DEFCON 6.0 - GAME OVER!

[Ircher]

Nuke: Skygazer

[Ircher]

fr tho whats the best things to research today i havent read it at all!!!

more nukes!

[Ircher]

Are you fuckers shitting me? I get my first game with Marci in probably over a year and you pull this?

The nukes could still be retracted. Make your case.

[Ircher]

Also I will say I think the last thing we should invest in is speed

Nah, speed and more nukes should be our top priority. Oblivion for all!

[Ircher]

because I'm not sure if I can double upgrade the same stat
probably not, but it's not explicit that I see

If that's the reason, couldn't you have just asked the mod?

Chell looks like she's trying too hard, scummy imo
Would be voting there if I could

Disagree. Her points are on point.

I feel it probably doesn't translate since the other games had roles to claim

tmi??

I think it's unlikely. Past Defcon games had a draft whereas this one doesn't, and I think that's what Cephrir is referring to here. It is kind of ambiguous whether there are PRs in this game.

Are you fuckers shitting me? I get my first game with Marci in probably over a year and you pull this?

The nukes could still be retracted. Make your case.

My case at that point was just “I want to play with Marci, back off”

Do you think marcistar is town? If so, you still have a chance to save them from the nukes.

Last gun game i played it consisted of town banding together and all agreeing on a scummy slot we all mass shoot our nukes at, and if anyone deviated from that or made errant scummy shots we murdered them.

In that aspect wouldn't it be best if we focus on letting people we townread make the best upgrades and then let the scummy slots make less potent upgrades, and if they deviate from it we mass nuke them as well.

Of course this strategy depends on us being good at finding slots we are fairly certain to be town from early on.

No. That kills all the fun.

[Ircher]

I am japan and I am trying to get nuked.
The fact i wasn't nuked first is trying to rewrite history which is very not cool

I'll nuke you next week!

[Ircher]

hey norwee why don't u nuke me?

If you are mafia i’ll just shade you until someone nukes you for me.

thats no fun

That’s how mafia works™

Now I wish I saved my nuke...

[Ircher]

Nuke: Gamma

ABORT THE MISSION

No!! Why did you abort?!?!?!

[Ircher]

it seems like you already realized you didnt want to send a nuke because of work in 294

+1 Andante's reasoning here for aborting is off.

[Ircher]

Nuke: Gamma

ABORT THE MISSION

No!! Why did you abort?!?!?!

really wishing I didn't right about now... but to be fair it literally doesn't say anywhere you lose your nuke with aborting it..

Interesting. I wouldn't make that assumption, but we'll wait and see I guess.

[Ircher]

also, I genuinely do not see anything on losing my nuke after aborting it... yall messing with me? or am I useless?

I think the natural assumption is that once you sent it, you can't send another. You can abort it, but there's still the cost of producing the new one and re-setting it up.

[Ircher]

that's two nukes on skygazer i think

would prefer if they were both aborted

Make your case, and I'll consider.

[Ircher]

I feel like scum would really try to shitpost as hard as they possibly can in this game to delay discussion as much as possible so Firebringer shitposting on page 12 when asked a genuine question is weird. First, FB said that he didn't believe that I had a genuine read on Marci. Then when pushed further he said "actually, I'm not scumhunting, let's just joke around and forget anything happened"

This sounds like typical Firebringer to me.

[Ircher]

it seems like you already realized you didnt want to send a nuke because of work in 294

+1 Andante's reasoning here for aborting is off.

what about it is off? I AM LITERALLY NOT GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS. I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL I CAN BE AROUND MORE. idk how many times I have said it

Yes, but you had already acknowledged that before sending the nuke. Also, I don't personally see why you need to be around when the nuke lands. Why are you so uncertain and worried that you can't trust your instinct?

[Ircher]

Nuke: Gamma

ABORT THE MISSION

No!! Why did you abort?!?!?!

Why is that a problem for you?

It's nothing personal or specific to you. I just think the nukes should stay the course for maximum entertainment value.

[Ircher]

also, I genuinely do not see anything on losing my nuke after aborting it... yall messing with me? or am I useless?

I think the natural assumption is that once you sent it, you can't send another. You can abort it, but there's still the cost of producing the new one and re-setting it up.

how is that the natural assumption? I assunmed it was just like voting logic, and the fact a bunch of nukes were already sent, like, why are people hipfiring nukes if we only get 1?

Because it's fun to irresponsibly nuke people.

[Ircher]

am i the only one annoyed at the fast aborts?
Like u guys know u can put a timer on urself and just abort later to get more genuine reactions from the people about to be nuked.

u nuking then 5 minutes later aborting will not gain u good reads
i might start considering some of these aborts to be performative if i keep seeing it

+1. The immediate abort shows a real lack of conviction.

So, is Drew scum?
Discuss

Currently pretty null there. Not enough to make an informed decision.

ya upon review i'm gonna not abort

Good choice.

Especially since I immediately got random nuked by a 24 hour nuke? Like lol why bother at that point

I didn't have a read on you before, but your vibes seem off here. You seem too... defensive. On the flip side, I don't think you and Skygazer are SvS... I think TvS has a good chance though.

Read through page 30.

[Ircher]

How are we up to 60+ pages? I'm reading backwards. I ISO'd Pooky first and saw that marcistar and T3 flipped scum. I'm not surprised with marcistar; she felt off vibe-wise.

Drew nuking T3 is bad but I actually can't think of a decent scum motivation for it. Unless T3's reads are hot fire and scum need him dead. Otherwise it feels like a bad scum play.

I guess that explains why I felt conflicted here. There wasn't a decent scum motivation because Drew isn't scum. Though I say that because I don't want to think that scum three-way bussed each other 24 hours into the game.

I agree that a three-way bus from scum is unlikely. Drew can be town.

I am probably going to nuke Ircher

You should just go for it then.

Abort nuke

ummm you aborted here

Turns out I did it wrong

Turns out I did it wrong

ur telling me ANDANTE managed to format the abort correctly and u failed.
Well ngl this is first time i think ur a bit sus and adding scum points to andante for actually doing the format right

I'm confused. Is Bell saying that the abort in 1537 is formatted incorrectly and thus not accepted, or is Bell saying that he didn't realize his post in 1537 was an abort? I assumed the latter on the initial reading, but Fire's response here makes it sound like Bell is saying the former. If it is the former, then that does seem a little off.

Oh, I didn’t actually abort and I have what, 24 more hours to decide.

I guess this answers my question. I don't see how that post wouldn't be counted however.

why has no one nuked Ircher yet

Why do you expect me to be nuked already?

The penguineers are beginning prep work to launch the arsenal at cakez now that the munitions have thawed.

marcistar's nuke was aimed at SirCakez. Do you think that was a bus? It'd be kind of weird if scum just decided to bus each other and risk killing their entire team on Day 1.

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

I'm not really confident at this point, but I agree that they didn't look particularly aligned; Gamma's posts were more expressing annoyance and less white-knighting/pocketing.

I just finished my 12 hour shift today and i'm staring at the screen with a vacant look on my face and can barely even type out this sentence.
But it's 20:40 it would be ridiculous to go to sleep now.

8:40 PM is a great time to go to sleep. Honestly, I wish I forced myself not to stay up as late as I typically do.

Also, I know it’s early but I’d like to ask if I’m obvious town yet.

To me it’s obvious, but putting the pieces together on Marci interactions etc can be difficult for somebody that isn’t me and doesn’t see the game the same way.

Soft challenging the Marci defenders is not my speed. It’s either full throated defense or complete silence.

You definitely seem active and invested this game, but it's only week one so far. It's also been some time since I played with you, so I don't know if you have changed things around. I wouldn't bin you in the obvious town category yet.

would it be bad if I nuked Bell

I'd give Bell an above average probability of flipping town here right now.

[Ircher]

You should just go for it then.

why u want to encourage me to nuke u

Words ≠ Actions.

[Ircher]

somehow, ircher has found the most optimally useless way to catch up with a game

Then how would you suggest catching up 30+ pages in the span of an hour? If I tried resuming reading from where I last was (page 30), I'd be accused of being perpetually stuck in the past.

[Ircher]

somehow, ircher has found the most optimally useless way to catch up with a game

Then how would you suggest catching up 30+ pages in the span of an hour? If I tried resuming reading from where I last was (page 30), I'd be accused of being perpetually stuck in the past.

massive quote walls catching up backwards are worse than massive quote walls catching up forwards

both are terrible

Okay, so in other words, you just don't like quote walls.

[Ircher]

Fire, I don't get why you suddenly don't want to nuke me now yourself when earlier, it seemed you were heavily in favor of nuking me yourself.

[Ircher]

i feel the highest chance of successful hitting a scum is andres tbh. So I want that kill, ur still scum in my eyes but Norwee can mess that shot up instead of me in case im wrong.

You made your earlier post less than 100 posts ago. What changed?

[Ircher]

I just realized that we can research 2 things a week lol

i just realized that scum pt must be sparsely populated because t3 didn't even know about that he could do upgrades until here and i believe this post is when he actually found out.

this lends credit to the idea Ircher/Andres are scum too

No, it doesn't. This is called tunnel vision.

[Ircher]

ircher who do u think is the scums right now

Idk, maybe you, Unowen, and SirCakez? NorwegianBoyEE for third party.

[Ircher]

There's three mafia left.

[Ircher]

So I gave three names.

[Ircher]

No because I also haven't read like 30% of the game.

[Ircher]

Which means I am putting very little confidence in my accuracy here.

[Ircher]

Which means I am putting very little confidence in my accuracy here.

Are you accurate when you’re confident that you’re accurate?

Not necessarily.

[Ircher]

Okay well come back to me when u have read it

Reading the 30% I haven't read is likely going to be a "never happening", just so you know.

[Ircher]

I'm bored

If we can get 6-7 communal townreads we win the game
I think there are at least that many obvtown at this point

Hero shots are actively antitown at this point

This will make the game even more boring.

[Ircher]

I'd rather not be nuked, but I also don't really care enough.

[Ircher]

I'd rather not be nuked, but I also don't really care enough.

What would make the game more exciting for you?

I joined this game for one and only one purpose, and that was to irresponsibly lob nukes at other players.

[Ircher]

Nuke: Doctor Drew

[Ircher]

I’m going to wait to see what happens to Drew before nuking Ircher.

Drew is dying.

[Ircher]

Make it more challenging by nuking obvtown

This is a great idea!

[Ircher]

ircher flip waiting room

You'll be disappointed. I nearly nuked you instead of Drew actually.

[Ircher]

There aren't enough nukes flying.

[Ircher]

By killing the obvious deep wolf.

[Ircher]

Nuke: Doctor Drew

Hi Ircher! If you're somehow town and are just deliberately ignoring the association evidence and the general consensus that Drew is town - now is the time to abort your nuke. Or even just to engage in conversation about why people think Drew is strongly town. It probably won't save you, but it might save the towniest slot in the game if you decide this was a bad idea.

Your nuke was most likely just a scumclaim, but I figure this disclaimer is better than not giving one and just letting Drew die.

I'm not aborting a nuke once I start it, no matter how townie the slot becomes post-nuke.

[Ircher]

You'd be wasting your nuke.

[Ircher]

Why don't you send a nice nuke Firebringer's way instead?

[Ircher]

A much better chance to eliminate actual scum.

[Ircher]

A much better chance to eliminate actual scum.

Why didn't you nuke Firebringer then?

Ngl, the thought is crossing my mind.

Would they encourage me to nuke their buddy though?

I sadly only have one nuke.

[Ircher]

Chell. Then Firebringer.

[Ircher]

A much better chance to eliminate actual scum.

Why didn't you nuke Firebringer then?

Ngl, the thought is crossing my mind.

Would they encourage me to nuke their buddy though?

I sadly only have one nuke.

I don't think you are sad about your 'choice' to nuke me over others mentioned(you talked about Nuking Chell as well).

So, let me ask you directly, who should I nuke?

[Ircher]

Because you were at the top of my list.

[Ircher]

101

[Ircher]

I mean, Gamma has a point.

[Ircher]

If you think the odds are that low, it does seem a huge waste to nuke them. It'd be like eliminating an innocent child.

[Ircher]

Maybe Gamma's the third party and that's how she eliminated Andante.

[Ircher]

I promise you, if I were mafia, I would not be nuking my teammate and making myself the last one standing.

[Ircher]

Like that's nust silly. Doctor Drew had already built up town cred from nuking T3 who nuked marcistar.

If we were going for the bus all the way strategy, I would've nuked Drew D1.

[Ircher]

Why? I might not care much about winning myself, but I'm sure my teammates (if I were mafia) do. They would be more aggressive in getting me to back down there.

[Ircher]

Drew and Ircher chatting in the Scum PT about how they've lost anyway so they might as well try the nuts gambit is absolutely a conversation that would happen
It would be Drew's style specifically

This makes zero sense since Drew was town read by most people for nuking T3. Drew didn't have anything to fear for at least a week.

[Ircher]

Anyway, you can nuke me all you want, but it is't going to bring you closer to winning. You're wasting your nukes doing it now rather than later.

[Ircher]

You can choose to make up facts to fit your opinion, or you can choose to make up opinions that fit the facts. Most of you are currently doing the former.

[Ircher]

I knew my shot was landing. I've been upping lethality.

[Ircher]

Your posting motivation is trying to reduce the number of nukes landing on you

Right now, yes, but that would be true regardless of my alignment.

[Ircher]

Thanks for modding Pooky!