mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[SirCakez]

This is basically a meme game
We can't even elim people lol

[SirCakez]

Ohh wait I misunderstood rules, we have elim + modkills?

[SirCakez]

correct

VOTE: cakez

bad entrance

This has to be a record of how fast I've managed to get a legit vote on me

[SirCakez]

If it wasn't already obvious I'm not gonna be taking this game too seriously

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pooky we can just get this out of the way now

[SirCakez]

Kinda just want to join the Koba wagon for the lols

[SirCakez]

Enu how can you have me as town after like four generic posts lol

[SirCakez]

Woah game happened

[SirCakez]

I have a lot to read here wish me luck see you later etc etc

[SirCakez]

pooky wanna tunnel eachother for like 10 pages and then end up townreading eachother by the end anyways

the only way I would townread you is if you deliver to me dead scum

This is a pretty good level to where I start with Koba

[SirCakez]

I'm only on page 17 but Kona is looking like a most likely to die to Tommy Edman candidate rn LOL

[SirCakez]

Koba*
Ugh ebwop

[SirCakez]

How often does this dude hit home runs like are we gonna be seeing a lot of mod elims here or like not really

[SirCakez]

Haha definitely didn't fall asleep halfway through reading yesterday..

[SirCakez]

Gonna appeal to cakes directly, you let this kind of pooky get away with this kind of play in pokemon mafia and I sure hope you aren't again.

I feel like it is wayyyyy too early to pull that comparison out, like I barely have reads on anyone in this game yet I have no clue if Pooky is like Pokemon

[SirCakez]

How often does this dude hit home runs like are we gonna be seeing a lot of mod elims here or like not really

Cakez proving once again they did not pay the most attention to the setup. Not many, for the most part.

This is a bastard game where the mod randomly assassinates people based on a baseball player
Who could take it seriously

[SirCakez]

Ok, I paid attention to ofrhz. Mostly the things It's Highness pointed out in #472.

I read Ranger and ofrhz combined ISOs. From #15 to #91 it's all Ranger (including her readlists). From #97 to #112 it's all ofrhz talking about things other than Ranger. The next post from either of them is ofrhz's "serious" vote on Ranger, which he later explains was because of Ranger's readlists.

I agree, this development makes 0 sense. ofrhz voted without a reason, and then invented a reason when questioned.

VOTE: ofrhz

lets eliminate this guy day 1
I mean koba is also fine but this guy DEFINITELY flips mafia
VOTE: BlueSnek[/b]

I'll sheep this LOL
VOTE: BlueSnek

[SirCakez]

But Koba has been flailing literally from their first post maybe we should put them out of their misery lmao sorry Koba but it doesn't look good imo

[SirCakez]

we shall see bc I am fine getting rid of BlueSnek atm

[SirCakez]

How often does this dude hit home runs like are we gonna be seeing a lot of mod elims here or like not really

Cakez proving once again they did not pay the most attention to the setup. Not many, for the most part.

This is a bastard game where the mod randomly assassinates people based on a baseball player
Who could take it seriously

Cakez ik you're town can u vote bluesnek?

are you town though

[SirCakez]

Done reading this game is kinda wack lots of walls blended together for me. Basically I agree with the two Alisae SRs to kill BlueSnek and Koba for now but I wouldn't say I necessarily TR Ali yet. I feel like there are definitely some wolves operating in broad daylight this game (if that makes sense lol) and being manipulative and I'm not sure who looks trustworthy yet.

[SirCakez]

yes you schadd_

[SirCakez]

Ye I wish this Edman dude would get more HRs I want the slaughter to begin

[SirCakez]

I want to see some scum flips before I go calling some of the players in this game who have totally snowed me before town
Like Pooky said earlier - deliver dead scum for a townread

[SirCakez]

both ali and pooky have a super antibus attitude towards playing scum, they will even throw the optimal strategy of actually bussing in nightless to gain cred to spew townies and powerscum.

like maybe think why they have this super weird townread on eachother while they are both still WELL within what their scumrange is and they both know that.

pooky and ali know that pushing the towniest slots ASAP so they cant stay alive forever lategame is necessary for them and are probably looking to send their teammates deep bc i very much doubt they think they will get far with this play.


like their positioning is so scummy from where im sitting and people dont get it bc they are letting themselves confbias into their solutions for ? reasons and that for some reason MS meta thinks nuanced solving is scummy

how are you even seriously arguing RN that BlueSnek is one of the towniest slots in the game

[SirCakez]

Koba would you scumread me if I voted you

[SirCakez]

VOTE: koba
Kinda just think we should get this slot out of the game, Koba's making it unreadable and poisoning the day play and thread completely, I feel this is more likely a scum tactic at this point

[SirCakez]

Why is there such a large burden of proof assigned to the BlueSnakelet wagon that has not been applied to literally any other wagon in the game up until now?

I vaguely understand why dkkoba doesn't want a wagon there. They are going to be contrarian until they no longer feel attacked by Pooky, Alisae, et all.

But I find the soft defense by slots like HPE to be... icky.

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Spoiler: A Case Against BlueSnakelet

BlueSnakelet is posting to post - he's posting to look town - its posts do not fit the trajectory of a townie who "wants to be right" as Alisae puts it so well. I don't believe he's actually trying to solve the game. Just because it has loaded his posts with "nuance" does not in fact mean that his posts reflect a genuine desire to find scum.

This isn't an Ace Attorney game. We can't catch scum by just pointing out contradictions. In fact, scum creating a fake case on someone else would provably be more careful than a townie speaking their honest thoughts.

Koba picking an old game to analyze is at worst NAI.

Koba's reaction to being cornered and outnumbered was to get frustated and argue in circles, which is understandable. Ranger said at some point that Koba looks "argumentative, not frustrated". I disagree with this completely. Koba's side of the argument was heated from really early.

I was going to suspect Ranger, but her flaking out of her suspicion on Koba took me off guard. She was the main driving force of Koba's wagon, and I struggle to find a good reason why she would jump off. If a long time had passed since the start of the argument I could understand, but most of it happened overnight and most people weren't even on.

I doubt Koba and Ranger are scum together. The meta reason was too elaborated to be faked. And they walked out of the debate practically buddies, which is bad theater.

631 immediately pinged me because it's *too* transparent, while not consisting of much content either. At the end of this wall, I cannot tell where BlueSnakelet stands on either Ranger or Kkoba, except for the idea that they aren't buddies. Everything is "understandable," or "NAI." There are no hard opinions in this post. The biggest stance BlueSnakelet takes is that kkoba did not look argumentative.

But really, this post is a whole lot of nothing - and I would expect a townie who just read through the back and forth, who is genuinely thinking about people's alignments, would have some sort of firm opinion on *someone's* alignment. Or, at the very least, they would try to move closer to getting an opinion on someone's alignment if they didn't get anything from that back and forth. Keep in mind, BlueSnakelet hasn't even voted yet at this time. Instead, BlueSnakelet spends their time and effort on this post that says nothing.

What does the post do? It screams "look at me I'm so town!" The phrasing of "I was going to suspect Ranger" feels overly self aware. It wants people to know that it has had a thought process and change of mind about Ranger. I don't think townie's generally phrase posts like this. Townies aren't this self conscious about their thought processes. Wherever they end up on a slot, they are gonna share that. They'd just say, "I'm not suspecting Ranger." But that phrasing, and the post as a whole, feels like BlueSnakelet using a lot of words to show that he is "solving," while not really saying anything substantial at all.

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The rest of the ISO from BlueSnakelet just isn't proactive. He isn't any closer to finding a vote, and his questions to Pooky and Drew go nowhere. I don't see the point of them. So, I try to get BlueSnakelet to take a stance on someone by asking him about his vote and what he thinks about one of the top wagons.

Ok, I paid attention to ofrhz. Mostly the things It's Highness pointed out in #472.

I read Ranger and ofrhz combined ISOs. From #15 to #91 it's all Ranger (including her readlists). From #97 to #112 it's all ofrhz talking about things other than Ranger. The next post from either of them is ofrhz's "serious" vote on Ranger, which he later explains was because of Ranger's readlists.

I agree, this development makes 0 sense. ofrhz voted without a reason, and then invented a reason when questioned.

VOTE: ofrhz

762 is his response. And, idk man, this just feels like a post made to please me. Like, this reads like BlueSnakelet saw I was on this wagon and in response to me prodding him about it, just made up a reason to also think ofrhz is scum.

Does anyone actually think that naked voting is a scum tell? Because that is basically what this post by BlueSnakelet boils down to. I do not believe that BlueSnakelet actually believes in this case. It, again, smells like trying to look solvey without having any substance behind it.

Like, tbh, this post is one of the best town cases someone has made on ofrhz all game.

Epic Dannflor post

[SirCakez]

I also think HPE is scummy btw
I keep getting pinged by posts the tone just feels fake

[SirCakez]

Wow The Bulge died that slot did literally nothing

[SirCakez]

VOTE: koba
Kinda just think we should get this slot out of the game, Koba's making it unreadable and poisoning the day play and thread completely, I feel this is more likely a scum tactic at this point

that isn't logical or has EVER worked for you mate, and you know it.

just admit its for personal reasons of being mad at me for having to read so much, dont try to PRETEND its scummy ROFL

LMAO wtf is this argument I think you're making scummy ass posts this game it is nothing personal and you know that

[SirCakez]

I think your posts look like a scum who got caught early flailed their way out of it kinda and now is forcing this power game despite earlier claims that you wanted to have a chill fun game or whatever.

[SirCakez]

I've played many games with you it's so absurd to claim that it's because of your meta play style or some shit when I have townread it plenty in the past

[SirCakez]

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

The wording of this post pinged me. Like saying it doesn't get the wagon like what does that even mean? Do you think Koba is town or what is this? It's just a nonpost that lets HPE do whatever it wants later.

This one still has a few doubts about Koba but it's just gonna park here instead.
VOTE: ofrhz
Not a fan of your vibes, let alone what this one pointed out in 472.

This vote swap feels super posturey and forced, the bit about having a few doubts feels like a copout to the vote, which is potentially to move VC momentum away from Koba but idk it's too early to make pre flip associations like that.

Why is there such a large burden of proof assigned to the BlueSnakelet wagon that has not been applied to literally any other wagon in the game up until now?

because every other wagon of note besides koba's has had people arguing their points. koba and snakelet for SOME REASON seem to be consensus wagons that everyone is fine just going "yeah scum" on and voting on without a second thought lmao

This post was already called out as bad, the logic doesn't make any sense. Literally HPE is doing exactly what it says no one is doing, defending Koba and Snek. It's a terrible defense. What are the town posts Koba and Snek are making?

Willing to bet good money on atleast 2 scum in ofrhz/Pooky/Alisae/Drew, but for my sanity this one is gonna just go and take it's shower and relax for the rest of the night. Toodle-oo

I can't really explain it but this post pinged me too. I think it might be the tone? I don't know. HPE just feels like all game they've been overtly concerned with thread image and wagon position and shit like that, it's play doesn't feel naturally townie.

[SirCakez]

i think its personal because your reading style is biased in a way that is faulty at reading me and i proved that to your face already

Well I'm telling you it's not lol idk what else you want

[SirCakez]

I've played games with HPE before too
"But muh play style" is not a defense here

[SirCakez]

I think your posts look like a scum who got caught early flailed their way out of it

or im a townie who got scumread for BS reasons, and posted my way out of it because I put in the work.

kinda and now is forcing this power game

not scummy

despite earlier claims that you wanted to have a chill fun game

this doesnt mean anything, i said that. that isnt whats going on now. if you wanna say double down on this being somehow "scummy" despite many games on this site proving this kind of read wrong, you can have this quoted at you postgame

or whatever.

oh also, do you even have reads on the playerlist at large? or do you think its healthy to focus on me

complaining about thread health and hyperfocusing a slot is peak hypocrisy

Also this post is just ridiculous. Again a logical mess - I've been voting and talking about Koba for what? Not even two pages. But apparently that's "hyper focusing"?
And I wouldn't even have half of those posts if Koba wasn't engaging me about it

[SirCakez]

wait ur fucking lying that you found me town after that game consistently lmao

replaced into 2 games you were in twice after that and hmmmm


Subject: large normal 239. game over

They are

It’s why I think that you’re going to spew alignment today.

You’ve claimed something that makes you unlikely to be shot if town so it’s a vapid excuse to you not dying at night when you’re a common kill. I kinda just don’t buy BP with Mala and Titus is in play.

I think if you can build and find a town block you win this

So town you or scum you resets here

So I want to see how you play.

I agree with this and I'm definitely a little sus of Koba after yesterday but I also have misread them frequently so hesitant

yeah

I can't even tell what this post is arguing

[SirCakez]

Rangers new posts seem town Ranger but unfortunately she also townreads all of my stronger scumreads

[SirCakez]

Koba talk to me about Ali scum
I still don't trust em and I kinda feel like e might be trying to pocket me this game

[SirCakez]

Hi StD

[SirCakez]

The Ali replace out kinda makes that slot lim be default here I think. Wasn't my top choice but it's nightless and the slot will give us a lot of info so, so be it

[SirCakez]

MT also doesn't look good yeah

[SirCakez]

Also Koba's 1467 is decently convincing I suppose.

I think Koba has gotten townier in the last few pages but I really thought that entrance/game start was not good. Still gonna keep thinking about them. That's another reason it might be a good idea to just flip the Ali slot because I think that will tell us a TON about Koba and Snek.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: alisae just send this before I change my mind or overthink it

[SirCakez]

Where is the flippppp

[SirCakez]

Dammit

[SirCakez]

VOTE: bluesnek sheeping Ali now

[SirCakez]

I don't really have a take on ofr tbh I just think Snek is scummy and like Koba said we should just follow Ali's SR

[SirCakez]

I think the entire idea of "the purge" is dumb, we should be changing our elim targets based on flip, it would be stupid to just keep eliminating the same list of people after the supposed leader of that scum pile just flipped town

[SirCakez]

to the others voting there - HPE, with alisae being town, did you not have any reads change? for me the flip literally shook the foundation of my worldview, as like building from alisae scum is fundamentally different than alisae town, and I feel that should be the case for others

Like this makes a lot more sense then just continuing the purge

[SirCakez]

it would be stupid to just keep eliminating the same list of people after the supposed leader of that scum pile just flipped town

Alisae wasn't a supposed leader of the scum pile.

Alisae was a compromise.

The purge has a focus on the slots coasting by and doing nothing. It's a bit subjective what qualifies. Mine continues to be ofhrz->xyzzy->RCEnigma->sheepsaysmeep. It eliminates slots doing nothing and eliminates slots outside the towncore.

Okay but this is such a mid way to scumhunt, it's literally just Lim all Lurkers.

[SirCakez]

Oh hammer went through
Let's see

[SirCakez]

I'm literally never ever going to believe someone preflip after FL traumatized me in Pokemon lol

[SirCakez]

True true, I just saw MUSH saying Blue was probably town based on the speed of elim or something and I'm not believing shit until I see Schadd and a dead post

[SirCakez]

Ugh. Okay, fine.
VOTE: BlueSnakelet
Looking into Alisae's ISO gave me no insight but this one thinks that even if Snakelet flips town then we have a massive info gain which is "holy shit we cannot wait for tommy edman to do a little trolling" and his role is suspect to me anyway. Also you're right about his recent posts being lame. It also generally exonerates ofrhz if Snakelet flips scum, so... Yeah. This is largely a compromise vote but this one has been wrong about Snakelet being town in the past so might as well ensure it can't be.

I feel like this post will be indicative of alignment for HPE regardless of the Blue flip vote lol. That vote and this whole post just feel so posturey.

[SirCakez]

Oh shit!

[SirCakez]

Okay I'm leaving this thread until schadd posts bye

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ranger
She looks terrible in light of Snek mafia flip and that Purge push

[SirCakez]

i basically dont have a vote ROFL

We got screwed so hard fuck this

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Morning Tweet
morning yeet

LMAO

[SirCakez]

Oh fuck! This Edman dude is a menace!

[SirCakez]

I feel like if Tweet isn't detonated here she's basically confscum

[SirCakez]

where is schaddddd

[SirCakez]

Wtf why two deaths

[SirCakez]

Weird that Pooky died think it's safe to send MT now

[SirCakez]

Oh shitttt

[SirCakez]

Yeah the IAVH was a solid vig kill for town

[SirCakez]

The mod is the vig this game

[SirCakez]

ofr definitely seemed like the alternative to Snek for a lot of the time it was pushed

[SirCakez]

Wow MTs scum meta is insanely predictable..

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sheep the train rolls on

[SirCakez]

Actually no VOTE: Ranger come on now she is obviously scum

[SirCakez]

Fuck I kinda want to vote xyzzy too this is brutal

[SirCakez]

Tommy Edman waiting room

[SirCakez]

what if someone hit a home run in mlb the show as tommy edman does that count

[SirCakez]

deliver us blood tommy

[SirCakez]

xyzzy has been detonated. they were a

mafia hostage negotiator vulnerator

Ahaha very cool that this happened I wonder how..

[SirCakez]

Shouldn't we just wait for more Tommy it didn't even take that long for a homer lmao

[SirCakez]

I don't feel it's as easy as just the remaining popular elim choices like ofr, RCE and sheep

[SirCakez]

VOTE: iavh

Lol Koba wtf is this

[SirCakez]

ofr has felt like an alternative to scum all game
Not a good sign for that flip imo

[SirCakez]

not feeling ofrhz, looks uniformed

i'll do it though if we can then plow through the scum afterward

Kinda feeling the mind meld here
It does kinda seem like Ofr is so contentious that the slot just has to go at some point and we have enough of a lead to do so

[SirCakez]

Feel like Ranger should go in next three elims

[SirCakez]

I don't even see how to get lims through with this ridiculous voting blocs setup

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ofr whatever let's just get this slot out of the game

[SirCakez]

Bruh we can't miss this game

[SirCakez]

VOTE: RCE

[SirCakez]

I think we should just go for elims instead of Tommy Edman kills w only one mafia left

[SirCakez]

Wow I cant remember the last time I was on the right side of a town stomp lol
GG

[SirCakez]

I liked the Tommy Edman mechanic the randomness of it was hilarious

Also schadd - was my role a factor in xyzzy dying to Tommy? I kinda thought it was but I wasn't totally sure

[SirCakez]

where's the sequel
Tommy demands blood