Datisi's University [game over!]

[Dusa]

you're locktown does that help any

[Dusa]

Right let me explain why Ranger's thought process literally cannot be genuine

Ranger's E-3 at the moment so I'll make it E-2

VOTE: Ranger

I vote Ranger

Ranger's E-3 at the moment so I'll make it E-2

VOTE: Ranger

Weird ass vote

Take this post as representative of players scumming me, it felt like there were more around this time.

I think I'd prefer a Ranger elimination, I realised my townread was based on an incorrect memory/perception of meta.

I'm skeptical of this reasoning behind a pivot.

Setting up to omgus.

I'm back to CCS stronger scumread.

{KatyKimFanClub, GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE, Alisae, Dannflor, Doctor Drew}
{osuka}
{Andresvmb}
{Titus}
{Dusa}
{furtiveglance, Enchant}
{RCEnigma, WhemeStar}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

Dropped me in list to match. For reference, I'd been in sort of town/null for most of the game.

Meh, i believe for some reason.

I think I believe it as well, I probably wouldn't use if I had that role. What I am questioning is why CCS has chosen to accumulate the points at all?

this post feels scummy to me, furtive is throwing shade on CCS over something NAI despite ostensibly wanting to see Ranger eliminated today instead

Then GL, pretty much UTR at this point, pushes me...

I'm not even pushing them as my preferred vote.

that's exactly what made your post more scummy, not less

...with some fervor.

{GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE}
{camelCasedSnivy}
{Dannflor}
{Alisae, Doctor Drew}
{Andresvmb, osuka}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{Titus}
{Dusa}
{Enchant}
{RCEnigma, WhemeStar}
{Aristeia}
{furtiveglance}

First revision, may need more work, want to give more reading. I think GL and Norwee still look good regardless. Similarly good vibes for Dannflor. Alisae and Drew are nullish for the topic, yet generically town.

Andres and below, I need to review again.

Yes, furtive nosedived, I think furtive has accidentally revealed a scum alignment by the way this has played out.

Now I'm right at the bottom, because Ranger sees a possible mislim in me (and knows that if the CCS vote falls through, which looked like happening at times, she needs a new scapegoat). The reason given ('I think furtive has accidentally revealed a scum alignment by the way this has played out.') has still not been provided to this day - I'm assuming it'll just be parroting GL's idea anyway if it comes.

The problem with doing "narcissism scumcases" is that when though they come from town a lot they are about as easy to emulate as a wikiHow pancake recipe so it doesn't help people sort your slot town and your slot is already minimal contribution so

Idk it's hard
Like if Ranger flips red I have close to nothing from you besides "cast a vote in Ranger's direction" because you didn't do anything difficult to emulate

[Dusa]

My finalized read on Dusa is pending their reads on all players in this game.

Fuck off the planet

[Dusa]

Andres I'm an ascetic, or close enough

your role would fail if it wasn't a killing role

I understand I'm probably dying today and Andres is probably telling the truth so I'll just full claim

I'm basically an ascetic PT cop. I've studied 100% both nights because I thought I was probably dying N1 or N2 based on the amount of town reads on me plus I didn't really think I was powerful enough for Group 3 and it takes 150 points for one shot anyway

so at least I don't have any points banked to burn. in retrospect I wish I had taken the chance to get a clear or something but that's where hubris gets me

dusa what's the best call and why is it ares

for whatever it's worth i did try to crumb my role here on the off chance I changed my mind to use it. my flavor is IT call center part-timer

Isn't ascetic usually a mafia modifier?

Yeah but it's pretty healthy to add to a game with loyal roles, maybe? Idk


Was gonna put it in a separate post but, the crumb was pretty good. Hades has shielding mechanics that are distinct from the "you're invisible mechanics" if I'm not misremembering so it's not the same as a BP-or-ascetic claim where he picks the convenient one later

Also ares is probably not the best ult? It feels nice early on not to worry about taking samage but after it wears off you usually have to deal with a difficult elysium floor that the power did not wipe while some of the other powers wipe the floor

Depends how much Hades Dannflor played

Dannflor are you a noob who rolled mafia strongman and just naively genuinely feels Ares is the best


I just agreed it was best bc the post was easiest to make under my roleplay restrictions tbh

[Dusa]

Mafia is funny

[Dusa]

Uh, you absolutely should answer those questions lol

If you're town then there's likely a scum in there regardless of what Dann is, and there's not really any town utility to a neighborhood they primarily exist for scum to pocket townies. Only benefit is if there's a scum failing to keep up. I don't see what's gained by hiding this info

Final fantasy mafia had a neighborhood with a shared vig so we kept that secret. I guess that kinda thing would clash with this setup though

[Dusa]

Dann might be scum ascetic it's probably a throw to let the slot survive eLo

I'm a greedy player that would want to resequence eliminations so that mafia has to eoleblock him for a night or two if he's town, then get a claim from him before blowing him up which is the kind of stuff that can backfire in a large theme

[Dusa]

If KKFC is a neighborized neighbor he could ask the neighborizer to verify Dann is ascetic?

[Dusa]

If he's town mafia can't roleblock him, right?

I think we just kill Dann here

Well then it would be even better because he'd investigate a player and report on it?

[Dusa]

It might be the case that the crumb is so good it's just correct not to lim the investigative

Investigatives need macho

Idk

I pushed the wrong person d2 I don't get to tell people what to do

[Dusa]

Oh he claimed he has no tpr because he thought he would get shot.. in a large

Ok just flip it

[Dusa]

Didn't get that on first read

[Dusa]

I think Dannflor would study 50 d1 then re eval whether to 100 d2 bc pt cop is very powerful actually but obviously I have failed with that kind of thinking before!

[Dusa]

Did dann push Ranger idr

[Dusa]

How do we know gl is scum

[Dusa]

I kinda felt like dann and gl are not both scum but I guess I never had a reason

[Dusa]

It's be terrible if both the slots correctly reading me were mafia it would be like Alisae v Pine except doubled lmao

[Dusa]

I think Dann participated in ranger flashwagon but I don't think he was wonderfully verbal about it?

[Dusa]

I remember I posted "Dann is the only slot out of Dann/GL who can be scum playing well now" but I don't remember what snippet to tr gl for was in the post

How can I remember me posting reads but not the reasons

That's supposed to happen when I'm scum

[Dusa]

You have to know that looks like lolcatting fmpov Dann

[Dusa]

Shit Dannflor just spoiled Hades for me

[Dusa]

I gave up at heat 6

[Dusa]

This is so unforgivable

[Dusa]

No she doesn't you visit her out on her farm

P sure

[Dusa]

Idr maybe u rite

[Dusa]

I wish sail was here

[Dusa]

Dannflor do you load up on all the low damage homing attacks

[Dusa]

I will be sad if dann is town

I hate mech

[Dusa]

Dannflor is a son of Artemis!

[Dusa]

Is jjh still in this game

[Dusa]

I will be sad if dann is town

I hate mech

For this to be the case, Andres would have to be a scum investigative who found out Dann was ascetic by checking him...oh wait.

See you are probably smart and correct and are being rewarded by the setup for a type of thinking that I don't want to do in exchange for rewards I want to like find people to be slimy and lim them and get rewarded for that so I hate mech

[Dusa]

Andres could be like a copchecker going 1 for 1. Seems weird

[Dusa]

Furtiveglance is a centaur

[Dusa]

1 is too much tpr to spend on a neighborizer

[Dusa]

I claim gorgon

[Dusa]

Dann can do a last will but then we need to dismiss his slot

[Dusa]

Titus town

[Dusa]

I think there's been enough people calling for her head for several days now and Titus was right yesterday Ranger is slippery

It's almost as if I'm town and the reasons players are pushing me are bad, based on their biases, and some players lacking those biases have a more accurate read.

what an obnoxious post

[Dusa]

I should stop playing setups with guilties guilties are boring

[Dusa]

If there was a rolename that just didn't study, why isn't it named Datisi

[Dusa]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Dusa]

Tbh I think your wim has been too high all game for you to be 3p so I think your odds of being maf is higher than the base 80% even though the story sounds good

1pedit

[Dusa]

I don't fully understand 3838 but I want to?

[Dusa]

I still don't find Ranger townie by play and grumble but lets flip something outside RCE Ranger for now

Idk if GL believing dann's claim is w or twtbw. It's risky for GL and Dann to align play throughout the game as much as they did?

Idk if any flips that change my desire to blow up osuka have really happened. Or we could kill furtive. Furtive bad. I can't remember why. I'm a little out of this large but I'll remember soon

[Dusa]

That said, with Ranger's claimed check on Enchant it adds up to (at least) 3 Cop-like abilities claimed now, with Andres' loyal vig, RC claiming some kind of gunsmith and whatever Ranger's claiming.

Why do you think I was so skeptical about RCEnigma?

I didn’t believe he and I could both be town.

I since reconsidered.

And to be clear, I am a cop. My cop costs 150 to use.

I've the best breadcrumb ever of all time for this; you need only look at my very first post.

Btw with the faceup game pieces, mafia's play for the night seemed to be "kill Andres, ignore RCE (low on TPR), roleblock Ranger".
What is your personal explanation for why that didn't happen.

[Dusa]

I lean town on Drew just townish vibes. I didn't find the day 1 stuff to be bad. He doesn't seem uncomfortable idk

[Dusa]

If rce is scum someone else on the team better at mech than him (or me) is helping out

Which would just keep gl as a solid lim lol

[Dusa]

I think there's enough sketchy slots for Occam's razor to just cut into slots outside the claims

Even me potentially leaning the wrong way on Drew etc
How many people are still alive isn't it like 13

[Dusa]

We can't lim furtive he makes beautiful memes

[Dusa]

Fmpov there's a 5/19 chance Datisi randed you the opportunity to lie and be a scum version of mastina's role for the memes and a 1/19 chance to be randed mastina's role and mostly play it the same way she did, for the memes. If you'd gotten vt I'd be less worried about your alignment

[Dusa]

So its p odd to read your posts where like you constantly expect to be mechcleared at this point or something

[Dusa]

So its p odd to read your posts where like you constantly expect to be mechcleared at this point or something

I'm cleared by RCEnigma, whether you like it or not. I did breadcrumb my role. I don't expect to be cleared for it, however I am cleared. My claim doesn't clear me. RCEnigma does. Besides the clear on me, there's an amazing tool for determining my alignment. That you seem to be using that tool wrongly isn't an issue on my end. You have the proof you weren't right in your methodology. You've made the decision to doubt it; I've done nothing but continue to say exactly what I always have.

Well RCE can also be scum which isn't particularly likely but yes dayplay would be a better angle on your alignment than the weird pride with claiming your role in your first post lol

[Dusa]

Ranger writing every single post with sarcasm probably meaningfully impairs the town win condition

don't want to try to persuade you if that doesn't seem true to you just from sitting with it a bit and can't force you to play a certain way

i was sarcastic a lot many years ago, i wasn't as able to win as often

[Dusa]

Drew mostly ignoring mech is probably "antitown but town indicative"?

[Dusa]

Is the main thing about GL that he believed Dann's claim

[Dusa]

i mean it's not a very complicated breadcrumb or claim based on the first post you have to be either very hard investigative or "lol I claimed the opposite of my actual role"

why are we even discussing your first post

[Dusa]

Is the main thing about GL that he believed Dann's claim

it was almost like they were playing off of each other

i expect them to do that regardless of alignment though they're really similar players

[Dusa]

VOTE: furtive

[Dusa]

i think it's weird nobody is pushing me this game after subjectively i felt as though I broke my townrange a jillion times last game i played on main

and this game i kinda don't know what's going on

i guess "doesn't know what's going on" is kinda, say the line, but usually i feel like i accomplish something and then people infer i'm town after

[Dusa]

like dann and guiltylion are the only people who said i shouldnt die dont i look like scum

[Dusa]

also i killed snivy

[Dusa]

yet ranger talks to me like she knows im town

[Dusa]

i'm gonna try not to make 20 consecutive posts this game that don't include a repetition that ali should be locktowned

[Dusa]

Nah that's real good shit but dann's a monster he could write that real good shit

[Dusa]

Norwee scum theory is pretty good? I think
?

[Dusa]

Doesn't everyone kinda wanna believe every claim. But then you gotta go turn the hologramachine off idk

[Dusa]

Dannflor townreading me kinda says nothing about my alignment cause I'm Isis. I think in Magical Girls uPick he said something like you're always obviously town or something. In Ali V Pine he hard townread me multiple times when I was a consensus scumread, and he was scum. When I rolled scum with him in apocalypse uPick, he went a townread onto me because it was the most natural. When I rolled scum against him in nightmare mafia, I snowed him. I think I also snowed him in purgatory mafia? I did well in general in purgatory but being forced to flip townread partners in that setup incriminated me I think he voted me this weird trend has an upper limit.
As you know in the nsg neighborhood game he correctly townread my slot earlier than most people.

I think it didn't take much progress out of low information stage for him to be at a point where it was hard to pretend he doesn't like always townread my playstyle and it's playing hard mode on emulating the town version of oneself to not pocket me.

1pedit

[Dusa]

U can def scumread me bc you don't like my progression on your slot lion idk what my progression on your slot is either

[Dusa]

Furtive is getting limmed you can do a baller jailing as your legacy

[Dusa]

Wait enchant was originally fire assassin?

what a soggy cop check

[Dusa]

I guess Titus could be scum it seemed like that's the weakest associative

Furtive is gonna flip red I feel it

[Dusa]

Titus do you really think you're dialed in enough to this game to be the one shot calling massclaim timing

And there's already a consensus dismissal so do we need the info

[Dusa]

1700 is lol

[Dusa]

You don't have to claim to just support a different elimination than Sail. If every game was guaranteed to include 4-5 VTs and 1 Neapolitan it would just be standard not to eliminate claimed VTs

You should have been actively interested in any other elimination so you could make the check and claim it.

[Dusa]

"I considered not using my role, but it can actually prove useful" is such a weird tone from someone who is a full Neapolitan and has been all game furtive have you played more than like 2 normals

[Dusa]

Like it's less useful in role madness but it's not a rocket science thing

[Dusa]

It's neap the 3rdish best pr

[Dusa]

Cop gunsmith pt cop neap

[Dusa]

All four of those are in this game supposedly I know the setups mechanics suggest a lot of power gl but like exactly how much magic M&M's is Datisi supposed to be on

I guess few enough that furtive is still scum fypov

[Dusa]

Oh wait there was no pt cop just a vague neighbor claim somewhere in the game

[Dusa]

I'm paying attention

[Dusa]

He's not a Neapolitan lol he literally has every problem his supposedly complaining about resolved when a VT got run up and the mood was half willing to go with someone else and he said "eliminate Sail"

[Dusa]

The post actually acknowledges the nonzero feasibility of other eliminations that don't nerf "his role"

[Dusa]

It's like the perfect scum post

It's significantly worse than the snivy thing. It's a tier of meaning different. I mean I still have a reservations of "weird stuff happens in theme games idk" but I'm not gonna waffleunvote this one

[Dusa]

"when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" is a saying because it's how humans usually naturally behave. When it's actually correct to behave that way also and it doesn't happen then I know it is my cat Loki sleeping on a hammer.

Loki is good at scum

[Dusa]

That phrasing is weird what I'm trying to say is that I think both cognitive biases favored a certain thing and rational behavior also favored that thing and like oftentimes you're scumhunting and discerning alignment is hard became of cognitive biases like confirmation bias

But this is like the opposite

[Dusa]

UNVOTE:

[Dusa]

For osuka to post

[Dusa]

Do you think GL is scum cause he scumreads your townreads?

As a bolster onto the saving dann thing

[Dusa]

Idk y lion wouldn't bus and play solo wrt dan

[Dusa]

Andres and rce are both prs so the justification of targeting RCE seems ok?

It's actually possible that last night the mafia shot both andres and rce as a hedge and that no matter who died today any claimed protectives would be getting a "hrmrmrm so suspicious you're telling me this setup has a protective when there was 1 kill last night and those should be getting reduced from the baseline of 1!!!"

Andres might have been the gamer protect shot to make if you are a high challenger Thresh player but I don't think I could both make that assessment and expect it as a minimum show of competency out of GL's slot.

I also might have jailed RC I'm only a high challenger Thresh player irl

[Dusa]

V/LA 24 hours.

yet ranger talks to me like she knows im town

I talk to everyone like they're town because most are. Even scumreads.

i start with a very strong presumption that people arent able to play that way. for people who say "i can set aside my intuitions and play that way" i only downgrade it to a strong presumption.

you're an unusual player and i dont think ive played with you before so you might somehow have that style ill keep an open mind

[Dusa]

Never said scum had a plan rly

[Dusa]

This day length is making me lethargic

The amount of counterwagoning furtive is getting without any amount of "look at why furtive is town" doesn't make me want to move

I don't like dislike the counters just the overall shape of the discourse at least one scumdriven cw

Idk maybe that's conspiratorial maybe I need repose

[Dusa]

KKFC vote GL

Reading iso again

ISO will not help you the guy knows how to look town

Let him make his own opinions

This is also a stupid thing to say, I guess finding a town!GL is just this completely impossible thing that can never happen in any game of mafia because scum!me is so good that I always know how to look town

Eh, without comment on whether it's confidence or arrogance, I think Ali thinks she's good enough at mafia to fail to find town!GL correctly here and thinks KKFC is not, so like..

[Dusa]

I'm pretty scared about the day play of this game if we flip green GuiltyLion and scum nks two talkies. I'm pretty scared about the day play of this game if we flip red GuiltyLion and scum nk two townies lmao

[Dusa]

The pedit was funni there

[Dusa]

v/la Saturday evening through 10pm PST Sunday

[Dusa]

I haven't read everything yet

[Dusa]

I kinda have similar feelings about the wagon compositions. I agree that red GuiltyLion probably isn't getting bussed right now but there's no less means to win later off that info if wrong today idk

[Dusa]

With a replacement in and some people on V/LA I personally don't see a point to ending the day soon.
Also, to be honest, I read over GL's iso and there's still not much that I see as independently scummy. I will say that a lot of his interactions with Dann do still seem kind of damning.

Why is this slot villagery again

[Dusa]

Ok, if we're eliminating GL, I need one player to claim VT before the hammer. As long as they've studied 100% all days I can confirm them.

Do you check VTs or anyone who hasn't accrued tpr?

[Dusa]

Dusa do you still think Titus is town?

I'm a little worried. I think moonlogic would be thinking ranger is 3p and not caring about the slot, it bothers me she thinks ranger is 3p and the tone of her posts make it seems like she cares deeply about the slot

[Dusa]

Ok, if we're eliminating GL, I need one player to claim VT before the hammer. As long as they've studied 100% all days I can confirm them.

Check WhemeStar

Has he claimed

[Dusa]

VOTE: Titus until someone helps me take a side t_t

[Dusa]

Ok, if we're eliminating GL, I need one player to claim VT before the hammer. As long as they've studied 100% all days I can confirm them.

Do you check VTs or anyone who hasn't accrued tpr?

The latter.

Why did you think your role is useless then didn't listen to people who said that many weak roles are gonna be bad to use at all compared to FUELING MAFIA NKs?

[Dusa]

*didn't you

[Dusa]

Or
why didn't you*
If I think about phrasing

[Dusa]

It's 3-8? Usually you massclaim in complex setups in elo-1 right? 3-5 would be eLo (no lim o.k.) so I guess it'd be mc right

[Dusa]

That just pushed it more towards me now so I didn't mention it

[Dusa]

*MC not me

[Dusa]

Did someone innocent rce or is that the front of the chain of invests

I guess it was rce ranger enchant

With a fake link

Rce is probably not scum though he like randomly shaded Dannflor for little need that one time

[Dusa]

Massclaim order should be picked by a conftown

[Dusa]

I don't understand why that's advantageous yeah

[Dusa]

KKFC could pick an order maybe

Idk if masoning up with a buddy is in his scumrange

[Dusa]

Ranger already claimed. But you don't make gunsmith innos claim early anyway so like what

[Dusa]

KKFC claim order is good enough for government work let's rollout autobots

[Dusa]

WhemeStar fullclaim including study behavior and whether you got mailperson messages and such

[Dusa]

Did Cephrir replace one of the townies or one of the scums? It seems like every rep has been obvtown so far lol with the stipulation enchant's role was to larp town

[Dusa]

Oh it was drew. Idk what drew was

[Dusa]

Claim Titus

[Dusa]

this is why themes are boring and unfun we always lim that slot now

zzz

Datisi run nightless vanilla

[Dusa]

His information is the scum have a PR costing 10SPR to learn the 3p wincon. He believed they already had done it, looking for slots trying to get nightkilled.

[*]you know that

[REDACTED]

[*]you know that

[REDACTED]

Feel like no one understood this post

Anyway it's my turn huh

Is it that enchant should have had two informeds and ranger reported 1?

[Dusa]

His information is the scum have a PR costing 10SPR to learn the 3p wincon. He believed they already had done it, looking for slots trying to get nightkilled.

[*]you know that

[REDACTED]

[*]you know that

[REDACTED]

Feel like no one understood this post

Anyway it's my turn huh

I’m st00pid

Here I will help you: enchant should have known 2 pieces of information and ranger claimed one

Whoa answer key

[Dusa]

Im a peer tutor. For a cost of 30 tpr I can target somebody and they gain 50 tpr or 50 spr. This can function kinda of like FN if other players are willing to believe this role doesn't make much sense as a mafia PR, but I would have to claim that I was the one causing the increases in TPR. As for actually getting our side as a whole a 20 tpr discount either I do it silently and probably hit people who budgeted in a way where they can't use it, if they even have a good PR, or I fullclaim early in the game and ask other people to full claim early and study 50 points less and please let me target them and that doesn't seem to end well.

[Dusa]

Oh yeah the part where I need surviving conftown to not kill my friends was in the t chart too obviously lol

Although there was a window where we had multiple PR claims that were too troublesome to kill all at one time and I could have figured one out to shoot maybe but the gorgon urge to conftown yourself with dayplay

[Dusa]

How many vt claims were there was it too many or mama bear just right

[Dusa]

This is like that micro setup with masonfinder where the mod was surprised_pikachu that masonfinder is just mason

[Dusa]

"seeking masons"

[Dusa]

Can we vote titus

[Dusa]

He was trying to tell you I'm a wolf. I simultaneously gave him 50 tpr and shot him using my faction nightkill or fractional expulsion or whatever

[Dusa]

Did dann ever side w me about osuka

everyone decided that slot is town at some point fsr

[Dusa]

gonna retract the tutor part of my n1 multitasking actions claim and only stand by the factional nightkill part in desperate hopes you will not eat my onion if the onion is ripe enough

[Dusa]

I know Datisi likes fanfic but does Datisi know that shipping two real people is cringe

[Dusa]

VOTE: Titus

[Dusa]

Why is the gunsmith still alive


Should I be concerned the gunsmith is still alive

[Dusa]

Read my iso and tell me I'm towny

[Dusa]

Should I be paranoid that rce and ranger are scum together and they feel the scum inno on scum strat is more viable because the setup lets them bank kills and make the mmwatchasay video when everyone figures it out

Cause I'm paranoid like that rn

[Dusa]

Like, ranger/RCE/the one between furtive and Titus we are wrong about/dann

No extra kills attempted around GuiltyLion

Mislim the wrong one between Titus and furtive today
3 shot in the night
3:3 setup gg

[Dusa]

There's a problematic amount of vt getting shot and power not getting shot ahhh

[Dusa]

Additional paranoia: this game is almost lifeless. I have no wim towards this game yet am almost a top contemporary poster. Scum are usually winning games like that.

[Dusa]

That's math I'm lazy

[Dusa]

Rce are you town

Who do you think is scum

[Dusa]

Watch me tutor you then you'll have leftover points to watch yourself watch the watch watch

[Dusa]

Want to consider Cephrir next because he quite literally made the same mistake Titus did.

He was saying his ability causes scum to gain 2.5 spr. He can't mean it the other way because he can't gain .5 pr

[Dusa]

Please everyone study and don't gain tpr tonight there's so much confirms

[Dusa]

If we stick with believing ranger RCE even after a furtive greenflip we would have 4 confirms and 4 unconfirmed next day if there are no multikills. That is a 1 townread =win game

[Dusa]

@Dannflor I concur with the lack of Ranger fire yesterday. I know it's vain but I would have expected her to put effort into sorting me.

Titus probably didn't agree with a partner about a partner

[Dusa]

Ranger why am I so damm high in your reasslists

[Dusa]

If we get a third redflip you become twice as powerful as a watcher right?

[Dusa]

You have to commit to studying before the redflip though

[Dusa]

Wait I'm thinking about it wrong someone outside the pair can shoot into the pair and you don't see? That ability sux

[Dusa]

If the gamestate becomes Cephrir, greenie, triple unconfirmed, and town gets a correct consensus that Cephrir is green, the ability checkmates the game right? Eliminate Alice, ship Bob and green, either watch Bob be evil or learn Charles is evil by poe.

But it kinda depends on a delayed consensus that Cephrir is town -after- arriving in the f3, if the consensus is too strong before that point the play just becomes to shoot Cephrir

[Dusa]

Thwre might actually be a complicated way to get some value out of the PRs

Listen here I'm spitballing

[Dusa]

So like
No lim
I charge rce
Cephrir looks at rce and a random unconfirmed
Rce charges

Scum have to kill rce, confirming him (depends how much we already consider him confirmed if). Unless scum risked ceph's watch, rce reports that I have a role that doesn't make sense for scum (depends how much we already consider me confirmed). Rce threatens to smith next night

Probably one additional death from that much tpr

Is that good

I guess probably not? Idk

[Dusa]

Kinda am creeped out you rolled gunsmith and cleared consensus scum and then your vibes in general is "roles bad"

[Dusa]

If I rolled scum in this setup I would spam "roles bad"

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Because I would be 80% right and it's easy

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If I rolled gunsmith I would be biased

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Ig it's kinda awk for rce to be true claiming bc giving scum a gunsmith against Enchant is kind of bastard?

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Maybe I need to stop doubting those slots

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Wait what about

ADDITIONAL FURTIVE NEAPS

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Furtive has the bulletproof vest of being scummy as wkqlej

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How do you flip a roleblocker and not get any creative juices rce

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Like

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I don't even have mammal blood and thats the natural way I feel invigorated

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Rce I'm trying to calm down and you're saying "town" instead of we

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VOTE: RCEnigma

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mafia rolecop****

Mafia rolecop functions differently in kinda interesting ways. You can test furtive's claim by demanding he check people and report whether they studied 1 or 0 at random

From a design standpoint knowing that someone has a charged Lazer could be better knowledge than knowing what kind of laser it is for a scum pr

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Unfortunately furtive's role makes sense for either alignment

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Not necessarily. As an overall leashing strategy it could be implemented by telling you to check inside of {wheme, KKFC, NorwegianBoyEE, Ranger} at random with all of those users submitting 0 or 1 at random. Since the max expenditure is 4 it's still pretty negligible. Adding targets protects town!furtive against the mafia NKing the target of the test and disincentives scum!rolecop!furtive from NKing the target of the test instead of picking someone and guessing.

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Are any of them mafia furtive

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Proving furtive's role is actually pretty bad cause sometimes we lim him anyway but scum get points

The only thing doable is to use him to hard investigate someone so that mafia have to either NK him tonight or we get an additional result tomorrow.

Idk the math on whether that process can finish before eLo. Probably can if we hit red today tho so I actually dunno if it can be suboptimal if we can't lose today? Hrm

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If we limmed osuka furtive checks Cephrir I think

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But also that costs a lot more tpr/spr than just limming furtiveglance

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B

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I think Ali might be scum but I will throw the game anyway

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Assuming ranger is vt is weird

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Ranger claimed VT that's basically adverse information lol

[Dusa]

Furtiveglance is mafia

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<-
I'm green!

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It's 2:8 so if scum have 1 extra kill we can mislim outside of furtive and then mislim furtive and go to 2:3

idk it might be optimal

We never lose immediately and there's no punishment if furtive is scum. Scum! furtiveglance can't gain spr and can't win even with an additional kill if we intend to kill him after today's

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It's probably mechanically optimal to do Cephrir 0, furtive target Cephrir, lim furtive next day

I'm lazy and will probably just lim furtive

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Ali when suggesting a neap check you

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vla 36 hours or so

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VOTE: furtive

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VOTE: osuka

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WhemeStar is like, not confirmed, right

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Recency bias but does going "why did we forget furtive is openwolf" secure a game for scumsuka? I think he would like at least analyze the wagon in a way that looks cool or something

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Osuka do you like my posts more after I dropped character

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Cephrir's pred was drew right

I don't feel ready to bet the game on Cephrir town

We are supposed to all find one person to get the game on being town and auto win

I guess I kinda wanna do ina marija for that

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Which flip do you feel is the most similar in tpr efficiency

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VOTE: WhemeStar

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Is this really what it's gonna be

Titus - large theme scumslip
WhemeStar - power level inappropriate large theme claim
Furtiveglance - clever large theme PR claim, but did not live action roleplay it from the start of the game and acted the opposite of his putative role late day 1
Dannflor - investigated for kinda having some scummy dayplay here and there this is the most fair one by far and would function similarly in a normal but like fails to provide the satisfaction of a fully homegrown lim to balance out the other nonsense

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I guess furtive's thing works the same in a large normal w neap too. What I'm trying to say is I take no joy in this and nightless vanilla is the best setup

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Datisi why

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The mafia probably has stored up spr and wants to wait for us to miscalculate before a triple kill surprise win. I'm nervous about using tpr. Definitely should've started yesterday if at all, why did we decide to start now??

I think the game is probably secretly on odds because maf has a banked kill so prs cost a lim

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Yea I just didn't notice

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Norwee, I probably agree that telling other users to fuck off should probably jeopardize a mafiascum staff position in the general case. I don't know if you are feigning unawareness of my priorities or are unaware of my priorities, but in case you are unaware, I will always choose to jeopardize my staff position to yell at transphobes because I'm a transfem woman more than anything. I have a volunteer job on this site. I quit a real job, that paid really well, to move across the country to Seattle and work in an environment where my gender identity is more consistently respected. I think I mentioned moving in my PM about not joining more games with you, but maybe I just mentioned that my life is going better. I definitely mentioned that your repeated theythemming of me is almost the only misgendering I experience in my life, including my roommate who uses they them for almost every human but me at my request.

Im not particular polite or kid gloved towards other staff members if I think they're being shitty about gender diversity which probably doesnt improve my projected tenure either. That's how my priorities are. I don't want to care, I have to.

Anyway, congrats on winning a large theme

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I would have loaded spr on the deepwolf