Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[ofrhz]

heya I'll try to read as much as I can tonight

[ofrhz]

I can't wait until I understand what that means. Only 74 pages to go

[ofrhz]

Well I regret replacing in now

[ofrhz]

1 - So like, this is a posting style

Quoting this to let my predecessor know that I found this post fucking hilarious

[ofrhz]

Hey Jingle with a B! I've been around just not on this low effort main

[ofrhz]

I am exhausted but I managed to get to page 70

{Save the Dragons, DragonEater70} - Dragon townread tier
{Aureal, DkKoba, Ircher, Political Clout, Ranger}
{Skygazer, Theta Alpine}
{camelCasedSnivy} - Null
{Anix, Bingle}
{KatyKimFanClub, Cook}
{Doctor Drew, Random Nurse}

[ofrhz]

Group 4 - nonstandard role with modifier group? - 3/4 names

I think I am in this group by the way

I'm a Town 2-Prime 1-Ignition Firebug

You could say that the 2x priming and 1x ignition aspects of my role are modifiers

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Cook

[ofrhz]

hi ofrhz!

Higazer!

[ofrhz]

@Aureal

do other recruits retain the abilities and can they continue to recruit if you are dead?

Do people who are dead still count as recruits?

I also want to know what is happening in the hood, if you discussed reads with Anix (especially your reads on each other)

[ofrhz]

why is cook mafia other than the circular confbias i have seen going on

i was an original cook scumreader who had actual reasons and those reasons dont really apply anymore so lets hear it

Early on she was asking dumb questions and making reads that didn't seem real

Then inability to explain Drew townread and I don't think she ever towned it up

[ofrhz]

I think Aureal is reacting the way townies do when they think they are being shitpushed. Hard for me to explain beyond that but I don't feel it

What about Doctor Drew and Random Nurse? Can we lim either of those

[ofrhz]

Why is Random Nurse locktown...

He is so outside of his town meta in terms of insufficient contribution that he is basically in 'duh scum' territory for me right now

[ofrhz]

I haven't liked any of Drew's pushes and his posts sounded stilted

[ofrhz]

I am currently on a work trip, but will catch up when I return.

I can see the forum every so often but I shan't be too useful until Thursday 12am or so (UTC+1).

If anyone has anything they have said, or that they thing especially needs looking at, feel free to highlight it, else I'm going to be mostly skimming the last bajillion posts that I've replaced into haha

But yeah hi folks, looking forward to seeing how this pans out over the next three to four years.

Is that a statement or something you want me to look into?

Part 2 of the Drew scumcase is that this guy replaced into a scumslot

This was 5 days ago. WHY replace in if you're not going to do anything

[ofrhz]

We could just lim you instead

Only qualm I have is that the EpicMafia role grouping was the only one that I have confidence in, but another scumread of mine - KatyKimFanClub - was also in that grouping

[ofrhz]

If Drew is scum do you think he's aligned with Nurse and they were just co-bussing? Or what?

They could be crossbussing, because I don't think they pushed each other very hard

[ofrhz]

I'm gonna pull an STD and ask:
which scum case do u see?

For real LOL

[ofrhz]

We could just lim you instead

Only qualm I have is that the EpicMafia role grouping was the only one that I have confidence in, but another scumread of mine - KatyKimFanClub - was also in that grouping

i also don't see the kkfc scumcase

What are your reads on Drew, KKFC, and Random Nurse?

[ofrhz]

holy shit PLEASE kill aureal

as a townsperson you can fucking

not

let people with scummy claims get away with claiming scum oml

Weird post

You didn't once bring up how scummy her claim was when Bingle was pushing her for it

[ofrhz]

"delta towny"

I'm ok ending the day on Cook

[ofrhz]

they have barely played mafia but have made 2 weird claims about meta while they lack meta

Why not just check if they've played together?

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[ofrhz]

Aureal vote Cook

[ofrhz]

Are we all ready to end the day or are there some day actions we're still waiting on?

[ofrhz]

Aureal vote Cook

why is aureal town

I think Aureal is reacting the way townies do when they think they are being shitpushed. Hard for me to explain beyond that but I don't feel it

What about Doctor Drew and Random Nurse? Can we lim either of those

[ofrhz]

you're a logically fallacious take

[ofrhz]

why does KKFC need to neighborize two again? I thought it was better to have each recruit neighborize one so more people can get 10 recruits in their chain

[ofrhz]

oh right you can neighborize without recruit

[ofrhz]

This day should end before Saturday

[ofrhz]

I will not be here from Friday evening to Saturday night, so I don't overly like a self-imposed deadline of Saturday.

Honestly, I don't like a self-imposed deadline at all. I keep saying it and and it keeps being true, but this is not a normal game and we shouldn't treat it as such. It is a game with very complex roles and at this point all those roles (except for mafia) are out in the open for us to attempt a solve with.

We finished mass claim days if not weeks ago now. What is your mechsolve?

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Random Nurse

[ofrhz]

Vote Deltabreedy Slot

Why did you vote the other lurker slot that doesn't have a wagon on it

[ofrhz]

kkfc/camelCasedSnivy/meuh(delta/drew)/[

ircher/orf

/skygazer] ???

Let me help

[ofrhz]

these buckets are pretty much unsorted.

Are these blocks townreads then townleans, etc. or are they based on role groups?

The reads don't make sense if the former, and if the latter, I thought role groups couldn't have more than 4 people each

[ofrhz]

See, I thought that, but you already voted Deltabreedy earlier.

[ofrhz]

Let's give Klick (expired on 2023-08-24 21:00:00) to wow us or lim him

I would like to end this day, preferably before I start collecting social security checks

[ofrhz]

can we pls consolidate on random nurse, they disengaged so hard bc they are scum and the person who cited meta had like really good reasoning for the difference that i vibed with at the time but was struggling to accept in the moment

could u find that post or describe the meta differences

RN disengaged hard as town in a micro i just finished and i think they were just busy and i get the same vibes here

Can you link the game?

[ofrhz]

I looked in Mayfair and New York and I couldn't really find a towngame that was similar to here

I don't doubt that Random Nurse is a busy person prone to disappearing for days at a time, and that gets him incorrectly scumread sometimes

But here, the

only

time he actually followed up on a "I'll give content Soon (TM)" promise was when he was actively being wagoned. That's clasically scummy!

The remainder of the ISO during his

2 week long presence in this game

was prodging or glorified prodging

And speaking of 2193, wtf is the point of it? I don't agree with Koba's post, but wtf does meta have to do with anything Koba said

[ofrhz]

VOTE: cook

[ofrhz]

i’m not incentivized to think it’s natural. mafia almost certainly wants the day to end so that they don’t slip. skygazer why follow up the naked vote with another of your own?

Explain the grouping in your reads list

[ofrhz]

Aureal is high even though you thought she had an obvscum claim earlier because...?

There are multiple players low in your reads list for "dropping back" but I'm in the lowest in spite of being "towny earlier" because....?

and you don't want save the dragons axed because...?

[ofrhz]

"Aureal - i still don't trust this amway stuff but even if you're scum it seems like there are other people who'll just take over for you. so. yippee."

Sorry cutting quotes on phone is dumb but how does any of this make her a town lean fypov

[ofrhz]

Why did you unvote nurse koba?

[ofrhz]

Also do cook's answers really demonstrate a towny thought process to you

They're incoherent

[ofrhz]

I still don't think cook's read progressions are real. The aureal read makes no sense.

We could also just lim meuh

[ofrhz]

This stuff is too confusing. Who has been cop checked and cleared so far?

I recommend cook, klick, meuh

[ofrhz]

Check skygazer is ok

How many can be checked today?

[ofrhz]

What is it then, and how does it work?

[ofrhz]

I feel like there's a lot of scum motivation in trying to end the day before even deciding what to do with Theta. Though she's not moved on to even try recruiting anyone else since Skygazer clearly isn't taking it, so maybe she doesn't intend to?

Oh, also I noticed that the roleblock/recruit also opens a neighborhood if not on an Amway consultant, so if I do end up with that ability it's confirmable that I didn't target Theta to block her Desperate neighborize.

And before you yell at me about not mentioning that before, remember two other people now have the exact same ability list in their possession and haven't felt any need to try to do a detailed paraphrase to make sure all details have been made public either. ._.

Can you do this summary and include which actions have been taken by whom and used on whom?

[ofrhz]

UNVOTE:

[ofrhz]

Thetas desperate modifier applies to Amway abilities but not the recruitment aspect

Wasn't a message one of the Amway abilities? Has that been used yet

How many recruits to a hood? I can't find it in your iso

[ofrhz]

Does anyone else have a modifier that we can use to confirm that modifiers carry over to Amway abilities?

[ofrhz]

Also is it obvious to everyone else that klick is scum yet

[ofrhz]

Ok you need 3 recruits to do a neighborhood. I'm going to assume this is 1shot unless you tell me otherwise

I remember aureal said there was a downside to recruiting scum yes? They can just go off and recruit their own without us knowing. So we need to find 3 townies to recruit with abilities that are equal to or weaker than amway to do a single cop check

Seems kind of not worth to me but I don't remember all the claims anymore

[ofrhz]

Right, so individual roles:

STD is net 0 utility.
Ircher is net 0 utility.
SkyG has an irrelevant ability.

Found the list, I see we're trying to do ircher and skygazer but they haven't accepted (?). And maybe we also need to do save the dragons?

Tbh theta's lack of urgency doesn't inspire confidence in her or this amorphous plan but whatever I can keep prodging this game ig

[ofrhz]

scum that are recruited can then leave to become immune to the amway abilities

I see. But then wouldn't leaving Scamway be a scumclaim?

[ofrhz]

vla until monday

Can you accept the Amway thing from Theta?

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Klick

[ofrhz]

Now this time, actually respond and confirm there is no neighborhood forming instead of just assuming that I’m scum because you’re shit at reading me.

Did this happen?

[ofrhz]

First person to quote this gets

culted

amway'd

Do you want to learn about a secret to financial freedom?

Sure

DON'T TAKE THE AMWAY TODAY, IRCHER

It's the only way to show that you aren't scum theatering with KKFC ._.

Isn't it a bit late to be saying this?

did you take this or not? you're supposed to be Theta's recruit

[ofrhz]

So right now, is the MLM like this? can someone confirm?

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              Aureal
             /       \
           /           \
KatyKimFanClub      Theta Alpine
   |                        /  
   |                      /
Ircher (?)               Bingle (hooded but not recruited?)
                        /
                       /
                  DragonEater70 (hooded but not recruited?)

[ofrhz]

oh yeah im fine w being recruited i suppose

I think you need to quote the recruitment post and respond 2840

[ofrhz]

I realize I forgot Anix was hooded - though i guess that doesn't actually matter. This is going to take me some time to piece together, but since somehow no one else has summarized the MLM thing and I'm growing more annoyed by this game by the minute, I'm just going to suck it up and do it

[ofrhz]

I accepted the recruit in the hood and sent the pm at about 6 EST, which is before the vc before this.

So I’ve accepted the recruit in the neighborhood and gotten nothing from xyzzy despite pming about it, so we gonna just do this:

In abt 2 hours I get home then I will explain my Amway plan that everybody would be happy with.

Would you like to join the amway?

Then a significant amount of time passed and I was told I had to use a specific phrase and tried again.

Yeah but I thought 2525 wasn't a valid sales pitch phrase. I see you did a more MLM-y phrase in 2538 but DE never responded to that one

[ofrhz]

Okay gg ez I just got recruited into Aureal's cult and it's really nice here.

Who recruited you?

[ofrhz]

Aureal's Amway role:

1. Use a sales pitch to create a hood. Up to two neighborhoods a day can be created. (1623, 2303)
Specifically, the process to open a hood is:

• quote someone to target them
  
• write a sales pitch phrase in the post
  
• if they respond, a hood is created. (1881)

**note: the sales pitch does not have to be in the game thread. So scum can give each other Amway amongst themselves** (2519, 2524)

2. In the hood, the recruiter can bring the hooded person into the MLM and the recruitee would get a copy of all Amway abilities, including ability to hood and recruit people (Aureal - 1564)

3. Once recruited into Amway, original night actions can't be used unless you leave Amway, which costs the leaver's vote the next day. Day actions, passive attributes, and roles are otherwise retained. (1623)

4. People in Amway can continue to recruit after Aureal is dead, and dead Amway still count towards number of recruits (2382)

5. xyzzy will answer whether there's enough recruits to perform an action. The # of recruits is determined at the start of night (2535)

Abilities unlocked:

(an ability can be used once a night - Aureal 2872)

Recruit 1 to send a message
3 to neighborhood
6 to roleblock and open a neighborhood and autorecruit (same target)
10 to vig and recruit -

is this the same target

?

* Neighborhood creation/recruitment should fail if targeting another Amway (2838, 2845). This could be used to detect unknown Amway if scum secretly Amway themselves .

List of hoods and recruits:

1. Aureal hooded Anix (per 1564), who hasn't accepted recruitment
2. Aureal hooded KatyKimFanClub, who accepted recruitment (2230, rationale is in 2219)
3. KatyKimFanClub hooded Theta Alpine, who accepted recruitment (2261, 2316)
4. KatyKimFanClub hooded Ircher,

did the hood get created & Ircher accept recruitment?

(2279, 2835)
5. Theta Alpine tried to hood Skygazer,

Skygazer needs to respond to this post

(2360)
6. Theta Alpine hooded Bingle, who accepted recruitment into Amway (but recruitment should fail due to Bingle's role) (2359, 2364)
7. Bingle pitched to DragonEater70 to demonstrate that he can't hood others (2538? or maybe 2536?)

* some of the linked posts should have recruitment phrases

Special interactions:

Bingle - can't recruit anyone else to Amway, can be neighborized, can accept recruitment to Amway but probably doesn't count as a recruit in terms of total recruit numbers (Aureal - 1564)
Theta Alpine - with the desperate modifier, she can use neighborhood ability like a cop check

[ofrhz]

Okay gg ez I just got recruited into Aureal's cult and it's really nice here.

Who recruited you?

I am quite sure this was a joke.

oh

[ofrhz]

Anyway, ignore all of my posts on this page except maybe 2894 because they're wildly wrong lmao. Thanks Aureal and Bingle

Skygazer

please quote and respond to 2360

KKFC/Ircher

- did you get a hood going and is Ircher in Amway, yes/no?

DragonEater

please quote and respond to 2538 to be extra safe (Aureal/Theta/KKFC/whoever else please make sure that is a recruitment phrase)

Also I'm going to keep adding to 2894 (but will spoiler it in the future) so if I've messed anything up or left anything out, @ me and I'll add

[ofrhz]

After skygazer accepts amway, Skygazer needs to recruit 2 more so Theta can have 3 recruits under her? Is that it

[ofrhz]

okay the mod checked in so if no hood is created between KKFC and Ircher, something's up

[ofrhz]

bc KKFC hooded someone else that isn't Ircher? yeah probs

[ofrhz]

(okay some of my free time was spent fucking around with my 3d printer. what of it)

What did you print?

[ofrhz]

Okay so assuming xyzzy creates the hood, Ircher shouldn't accept KKFC's recruitment.

Instead he should be Skygazer's recruit, right? Or Theta can recruit Ircher and Ircher can then recruit skygazer, but Ircher should be a Theta recruit, whether directly or indirectly

[ofrhz]

LMAO I HAD A FEELING THIS WOULD HAPPEN

Feeling what would happen?

[ofrhz]

First person to quote this gets

culted

amway'd

Have you ever thought about owning your own business?

yes i would love to

if this doesn't work, try responding to 2360

[ofrhz]

Okay so assuming xyzzy creates the hood, Ircher shouldn't accept KKFC's recruitment.

Instead he should be Skygazer's recruit, right? Or Theta can recruit Ircher and Ircher can then recruit skygazer, but Ircher should be a Theta recruit, whether directly or indirectly

I'm confused. What difference does it make?

Theta needs 3 recruits to become a cop

[ofrhz]

and i have accepted. whats the plan now?

You need to quote an ircher post and use a recruitment phrase

[ofrhz]

Theta is already done. She recruited skygazer and can't open anymore hoods. Skygazer needs to recruit two now

She's working on ircher and should then do save the dragons

Speaking of, save the dragons is v/la until Monday. Is there another role that is useless and can be recruited

[ofrhz]

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here. -_-

I am not going to use a roleblock even if I somehow have it available, I am going to use a regular neighborhood- on a non-Amway person so they can actually receive it- because I don't want to recruit any more people at this point since that limits Theta's investigation pool.

A message is even stupider- there's obviously no way of telling whether that came from me or from any of the other people with a recruit.

It's like Bingle doesn't even WANT my action to be confirmable.

Hood me! I want to talk to someone

[ofrhz]

I'd also be willing to hear cases for who you'd like to see doused

[ofrhz]

Spoiler: Amway summary

Aureal's Amway role:

1. Use a sales pitch to create a hood. Up to two neighborhoods a day can be created. (1623, 2303)
Specifically, the process to open a hood is:

• quote someone to target them
  
• write a sales pitch phrase in the post
  
• if they respond, a hood is created. (1881)

**note: the sales pitch does not have to be in the game thread. So scum can give each other Amway amongst themselves** (2519, 2524)

2. In the hood, the recruiter can bring the hooded person into the MLM and the recruitee would get a copy of all Amway abilities, including ability to hood and recruit people (Aureal - 1564)

3. Once recruited into Amway, original night actions can't be used unless you leave Amway, which costs the leaver's vote the next day. Day actions, passive attributes, and roles are otherwise retained. (1623)

4. People in Amway can continue to recruit after Aureal is dead, and dead Amway still count towards number of recruits (2382)

5. xyzzy will answer whether there's enough recruits to perform an action. The # of recruits is determined at the start of night (2535)

Abilities unlocked:

(an ability can be used once a night - Aureal 2872)

Recruit 1 to send a message
3 to neighborhood
6 to roleblock and open a neighborhood and autorecruit (same target)
10 to vig and recruit -

is this the same target

?

* Neighborhood creation/recruitment should fail if targeting another Amway (2838, 2845). This could be used to detect unknown Amway if scum secretly Amway themselves .

List of hoods and recruits:

1. Aureal hooded Anix (per 1564), who hasn't accepted recruitment
2. Aureal hooded KatyKimFanClub, who accepted recruitment (2230, rationale is in 2219)
3. KatyKimFanClub hooded Theta Alpine, who accepted recruitment (2261, 2316)
4. KatyKimFanClub hooded Ircher, who hasn't accepted recruitment (2279, 2835, 2925)
5. Theta Alpine tried to hood Skygazer, who accepted recruitment (2360, 2938)
6. Theta Alpine hooded Bingle, who accepted recruitment into Amway (but recruitment should fail due to Bingle's role) (2359, 2364)
7. Bingle pitched to DragonEater70 to demonstrate that he can't hood others (2538? or maybe 2536?)
8. Skygazer will recruit Ircher
9. Ircher will recruit Save the Dragons

* some of the linked posts should have recruitment phrases

Special interactions:

Bingle - can't recruit anyone else to Amway, can be neighborized, can accept recruitment to Amway but probably doesn't count as a recruit in terms of total recruit numbers (Aureal - 1564)
Theta Alpine - with the desperate modifier, she can use neighborhood ability like a cop check

[ofrhz]

in the likely event this doesnt take off i will consolidate at some point

It's not going to take off.

hey did you get into Amway? Can you recruit Save the Dragons?

[ofrhz]

I still think no lim or limming DE90 is the path forward here.

...

[ofrhz]

Please let's just vote Klick.

[ofrhz]

Please let's just vote Klick.

Reasoning?

Previous player in the slot isn't doing anything

current player in the slot isn't doing anything

one person doing nothing could just be them busy IRL (it's not btw. See 2685)

two people is too much to be a coincidence

[ofrhz]

I started townreading kkfc these last few pages

[ofrhz]

VOTE: cook

This is e-2

What is the status on ircher's recruitment? Can you quickly recruit save the dragons? His v/la should end tmrw

[ofrhz]

When your best bet is " hurr I dont like the claim" you're probably wrong in role madness (:

Consider the world where they just told the truth? I too have a random element to my role. Am I scum automatically off merit of my claim?

Either you can stop giving cook 100x the expectations of every other slot or you can throw d1, your choice.

Ircher and aureal are 2 of the most obvious scum in the game right now but your ego wants it to be cook bc wahhh I cant be wrong I have to be right on this thing I pushed so long.

Idk fam when have you seen town , who in normal town games actually does it, flagrantly avoid making any reads?

Ircher is kinda towny for him actually

[ofrhz]

what’s the chance that koba actually is scum flipping as a buddy btw

yo this is scum

[ofrhz]

I still do not think Aureal flips scum. I believe she was genuinely tilted by Koba and Bingle's push based on her posting in another game at the same time. She was accused of being scum or

bad town

and she took genuine offense to the criticism of her town play. If she's scum, why would she be so offended by that?

Spoiler:

I'm simultaneously getting shaded for my reads being too bad and my reads being too good. That's just lovely. :/

I don't really like how you're framing this... it's like framing it as if the points lobbed against you are somehow contradictory but I don't really think they are

Can't help feeling how I feel. They'd be contradictory points if they were from the same person, but it's still not a fun feeling.

I wish I could just shut off my memory that this site exists for the rest of the day and just go enjoy myself because I'm really not feeling too great right now.

Aureal, if you’re town, you did nothing wrong and it’s more of scum manipulating the game.

Thanks, I know that but it really helps to have someone else say so rather than trash on someone's play.

I also think she does have scumreads, but she's shutting down when engaged by certain people. I remember she scumread Alisae for mandela effecting the contents of their role pm. She also tried to get everyone to discuss the formatting of their role PM, and I don't think scum tries to do that since it partly breaks the game

[ofrhz]

I don't think Aureal and Cook feel much like SvS

Even if you think they are, you should probably want Cook limmed first? Aureal isn't even bothering to vote Cook. She's the less survivalistic one of the two

[ofrhz]

i am mistrustful of amway in general i dunno if i want it

It's to give theta alpine a cop check tonight

[ofrhz]

why do you townread ircher

Ircher's scumgame is not good, and I think he's already out of his scumrange

[ofrhz]

I guess people want this lim to go through? No one except Koba engaged with my points for town Aureal, which doesn't give me confidence

I'd say Koba, Snivy, and maybe Save the Dragons are town on that wagon. everyone else I'm not really sure about especially if Aureal flips town

[ofrhz]

anix how does no lim remotely help us in this situation we have several caught scum it's not like we're going to mislim and lose tempo or something

Who are our caught scum, and if they are caught scum, why haven't we faded them yet?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ofrhz]

Are we just waiting for Amway before hammer?

[ofrhz]

I still do not think Aureal flips scum. I believe she was genuinely tilted by Koba and Bingle's push based on her posting in another game at the same time. She was accused of being scum or

bad town

and she took genuine offense to the criticism of her town play. If she's scum, why would she be so offended by that?

Spoiler:

I'm simultaneously getting shaded for my reads being too bad and my reads being too good. That's just lovely. :/

I don't really like how you're framing this... it's like framing it as if the points lobbed against you are somehow contradictory but I don't really think they are

Can't help feeling how I feel. They'd be contradictory points if they were from the same person, but it's still not a fun feeling.

I wish I could just shut off my memory that this site exists for the rest of the day and just go enjoy myself because I'm really not feeling too great right now.

Aureal, if you’re town, you did nothing wrong and it’s more of scum manipulating the game.

Thanks, I know that but it really helps to have someone else say so rather than trash on someone's play.

I also think she does have scumreads, but she's shutting down when engaged by certain people. I remember she scumread Alisae for mandela effecting the contents of their role pm. She also tried to get everyone to discuss the formatting of their role PM, and I don't think scum tries to do that since it partly breaks the game

I’ve addressed most of this previously. Outside of her readslist, every stance has been directly linked to supporting or not supporting amway. She wanted to do format claim early, when scum would presumably be aware they all had different formats so a format claim would be useless. She actively pushed back when Koba went to apply that to role buckets.

And aureal hasn’t been outraged over being called bad town, she’s actively avoided talking about the actual problem with her play, characterizing all of the pushes against her as being because of her role.

Why would scum being aware of formats make format claiming useless? They can't just make up a format because it'd be obvious when no one else had anything like it, and they mostly have to true claim their formats, right?

[ofrhz]

is there anyone i should hit w my second recruit

No, but save the dragons also needs to accept the recruitment in the hood

[ofrhz]

mod notes: prodding KatyKimFanClub. replacing Klick — once a replacement is found, I will offer the replacement up to extend the current phase by up to 72 hours if it's a phase with a deadline. (in other words, if a replacement is found in the next 33 hours, day 1 could be extended, and if not, night 1 could be extended.)

lol we're going to have a week long night to wait for someone to replace into a doomed slot

[ofrhz]

What hood

the mod was supposed to create a hood with you & Ircher because you responded to the Amway sales pitch post

[ofrhz]

chat is this real

She's probably town

[ofrhz]

Same VOTE: Klick

[ofrhz]

Also it is extremely disingenuous that aureal is trying to claim role inheriting will remove all recruits, how are you sure of that? Sounds like fearmongering to survive as hard as possible.

You misread it. Meuh won't have any power but people like theta will keep their recruits

[ofrhz]

What's the VC? I'll vote either cook or yimmy

[ofrhz]

Spoiler: Amway summary

Aureal's Amway role:

1. Use a sales pitch to create a hood. Up to two neighborhoods a day can be created. (1623, 2303)
Specifically, the process to open a hood is:

• quote someone to target them
  
• write a sales pitch phrase in the post
  
• if they respond, a hood is created. (1881)

**note: the sales pitch does not have to be in the game thread. So scum can give each other Amway amongst themselves** (2519, 2524)

2. In the hood, the recruiter can bring the hooded person into the MLM and the recruitee would get a copy of all Amway abilities, including ability to hood and recruit people (Aureal - 1564)

3. Once recruited into Amway, original night actions can't be used unless you leave Amway, which costs the leaver's vote the next day. Day actions, passive attributes, and roles are otherwise retained. (1623)

4. People in Amway can continue to recruit after Aureal is dead, and dead Amway still count towards number of recruits (2382)

5. xyzzy will answer whether there's enough recruits to perform an action. The # of recruits is determined at the start of night (2535)

Abilities unlocked:

(an ability can be used once a night - Aureal 2872)

Recruit 1 to send a message
3 to neighborhood
6 to roleblock and open a neighborhood and autorecruit (same target)
10 to vig and recruit -

is this the same target

?

* Neighborhood creation/recruitment should fail if targeting another Amway (2838, 2845). This could be used to detect unknown Amway if scum secretly Amway themselves .

List of hoods and recruits:

1. Aureal hooded Anix (per 1564), who hasn't accepted recruitment
2. Aureal hooded KatyKimFanClub, who accepted recruitment (2230, rationale is in 2219)
3. KatyKimFanClub hooded Theta Alpine, who accepted recruitment (2261, 2316)
4. KatyKimFanClub hooded Ircher, who hasn't accepted recruitment (2279, 2835, 2925)
5. Theta Alpine tried to hood Skygazer, who accepted recruitment (2360, 2938)
6. Theta Alpine hooded Bingle, who accepted recruitment into Amway (but recruitment should fail due to Bingle's role) (2359, 2364)
7. Bingle pitched to DragonEater70 to demonstrate that he can't hood others (2538? or maybe 2536?)
8. Skygazer will recruit Ircher
9. Ircher will recruit Save the Dragons

* some of the linked posts should have recruitment phrases

Special interactions:

Bingle - can't recruit anyone else to Amway, can be neighborized, can accept recruitment to Amway but probably doesn't count as a recruit in terms of total recruit numbers (Aureal - 1564)
Theta Alpine - with the desperate modifier, she can use neighborhood ability like a cop check

This is aureals role

[ofrhz]

Several people moved off to vote yimmy

Anyway let's yeet yimmy. We should have two copchecks if yimmy is scum. One person checks bingle bc he claimed bp, and the other should check aureal bc y'know kind of a hot topic

[ofrhz]

It affects Amway night actions, not the recruitment actions

[ofrhz]

I really think Yimmy is scum. That said I'm going to do an unofficial vc and then vote whichever of Cook/Yimmy is top wagon

[ofrhz]

UNOFFICIAL VC

5 players voting for Aureal (Bingle, Cook, Political Clout, Yimmy, Meuh, DkKoba)
4 players voting for Cook (Ranger, Ircher, Theta Alpine, Aureal)
4 players voting for Yimmy (ofrhz, Save the Dragons, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub)
1 player voting for KatyKimFanClub (Skygazer)
1 player voting for DragonEater70 (AniX)

1 player not voting (DragonEater70)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to eliminate.

@DE you're not voting?

[ofrhz]

Please don't vote Yimmy. I see zero scumminess from them. What makes you scumread them?

See 2685

I also just finished a game with Random Nurse where I was scum with him, and they are a "do nothing" scum player when they're not getting pressured. His towngames showed more initiative in terms of game solving. He doesn't need to be pressured to show some game solving intent as town.

[ofrhz]

Anyway I will VOTE: Cook to make that wagon slightly larger

[ofrhz]

I don't think I am tunneled. I do think Meuh's posts might be S/S with Yimmy, but

that

might be tunneled. Who knows

[ofrhz]

Please don't vote Yimmy. I see zero scumminess from them. What makes you scumread them?

Please vote Cook

[ofrhz]

I also think Yimmy's posting is a really awkward pivot onto an Aureal vote.

Leans town on Cook for 3089, which is a reach. Well, of course it is a reach; Yimmy claims to have only read 20 pages, and you'd have to reach pretty hard to end up townreading Cook's posting in the last 20 pages. Hope he didn't pull a muscle doing that maneuver.

[ofrhz]

I think you and Meuh are actually tunneled.

And I say that because I predicted you might scumread the slot before I opened page 142 even though I TR'd Yimmy for 3521 on page 141.

What did you like about 3521?

[ofrhz]

They can be. I think they're independently scummy, and I don't see anything to rule out SvS

anyway i do not feel like compiling my reads at all cause i've already been reading for like 3 hours. you will just have to guess. i feel like i should have an opinion on cook, but i don't right now. i will think about it more tomorrow

I guess Yimmy actually ended up null on Cook? Still seems strange to call out 3089 as a post to like

[ofrhz]

or we could flash wagon my vanity vote

Kinda think KKFC is just town

[ofrhz]

Did you use your role last night cook?

Meuh should be able to confirm her backup role today. Theta should claim any results

[ofrhz]

Oh I was thinking you were still Aureal's role. I didn't realize you'd inherit Koba's hmmm

[ofrhz]

I think bingle could be traitor from the traitor role description

[ofrhz]

Also STD isn't CLEARED but he didn't target anyone last night.

Why did you track Save the Dragons?

[ofrhz]

I think bingle could be traitor from the traitor role description

Hmm yeah that's true, the general traits there do overlap
Did Bingle claim before or after Koba did? I feel like that has an impact here

bingle claimed in 1061
Koba claimed in 1220

[ofrhz]

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

He told us he lied about his role in the neighborhood, I'm not inclined to disclose how.

You have a neighborhood?

[ofrhz]

I doused Yimmy by the way

[ofrhz]

and actually nvm traitor can't be bingle right?

quite a few of us are clear from being the traitor at least but it is annoying

who & how?

[ofrhz]

ah i see

anyway Cook what did you do last night?

[ofrhz]

I think your recruits were ircher, save the dragons, and skygazer

So yes?

[ofrhz]

Unless there's an inno on cook, cook should be the lim today

Group scum is more important than traitor

[ofrhz]

so who did you end up checking

[ofrhz]

Might as well recruit him. He's going to vig dragon eater who is obvious town

[ofrhz]

Well then do the bingle confirm thing

Also std didn't you have a night action? Did you use it; and if so, how did anix get a no movement result on his track?

[ofrhz]

I'm not super interested in pursuing this "contradiction" in how your roles interact with Amway

I'm not convinced there even is a contradiction

We should just see what happens now that bingle reacted to recruitment.

VOTE: cook

[ofrhz]

Ultimately your choice though. Unless this day quickends in the next 37 hours (the day needs to last 72 hours for my vigshot to activate), I have satisfied every other necessary component to vigshot you. Either you start being honest with the town about your role or I'll just have the mod be honest about what your role was.

we have death millers already, what makes you think de70's role will be real too?

Claim your night action?

[ofrhz]

Didn't binge claim unchangeable? Shouldn't he be unaffected by the hated

Whoops it me

[ofrhz]

Are we really not going to talk about how Anix is going to vig DragonEater who is omega towny

[ofrhz]

At least wait until Dragoneater comes off v/la before ending the day then

And wait until Political Cloud gets replaced, since he claimed some sort of investigative

[ofrhz]

if the day ends by bingle being elimed at e-1 and thus scum
then dragoneater is scum as well and should get vigged

weren't you in that Weird Dreams Mafia II game? Do you think DE sounds anything like that game here?

[ofrhz]

VOTE: bingle

E-1 if hated but technically E-2

[ofrhz]

VOTE: cook

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Yimmy

placeholder for now

also ranger who did you target

I doused yimmy

[ofrhz]

I yeeted yimmy

[ofrhz]

BINGLE IS TRAITOR THEY NATURALLY DIDN'T KNEW

Bingle's role claim sounded awfully familiar to the death miller flip

I think multiple ppl theorized that bingle was traitor

[ofrhz]

Who wants to talk tonight

I dunno about talk but I'll play connect four w you

[ofrhz]

It seems like no one has anything else to discuss?

VOTE: cook

[ofrhz]

Never eliminate enchant or snivy imo

If cook is town, I think ranger is scum

[ofrhz]

glad to see you're doing better xyzzy

[ofrhz]

No result.

who did you target?

[ofrhz]

scum haven't been multitasking so can we give everyone a night action and try to confirm people that way?

I guess I could also reread Day 1, which might be a minefield of associatives but feeling super lazy

[ofrhz]

scum haven't been multitasking so can we give everyone a night action and try to confirm people that way?

well I guess this would only work if Amway abilities cannot be used the same night as the factional kill

[ofrhz]

Ranger can you claim night actions?

[ofrhz]

Sorry I've been rly busy

I also don't have a night action. Should I get Amway'd?

[ofrhz]

ill try

Sorry I've been rly busy

I also don't have a night action. Should I get Amway'd?

Do you want to secure a better future for you and your family?

Ofc

[ofrhz]

mod told me that since i posted before it was confirmed that im in amway it doesnt count

ill try

Sorry I've been rly busy

I also don't have a night action. Should I get Amway'd?

Do you want to secure a better future for you and your family?

Ofc

I have a solution that could change your life.

Wow me

[ofrhz]

wait why didnt we just create neighborhoods with everyone using this ability it wouldve made everything easy

Wdym

[ofrhz]

This is kind of uncomfortable bc I don't think anyone remaining particularly feels like scum

If you have a confirmable Amway night action, I think you should use it to pseudoconfirm yourself because flipped scum haven't been multitasking

Except KKFC who I think should still roleblock to maximize Meuh's chance of surviving the night

[ofrhz]

I'm now in a hood w snivy

[ofrhz]

There is only one Mafia left though, isn't there? There are two likely worlds in existence right now:

- I am lying about delaying Meuh. If I am lying at this late stage on something so substantial and you truly believe that, I HAVE to be the evil one and you should lim me. But if that's the case, Meuh isn't the evil one because there is only one left and it's me.
Conclusion: Meuh is good.

- I am not lying about delaying Meuh. A kill went off last night, I checked with xyzzy who confirmed it effects factional kills. Meuh's action was delayed last night but the Mafia action went off.
Conclusion: Meuh is good.

I have a solution that could change your life.

[ofrhz]

I wanted to amway anix but I guess I can't complain. I don't really see this day ending differently

[ofrhz]

GG

Thanks for modding xyzzy! Your games are always unique

I'm super curious which mod was behind the roles

[ofrhz]

Skygazer submitted the mafia stoner role confirmed