Trifia: Town wins after Day Eight

[Quailman]

Category: Water

[Quailman]

I only know the answer ot one category, though I might have been able to guess at another.

Answer: Nitrogen

[Quailman]

Mastermind of Sin chose Water and has not answered.

[Quailman]

Category: War

And since Locus Cosecant was so anxious to vote yesterday, I'll start with

vote: Locus Cosecant

[Quailman]

And I propose that anyone who posts an answer to a question before the town has a chance to use the trivia aspect to its advantage be immediately lynched.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? The category selection pattern?

[Quailman]

I wonder what would happen if we reached a lynch majority before getting questions to answer, or submitting answers...

[Quailman]

Bah! I only know one of these, and it's not the category I chose.

[Quailman]

All I know about the War of the Roses is that it starred Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner and Danny DiVito. I hesitate to post these, lest they confuse someone who might have a better clue than I, but I seem to recall that there are several "houses":

York, Windsor, Stuart, Hanover, Tudor, Orange ( I didn't know it was Orange-Nassau).

There are so many who chose that category, I will cross my fingers and hope some limey chimes in with a definitive answer before I guess one of Pooky's suggestions.

[Quailman]

bah! Death was the only one I knew and I wasn't going to give it away. But I guess I shouldn't be all sour grapes, since I am benefitting from others' knowledge myself.

answer: House of York

[Quailman]

One thing that may be interesting to look at is how people are split up over categories. It would seem logical for a scum group to all pick a different category, making sure they have the best chance to at least get someone with a night action. Once we find some scum we might get some useful information from these first two questions that way.

That would mean therre's a good chance that either or both of AndrewS and Maximumum are evil. Likewise with PeaceBringer and Raccoon_TOF.

I am puzzled by this, however:

Well...Since I don't know the answer either, I'm just going to say....
Answer: Tony the Tiger

Maximumum gave a very convincing explanation to support her answer in the post made one hour prior to AndrewS's. I sure would have jumped on that. In fact, it sounds like the voice of someone who doesn't really care about his night action because he already has a comrade who's answered another category correctly.

unvote: Locus Cosecant; vote: AndrewS

[Quailman]

In addition to the unusual way that AndrewS answered, there remains the 50-50 chance that he's scum anyway. We (someone else brought it up, not me) surmised that the scum would select different categories so as to maximize their chances of retaining a night kill. Only two people chose this category - AndrewS and Maximumum. Not to exonerate Maximumum, but I'm keeping my vote on AndrewS.

[Quailman]

...or don't.

[Quailman]

Post 245. Those of us who were old enough to vote when Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald Ford still remember a little of what was happening in the nation back then.

[Quailman]

Last time your state went Democrat, Quailman.

If you're talking about Texas, it wasn't my state. New Jersey was, and I've lived in three other states since then, before moving here. And I'm not a Texan, I just live here, so it's not my state.

[Quailman]

Category: Past

[Quailman]

I received a smallpox vaccination as an infant. I remember standing in line at my university to get innoculated for the swine flu, though I totally forgot what the vaccination was for (a symptom of my advancing years or a side effect of the vaccine?). It was and remains the only shot I've ever received with a 'gun' injector instead of a conventional syringe.

And Maximumum, that's an interesting observation about the victims' categories. I made my selection before you posted it and now I'm wondering if it would have made a difference. I think not, especially since it's probably just coincidence.

[Quailman]

I think the brutal murders are the work of a serial killer rather than a vigilante.

[Quailman]

Dan Marino sounds right. I remember hearing about his performance and it wasn't (I think) in the top five. I'm pretty sure another who was mentioned was Kurt Warner. Tarkenton and Montana had some good solid numbers, but they were with more balanced teams that didn't have to come from behind with a lot of passing very often.

[Quailman]

What DP said. I didn't count the votes, but I'll wait to see if Coron or dmi has anything they want to add before the lynch.

And the more I think about it (and read remarks like inHimshallibe's), the more confident I feel about Marino. I will wait to see if anyone checks in with a definitive answer before boloding, though.

[Quailman]

I'd rather take my chances without a "Guardwatch Ensign" to watch over me.

Vote: Coron

[Quailman]

Hmmm....

I wonder if one more post will fix the "no posts exist for this topic" problem.

[Quailman]

I might not be able to give this much attention in the next couple of days, so I will follow what's been suggested and

answer: Dan Marino

.

[Quailman]

never even heard of this duo

n00b! How could you not know all their great hits, like

Muskrat Love

,

Love WIll Keep Us Together

, and, um...

[Quailman]

category: Tennille

[Quailman]

Well, I've heard of the free phone call thing with the Cap'n Crunch whistle, but I have no idea who that was. Luckily that's not my question. I have a pretty good idea about the answer to the other one. I don't want to say it just yet in case my answer is wrong, someone knows it for certain but can't think of the author's name, and my mentioning a name throws him off.

[Quailman]

That's a good idea, Jaguar. I pointed out that we had a fifty-fifty chance of AndrewS or Maximumum being scum when they were the only two to choose a category. (We lynched AndrewS and he was indeed scum). At the same time Raccoon_TOF was one of two in another category, and IIRC, the same thing with him the next day. Hmmm... I don't have time to check back now, but if I did I'd watch his behavior.

Since several people seem to be pretty sure, I'm thinking it's Lewis Carroll, and that he was the illustrator for

Alice in Wonderland

and

Through the Looking Glass

.

[Quailman]

As a tracker, you may be our best bet for a cop right now.

We started with 24 and have lost 11. They include 2 Heisenberg Mafia and 1 Pirate of the Endless Night mafia. There were three deaths nights 1 & 2. So we have two mafia groups and a SK? If each Mafia group had three to start, that would be 7 of 24 bad guys. Some of the other roles we've lost aren't totally clear as to their nature. Reference Librarian/Knowledge gatherer and Systems Analyst/Deputy. These might have been our cops, and we lost the replacement cyborg night one as well.

If someone had the time (I do not), he could analyze who answered correctly every day (or who missed an answer at least once). If as I am guessing there is a lone SK, he has successfully made a kill each night.

If there is a cop out there, he has hopefully had three investigations. In addition to the strategy you mention, maybe he could guide us to lynch a bad guy today.

I myself am not really in favor of one cop coming out. What if a mafia comes out as a cop instead and gets a free kill tonight while none of us get a choice tonight? Also, I'm pretty sure of my answer for Tennille, but what if (a) I'm wrong or (b) the cop chose the Captain and no one knows that answer for sure or is wrong?

[Quailman]

Yet another reason not to limit our answers.

Whew! I've gone back to see who answered all correctly each time, because a lone SK would have to be among them:

Quailman
Mastermind of Sin
Maximumum
Dragon Phoenix
Bengel54321
Dmi
PeaceBringer
thrawn1020

8 of us, except DMI is a tracker and I'm not the SK, and I really do not think it's DP or PeaceBringer. I will lay odds that we have a serial killer among MoS, Maximumum, Bengel, or Thrawn. Can anyone limit this any more?

[Quailman]

I can understand why you would want to consider me a possibility for the serial killer (even though I brought up the theory of people who've answered correctly). Remember that he has no affiliates. When I say we could narrow it down by not including DP (he could still be scum), I wish you would just take my word.

As for Dmi's observations about thrawn, I'm glad you went back and checked. I agree, his posting pattern is rather scummy, and we may be nailing the serial killer with the airlock instead of the sophisticated plan.

vote: Thrawn

Of course, we won't know until the lynch

and

answering process is complete.

[Quailman]

So I'm "free to answer correctly", as DMI says. Well, I've already offered what I belive to be the correct answer for Tennille, but I am waiting to see if anyone knows for sure. I wonder if the only ones who do are those who have been asked not to answer today.

[Quailman]

I know we have a deadline approaching, but

unvote: Thrawn

I will look for another from the list if there's time.

[Quailman]

Thrawn gave all the right answers, though I am a bit suspicious of a person not having any choice in this game.

Among Bengel, MoS and Maximumum, I will

vote: Bengel

and

answer: Lewis Carroll

[Quailman]

I don't think there are townies.
Even if thrawn is a townie, it won't be a bad loss for the town.

Lastly, IS ANYONE ELSE A TOWNIE? Or is this a game with a single townie.
Thrawn's claim is BS.

Come on, let's lynch him already. We've got less than 4 hours until the deadline. (2 PM EST)

You know, I think you're right.

unvote: Bengel; vote: Thrawn

I think that's six of seven, so he'll be deadline-lynched if nothing else.

[Quailman]

MoS: What Jaguar said, plus DMI's question, in all caps, was rhetorical. I do not believe there is anyone here without a night choice. I do not think Thrawn is our SK, but I got to thinking on the drive to work this morning that I shouldn't have unvoted him so quickly.

[Quailman]

And only two deaths again, although this time we note that we are indeed missing one of the mafia targets. This means that the SK did indeed kill last night (If the mangling death is indeed the deed of the SK).

Everything you said after this point is based on that assumption. It is either wrong or the SK has a partner. Or was there another person we were considering as a possible SK? ~goes back to re-read yesterday's goings-on~ Oh yeah, Thrawn.

And we are not necessarily missing a target. If both freezer-burn killers targeted DMI, he wouldn't be double-frozen, would he?

[Quailman]

We've lynched two Heisenberg Mafias and a Pirate Mafia was frozen. I think the Pirate Mafia are the mangling killers and we stopped the SK last night. I'm going to go with one of the three who didn't answer correctly yesterday.

vote: Bengel

I am not the SK and I very highly doubt that DP is either.

Category: ARM

[Quailman]

Look at yesterday, StD. I got the SK thing started to begin with.

[Quailman]

So you're saying that I should be proclaiming DP to be the SK, right? Had I done so, combined with my having suggested this approach to begin with, he'd probably be halfway to a lynch by now. The trouble is, while he may be mafia, he has not exercised his choice every night, so I believe that he is not the SK. And I am not the SK, so where does that leave us? With ten alive, and probably one Heisenberg Mafia, Two Pirate Mafia and an SK.

[Quailman]

I thought you'd never ask. Yesterday I listed eight people, including myself, who had answered correctly each night. I discounted myself and DMI, whom I trusted. I also mistakenly had PeaceBringer on the list. I said at the time that I didn't think DP or PB were the SK, but I didn;t say why, even when asked. I think Thrawn had figured it out. If I were a betting man, I'd wager that there's a roleblocker in the game and he blocked those two on successive nights.

[Quailman]

I don't necessarily agree with the killing method assignments that Quailman brought forth. We know that there are two groups that freeze and one that mangles. Why would the two mafia groups have different killing methods? It is standard practise that the SK has a different kill method from the mafia groups. But in this case, you are saying that the SK freezes someone, like the Heisenberg mafia does? And that this proves that the SK was stopped last night and hence has to be one of the three that answered incorrectly?

Right now I don't know who uses what method. Only the scum know for sure (though I've been in games where the scum only learned how their victim died at daybreak). I don't know what to think, and even if thought I did, it wouldn't prove anything. I just want to vote for Bengel.

Quailman, I too would like to hear more about your role and would like for DP to confirm or deny that he's taken an action or not every night. But that still doesn't mean that DP can't be scum. If DP is part of a mafia group, it is entirely possible that he didn't do something for some nights. After all, with three or four scum in a mafia group, only one needs to carry out the killing action.

I doubt that DP knows that he was blocked one night, whether or not he submitted a choice. A roleblocker just submits a name. Of course, if my choice were redirected, or someone else blocked me...

[Quailman]

Are you saying that if inHim was not scum, scum would have bandwagoned him? Since no one joined you, he must be part of the scum? If so, it's weak. I've been accused of being in cahoots with you, so a vote for the same person you're voting for might be misinterpreted.

My vote for Bengel was a random choice among the three who did not answer correctly yesterday. InHimshallibe is one of the others (isn't he?). I'd be glad to support his lynch, but like I said, I don't want to be the only one.

[Quailman]

Ohhh...

unvote: Bengel; vote: inHimshallibe

Answer: University of Pittsburgh

[Quailman]

I haven't seen any speculation on the Hammer answer. The only detective writers I can think of are Dashiell Hammett and Agatha Christie. The latter wrote about Hercule Poirot (I think), and the former comes to mind only because of the resemblance of his name to Mr. Hammer's. Wish I could help.

[Quailman]

I don't need help. I was trying to provide some. I benefitted the same as you.

[Quailman]

Black seems wide open. I think I'll try

category: Decker

[Quailman]

~One wonders if posting another message will eliminate the "No posts exist for this topic" error and at the same time allow me to claim

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[Quailman]

Bah! I have no idea about either of these. It looks like I'll have to rely upon the kindness of strangers again.

I know what I'd guess if I had to for Black (I chose Decker).

[Quailman]

I'll bet you meant to say 'Black'.

My only guess on the Black one is about the only astronomer I can name from the era in which black holes probably got named. It's not my question, so I'll let the people who have to answer it discuss it first, lest I throw them off with a name that might be wrong.

Oh, and I'm going to leave PeaceBringer alone for now... I agree that was suspect, the way he didn't answer, but I want to re-read a few days first.

[Quailman]

That's a useful analysis. I wish that just a few of my many posts were half as helpful as that.

I had gone through the last couple of days and gotten a funny feeling about Thoth. Of the three that you mention, I suspect Maximumum the least. MoS also makes my suspicious list. For now, I will get things started with a

vote: Thoth

.

[Quailman]

And we have about 26 hours left before the deadline (It's just before 11PM GMT on Wednesday right now) , so should we start thinking about answering the questions?

Yes, we should. The only astronomer I can think of for Black is Hubble. I read a book about his contributions to science, but I only read it short segments (I kept it in the loo), so I can't remember if he named black holes or not.

[Quailman]

Help me out here, Bengel. Who played Decker?

[Quailman]

Don't shoot me if it's wrong...

I don't have the ability to, and even if I did, I'm oing to use that answer, so if it's wrong I wouldn't get to.

Answer: Collins

[Quailman]

At the risk of sounding like I'm jumping on a bandwagon, I had decided to vote MoS for the reasons Jaguar brought up, except that I could not have expressed myself as aloquently as he. Basically, I don't believe MoS. I think he's created a role (choice enabler?) to justify actions that incriminate him (or Thoth).

unvote: Thoth; vote: MoS

[Quailman]

Blueberry is my favorite!

[Quailman]

...not to mention they would all be at least

fortysomethings

by now. I've no idea. Barbara Billingsley? No, she was never nominated for an Oscar. Susan Sarandon?

[Quailman]

category: Lemon Meringue

I'm probably the closest of any here to having been alive when Mr. Wagner played (it was American Baseball), but I still missed him by a good 30 years (I think).

Pretty sure it wasn't catcher. I don't think he pitched either. I'd guess 1B or somewhere in the outfield.

[Quailman]

Well, I think he was a good hitter, with both power and speed. The only position I'd discount is catcher. If you'd accept outfield instead of center, left or right, then there are six positions to choose from. And with speed, he probably wasn't a first baseman. That leaves 2nd, ss, 3rd and OF. I'm changing my opinion to either 2nd, short or OF, probably center if in the OF. I'd guess center field.

[Quailman]

I blocked Thoth last night, so he didn't do the killing. I had blocked Maximumum the night before. I'm beginning to think I am an incompetent blocker, except the more likely explanation is that I am just unlucky.

I suspect everyone except me.

[Quailman]

Role Blocker (with limited access today and tomorrow - bah!) I've tried PeaceBringer, and others - list is at office and I'm off this week. I'll check PM's when I have time later today. I already mentioned Thoth and Maximumum last two nights.

[Quailman]

I'm buying Quailman's claim as I was roleblocked last night. That does not mean he can't be scum though with an extra ability. Especially as it could still be a onetime ability as the other character he says to have blocked is dead.

IIRC, DP also backed me up when I said I had blocked him, back when we were trying to ferret out the SK.

[Quailman]

PeaceBringer was attacked. Thoth saved him. Jaguar was blocked.

vote: Bengel

[Quailman]

I blocked him.

vote: Jaguar

[Quailman]

I tried to give it away to the bad guys. The first five nights I blocked three people who had no night choice, an investigator (DP) and a doc (Raccoon) who had submitted the name of someone who died that night. I'm glad it all worked out in the end.

Thanks for modding a great game, Fuldu!