RealTime Mafia (Game Over due to too many modkills.)

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Vote: Vi

because Vim is better. Also, I got the first words

Vote: xyzzy

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only I am allowed to have those three letters together in my nick...

Wasting words.

FOS: Surye, Uriel.

2, 55/12000

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Vote: Vi

because Vim is better. Also, I got the first words

Vote: xyzzy

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only I am allowed to have those three letters together in my nick...

Wasting words.

FOS: Surye, Uriel.

How would you start this game?

"Explain" with less waste.

4, 68/12000

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Proposal: can only use your share (250) of words

A waste to tabulate.

Arguments are needed, just make concise

.

That.

You wasted 2 words, reitterating what was said.
.....
Making a point. Does it make me scum?
.....
I helped town, got discussion. Otherwise no posts. thanks.

25 words, 1 hypocritical defense, unhelpful.

Vote: Surye

7, 167/12000

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Unvote: Surye

- remove early-suspicion vote, now more things to base suspicions on, early minor wordwasting isn't critically incriminating.

Also,

Vote: Surye

. No reason.

Explain 'no reason' bandwagon vote.

FOS: xyzzy

Nonsevere word wasting = null tell. Calling for kills because of it = easy scum move.

This. And for that reason:

I think that ortolan or Surye is scum. They use too many words.

Patently useless. Is

both

a) verboseness is less important now, 'overeager maybe, but nulltell' is right; b) unwarranted, unhelpful.

HOS: Animorpherv

45, 865/12000

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On reread:

FL speculating not scumhunting.

Suggestion scummy regardless of existence.

No, not scummy. When has vig suggest EVER been scummy? Doc/cop, yes, vig, no.

Wasting words on it = scummy.

RR's feeding FL's speculations.

Roflcopter has used 13 words, voted multiple times, few explainations or discussion or cases from him.

People who hide behind wordcount, vote without a word. Scum loves that.
...
Lack of case/accountability for vote = bad

Truth. Roflcopter's done this obscenely, even after decided we'd use enough words for clear discussion and less misunderstanding. Jumped on Surye wagon without case. Needs cite more for Animorpherv vote. Needs give substance, scumhunt. Suspicion.

Vote: Roflcopter

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Calling for verbose people's lynch = bad
"" vig - worse

Wasn't trying to speculate.

Wrong. Depends of verbosity type.

Stop feeding it, RR, stop responding, FL. Call it scummy or not, but

leave it

. Continuing speculation now is useless catfighting.

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People use word restriction as an excuse to say nothing. Bad for town; easy hiding for scum.

So, you'd rather waste words?

vote: Raging Rabbit

You'd rather give scum a free excuse to vote a townie without analysis or explaination?

FOS: Animorpherv

15, 1462/12000

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People use word restriction as an excuse to say nothing. Bad for town; easy hiding for scum.

So, you'd rather waste words?

vote: Raging Rabbit

Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah (I'm NOT trying to break the rules here), hold on.

My point is, scum would, and I don't see why they don't, just waste words on the first post, they could use 120000 words in one postm and end the day, every day, then kill us all.

Explain. You vote RR for saying that not posting due to word restrictions is anti-town + scummy - pointing out a possible scumtell/town stumbling block, then come back and say you meant that scum could waste our quota early? Huh? RR did not suggest wasting words, just intelligent use thereof, and suggested nothing to do with scum spam. Explain contradiction and your vote well or you've earned my vote.

Unvote

, but I'd still like Roflcopter answer my case.

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People use word restriction as an excuse to say nothing. Bad for town; easy hiding for scum.

So, you'd rather waste words?

vote: Raging Rabbit

Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah (I'm NOT trying to break the rules here), hold on.

My point is, scum would, and I don't see why they don't, just waste words on the first post, they could use 120000 words in one postm and end the day, every day, then kill us all.

I don't see why I need to.

I

feel like we should be saving our words, not wasting them. Is that a crime?

Saying wasting words = scum is

way

too blanket statement. Saving words isn't the goal; catching scum is. We have to use our words wisely, not waste

or

save them to catch scum effectively, hence I find this attitude scummy, as I do your vote on RR. You haven't explained what I asked in my last post. Would vote you; want votecount first.

Mod: Votecount? Wordcount? Other stuff?

63, 1909/12000

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FOS: lurkers

, too many people avoid speaking up.

Agreed, very easy way for scum to slip under the radar.

According to my quick survey, skitzer strikes me as lurky. Also seems to make show of "conserving words" while using as excuse for large numbers of FoS

FoS: veerus, ortolan, Surye

sesquipedalians

FoS Narsis

too

Mhm. See also Xtoxm.

Animorpherv, your defeatism isn't helping your case at all.

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FoS: Everyone Who Hasn't Voted

We're on page 8 already. There's no reason not to have an opinion/vote on someone.

Fair enough.

Vote: Animorpherv

. See above posts for details. Retrospect, claiming to have lost his role PM is scummier than I gave it credit for at first. L-1, I think, but we have a few thousand more words for discussion before we hit Afternoon, if we want to use them.

RG, contribute?

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My point is, scum would, and I don't see why they don't, just waste words on

the

first post, they could use 120000 words in one post and end

the

day, every day, then kill us all.

While we don't need to worry that much now, no articles (grammar).

Gotcha - clearing up, that quote was originally Animorpherv's. Check.

10, 2557/12000

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[4] Fuck with the rules, and I will fuck back. This includes looking for loopholes.

12000 word posts will result in modkill, obviously mod's capable of applying judgement.

Ani's lynch should at least wait 'till we discuss stuff more. Can anyone link to another game of his?

Agreed.

Unvote

, prevent premature hammer, though still

HOS Animorpherv

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6, 2669/12000

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i have my suspicions, but i'd rather not say right away...

Why not?

Share please.

On reread:

Skitzer: Lurking, lack of scumhunting, craplogic OMGUS vote on Ortolan.

FOS

Percy:

= typical scumpartner response and trying to lay off accusations staying under the radar, now he hops the wagon to satisfy the crowd.

Veerus = scum or scumpartner.

I'm liking a animorph lynch more now from his ridiculous play last few posts.

Why sold on Veerus bu not Animorpherv - Veerus scummiest by association here.

FOS: Percy

Still find Roflcopter quite scummy.

33, 2929/12000

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lynching townie, although not good in it's own right, is better then no lynch.

No.

actually, yes. first, if the player is lurking and/or refusing to defend himself then it would be better to lynch him now. lurker at LYLO = bad. secondly, we learn 100% that he is townie. this allows us to more accurately read people based on how they reacted to the wagon against him, and after, how they react to his lynch.

on the flip-side, a no lynch, particularily on day 1, gives the town little to no information and the scum a free kill. yes, pro-town power roles can do stuff, but compared to good old fashioned scumhunting, they are worth little.

Yeah. No-lynch is like giving the other team the ball after winning the coin toss in overtime. In almost all situations, a very bad idea. Townie lynch = risk worth taking for scumhunting, info, and the chance to lynch scum.

Other note, Narsis, I wasn't trying to lead to a no-lynch, am almost sure my unvote wouldn't have done so. Just prefered more discussion before the lynch then - want to take advantage of the discussion we can have; and some useful things

have

been noted. That said, don't want to run into Afternoon if alternative is Ani lynch, as I find him scummy enough to think him a good lynch today. Lost PM? Maybe, maybe not. Scummy, contradictory position on word-conservation, scummy vote on RR citing a pro-town post? Check.

unvote

Okay, thats silly enough I can believe it

Elaborate???

Mod: Can you ask Sens to do a real wordcount?

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Or, you know, any one of you could have PM'd me instead of going to Nat...

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I think we're good on words, we've only used a third of them.

I think the idea is to end the day before we hit 6k to give the benefits of the idle afternoon to whatever roles gain them.

Absolutely. We have ~1500 words till then. We're okay for now. About theoretical Ani lynch:

Also, are you a miller with abilities?

Yes. What kind of mod would give a miller abilities anywayz?

What abilities?

Also - new meta info on Ani: He played quite scummy, recently got lynched as important town powerrole Day 1 in a game I'm in. Refused to make a case on anyone else/really defend himself. He's capable of awful play as townie. I want that taken into consideration before lynching him. Also, lurkers check in. Xyzzy, RG, Xtoxm, maybe Kiro.

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Although I could see the jester suggestion as an attempted defense, it doesn't seem like a good idea if they're both scum since we're going to lynch animorph soon.

Also, he does seem like he is trying to get himself lynched, so it's a reasonable thought to have, although not something to worry about, imo.

NO ARTICLES!

Jester is unlikely and bringing one up is still scummy. I believe it more likely that ani is clumisly playing scum with miller claim.

Mod: Could we have a word count please?

Being article police is unhelpful. Word wastage isn't severe if articles are used, though I don't much. Jester suggestion seems more like unhelpful musing about unlikely situation than anything else.

I think Wordcount is at ~5000. Ani is scummiest (especially after whole claiming business), though vaguely apprehensive because of meta I brought up. Nonetheless think he's probably the best lynch candidate thus far, and almost certainly best before afternoon hits. Ani lynch plus idle Afternoon > alternative, my opinion. What needs discussing before lynch?

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well, I'm sorry if I can't cnhage your mind.

Go for it. Change my mind, or hammer shall fall.

unvote: forbiddanlight

Will hammer if unsatisfied with your appeal.

That I'll do as well. I've held off vote for discussion long enough; talk's degenerated into asking why Ani's not been lynched yet. Unless Ani gives fair defense, suggests a better wagon

in his next post

I'll hammer if no one hasn't.

Ani, if you're town I'd prefer not to lynch you, but defeatism and lack of effort in defending yourself have only strengthened the case that you're scum.

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ort voted both Surye, Animo

could plainly see veerus trying to lay justification to vote me today knowing what ani would flip:

Agreed. If scum, ortolan is a likely scum buddy.

Even though when I suggested jester I was already voting for animorpherv

In light of these, Ort doesn't look likely Ani's buddy.

lol, wordwaster #1 WAS scum~

Ortotan fits that too -- lots of word wasting at the start.

Total crap logic.

Yeah. The word-wasting wasn't a strong scumtell; one scum doing it =/= everyone who did it was scum.

Notes on Jebus:

- votes ortolan, says only ‘verbose’ – that’s on a bandwagon, plus ort’s verbosity/hypocrisy/general bad-lookingness < those of Surye at that point
- uselessly hints to use thesaurus, poor suggestion, poor play
- Votes Surye, saying only ‘verboseness=bad’, bandwagon vote (though turns out Surye's scum)
- Votes FL and FOS Meji for voting on Ani bandwagon, overstates point of making good points using few words. Duh. Attempted derailment of wagon?
- Lurks through Ani case, though offers hammer

Vote: Jebus
FOS: Veerus, Skitzer

404/3750

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Can we get word count?

I think jester thought was unthought musing, not a scum tell

That. Ortolan push is lacking substance. Also

I think that ortolan or Surye is scum. They use too many words.

Bussing both scumbuddies possible, but unlikely. I plan to reread, see if Ortolan's possible Scum A, though.

Also disagree with RR suspicions. Not clearest thing I've read; not overtly scummy. As compared to Veerus, Jebus, Skitzeer, all of whom I'd rather persue.

1334/10500

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Enough soft-claiming. Alvinz is probably the mason.

Did you have to point out? I mean, we can hope for stupid scum.

Shout out to the other scumgroup, Pesco?

1435/10500

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You would.. scum.

As Ort said, useless. As I said, also don't like his case on Ort; it's shaky, poor logic. Attack on Alvinz bad, claim suggestion nulltell.

Asking whether we should have a mason claim is definitely not a suggestion, because i ASKED FOR THE TOWN'S OPINION.

Clearly Veerus is just trying to find something scummy about me and ends up picking up crap scraps.

This.

could plainly see veerus trying to lay justification to vote me today knowing what ani would flip:

Agreed. If scum, ortolan is a likely scum buddy.

Even though when I suggested jester I was already voting for animorpherv

Vote: veerus

Noted. Earlier preffered Jebus lynch, but Veerus' behavior going downhill and wasn't good to begin with. Scummy.

Unvote; Vote: Veerus

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I'm vanilla.. don't waste a lynch on me.

At a glance you're at L-7 or so, I think; very premature claim you got there.

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I'm vanilla.. don't waste a lynch on me.

At a glance you're at L-7 or so, I think; very premature claim you got there.

Is claiming early scumtell?

Not necessarily; not town-helpful either. I voted him before claim, which didn't make me any less supicious.

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Three of my games ended within a ~24 hour period . If this counts as a full game, I'm nearly an IC ...

Well, I tried. I thought I got prime position for scum on that Veerus bandwagon, I tell you. Pesco, you had one heck of a good gut. I was worried for a secomd when I saw you voted me, then just decided to not respond. Also, that really weird post about Pesco shouting out to the other scumteam? Though it would doom me.

Weird thing to note: I had

absolutely no idea

that Animorph was on my scumteam until he flipped (and even then I thought it was a mod error for a second). Seems he really did lose his Role PM and didn't get around to the quicktopic until halfway through Day 1, when I wasn't checking to darn thing. I really thought he was town, and towards the end of the wagon wanted to be cautious ... I'll go down on record as having used the 'too scummy to be scum' logical fallacy as scum, and, unknowingly on a scumbuddy. Huh.

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Oh, and it's nice to see Percy was scum.

I had a feeling I'd have to get around to bussing him Day 3, despite the fact that he was our Framer. Well, there was only one Cop anyway, and his Afternoon investigations were Insane ... meh.

Yay simulpost!

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I knew the veerus wagon was crap. Was wrong about FL, though, so sorry 'bout that.

I blocked you and percy. Apparently I didn't block percy at the right time though. (At least I think I blocked percy). 50% accuracy with night actions ftw!

And everyone thinks I'm scum when I'm town. I'm used to it.

I blocked you. My Afternoon blocks were good for the Night, too, and I had a plain Night block as well, which I used on Roflcopter .

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That is AWESOME! You all thought I was a vig. Now, an awesomer thing to do would have been if I were VANILLA and pulled that off. Since then, yanno, I wouldn't be losing a role action anyway .

I wasn't sure about it or anything, but I didn't have any better leads on a roleblocking target . . .