mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)
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Just declaring our headspace team in case it matters to anyone but me.
Orphee, Coda, Ad, Enu and Curse (that's me). If we don't sign and we talk more or less like this, it's just me, otherwise we should sign. I'm doing very little decision-making, mostly just communication.
Judging by the group composition, I'd say we're probably going to wobble around and shitpost and ask basic socialization questions most of the time, try to do very tricky smart things sometimes (and knowing Enu, act very smug and self-satisfied about them), and rarely ask a two or three word question that everyone goes "oh damn that's a good one" about. That said, I don't know how this group plays well enough yet to promise that for sure. Hooray!
Expect intermittency: I owe someone synth organ still, I'm gearing up to start my own music project, and I'm flirting with cute systems at all hours, while also tackling a massive writing project. Also I probably won't do megaposts like I used to in the olden times (2021 or so).
Going to sit back and watch the RVS right now, because dishes and synth organ call my name.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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It's for an extremely deathy nu-metal song with a bunch of gated hard-trance chords (I made those too). The outro is this extremely fun funk-hop deal and I'm going to smoothly fade in the organ synth from the distorted super saw chords, then do those long funk-rock sustained organ notes with soul/heavy psych organ licks that warp into more gated trance chords. This is a ton of work, but it will sound so damn cool.In post 14, Skygazer wrote: synth organ sounds fun by the way
next weekend i'm gonna give synthesizer lessons to someone i just met :0
PEDIT: Snuffed On Sight's album was just so much fun. Hunter did such a good job doing the production.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I support this, but only because schadd_ owes me Riot At The Bat Rack-posting.In post 21, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: VOTE: koba
my only goal in this game is to somehow get to be the first person to be knocked out of the park by my boy Tommy Edman come hell or high water199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Pooky, you cannot pocket me, not least because 3/5ths of me did not exist before late 2022, and Ad (the other one who did) has all the emotional depth of a puddle of concrete.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I might be the one with most of my head in the game, it seems, which is funny because exactly 194/199 of my head is not in the game at all.
PEDIT: No, this is some concrete mixed by a drunk dad who knows that, in theory, concrete is sort of liquidy, and slopped a bit of the resulting rock-soup onto the garage floor by accident.
Also, if you can manipulate Ad, you'll be the first, buddy!199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I don't know why I'm so low. I'm waiting on valuable information. There's one and only one player who can post in a meaningful way right now. Might as well shitpost with the rest of the weirdoes while I wait.In post 66, Ranger wrote: {Doctor Drew}
{Skygazer}
{Meuh}
{Alisae}
{PookyTheMagicalBear}
{Morning Tweet}
{MUSHSHAGANA}
{DKKoba}
{xyzzy}
{HighPrincessErinys}
Current.
Also, if you could explain your thoughts on HPE being bottomed out, I'd appreciate it.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Town loss. Rules say it's specifically scummy townies who get batted out.In post 83, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
we should honestly just not vote at all and let the whimsy of tommy edman's batting hand decide how this game goesIn post 79, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: its actually wild that morning tweet has decided to openwolf but no1 will vote for her because we all want to be tommy edman's first home run
Never mind, Ranger, I get you.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Making dinner too. This might be the most involved alfredo sauce I've ever made.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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No, that was just what Pooky was shitposting about. This sounds like it could be either kind of Pooky, according to Enu (headmate).In post 103, ofrhz wrote:
Did pooky do something that makes you think they're pocketing you?In post 39, MUSHSHAGANA wrote: Pooky, you cannot pocket me, not least because 3/5ths of me did not exist before late 2022, and Ad (the other one who did) has all the emotional depth of a puddle of concrete.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I cannot believe how much sauce this made. It's concerning.
Anyway, please explain your serious vote, ofrhz.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I want a Koba post addressing their wagon before I make a move there.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I posted, then I was like, did I get Koba's pronoun right or did I do the generalalized-statement-edited-to-individual-without-changing-pronouns thing? I still don't know, but at least I didn't misgender by bad rewriting habits this time.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Admitting I don't know enough about Koba's play here. Enu says we looked into it at one point, but I have no recollection of that and I disdain meta as a rule anyway.In post 158, ofrhz wrote:
You mean you think they're scum righy?In post 147, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: also the reason I think koba is town is because they know enough about setup and they are ruthlessly good at abusing setup quirks so the fact they didnt lead off with the speedrun strat is p lolscumclaimy to me
also popping in and claiming they've seen enough from me when im spamming the shit out of this thread is pretty ? like id imagine if they were town they'd at least be fighting me for thread control instead of just popping in saying three words and disappearing on me
Pedit: I'm playing mafia for fun so that should give you an idea of how bored I am LMAO
Pooky being the first to bring up the absurdity of the numbers first could go either way, but early-lock on Koba sounds town-Pooky-ish to me. Granted, that's really thin and meta-based and I hate myself for saying it, but I'm in the middle of developing a new playstyle with the aid of my system, so I'm gonna do some real weak shit in the meantime.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Hi! We’ll do a reread after we wake up and stuff, but we’re kinda thinking, Koba’s fine for now? Dannflor’s weird, not sure if we vibe or not with it? Enu says Pooky and Cakez look town here… and that’s it otherwise!
—Coda199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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SirCakez,
I read the posts you make, and they seem in line with what we know of you. It is not a particularly strong opinion, I merely think you are more likely to be town than not right now. This question mildly reinforces that opinion.
--Enu Kashkashshu, Ushdubsar199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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HPE is HighPrincessErinys.In post 172, The Bulge wrote: who?
Catch up posting follows:
Koba, to be clear, 104 is crap because it just threw a nothing-vote at Pooky and didn't even bring up that you were being wagoned. The stuff after you start being active looks basically fine, though. Big fan of the wording in 199, especially.
Dannflor, what's inconsistent about 78? Koba was the only person who could post anything meaningful at that point for moving the game-state, I didn't have much reason to dig while I waited. I also thought HPE was functionally doing the same as me in the moment, so I was curious how we got placed so differently. It's also not incoherent at all. Thoughts are mostly positive here, but it's pretty thin. Early game and all.
The Bulge is just kind of not there to my brain. Enu says they're plenty present, Coda and Orphee agree with me that they're sliding off of the brain even while we read their posts, Ad has attack-dog face, so it's kind of a wash what's up over there. We're collectively vaguely negative on this slot, but I personally have a positive spin based on past experiences with posting-sliding-off-the-brain. When I find a player whose brain parses cleanly to me, I'll probably follow their lead on this slot specifically.
Enu says Cakez is town, but I really hate 234 and 235. Kind of agreeing with Skygazer's 236 there. I think Enu is (kind of has to be, honestly) working from 249 here, which, okay, that looks like town Cakez, but that's one fucking post and it's preceded with a warning that he'll be shitposty, so it's fakeable.
Vague positive feeling on xyzzy. Stepping up for Ranger in 129 could be scum buddying, if it wasn't Ranger. (Admittedly I don't know lots about Ranger, but eh, I know enough.) Shitposts feel surprisingly revealing.
Skygazer is one of my trademark "not sharing thoughts here" slots. Keep posting!
Not a fan of iamveryhappy's posting style, but it could be NAI. I'm withholding judgement.
Don't like ofhrz! Don't like that posting! I don't have a good word to describe what it feels like in Mafia-jargon, but the word that comes to mind is "slip-streaming". Coasting behind someone else, occasionally shifting who they're keeping ahead of them. It feels like they're trying to be what The Bulge actually is.
Alisae, Meuh, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet and RCEnigma are just nothing to me. The posting is largely missing and not particularly revealing so far. There's a small split here between "exactly one post that feels slightly AI" and "nothing-posts from front to back", but it's insignificant right now.
0verki11 and sheepsaysmeep are MIA.
Catch-up done, which is a now-unusual megapost. Fun. By prior agreement, the rest of our activity today will be Orphee-posting, unless someone gets specifically asked for.
PEDIT: Oh nice, a votecount! Based on that, yeah. Increasing negative vibe on ofrhz and asking schadd_ what the hell's going on with Skygazer's wagon.
VOTE: ofhrz199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Why is he even there? Is he like a defensive specialist?In post 258, schadd_ wrote: he swung at this slider that went really low and inside twice and so the pitcher just kept throwing it even lower and insider and he didnt swing at it and then it hit him in the foot199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Oh. That was Koba. Koba had quite a wagon and hadn't posted since it started rolling. Koba posted, we can pay attention to other things now.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I should have signed that.
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We were so focused on Koba that the rest of the game was background noise. Once Koba posted, we were able to begin looking at how everyone acted around them.
Unless you thought "we" meant the whole game. Which it didn't. I meant that as we-I, not we-us.
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We were bigger on blaseball than baseball before the ILB screamed and died horribly, but we watch enough Jon Bois to have that particular mixed feeling on baseball -- that we think it's boring, but kind of funny. Personally, I like racing sports more than ball sports.
If we're talking about bats as weapons, Ad's more into combat sport.
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Not supposed to be playing but it’s my turn in front! Curse was just curious about positioning but doesn’t think there’s any particular value to the list or positions on it right now?
—Samir
PEdit: If Tommy gets incinerated it will imply the existence of necromancy! I’m torn on this!199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Normally, would be opposed. Don't like to rush. Team says the slot's all bad, though. Burn it.In post 299, Dannflor wrote: we could just speedlim ofrhz
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Tapping out for the day. I glutened myself like a fool because I forgot that Twix contain gluten yesterday, and now I'm hypoglycemic, ornery and literally too weak to walk to the store to get some source of sugar, because I don't have anything high-sugar here and I can't properly break down and absorb normal human food.
Will catch up and post tomorrow.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Rereading stuff on phone starting from p13, glutening yourself fucking sucks holy shit I forgot this used to be an every-other-day thing for me, how the fuck did I survive199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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NOTES FROM REREAD:
I'll be spoilering blocks and breaking out questions to particular people. Also things that aren't strictly part of catch-up.
Spoiler:
(Sidebar: I have thoughts about the whole "reading someone on the optimal-play" thing, because I also thought of that play out of the gate but wanted to sit on it in case someone said something extremely non-optimal. I'll explain after I catch up, if I remember.)
Spoiler:
Koba loses the plot in 396, exactly precipitated by what I predicted: sustained pressure on ofrhz. Koba, tell me: are you at all aware of what this looks like from the outside? Are you really wanting to go down with this garbage ship that even you said you wouldn't miss? Why die on this hill instead of any other? Your 402 was previously explained by Ranger (she's about to be busy) and confirmed by none other than you personally your own self as in line with her meta for those who respect meta.
Spoiler:
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ofrhz, tell me, why do you look like scum trying to distract off of Koba? If I wasn't following hard-earned experience on Pooky, I'd say that Koba was the same for you. Could also be my experience doesn't apply with Koba, though. Why do you two look like scumbuddies? Why is Koba using some of your worst posts as evidence of a town mindset? I'm already voting you but I'd do it again if I could.
HPE reading my mind across space-time. I like you. Actually, I tend to get along with dolls in general, but this says I can probably use your brain as a co-processor, which isn't super common (I find on average something like ~0.6 players per game I can do that with, maximum ever was 2 in one game). This doesn't mean you're getting a town-pass from me, just that I'm able to calibrate reality from your posting. Stick around for awhile.
Spoiler:
Alright, all done. Let's collect a readslist.
Spoiler: Reads
I'm supposed to be done megaposting! I'm supposed to be out! Help! Help!199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Isn't Pooky's scum game.
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We miscounted time. Three hours for Curse's big post.
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Me? Never actually played with Pooky. Observer only.
Curse? Mistook Pooky for scum in Death Curse. Learned its lesson.
This? Same exact game as Death Curse. Step by step.
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Mm. You have a reputation. Don't care much for meta. But, well. Some folks are too consistent. Have to pay attention.
Koba's not scum for inconsistencies. Inconsistencies, NAI. Gravy for whatever meat. Koba's scum for wagon-stoppage. Curse says scum wagons build fast, halt at ~2/3s. Koba's scum for other players' ratfuckery. Curse caught good scum off of that before. Koba's scum for hard defense of a slot they don't like, no one else likes either. Check 396-398.
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Koba, I think you're mistaken about how we play things. We don't really use meta unless we have to because of a history of misreading a player as one alignment or another. We know we misread Pooky when he's town, but we have a tendency to paranoia about his slot when he doesn't immediately look like he did the first time we ever played a game with him, even said he should be policied in a game where he was in a hydra with Noraa. (Mountain Dew, right?)
We don't know your usual play. We don't care about it, either. Aside from players who have a reputation for certain behaviors being NAI, like Ranger, we ignore any meta we don't have first hand experience with. We hate even using meta we do have first-hand experience with, unless it's meta that isn't player-specific: finding someone to use as a co-processor, recognizing contemplative back-seat players we can question in the later phases, etc.
We don't care that you gain accuracy over time. If we're wrong this time, we'll keep it in mind. But you have chosen entirely the wrong slot and wrong tactic.
We care about what the game looks like now, in the moment. In the moment, you look like scum. We do not care about your history or your playstyle or your WL% or your EV or your frustration with how other players treat you because of meta that we have never read and will never read. We don't. We are immovable and uninterested. Argue your case by playing through, and if it doesn't work, know that you did the only thing that ever could have worked on us. Because we don't care.
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Your effort has nothing to do with your scumread. This early in the game, especially.
We're telling you the same we tell everyone else across all our games, since you like meta. We don't care about meta and meta is not going to convince us of anything. In fact, if we have a read based on meta we're going to treat it as trash and, if anything, be biased to swinging away from it. As with Pooky now, in fact.
If you want to convince us, convince us with current play, not long dead games. There is no other option for you. There is, in fact, no other option for anyone.
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As regards 651: False.
Curse has used these exact sort of reads to catch red in the past.
Also, you're wrong on what we'd do in your position. This early, in Day 1, right now, if someone had a well-reasoned scumread on us, we'd ask them to detail it, see if there are any holes in their argument from their perspective, regardless of our thoughts on that argument's merits, and if there are none, move on. Ignore them. For instance, we hate meta, but would accept a meta scumread as just something we don't understand enough to fix.
We do get tunnelled on low-explanation scumreads of our slot, or ones that attribute specific particular thoughts to us. But if you and we were to swap positions right now, we would genuinely just move on. If there's nothing to be done, there's nothing to be done, and they've done their due diligence from their perspective. All we can do is hope to argue our case to others.
As regards 652:
We find meta absolutely worthless in all but a very few cases. Those cases are always cases we seek to minimize or eliminate from our play, they are only temporary stabilizers for the early game or if we have lost sight of the game-state. Everyone who argues about the merits of meta with us fails to understand that nothing will change that for us, because we could switch to single-member games and have rotations, and then all meta would fail on us. We know people who can convincingly take on the guise of another person for a single conversation, so fully that they become unrecognizable, and they aren't even plural. There are people who even learn from past mistakes.
Meta is useless. We will never be convinced otherwise. This approach has benefitted us in every game that we have had sight of the game-state.
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If it was just the wagon-stall, one-dimensional might be correct. There's also the way that other scummy players positioned around you. Players who are scummy independent of you. There's also how you went, unheralded, from "this player is bad and I will not miss them" to a hard-defense of the same slot. There's also the dynamics of the 1v1 with you and Ranger, from frustrated to purely combative to resigned to combative to resigned for real.
The read isn't one-dimensional, you just don't like the dimensions. Fair, but we aren't changing how we play for you anymore than we'd expect you to change how you play for us.
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Count again: there are four reasons.
And if we're talking math, yes, two one-dimensional vectors do combine into a two dimensional plane, unless they are the same vector scaled differently. Any two basis vectors that aren't the same vector scaled differently can reach any point on the plane.
Similarly, two reasons that individually would not make us scumread someone may together cover enough ground that we feel comfortable doing so.
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We agree ofrhz is a better option right now. We don't think Koba can get out of this hole and make a dramatic turnaround, and we think they're the winning candidate for an Edman dinger if we're wrong on alignment, which would be a way better way to confirm there.In post 659, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one still has a few doubts about Koba but it's just gonna park here instead.
VOTE: ofrhz
Not a fan of your vibes, let alone what this one pointed out in 472.
ofrhz is under-the radar, doing ratfuckery. That's ordinarily my job (out of games, that is), so I'm understandably a bit angry about this.
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...Pretend I put the correct number of dashes there. Under-the-radar. Like that.
I blame the gluten.
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I mean, Ad trusts you right now Pooky, so I'm gonna say you've either defeated the danger-sense that we didn't know even existed until it caused a surprise game-winning replace-out a couple months back, or you're provisionally town.
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Uh, I already did consider why I misread town Pooky? I always do a post-mortem of my play after the end of a game. It's even in all the threads. Each time, I reread the whole game and come to conclusions about how myself and everyone else played, mistakes I made, things I can improve on. Except for Burdened By Secrecy, which was a case where Ad stunned our system and the game was over so fast no one else found their footing, if you check the post-game of any game I've played, I analyze my own play or admit that I lost track of the game and can't really recover enough to be sure. Death Curse was a game I was firing on all cylinders, maximum power.
He's doing exactly as much solving as he did in Death Curse. Go ISO that behemoth game if you don't believe me -- and for the record, using Death Curse as an example since you're fond of meta, you're this game's Noraa.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Next Cardinals series starts tonight, schadd_. I hope you remember to hear the dulcet tones of Cliff Rigano if and when Tommy blows a hole through the bleachers and bulldozes some kid's car in the parking lot.
Or, you know, sigh in relief when he does another infield single that's barely better than a bunt.
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You never know. He could get lucky. Ever watch the Dorktown Dave Stieb special? Total losers breaking up no-hitters with upper-deck artillery barrages out there. Tommy's got a chance.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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No, he's just normal-bad at the plate. I'm talking guys who had single-digit career home runs.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I don't think there's any world where xyzzy's Koba vote comes from town. There's no realistic world where that vote with that explanation is townie. Either scum angling for a mis-elimination, a bus, or (my preferred theory) poisoning the wagon with a really awfully reasoned vote after it's lost momentum. (That last one holds regardless of Koba's alignment, a smarter player would do it to town-Koba, but it's a viable defense of scum-Koba too.)
The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.
I'm inclined to let xyzzy coast on it in the hopes that Edman crushes two dingers in this series. If xyzzy doesn't go down from that, there's no way the slot isn't red.
Truthfully, Dannflor, your xyzzy defense is making your own slot drop in my reads. That isn't an ultimatum, I'd drop you further if you immediately about-faced (it'd seem focused on pleasing the crowd over building your own solve-space), it's just a statement.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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I can accept they might not know at the time of making the post. Not explaining anything, just stating it as if it's an obvious, uncontroversial fact smells like trying to shape the gamestate, but a big part of whether it's actually scum is the posts that follow. Part of making these reads, though, is you have to treat it as scumclaiming or they have no reason to react to it.In post 705, Dannflor wrote:
i don't follow "they have to know they're alone in thinking it" - why is that such a ridiculous thoughtIn post 702, MUSHSHAGANA wrote: The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.
what consideration do you have towards a disengaged-town world for xyzzy's vote?
I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here because they have suddenly become a consensus scum read and that seems a disproportionate gamestate reaction to the posts they've actually made
When the next post ignores the entire active list's scumreads on them for the post in question, that's when it becomes unrealistic for any town player.
Disengaged town makes one of these mistakes, doesn't make both. I accept that town hoping to get batted past the nosebleeds might, the gimmick is a fun one after all, but that's what makes this a "let's get two dingers, Tommy" situation and not an "eliminate here" situation.
That's also why I want ofhrz over Koba or xyzzy for the elimination. ofhrz isn't openwolfing and isn't a favored contender for consensus scumread on more nuanced grounds, but the play over there has awful vibes that make it feel like a highly-red slot and, if you aren't convinced, I feel like the slot's elimination is great for the Day 2 information space because a lot of slots have weighed in on it. While Koba and xyzzy both also have had a lot of opinions made about them (indeed, Koba might be the most information-rich slot), I feel they're likely to be solved by Tommy, one way or another.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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How bad are we talking?
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Didn't even swing for the last strike. I hope Mr. Edman is just saving his strength.In post 744, Skygazer wrote: i know very little about baseball but "struck out looking" in the play by play felt like a roast
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The face I made scared the dogs. Amazing. That's what you get for giving your plumber a bastard sword, I guess.In post 747, schadd_ wrote:it's sort of like he spent two at bats waiting for the right pitch and when it came he was like "yup, there it was"
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Yeah, have to agree there. It's one thing when it's loudly scummy slots, but if schadd_ is down to the lurkers, either all of town is obving or we got a Matt Olson situation going on and town's in a real bad spot.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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The man already can't bat! That's too cruel for words, schadd_. I'm disgusted.In post 757, DkKoba wrote: alright this is where i reveal that schadd did indeed give me a PR that lets me for 1 series decrease Tommy Edman's ability to bat. Not sure about the legality of all this, but you're welcome.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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To be clear about my position on Pooky, I'm not married to my townread there. I'm willing to throw him to the fire. It's waaaaay too early to be making hard townreads. Basically the only player I wouldn't ritually sacrifice if it came down to it right this second is HPE, and that's more of a "let's see what someone whose brain makes sense to me sees" thing. I like having a window into the rest of the player list in the early game.
It's more that I think Koba's reasoning on Pooky is crap and the way it was presented to us made Orphee especially spiteful about it and I wasn't a fan either. Just a "No, actually, just out of pure spite" response, rather than a stubborn willingness to defend Pooky to the death.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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It was presented pretty poorly, but seems to be entirely down to… weak, weak meta. “Pooky does this as scum and not as town, except sometimes.” That’s a high level executive summary, and it says very little because very little was said of substance. “Pooky isn’t solving/hunting”, specifically, is the only point I picked out of the meta argument.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Don't die! Remember to hydrate! Don't eat strange mushrooms!In post 776, SirCakez wrote: I have a lot to read here wish me luck see you later etc etc
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Waking up to this. I’ll reread after good and caffeine acquisition, but I have mostly the same reads. Alisae drops to Drew-tier.
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Food is good, but I was trying to say food there and not to say good.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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Skipping the catchup megapost because I'm trying to get out of that mindset/playstyle -- it's not consistent enough for me.
Basic summary: Alisae went from null to kinda scummy because of the xyzzy-town thing after everything. Like if that slot is town it's town trying to ride a homer out of Mystery Box Stadium. If you just "town " that slot right now, I have concerns about your motivations. Questioning the scumminess like Dannflor did is less frustratingly out-of-touch to me.
RCE did not similarly shift because I get the impression that RCE isn't engaged with the game and has no intention of figuring it out right now. Like I think Koba's right, just sheeping effort. And... okay, that's fair, I'll let that coast for now, it's literally Day 1 and there are better leads to dig at.
Nothing else really changed in my reads. Yesterday didn't involve much AI content.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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If it was that strong a read, we'd be pushing your wagon to the point of irritating everyone else. Scummy but not worth pressuring at present, is where we stand.In post 894, Alisae wrote: Eww I tr’d xyzzy bro I must be mafia
You also didn't even seem to try to defend or explain your read, which, sure, could be us dealing with hypoglycemia when we reread. Either way, it was the impression we got and assuming we didn't miss something in a haze, it remains true.
You don't have to like it or even be polite about it, of course. We just think this is misleading. Not enough to be intentional, almost certainly just part of the dismissive tone, but still misleading. Dismissiveness and sarcasm is to be expected. When it can be misunderstood, we'll simply correct things.
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I'm going through a reread right now, and I decided to start catchup posting here, because I wanted to say when I saw this that hey, Koba is right about this. I agree, actually. Good call. Thumbs-up.In post 1102, DkKoba wrote:doesnt seem like you care about solving bluesnek the way youre just begging people to get more votes and push them over when there is much they have yet to potentially say.
My main "why the hell is Alisae pushing Snakelet this hard" is based on the fact that that slot got replaced and is two days behind everyone else. We're also in Day 1, and the posting isn't great, but it's not fucking awful either. There's waaaaay worse. ofrhz is miserable -- oh, but Alisae is townreading that slot and xyzzy.
Alright. Alisae can join them.
Koba's made a pretty good showing of getting out of this hole so far, but I'm making a point of refusing to let these D1 moments slide this game.
I don't agree with HPE on Pooky being scum here. This looks more like my experience with town Pooky in every way right now. I won't say it's good or fun play, but it's in line with his town game. And just to get ahead of Koba's accusations of me being snowed, if 1 is confscum and 5 is conftown, Pooky's a solid 3 right now. HPE is closer to 4.3.
Drew dropping precipitously. This reeks of opportunism -- trying to sink a slot already under fire. Similar to what ofrhz did during Koba/Ranger, as a matter of fact, just direct attacks instead of taking heat. I don't think Drew/Koba is theater, but it's not TvT.
I'm pretty sure I have two town in Drew/Koba/ofrhz/xyzzy/Alisae. Inclined to rule it Koba/xyzzy as the town in my scumbucket based on the D1 dynamics so far. Drew/ofrhz vibe on the same opportunistic dynamic levels, and Alisae's pinging Ad's spidey-sense in addition to poor reads and the baseless/empty Snakelet push. Guess at where the other two are right now -- one in the nulls, one in the townreads. Might be wrong on Pooky, or HPE. It's D1, I'll let it slide for now, I have more value bouncing my brain off of those slots than I do eliminating them up front right now.
My nulls I got no clue, I'll wait for flips to theorize about slot five.
Back to the catchup.
Koba, explain the Meuh vote. Never mind, the no-explanation Drew/ofrhz townreads make me . Null for you, you inexplicable nothing-poster.
Archiving my Drew/Pooky reads because of the replace outs -- want to give the new players a fair chance to sink/save their slots.
Koba's case in 1213 is the first time I have to seriously reconsider my read there. Dannflor was already dropping a bit, the case against Snakelet was (as Koba rightly pointed out) garbage, Alisae has Ad pointing and howling, and Dannflor's ISO indeed fails to bring any other post before 1214 up on searching "Ali". Koba, are you town? Are you actually town? HPE, give me where you started TRing Koba and explain it? Your brain makes sense to me, show me this through your eyes.
Re: 1234: Koba, I've got a very good track record out of ignoring meta, and we agree on Alisae here. Let me have my process, I'll let you have yours, and if we agree on something, it'll be a stronger case for the differences.
Caught up.
Ad wants to kill Alisae right now today, but I'm still target-locked on ofrhz, and Orphee supports me. Enu doesn't care, Coda leans ofrhz, so we're staying where we are for now. If Alisae's wagon needs a hammer vote promise, consider me it.199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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We find Alisae unconvincing. If anything, we're more sour on that slot than we were. Talking about how we don't play often so we don't know what we're doing is actually mostly insulting. I'm inclined to have you out from spite alone, and Ad was already baying for your blood.
But Coda, Enu and Curse still say it's ofrhz, so you coast for now. Unfortunately. However.
Anyone pushing the idea that you cannot decide to agree with scum is someone who doesn't understand how social games work, or is scum themselves, aiming for a spurious clear. We regularly agree with scum we've caught but not yet decided to push to an early grave. Why? It is in scum's interest to be agreed with. It is in scum's interest to make sensible statements that get people townreading them. Bussing is this, one tier higher. Saying truthful, easily-agreed with things is easier for scum than to bus, because it involves no sacrifice.
Does scum bus?
It does.
The argument is misdirection. If we can convince Enu, Coda or Curse, you're today's meat, Alisae.
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We have rules about how the system operates. If the majority says it's ofrhz, we grit our teeth and push through. I am frustrated that Curse hasn't had the free time or energy for a hard push there yet, though. This should have been over yesterday.In post 1392, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Consider that it's nightless and you can just immediately go and start getting ofrhz killed after Alisae flips without any delay.In post 1390, MUSHSHAGANA wrote: We find Alisae unconvincing. If anything, we're more sour on that slot than we were. Talking about how we don't play often so we don't know what we're doing is actually mostly insulting. I'm inclined to have you out from spite alone, and Ad was already baying for your blood.
But Coda, Enu and Curse still say it's ofrhz, so you coast for now. Unfortunately.
--Orphee Nuit199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
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MUSHSHAGANA IT/ITSMafia ScumIT/ITS
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1717
- Joined: August 13, 2020
- Pronoun: IT/ITS
- Location: Everett-Wheeler Branch Q-5992-CLF3, Third Mouth of the Worm
MT is a nothing slot from our perspective. It was neither town nor scum. Curse was sad to lose The Bulge, though it understood how that happened.
As for why MT survived and The Bulge didn't, presumably schadd_ felt that eliminating a prodded player before they have a chance to post again would be too mean-spirited. This is just our best attempt at being generous and kindhearted, we don't really care too much about the slot in question either way.
--Orphee Nuit199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
It/its pronouns only.-
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MUSHSHAGANA IT/ITSMafia ScumIT/ITS
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1717
- Joined: August 13, 2020
- Pronoun: IT/ITS
- Location: Everett-Wheeler Branch Q-5992-CLF3, Third Mouth of the Worm