Sushi Mafia! Game Over

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those death scenes are making me hungry...

anyway...Day 2 now. what do you guys want to do?

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EBWOP:

Stupid question:

Does scum know the identity of other scum in this game?

ummm...assuming it's a normal scumgroup, yes. it's rare when they don't.

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put your vote where your mouth is MK. fos does nothing.

now then, I understand the cases against Pear Bear, but posts like this:

EBWOP:

Stupid question:

Does scum know the identity of other scum in this game?

make me think he could just be a poor old townie.

now OGML I definitely do see as scummy based on his play yesterday.

Vote: OGML

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now then, I understand the cases against Pear Bear, but posts like this:

EBWOP:

Stupid question:

Does scum know the identity of other scum in this game?

make me think he could just be a poor old townie.

now OGML I definitely do see as scummy based on his play yesterday.

Vote: OGML

Whenever I hear someone say something like, "based on his play yesterday" accompanied by a bandwagon vote, my ears twitch. No analysis, no real reason for your vote, and no real explanation for why that quote makes you think Pear Bear is townie. You mention both wagons, but your reasons for choosing one and rejecting the other seem arbitrary.

Also, this, the first post on Day 2:

those death scenes are making me hungry...

anyway...Day 2 now. what do you guys want to do?

Seems like now that you've figured out what everyone wants to do, you're happy to go along.

FoS Narsis

a) the case against OGML was already stated and i agree with thoughts on his play yesterday, and b) i would have thought that the reasoning behind the post making PB look more town would have been obvious. i would think that scum would know whether they know who the other scum are or aren't.

as for my first post...i hadn't really read over the game yet since replacing in.

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oh you broke your quote tags. i thought for a second you were voting yourself. T.T

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which makes ortolan's vote the hammer correct?

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Slicey's case is most excellent.

I anxiously await Pear Bear's response.

QFT.

now then, it's day 3 and time for me to wake up and actually do soemthing. time for another re-read...

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well, that was a fast day 3.

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to be honest i find myself agreeing with MK. the Flameaxe lynch was too fast in my opinion. granted he did nothing to help himself or deter us from lynching and i probably would have voted him myself had i been around...but i absolutely hate quick lynches.

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to be honest i find myself agreeing with MK. the Flameaxe lynch was too fast in my opinion. granted he did nothing to help himself or deter us from lynching and i probably would have voted him myself had i been around...but i absolutely hate quick lynches.

I don't like quicklynches any more than you do, but when a player does the ultimate scum move of refusing to claim, or even explain why he might want to refuse to claim, what are we going to do, talk about the weather until deadline?

In other news, I'm liking Slicey more and more.

yeah...i see your point. i still think we could have done with mroe discussion of some kind.

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There's too much reacting to what happened last night and what people posted today. We need to go back and start looking at voting patterns now. I don't have time to do that right now, but I might on the weekend.

i tend to agree.

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oh wow. i leave the thread with good thoughts about MK, come back and read the new stuff...and find he's doing the exact same thing as Flameaxe. no townie in their right mind would act that way, especially after what happened yesterday. and yet...man i hate WIFOM.

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i'm thinking about it.

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What do you need to think about? The mere fact that MK is using Flameaxe's town flip to give him an excuse to act anti-town while confusing the townies should be enough to lynch this obvious scum.

it does make sense...and if Flameaxe hadn't turned town yesterday i probably wouldn't have hesitated to vote MK....

Vote: MK

for obvious reasons.

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wait a minute...doesn't that put him at L-1?

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In light of the nightkill, I've done a partial re-read(to make sure i remembered stuff right) and some thinking:

First, since the nightkill was not a townie, but scum, it means that there is not 1 but 2 scum groups. I would guess that we have a Precooked Mafia and a Knife mafia(or sk), because we had a Knife Cop.

Secondly, the kills are all knife related, so I think all the kills come from one mafia group, the Knife Mafia(or Knife SK). Add in that there has been only 1 nk per night, and maybe the second mafia cannot kill.

Thirdly, I'm also guessing that one scumgroup doesn't know each other's identity. I think that's what Pear Bear was getting at early on. At first I didn't think much of the question, it looked like a noob question, but it's not impossible that one mafia group does not know who each other are. I think Pear Bear was telegraphing something to the other mafia members. Also, when he said that the mafia was keeping him alive because it's useless, at first I thought it was just weird, but now in hindsight, he might have been once again trying to telegraph something. The scum is letting him live. What a strange thing to say, unless your buddies don't know who you are, and you have to send them a message during the day with everyone reading and watching.

I don't know which mafia group doesn't know each other. It's either the Precooked or the Knife Mafia. Since the Precooked Mafia seems to be unable to kill, which is a big disadvantage, this suggests that the other group might have a similar disadvantage, like maybe they don't know each other. I think Pear Bear is a member of the Mafia that doesn't know each other. Quite possibly the group that does the killings.

Vote: Pear Bear

The other possibility is the existence of an sk, but with those posts by Pear Bear...I find the likelyhood of a second mafia to be greater.

Also, this is one reason why voting pattern analysis isn't going to work too well. If one mafia group doesn't know their buddies, they'll be hard to catch. An sk is also difficult to catch via vote patterns.

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I suppose so. The other thing that doesn't make sense is how can a mafia group that can't kill even win?

i've seen games with mafia unable to nk. in fact, in a game on another site(in which i'm a dead townie. T.T) they have almost won. it's quite probable that a mafia without an nk could win.

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But it's pretty imbalanced if there's another killing faction in the game, yes???

no. in fact, the game in question has an sk and two mafia. granted it's only an 8 person game...but i'd assume that it could scale up in some form or another.

I've seen the role Knife Cop before, dgb. I'm not pulling this out of thin air.

where?

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i really hope PB actually tries to defend himself. all my hard work and he doesn't even show up to try to counter it.

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what an unexpected, but not very surprising, turn of events.

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i didn't expect him to not defend himself, but i'm not surprised to see that he didn't.

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don't rush it too much DGB. i've been in the situation where i replaced in for another player that put himself in a really bad position. it can be very frusrating. add in that AK needs to reread most of the thread to get the case against him...you get the picture.

even so...the replacement thing i see as a null tell, mainly because PB replaced out due to lack of time. it does mean that he's a decent guy though.

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I still think PB replaced because we were catching on to him. Hell, I've seen it done before (can't go into too much detail because it's an ongoing game.) AK's defense has been weak up to this point.

Vote: AK

if that was the reason then why did he even bother to post saying he lacked the time to play the game? imo someone ticked off at a lynch would either let it run down to his death(like the last two days) or would just sit there and say nothing until the mod replaced them, or ask for replacement but say nothing. the fact that PB made a post in thread about the situation makes me belive the replacement thing is a null tell. why null? cause both scum and townie could/would replace out like that. however, a ticked off/caught player wouldn't.

but that's just my opinion.

on a side note: AK hasn't had much chance to defend himself anyway. he needs to finish his reread first after all...

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from what i understand: AK claimed townie and went for a reread.

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i'm fine with an extension. anything to give AK a chance to properly defend himself.

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Patience is a virtue.

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sorry for my recent disappearance.

as the day's gone by..i'm starting to see AK as less and less scummy. even so there is still the whole PB scenario that just isn't making sense.

but...i still think i shall:

Unvote

although i do have one question AK: in light of your knowledge of what role PB had, what's the best reasons you can think of for why he would act in the way he did?

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man i hate weekends. at least a mafia died. XD

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didn't stay to talk about it? how so? i believe i made a few comments afterward. the main problem was that DGB took it for a ride. becasue of that there was little for me to say about it anyway really. and after a while discussion moved to other topics.