Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[MegAzumarill]

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[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Doctor Drew
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[MegAzumarill]

True

[MegAzumarill]

Someone make reads so I don't have to

[MegAzumarill]

You should put me in, otherwise these idiots will try to use vig.

You should put me in, so I can use the vig
HURT: MegAzumarill

[MegAzumarill]

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater

Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.

I'd argue that town potentially losing in elo just because a particular member of their faction is alive over the others. (I.e. Gimli just gets autohammered by scum in elo and loses)
Although it's also just fairly standard procedure to disable voting manipulation in elo anyway, so doesn't really mean much either way.

May be relevant for gimli to confirm whether or not his role is making him hated or if it's something else.

[MegAzumarill]

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater

Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.

I'd argue that town potentially losing in elo just because a particular member of their faction is alive over the others. (I.e. Gimli just gets autohammered by scum in elo and loses)

would be less likely than a hated scum

Although it's also just fairly standard procedure to disable voting manipulation in elo anyway, so doesn't really mean much either way.

May be relevant for gimli to confirm whether or not his role is making him hated or if it's something else.

EBWOP

[MegAzumarill]

Need to note that FN in this way its setup assuming we give it to player A and they say they use it on player B will mean:

If B is town then A is town (or they get a guilty assuming no interfere)

If A is not town then they received no skill in the first place to use so we have no info on B besides a wifom

Its actually too conditional so I'm not entirely sure if its best play. We still have till night phase to think about these inventions though

*Fixed logic

[MegAzumarill]

Not really sure how to parse imaginalities opening here because it feels very forceful and I don't think scum would draw that attention to themselves but also I don't think town has reason to do that.

[MegAzumarill]

Empath, what do you mean by the fn bit

[MegAzumarill]

Not really sure how to parse imaginalities opening here because it feels very forceful and I don't think scum would draw that attention to themselves but also I don't think town has reason to do that.

Reason to do what, exactly?

Empath, what do you mean by the fn bit

Having moderately scummy players is ideal for making use of FN so Rat's comment has value.

I mean it feels like making a mountain out of a common occurence (discussing RVS) and making a read purely off of that feels a bit unnatural

I get you said that but you followed it up with that if that wasn't the case then FN is the best option. Do you think FN is just the best option?

[MegAzumarill]

I was actually happy to be N1 death for once in Korina Runs Another GIM... then I found out it was because I was scummy and not towny.

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[MegAzumarill]

Dragoneater prolly town

[MegAzumarill]

been very busy eill catchup tomorrow most likely

[MegAzumarill]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

Dislike this read and subsequent vote.

MT replied to this thinking it was a towny way of thinking but it feels like a pointless shade here.

Kyoko's thoughts here (p17) flow well logically and it feels more inclined to genuine solving pointing out nuance (such as with pointing out drew's inclusions for nightmare)

Gimli's meta-read on Drew feels faulty, Drew seems similar to the last Kornia game (GrandI) so I wouldn't say its outside of thhe scumrange.

#422 has a really forced use of the word nightmare from imaginality. Feels possibly like a signal which makes my mind jump to traitor as from the OP bad dreams are the scumteam.

433

Would love an explanation of this read, at least in 1-2 sentences.

I don't think scum really has motivation to double down like you have on your initial stance on rvs/half/rvs/etc. It feels like scum have no reason to keep pushing it when it obviously isn't going over well with the game in general and brought attention to your slot. There's also a good amount of proactivity (even more so at this point in the game) I think is more common in town.

Unless ya'll are actually interested in these ISO's.

I mean it'd probably be good for reading you if nothing else.


TL I feel more hesitant to townread at this point as it feels like in general to be as least controversial as possible and it feels like it could be scum blending in.

There's no actual reason for the huge shift of enchant in #443 by Ranger and that feels like a genuine town realization. Enchant Ranger S/S also works though, but I'd doubt an Ranger!scum, Enchant!town.

Kinda liking GImli's thoughts on 443 but disagree. Superficially scumsolving I don't think that much would be made that dramatically.

Dislike #487. Drew talks about ruffling feathers being a part of his playstyle as well as dramatic entrances (for paraphrase). That really doesn't seem to be true and it doesn't feels like a genuine sentiment because I don't think its really true. At least in vibes I agree with liking Porkens entrance at least.

491 feels wordy. -MT

Empath feels similar to where my head is throughout a lot of this. I'm curious if the reasonings are similar.

[MegAzumarill]

Doctor Drew / TL are the only ones I really have to say anything negative about but I'm more interested in the slots that have nothing defining about them.


@ Empath could you elaborate your reads more? I want to get a good idea where your head is at.

VOTE: Kawaii

[MegAzumarill]

HURT: MegA, Porkens, Ranger,

Interested what people think about the possible Imaginality signaling.

[MegAzumarill]

imaginality has really bad pushes and the lack of activity is starting to be very concerning... the lack of any townreads whatsoever only compounds my scumread on imaginality

Gimli has a familiar towny vibe to me and his thoughtstream posts feel like they are town thoughts... idk I could maybe point to 231 and 347 as posts that are archetypal of the vibe I get

so yeah, Gimli is my top read (though Doctor Drew is very close) and imaginality is my bottom read

TemporalLich is just annoyed I caught them.

Busy weekend here, I have time my Monday to catch up more.

I start off slow in large games but when I'm given the chance to get into the game I can be as powerful as a Nightmare.

[MegAzumarill]

HURT: MegA, Porkens, Ranger, DragonEater

[MegAzumarill]

HURT: MegA, Porkens, Ranger,

Interested what people think about the possible Imaginality signaling.

What do you mean by signaling?

Imaginality's use of nightmare. Feels like the kind of post I'd make if I was trying to tell my mafia budfies I was a traitor.

A. Throwaway post that won't be quoted or really brought up.
B. Use of a word not really perfectly fit into the sentence "Powerful as a nightmare" that's not a phrase I've ever heard before and it feels like another phrase better expresses it.
C. Plausible deniability- not explicitly provable like some crumbs are as well as the nightmare mechanic make it plausibly deniable to fit in context so it isn't an autolim if caught while being obvious for scum to spot.

Feels like the type of role crumb post I'd make in a normal tbh.

[MegAzumarill]

The rest of the iso though brief seems null to town so I'm not really sure.

[MegAzumarill]

I keep looking for reasons not to keep voting TemporalLich and they keep disappointing me.

@Gimli I don't use acronyms much but in that case was pointing out the hypocrisy of TemporalLich being LAMIST with their reply to Kawaii's question about what LAMIST means. So it amused me to use that phrase there.

I too am troubled by Empathice having me high in his townreads. In conjunction with telling me TemporalLich is too wolfy to be scum it feels like maybe hoping to sway me away from voting TemporalLich?

I don't see Porkens as scummy. I think I'd rather keep Porkens here a few more days because I feel like they are good at ruffling people's feathers compared to giving scum an easy ride.

I feel like Flea drove things more as town in the other game I was in with faer. Not sure that the difference is AI though but interested in thoughts of others who know Flea's meta betta.

112 and 268 from Meg are bad (both wishywashy fencesitty stuff) and if I wasn't still happy voting TemporalLich I'd probably be voting Meg instead.

Oh and I see Meg's fishing as well... yeah, VOTE: MegAzumarill

(P-edit: random fact of the day: the [post] tag only seems to work with 'post' written in lower case.)

Define fishing

[MegAzumarill]

pagetop brrrr

[MegAzumarill]

So you are just gut reading me in 1000 words, cool.

Not exactly.

I believe your actions are +scum regardless of alignment

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What does this even mean?

That Ranger thinks Porken's actions are hurting town's chance of winning.

[MegAzumarill]

I keep looking for reasons not to keep voting TemporalLich and they keep disappointing me.

@Gimli I don't use acronyms much but in that case was pointing out the hypocrisy of TemporalLich being LAMIST with their reply to Kawaii's question about what LAMIST means. So it amused me to use that phrase there.

I too am troubled by Empathice having me high in his townreads. In conjunction with telling me TemporalLich is too wolfy to be scum it feels like maybe hoping to sway me away from voting TemporalLich?

I don't see Porkens as scummy. I think I'd rather keep Porkens here a few more days because I feel like they are good at ruffling people's feathers compared to giving scum an easy ride.

I feel like Flea drove things more as town in the other game I was in with faer. Not sure that the difference is AI though but interested in thoughts of others who know Flea's meta betta.

112 and 268 from Meg are bad (both wishywashy fencesitty stuff) and if I wasn't still happy voting TemporalLich I'd probably be voting Meg instead.

Oh and I see Meg's fishing as well... yeah, VOTE: MegAzumarill

(P-edit: random fact of the day: the [post] tag only seems to work with 'post' written in lower case.)

Define fishing

Because the implication here is that you are saying its an intentional role signal in which case your response makes about 0 sense. If it isn't I'd like at least some explanation.

[MegAzumarill]

I voted Meg because I largely disagreed with almost every conclusion. I was thinking Ranger!Scum Enchant!Town, Drew!Town (obviously). Why is Porkens and Ranger your top townreads (above Kyoko who you state what i thought were better reasons for. Maybe respecting the scumrange but still idk.)

I don't see where scum!Porkens really needs to come in the way he did. I'll concede it's mostly tonal but it feels like they cause motion and I feel scum like the game stagnant especially in the state it has been for a while.

Ranger I haven't played with before but I do think their style has been good to reflect their reads. I feel like they are opening themselves to more insight and looking at their changes inbreadlists and the posts in between it doesn't really feel arbitrary sans the enchant shift which I've already referred to.

Dragoneater is probably my top townread atm though and I can go into detail if you'd prefer. I just forgor to put them in my first nightmare vote.

Kyoko sort of sits at nulltown rn for me. I could see myself adding them to nightmare vote if it was deadline rn but I'm reserving that for full townreads atm.

Also, I hate the wordy comment by Meg because it's true

[MegAzumarill]

I effort more as scum dw

[MegAzumarill]

I literally hate this game, can't deal with a large game at the mo, that is the main thing, but trying to keep up as best as I can.

But this game will make me angry, I have some fun and I am scum read.....ok. I have a feeling this game will be bad for my mental health.

You people are no fun. This is a game we play for fun, have some fun.

Like literally someone used my opening post about me talking about be upset about not being a CL as an actual case for me?

Fuck off with that, this is no way you possibly can be serious with that shit.

And TL, I have been voting Dragon for a minute.....there is my scum read. Oops all my bad I can't fake a scum read.....as kinda said before, it is D1 on a large game with wackadoo mechanics, and it is moving faster for my liking. I will focus on the microcosm that happens when I am free, and I will gives reads as I see such, if they are town reads.....is that so bad?

I need a fucking beer.

And before someone comes in and says 'AtE, classic scum move', first off wrong, being strung up for some shit reasons when trying to get into the game will bring out emotions, and actually I don't have a second lol.

I will say, Porkens shares a bit of dna with me, come out swinging when replacing in.

And they have a bit of a shit posting ruffle the feathers posting style sometimes, also in my dna.

I don't love their entrance, but think it is NAI.

Meg, you have experience with me in a game you modded where I was a bit more gentle replacing in, and I was scum. Not saying that I would never be aggro as scum, but this is one example.

And you have seen me in a game playing with you, and maybe wasn't as aggro.....and hey look, I was CL.

You are are judging me from one perspective.

Go look up greentexts for what I specifically meant.

I mean that makes three games where you haven't been forceful so I feel that point stands. Either it's not your playstyle or it is your playstyle as town, which implies the lack of it makes you scum here.

Saying you aren't outside of your scumgame isn't a condemnation I just don't think your play is variant enough away from seeing scum!you.

Althoigh thid doesn't feel like citadel conflict!you either but that was a pretty simple game to solve anyway from associatives so maybe it's a bad comparison.

But the impression I get from this post is you think that you have been extra aggro during this game which I don't really see tbh

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Although it also feels like I may just be missing a bit of context because it feels kind of roundabout for addressing the point to me at least.

(Sympathize eith the larges thing. I'm notoriusly bad at keeping up in them but this one has been much shorter than even some minis I've played before at this point d1 which is nice)

[MegAzumarill]

I mean its not particularly poetic and feels unnatural so random feels unlikely as as option 2.
It also directly links to about the only thing we know about the scumteam which is being bad dreams so I don't really see how you think it's far fetched?

I don't really think there's much value for scum!me to try to figure out your role since most targets would be about the same in role madness, so the idea I'd be trying to rolefish you feels like an odd accusation.

In either way I'd like to hear your thoughts on the rest of the game some more

[MegAzumarill]

Like the argument boils down to you think I see something that may or may not be a crumb, and town me wouldn't relate it to the thing it appears to be directly related to?

[MegAzumarill]

@Korina

Imaginality should be voting Kame not me