Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[camelCasedSnivy]

if abnegation is town then aureal is a fucking genius and yall can vig me in nightmare

[camelCasedSnivy]

KYOKO NOT AUREAL FFS

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yo does anyone wanna claim the action i was targetted with or nah

(this was the motivation)

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wtf std is town though

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HURT: python

[camelCasedSnivy]

UNVOTE:

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Do we think Snivy and StD are scum together? Cause if not that clears StD I think

well std would be trying to bus me day 1 and day 2 by that logic

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day 1 and day 3 mb

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what are the chances that std is godfather than the chances of kyoko putting in a full town team

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ircher/flea/rauth are good choices then

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also has anyone been roleblocked?

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Python, do you know if your motivation gives extra shots to limited shot roles? Like... does Snivy actually have two more shots instead of just one?

i assumed i would expend both shots

cant waste the motivation though when i have 3 shots

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theres no shot kkfc is the third party role from last game

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Neither Kyoko or Titus showed up with roleblocking abilities, and it seems irresponsible to not give scum a roleblocking ability in a role madness game?

nuh uh

on phone but searched titus and they had a jailkeep

[camelCasedSnivy]

a strongman announcing jailkeep actually

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isnt kkfc a rolestopper tho

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damn thats some good crumbing

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because abnegation is mason and std is a good dream on my check so the theorem of me/abne/std having one scum is wrong

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Problems Time:

1. No one claimed to have put Drew in (this was expected)

2. No one claimed the public TA result on me (this should have happened)

there was a role that was an inverse publishing mafia role last game which i originally thought it was but it told the truth, so maybe its a role that can choose a mod message?

[camelCasedSnivy]

We have three actions unaccounted for, unless there's something else I'm missing.

Inquiry goated perhaps?

I think just rolecopping should be enough

(i still have one shot left too)

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could we ask if someone can EITHER redirect, force someone in the nightmare, or can publish a mod message"

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EBWOP: ? not a fucking quotation

[camelCasedSnivy]

could we ask if someone can EITHER redirect, force someone in the nightmare, or can publish a mod message"

So the nightmare forcing is a day ability, but the other two are night ones. Do you think we could be dealing with another Mafia JOAT?

if there's 2 + traitor then the abilities would have to be spread out among all 3 of them

but the redirect and the published message happened on the same night, meaning a JOAT would be able to use 2 abilities at once

[camelCasedSnivy]

could we ask if someone can EITHER redirect, force someone in the nightmare, or can publish a mod message?

It's explicitly said that we can ask more than Yes or No questions, as long as there's no alignment information so like.

"What are all of the non-factional abilities this player can use?" ought to be just as good, if not better than a rolecop

wouldn't things like vigilante make it alignment indicative though, even if a person doesn't claim that aspect?

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I suppose you could Inquire: "What are all of the non-factional non-alignment specific abilities this player has?"

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HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Flea The Magician

It'd be pretty weird for Flea to not be town here so unless fae got converted n2 fae's probably town

why put 6

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HURT: Python

i wanna hear rauth claim first though

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oh fuck i completely missed that

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if its a mentor like last game then I think its possible

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fuck python beat me to it

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kk im bored

VOTE: Abnegation

werent you already voting std?

tbh now that i think about it std and abnegation reads were heavily based off of early gut reads when std was being annoying when voting me

std is town

decided to start sorting it here

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softing not sorting

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yeah but that was day 2 i used 2/3 shots night 2 because of motivation

that's why I investigated them

[camelCasedSnivy]

{Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70}
{usesPython}
{Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, sheepsaysmeep}
{Morning Tweet}
{camelCasedSnivy, Save The Dragons, Flea The Magician}
{Ircher}

Ignoring the claimed innocents, this is where I'm at.

Somewhere

, there must be 1-2 groupscum and 1 traitor. Ircher's a surefire bet for being scum imo. I'm not sure where the other 1-2 scum would be though.

I believe Doctor Drew saved usesPython N1 from the scum nightkill.
I believe all of Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, and sheepsaysmeep to be town by both play and their claimed roles. I don't think they're scum. 3p, possible; not scum.
I believe Morning Tweet's claim, and it's not a role likely scum.

Someone

has to be scum, beyond just Ircher. The pool of possibilities is quite small.

Rauth and std (and me ) are misplaced

[camelCasedSnivy]

{Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70}
{usesPython}
{Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, sheepsaysmeep}
{Morning Tweet}
{camelCasedSnivy, Save The Dragons, Flea The Magician}
{Ircher}

Ignoring the claimed innocents

, this is where I'm at.

Somewhere

, there must be 1-2 groupscum and 1 traitor. Ircher's a surefire bet for being scum imo. I'm not sure where the other 1-2 scum would be though.

I believe Doctor Drew saved usesPython N1 from the scum nightkill.
I believe all of Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, and sheepsaysmeep to be town by both play and their claimed roles. I don't think they're scum. 3p, possible; not scum.
I believe Morning Tweet's claim, and it's not a role likely scum.

Someone

has to be scum, beyond just Ircher. The pool of possibilities is quite small.

Rauth and std (and me ) are misplaced

[camelCasedSnivy]

whats ircher at rn dont wanna hammer

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Would us motivating you so that you can use the protect twice in one night be useful or no?

It'd give two doctor protections, so yes.

My concern is, if you broadcast who you're giving the motivation to, it also broadcasts who scum should interfere with.

its a day action

[camelCasedSnivy]

if we're going in 7p direction I think I should be included

Why? Sell yourself to me.

sheepsaysmeep couldn't have acted either N1 or N2. Scum already have a flipped strongman, therefore, sheep is near-certainly not one. As sheep is confirmed to have not acted, any unaccounted for action couldn't originate from him. Therefore, sheep's almost certainly town.

Yes, I wanted to hide this logic because I was uncertain how many scumteam members there are. If there are two unclaimed night abilities from N1 (redirect if it's an active ability and then the public scum TA) then sheep is confirmed town.

nuh uh

not if the other 2 mafia are doing the actions instead of sheep

[camelCasedSnivy]

could there exist a bus driver traitor?

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KKFC + sheep is a package deal, we either add both or we add neither

I say both.

I don't trust Save The Dragons to be town from the cop result alone.
I don't trust Flea The Magician to be town from dispensing a +town invention alone.

KKFC + sheepsaysmeep have both been in the prior N2 nightmare, and it seemed good enough then. I think they should stay N3.

What if that invention is FN? Would scum hand out a FN invention or something similar?

[camelCasedSnivy]

what if sheep has a strongwilled bus driver ability

[camelCasedSnivy]

if the majority is on python rn then ill vote

[camelCasedSnivy]

{Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70}
{usesPython}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub}
{Flea The Magician}
{Morning Tweet}
{camelCasedSnivy, Save The Dragons}
{Ircher}

Updated.

...so you trust flea more than the role which is basically

only

useful in town hands?

[camelCasedSnivy]

wait is the chess match against someone in the game??

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VOTE: Ircher

[camelCasedSnivy]

I'll just go ahead and say this but I know Rautherdir lied when he claimed actions, so you should fade him next.

what

[camelCasedSnivy]

I'll just go ahead and say this but I know Rautherdir lied when he claimed actions, so you should fade him next.

How?

That's for me to know and you to find out later.

bro thinks he's mysterious

[camelCasedSnivy]

ranger what chess elo are you

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There's still a hypothetical chance you're partners and this is a 5D chess move, but we can sort that out soon enough.

only one person here needs to worry about chess right now

I'd like to point out that Ranger was supposedly targeted by a roleblocker N1. As I pointed out before, Kyoko said only Cat Scratch Fever visited Ranger N1. As much as we'd like to think scum would lie, I don't think Kyoko really had an incentive to lie about that action. Thus, if usePython was really the N1 kill, why didn't Ranger's protect work but Drew's bodyguard did?

are you claiming a roleblock

I'll have to go look at that PoE for targets tonight I suppose... I feel pretty safe doing preflip for Ircher at this point so what do we think about what that means? (Assuming they don't like flip cult or something at which point I'd be very lost)

If you are town (which I doubt), I'd shoot Morning Tweet or Ranger. Ranger hasn't actually confirmed herself yet even though she claims she could do so at any point. With as many mason claims as there are out here already, I don't understand why Ranger hasn't used her ability yet.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Omniscient Shadow for the role name, I assume the red flavor text counts as the "meat" of the PM, no?

Ircher keep in mind that this is 100% why I think there is a godfather/framer to obfuscate my results (and also why i believed rat's miller claim without question)

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Ircher, why are you only bringing up my claim now? Not on the moment I claimed?

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Nah, I don't think godfather is likely. It would mess with expectations too much, and look at the powers scum has already flipped with. How would the godfather fit in?

There was a godfather last game, godfather could just be a modifier along with whatever abilities the mafiosi have

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pagetop

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oh my god sometimes i forget that ircher is literally outed scum why the fuck am i even arguing

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when i played rapid i peaked 700 but that was half a year ago man it lost popularity and i moved on

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i mean people could be lying about how good they are at chess

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Spoiler:

1. e4 e5

[camelCasedSnivy]

not to brag but i could totally curbstomp ranger

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Oh turns out I was misremembering this. That's our Blitz rating, our Rapid was around ~1700 on Lichess

dang thats good

Spoiler:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6

[camelCasedSnivy]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6

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Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6

[camelCasedSnivy]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5

[camelCasedSnivy]

oh no

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxe5 dxe5

[camelCasedSnivy]

i mean if i should continue,

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxe5 dxe5 7. Qxd8+ Kxd8 8.Bg5 h6

[camelCasedSnivy]

oh idk about lichess i was 700 in rapid on chess.com

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i gotta go somewhere in 5 minutes so ill probably drop it

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Just ignore that post please.

ayo

[camelCasedSnivy]

would korina add a jester?

[camelCasedSnivy]

I wanna ask who I should use my last alignment cop shot on but the redirection is gonna fuck with that so if I could get options maybe?

[camelCasedSnivy]

I wanna ask who I should use my last alignment cop shot on but the redirection is gonna fuck with that so if I could get options maybe?

If you want a guilty, Rautherdir is the correct play. If you want to narrow the PoE, Morning Tweet.
If you are paranoid, you should do Ranger.

ranger is an IC we can just ask them in cylo right?

unless ofc they have some sort of extra kp

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fr

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@Korina does a redirection ability have priority over an absorber ability?

[camelCasedSnivy]

sure

@Korina does a redirection ability have priority over a copy ability?

[camelCasedSnivy]

tbh i dont understand NAR i think asking the question is good enough

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wait wtf

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wait i thought i couldnt receruit groupscum ircher never told me they were mafia

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ah so thats why there was no scumkill

goofy

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i was also shocked day 1 when rat already deducted i was third party which is why i had to recruit em

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i was also shocked day 1 when rat already deducted i was third party which is why i had to recruit em

I'm guessing this failed?

richer bus drove rat and themselves

[camelCasedSnivy]

ircher*

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i didnt recruit night 1

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there were 2.5 scumteams this game

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i tried to recruit abnegation night 3 which wouldve been really funny having access to 3 PTs

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no redactions in white space either though it was fun to talk to literally nobody

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why was csf pm changed

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oh right im a dumbass

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Something else I can finally answer:

Why couldn’t I answer if masons could be culted? It opened more opportunities for CCS if I never confirmed it, and meant that I never explicitly had to answer anything about the cult, because with a cult, there are a lot of variations of cult leader I could be running. Also it’s really funny to watch people try to guess what I’d allow with a cult in my game LOL.

didn't even matter in the end