAME
I HAMMERED TITUS KNOWING SHE WOULD FLIP TOWN THINKING MAYBE NORWEE WILL GET HIS FUCKING HEAD IN THE GAME OR MAYBE TO PROVE MYSELF WRONG MAN

[Alisae]

actually not sure cakez

could have better alternatives idk

how the heck are we going to bounce back man

[Alisae]

enchant what does it feel like to own money

i think u are the richest person rn due to flag minigame aren't you

Nope. It's Wolfteam.

They still has money from Popularity and issuing challenge.

... Or we tie? Did they vote for Titus? I need to count.

std -400 for a doublevote

[Alisae]

I regret my performance here

[Alisae]

yaaaaaaaay

[Alisae]

T-Bone played a stellar game and was supported by his teammates extremely well