Trifia: Town wins after Day Eight

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category: water

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oh crap. sorry about that...I didn't realize that we had questions yet...luckily for me, I just took Advanced Chemistry and on of our last tests had a question like this, so I'll have to say

Answer:Nitrogen

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Category: War

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hmmm, forgot that more was actually happening besides category choosing...at this point, I pretty much agree with the points posted against Locus's plan, since that's what I thought of when I read it...

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day would not end...day ends after lynching AND answering...

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ANSWER: House of York

best guess i've got...stewart & nassau doesn't seem like the right time period...besides, I know york's a house, so at least it exists!

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I'd like to

FOS: Mastermind of Sin

for answering his question already. We have quite some time before the day ends and I thought we were going to discuss some strategies here. I don't mind discussing the questions, but we should hold off bolding our answers for now.

sorry, I didn't see you discussing that...i just sorta skimmed the previous pages without really reading much

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sorry, I didn't see you discussing that...i just sorta skimmed the previous pages without really reading much

For lack of much better to go on, and since I probably won't have another chance to vote before the deadline anyway, I'm going to

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

for this. Mafia can easily get away with only quickly skimming posts, just looking to see if one of their members is threatened. For the town, we rely on the posts during the day, and careful examination of them, to get successful lynch results (unless we want to trust to blind luck...which I don't.) Therefore, he is either Mafia, or a sloppy townie who wouldn't be much use to us anyway...I'm ok with a lynch on either, though I'd prefer the former...

I hadn't even considered the possibility of still using deliberately bogus answers to still get the effect of not answering, even if the correct answer is known. With that in mind, I'll post the answers that I know, and the rest of you can decide what to do about them...I'm leaving tomorrow morning, so can't really contribute to the discussion for the rest of this day-cycle anyway unless I manage to get access along the way before Monday.

War: It is indeed the House of York / line of Edward IV represented by the White Rose. The opposition was the House of Lancaster / line of Henry IV.

Pestilence: Already posted above with my official answer.

Death: I'm pretty sure this is a quote from Paul Newman. Though my favorite quote of his has got to be "If you're playing a poker game and look around the table and can't tell who the sucker is, it's you".

Good luck folks...I'll check in as often as I can until I get settled in, should be back full time sometime the 10th or 11th.

you seemed to have skimmed posts as well, because you missed my earlier post that said I didn't know we were actually playing the game during the category selection part of the day...that's why I only skimmed, because at the time, I didn't think there was anything relevant that I needed to know...

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oh, and also,

VOTE:Raccoon

for being hypocritical, since I don't really have anything else ATM

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Andrew, even if you put a random answer, it should at least be plausible in case it's right...it never hurts to guess if you have no clue...

FOS:AndrewS

I saw your post (though it confused me - IIRC we had already discussed the possibility of preplanning votes even on "day 0"). However, that just shows that you only skimmed the rules as well,

Seriously, my vote is a pretty weak vote, and really the only reason it is a vote and not just an FOS is that I doubt I will get a chance to post a "proper" vote before the deadline. I just shipped the last of the stuff that is getting shipped, and the only thing I have left to pack into the car before leaving now is my computer...which will be done as soon as I finish this post. So please, noone take my vote as a very strong thought at all, it's more an FOS with a pre-vote in case more information is turned up.

actually, I read very little of Day 0, because I didn't think anything was going on...when I read the rules, I took it to mean that discussion and answering would begin together, and didn't realize that anything would happen during category selection...now that I know, though, I'll be checking this thread more regularly now that I've figured out how this is gonna work...

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I'd advise no one more to vote for Andrew until he's around to explain himself, since he's 4 from a lynch by my count...

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4 from a lynch is barely even warm. When he's two from, maybe you can start talking.

in a game this size, I would imagine there are many more scum, and I don't want to bring him close enough for them to jump on him...for all I know, you're scum and posted that so two of your scum buddies could jump on and let some other townies finish it or something...Andrew could very well be scum, but if he's not, I don't want to take the chance...

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AndrewS wrote:
If I was scum, why would it help to intentionally select wrong? Lynch me if you want, but all you'd be doing is killing an innocent.


The theory as I understand it is that mafia gets its kill no matter what, while townies have to 'earn' their night choices if any by submitting right answers. So yes, if you're scum, selecting wrong answers intentionally would help your cause.

I'm going to see if you've claimed a useful role, and if not -I'm voting you.

No useful role claimed.

vote: AndrewS

I'd like to call to attention these two posts by Leonidas and ask him to explain himself...you say in your post that you'll wait and see if his supposed role is useful, then two minutes later vote for him without giving him a chance to claim...what sort of bs is that? whether or not Andrew is scum, I feel that you were definitely way too anxious to add to the vote count, not even giving him a chance to role claim before you voted for him...he was still three away from a lynch when you posted, so it's quite understandable that Andrew might not have claimed yet. However, instead of letting him claim first so you could decide whether his role was useful or not, you voted for him just

two minutes

after the first post. Please explain yourself, because my vote's going on you once day comes around again.

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AndrewS already claimed.
What Leonidas meant was after he would finish his post, he will analyze AndrewS' claim. Then he didn't believe him and voted for him.

Are you deliberately misinterpreting here, MoS?

from what I saw, Andrew didn't claim until after Leonidas voted for him...are you deliberately misstating the facts?

Also, I can accept your explanation, Leonidas...i don't know if Andrew is/was scum or not, but it seemed that you were either scum jumping on a bandwagon of someone not on your team, or you were scum with him and were trying to get a vote on the wagon before he got close enough to a lynch that you might be accused of just voting for him when it seemed hopeless...anyways, that was just my reaction at the time...I misread what you said and I apologize

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Category: Present

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how do we know that everyone has an ability? or did the mod say this an i missed it somewhere?

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ROFLMAO@STD

Vote...err..Answer: watch chain

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ditto

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Category: Tenil

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I am about 98% sure of my question.

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Something to consider, although we of course don't know for sure, and therefore should still follow through with the suggested plan (at least IMO), but what if the scum roles don't need to answer correctly to make a kill? that would sort of shoot the above theory to bits, but I can't really think of a way to test it efficiently...unless a scum wants to come out and tell us

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there is the possibility of multiple docs, as well as roleblockers and the like.

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i can't really see what's so scummy about thrawn...what he mentioned was a very real possibility, and I consider it nearly as likely as dmi telling the truth. So am I supposed to answer wrong, then? I know the answer to my question, but I can submit a wrong one if that's the plan.

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answer correctly or incorrectly?

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Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (2, 6, 4) = 12

like this?

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So why is it again that we are lynching Thrawn? I haven't seen him do anything particularly scummy yet, but people keep jumping on his bandwagon for no apparent reason. Also, if he is lynched, I would like to suggest that we reroll from the list of possible sks, since it will be one person shorter, and have the three people thusly selected answer incorrectly. However, I have yet to see why Thrawn should be lynched at all, so the current list should be perfectly acceptable as long as the three of us are still alive.

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so who is it that's answering wrong today? I just want to make sure one last time before we move on.

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are there any objections to this plan? otherwise I'll just answer...

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I'm pretty sure we just made a mistake, but we'll just have to see.

Major FOS: Quailman and Jaguar

for piling on the votes to lynch without even waiting to see if anyone else would claim townie, as Dmi asked. You lynched him barely over an hour since Dmi asked, so most people wouldn't have had time to check the thread and support thrawn. Quailman even quoted the post where Dmi asked for another townie claim, yet he still piled on his vote. If thrawn turns up innocent, i suggest we take a hard look at Quailman and Jaguar tomorrow.

Answer: Jonny McGovern

And yes, Lewis Carroll is the answer to the Tenille question.

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ummm...I'm not buying that...no way in hell I'll buy that. You can't just make a blantantly scummy move and say you'll apologize if you were wrong and expect to have me just drop it. If we did that, scum could just always apologize for getting pro-town players lynched, and we'd lose every time. Your apologies mean nothing to me. I would rather that you waited until deadline to give someone a chance to claim i they are out there instead of rushing the lynch. He was going to be lynched at deadline anyways, I see no reason for you to jump on so quickly.

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Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

1) Quailman
2) Dragon Pheonix

Picked one answers right.

Just in case we decide to use the same strategy, although I don't think it's plausible today. If the SK is the one that answers right, then they could withhold their kill to get the other person lynched.

Category: Arm

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So you think the SK kills the same way as the Heisenbergs, but the other mafia group uses a different method? Yesterday, you seemed to think the mangling was the SK, because that's what makes sense.

FOS: Quailman

because I'm not willing to vote for you until we've had more discussion.

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how do you know that DP hasn't excercised his choice every night?

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I've got the same feeling...

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BTW, wherever inHim said AndrewS, I believe he meant Quailman, because AndrewS was already lynched. And yes, he said he blocked PB, and I want to hear PB's reaction to this.

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no problem, i do it all the time...however, unlike most people who try to lynch people who get confused like that, I empathize, because I know it happens whether someone is scum or not.

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uh, why?

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no, i believe it's maximumum, bengel, and I

one thing that came to mind as a possibility, what if there is a role that let's people have their night choice even if they answer wrong? That way, some of the people who answered wrong could still send in a kill. It just occurred to me as a possibility.

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VOTE: Inhim, Answer: Pittsburgh University

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I had no clue on either of the answers, so I can't help you. I'm just glad someone else knew about my question.

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I could've sworn I already submitted this...stupid mafiascum dying on me all the time...

category: black

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i think i know my answer, but i'm not sure...

as for suspicions, i'm not sure, but i'm not seeing the answering wrong as a valid thing anymore...i have the feeling that there is a role that can target someone, and if that person answered wrong, they get their night choice...that's how i think the sk got a kill the night he answered wrong...i agree that it would be against the spirit of the game to make the sk or any other role not dependant on answers, but if there was a role that could make your answer right? As of this time, I'm not sure who to be suspicious of, but I'm not throwing anyone out.

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Well, it's something I already stated yesterday that a SK killer role cannot be balanced in this game if he's restricted to killing after a correct answer. I do think it's a good weapon to catch Mafia with though. As the SK is that now I think we can assume that someone answering wrong cannot kill. Of course that still makes it hard to find groups with multiple living members. Especially when so many right answers have been given in the last few days.
I tried to look at all the categories chosen each day and hoped to find players that were in different categories each day. Unfortunately there weren't any. Mainly cause by all 7 of the remaining players choosing Tenille as their category one day.

I think Jaguar's reasoning is pretty sound that one of Bengel, Maxi and MoS is the remaining Heisenberg Mafia member. I've personally been rather suspicious of Maximum yesterday, but that was because of the way she went against my reasoning about the SK. As she's not the SK there remains little ground for that suspicion.
I do feel that MoS' last post looks a lot like a desperate attempt to get out:

as for suspicions, i'm not sure, but i'm not seeing the answering wrong as a valid thing anymore...i have the feeling that there is a role that can target someone, and if that person answered wrong, they get their night choice...that's how i think the sk got a kill the night he answered wrong...i agree that it would be against the spirit of the game to make the sk or any other role not dependant on answers, but if there was a role that could make your answer right? As of this time, I'm not sure who to be suspicious of, but I'm not throwing anyone out.

The way he goes from a SK that does not need a right answer, to other roles ending (or more starting with it) with completely dismissing the right/wrong answers as a clue to find scum. I'm still convinced that the answers are relevant, but expect an exception was made for the SK for game balancing reasons.

For the astronomer I thought it was van Oort, but I'm not so sure. I'll probably answer in a few hours as after that I'm not online until the deadline.

vote:MoS

Thoth, that's a lot of BS spin you put on my post. I said that I do not think the sk could bypass answering, but I do think that there is a role which can target someone each night and change their answer to whatever the correct one is.

Vote: Thoth

for completely misrepresenting what I just said in such a way that it imparts an idea that I specifically said I do

not

believe is true. I find it interesting that before the SK died, everyone seemed convinced that no role could have an answering exception, but now that he's dead, no one is willing to stand by their previous statements of how an sk who could bypass answering wouldn't be a fair role in the spirit of the game and therefore probably doesn't exist. And Bengel, how do you know that other people haven't been able to bypass answers? The only way we can tell is if killing roles kill when they answered wrong, so if the role that let's your choice through targets a non-killing role, it wouldn't show up unless that role found out and told us.

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o.O

umm...yeah...

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bah, my team sucks, and the town lynched me for no fricking reason whatsoever...