Medieval Mafia - Game Over

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:20 am

scotmany12 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
scotmany12 wrote:WIFOM, maybe you should explain to all of us why he is town.
I have reason to believe his role claim. Ask no more.
You mean the roleclaim that he said was a joke? Like in this post.

The real joke was for him to say it was a joke. Because the role is real.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:23 am

I like where this is going!

vote: stark

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:24 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Cryptic posts about Dr Livingstone aren't contribution.
What was cryptic about that post, exactally?

Right off the bat, you can eliminate 'snark' as a possible cryptic element.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:31 am

scotmany12 wrote: Just because xyl said so? It's not like double voting confirms xyl as town. Why are you so quick to follow xyl?

Also, xyl, stop kidding around and making jokes and shit. Obviously, you are a double voter, at least for today. But don't keep saying shit like you are a dycop-vig, recruiting mason.

Dead Man Walking

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:36 am

Xylthixlm wrote:Nah, I think scotmany's town.

Yeah you're right, I'm just trying to frighten some sense into him, because he's not responsive to awesome logic.

I should apologize.

*sorry scot*

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:36 am

populartajo wrote:
qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)
Yes, there is scum here.
Vote : Xyl.

Crazy as I am, thank god I was not crazy enough to give you a second vote.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:38 am

populartajo wrote:Bunch of crazy nonesense

Look. If you want to look for scum in that wagon, let me narrow the field down for you.

Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084

Any other player, and I'm blocking my ears singing to myself so as not to hear you.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:42 am

populartajo wrote:But I thought you liked me.

I do like you, but you're going to have to quit being so wrong!

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:44 am

populartajo wrote:crywolf is dead

Even better.

Kmd4390, Yosarian2.

Think of yourself as a blind man, guided by the hand of the sighted.

Read these two players' posts, and tell me which is scummiest, and why.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:46 am

populartajo wrote:Can anyone explain me why the hell Xyl is town?

No. No one is certain, really.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:00 pm

farside22 wrote:DGB you are hurting my head here.

Mission accomplished.

farside22 wrote:Why vote for stark. Why do you think yos2 is scum. I get kmd as some of his post have been off to me.

I'm voting for stark. But pop has brought up some good points about scum being on the qwints wagon. So I'm helping him along so that he doesn't waste his time making case on townies that I'm going to have to shoot down.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:04 pm

populartajo wrote:No, I wanted another point of view. I dont have much experience with cults.
1. Members of the cult come up as cultists when dead?
2. The existence of a cult is farfetched?
3. Cult leader dead means cult loses, right? What if Xyl is protecting the real cult leader?

*slap*

Stop being ridiculous.

Now where are those cases on Yos and Kmd? Please include a short list of Yos and Kmd likely scumpals.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:06 pm

populartajo wrote:Okay. If the cult possibility is unlikely as more than one has said then I think the choice is pretty clear here.

Vote: KMD.

UNacceptable. You must compare Yosarian with Kmd, and explain your choice. I want you to name their buddies. Go on, I'm waiting.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:17 pm

scotmany12 wrote:You didn't answer her questions. Why are you voting for stark? Do you think yos is scum? And if so, why? Saying because he was on the qwints wagon is not an adequate reason.

I'm voting stark for lurking, followed by completely fake and snarky bloated contribution after we run up a wagon on him.

I repeat, pop brought up the excellent point of examining the qwints wagon. Kmd and Yos are two players on the wagon that I don't consider VERY STRONGLY townies.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:19 pm

populartajo wrote:I dont have the time to hunt for quotes. Yos is being pretty decent with his reasoning lately. KMD is just crazy going against Xyl and was a heavy supporter of the qwints wagon. Im basing my current decision in these facts.
Why dont you help me a little bit?

I don't need quotes. Just read and boil it down. I think Yos is pretty sketchy, especially today - but then, so is Kmd. Plus, I want to attack the hunt from a totally different angle, I'm busy with something else ATM.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:24 pm

Non-town players that Caboose attacked:

farside
KMD
stark
Jebus

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:25 pm

populartajo wrote:I was saying to DGB that I dont have the time
right now
so she doesnt wait until I have time.

No rush, better to do a good job than a rush job.

populartajo wrote:The question is why are
you
not looking at people who were in the qwints wagon? Qwints wagon is a perfect example of scum going against an easy target and I'm pretty sure that there is at least one scum there.

Trust me, I will take a look too. Like you, no time tonight.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:09 pm

Excellent idea! Scot, your contribution often consist of arguing with people you think are wrong. Pop's suggestion that you analyze couple of wagons is a very good one.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:28 pm

TSQ/Rogueben has done a good job not voting and leaving no traces.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:31 pm

populartajo wrote:This is exactly what I would have crafted if I had a little time.
Just a little difference, I dont think sam is scum.
More KMD votes please.

Then this should be your next step:

zwet -- Thestatusquo, Yosarian2, scotmany12,

sam.samhorn

, Kmd4390
cow -- scotmany12,

sam.samhorn

, farside22,

populartajo

,

Tarhalindur

wolf --

populartajo

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22,

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:28 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:Sharing views is different from buddying up.

What are the distinguishing signs?

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:35 pm

The first example sounds like roflcopter and me. Your scum detection method is rubbish.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:13 pm

populartajo wrote:In other news, why the hell hasnt stark claimed yet?

You can paraphrase a townie PM in minutes, but a successful fake claim can take hours, if not days.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:14 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:Yes, I think Yos is scum. But I think the point he makes is logical and correct anyway.

I'm looking for your case against Yos. Where is it?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:02 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah, pretty happy with my vote on KMD right now. His attack againt me and pop seems really OMGUS.

Yos, you're really weird in this game. Why are you ignoring the stark wagon? Yesterday, you didn't seem to have scruples wagoning townies. Do you know stark's alignment, and you don't want his lynch to be another blemish on your record?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:02 am

stark wrote:I am Brian Boru. I have a passive ability that prevents me from being made to look like an outlaw.

Sounds godfatherrific to me!

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:04 am

Yosarian2 wrote:The big difference being that the posts stark has made give me a good vibe, and the both stark wagon we had yesterday and the one we have today both seemed based on horrible reasoning.

Please explain in excruciating detail exactly what it was in stark's posts that gave you such a warm feeling.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:08 am

Kmd4390 wrote:I am Brian Boru. I have a passive ability that prevents me from being made to look like an outlaw.

This makes me think that there's a role out there, sort of a miller-maker.

Sounds like a fakeclaim for "investigation immune".[/quote]Actually, why would a godfather claim investigation-immunity?

And why didn't stark claim this earlier, if it's true? That's something that should be claimed, un-pressured, on Day 1. AND he was pressured heavily yesterday, and he still didn't claim. If there's a 'miller-maker' out there causing investigation to be doubtful, he should have told us ASAP.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:48 am

stark wrote:Because it's implied, and not definite.

And why did you fail to make this important bit of information definite?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:13 am

scotmany12 wrote:Your first post in a while is putting stark at l-1 because his claim is the worst scum claim ever? Why is it the worst claim ever?

I know you like to offer contrary opinions on a regular basis, but are you arguing with farside because you think stark's is a

good

scum claim?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:15 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Now this could honestly go either way, but I imagine scum would have gone after Zwet here. You did that. (as did I and as did some town aligned players). Not a real complete scumtell, but
there is a good chance scum went after Zwet.

Does that mean you see my case against Rogueben/TSQ?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:17 am

@ Kmd

Let me try a direct route.

One of you and Yos is scum. Which is it, and why? Could it be both?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:20 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Remind me on the case.

Zwet made himself a really easy target for scum. But I'd seen zwet pull these stunts before, and I argued, along with PopTartajo who has seen the same antics, that it did not mean that zwet was scum. TSQ had none of it. He kept coming up with crap reason after crap reason why we had to lynch zwet. And I thought he was scum for it. And when I pressured him, he quit the game like a big baby.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:22 am

scotmany12 wrote:I'm starting to believe that you just like being confrontational with me.

Aye that's true, I thought you'd approve since you do it yourself all the time!

Maybe farside is stark's buddy and she knows it's a bad claim. Who are we to argue?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:22 am

Kmd4390 wrote:It's Yos because I'm town. No it can't be both.

OK then, let's see your case against Yos.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:26 am

scotmany12 wrote:You do know that this is shea, and him quitting the game really means nothing.

His fame hasn't reached my corner of of Canada. Why does it mean nothing?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:31 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Meh. I played with him a lot of times in person at starkadium, and everything in this game that you hate about him (being quiet a lot of the time, using long stories and extended metaphores to explain himself, the joking tone, ect) are really pretty standard parts of his playstyle. Meh. He's generally not easy to read, and I realize how bad I'll come out looking here if I turn out to have been wrong about him, but I just don't see any good reason to think he's scum.

Comments on the claim, please?

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:05 am

Xylthixlm wrote:Anyone know how to analyze a scum-provided scumlist?

Me! Me! Me!

Each category contains one scum.

Basically confirmed
Cow
Xyl

Kmd

Town Read:
DGB

Rogue

Slightly Scummy to Nuetral (scummiest on bottom):
sam
Tar
farside

Stark

Scot
Kore

Scummiest:

Yosarian2

camn
populartajo

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:10 am

Also, the category most guaranteed to contain a scum is the one labeled "scummiest" - there is no way that one of these players isn't scum. And note that he put Yos, who everybody thinks is townie/unreadable/useful, as SCUMMIEST. Does that reek of distancing or what? I get strong town vibes off camn and poptartjo. That means Yos is almost certainly scum.

Scummiest:

Yos

, camn, and poptartjo.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:15 am

This is a big list. Note that he put "scummiest on bottom" - so I'm pretty darn sure that he didn't put his buddies EXACTLY at the bottom, but pretty darn close. This gives Kore some major town points. And that puts Scotmany in a bad, bad position. Stark, slightly less, but still bad. Tar is town.

Slightly Scummy to Nuetral (scummiest on bottom):

sam

Tar - prob town

farside

Stark

Scot

Kore - prob town

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:17 am

Korejora wrote:Of course, I expect people will read it to pretty much mean what they already thought..

Nope. You have to look at this with fresh eye. Scum likes to DISTRIBUTE their buddies in a list. It's a great opportunity to cover your buddies' KEISTER with some INCONSEQUENTIAL DISTANCING. Trust me. That's what you look for.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:20 am

Here I agree with Kore. These are the players he can't possibly dream of throwing suspicion on, but I bet, in addition to sneaking himself in, he sneaked another buddy:

Basically confirmed
Cow
Xyl

Kmd

Town Read:
DGB

Rogue

And that buddy CANNOT be anyone other than Rogueben - by process of elimination.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:27 am

From his list, we now KNOW that Rogueben and Yosarian are confirmed scum.

Shall we spare stark? His claim of investigation immunity can be tested by way of an investigation.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:30 am

Yosarian2 wrote:The two people he'd been
attacking
bus'ing were me and pop. Because we were trying to
lynch
bus him; just pure OMGUS attacks, like I had been saying all day. It's a classic scum tactic, DGB; if a scum is being attacked and can't really defend himself, he will instead
try and throw mud
bus the people attacking him, to counterattack them, in order to muddy the issue and try and make the town
doubt the people attacking him
give town cred to all players involved in the bus accident.

Fixed.

Yosarian2 wrote:Of course, you're so bus obsessed, you probably think that the fact that I just caught a scum is somehow a point againt me.

YES.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:31 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:From his list, we now KNOW that Rogueben and Yosarian are confirmed scum.
That is probably the least logical thing you have said all game, DGB. Congradulations.

Your disbelief that Kmd's list has given away TWO team members is palpable.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:33 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:YES.
So; i vote a townie, it's a point against me. I vote a scum, it's a point against me. I guess your theory is that pro-town people don't vote?

Nope. It's your placement on Kmd's list. Your voting record is not relevant. The scumlist distribution theory is cold, merciless, blind science.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:33 am

Yosarian2 wrote:My disbelief that you actually believe any of the stuff you're saying is pretty "palpable". Especally since, like 2 pages ago, you were insisting (again with bad logic) that "one out of the two of Yos and KMD is scum".

And I also said, MAYBE BOTH.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:37 am

Yosarian2 wrote:I mean, you do realize that your 'there is one scum in each catagory" theory just makes no sense at all, since that would imply a mafia group of 7 people in a game with 18 people and multiple nightkills a night, right?

Where do you count seven categories??? There are 4. FOUR categories.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:39 am

hasdgfas wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:From his list, we now KNOW that Rogueben and Yosarian are confirmed scum.
I have no idea how you get either of them as confirmed scum, even while looking at kmd's scumlist.

I have put my explanations out there. Read'em.

hasdgfas wrote:
DGB wrote:Shall we spare stark? His claim of investigation immunity can be tested by way of an investigation.
Investigation immunity? Did I miss something? I thought it was investigation from miller-making, or whatever the heck that was.

Yes, framer-immunity I guess.

unvote

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:41 am

Yosarian2 wrote:...just keep insiting that you're right anyway, even right after it was just proved that you weren't?

'Cuz I'm right and you're trying to make it look like I've been proven wrong, but I haven't. You can't even count the categories properly, you're so nervous. I really hit a nerve.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:41 am

populartajo wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:Of course, you're so bus obsessed, you probably think that the fact that I just caught a scum is somehow a point againt me.
YES.

What? You think Im scum?[/quote]Nope. Not you. Only Yos.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:42 am

EBWOP quote tag mishap:

populartajo wrote:What? You think Im scum?

Nope. Not you. Only Yos.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:44 am

Xylthixlm wrote:I'm pretty sure DGB has no ability to read Yos whatsoever.

I agree, I can't read him. But Kmd has handed Yos on a silver platter.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:45 am

vote: Rogueben

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:56 am

Oh yes. I love these. This is premature, but hey.

Rogueben wrote:OK I'm going to resummarize my thoughts here, including latest developments.

Close to confirmed town

DGB
Xyl
hasdgfas

Townish

Yos2

camn - actually town
Tarhalindur - actually town

Neutral

Scotmany12

Poptartajo - actually town

Kmd4390

Scummyish
- I GUARANTEE there is a scum in this list.
Korejora - actually town
Stark - prob town

sam.samhorn
farside22

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:57 am

Xylthixlm wrote:Please note that there's no way Rogueben can be scum and have DGB's one-scum-in-each-category theory work out.

"Scum in each category" is approximate. It's quite likely that one category has 0, another one 2, and the remaining two, one each.

The most likely category to contain a scumbag is the one labeled "scummiest"

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:13 am

==================

KMD Basically confirmed

hasdgfas -TOWN
Xyl-TOWN

Kmd

ROGUE Close to confirmed town

DGB-TOWN
Xyl-TOWN
hasdgfas-TOWN
==================

KMD Town Read:

DGB -TOWN

Rogue

ROGUE Townish

Yos2

camn -TOWN
Tarhalindur -TOWN
==================

KMD Slightly Scummy to Neutral (scummiest on bottom):

sam

Tar -TOWN

farside

Stark -TOWN

Scot

Kore -TOWN

ROGUE Neutral

Scotmany12

Poptartajo -TOWN

Kmd4390

==================

KMD Scummiest:

Yosarian2

camn -TOWN
populartajo -TOWN

ROGUE Scummyish

Korejora -TOWN
Stark -TOWN

sam.samhorn

farside22

Putting both lists together still gives me Yos as scum.

I'm less sure about scot, sam and farside. Farside was probably bus'ed by TSQ early on. Kmd's reactions to the farside/TSQ interactions are interesting to say the least.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:35 pm

farside22 wrote:This makes me lol.

Hehe, nervous lowercase LOL, looks like I caught another live one.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:44 pm

populartajo wrote:I have this crazy feeling that scot is 3rd party. AMIRITE AMIRITE?

Hush now. No speculation on who that awesome bow and arrow player is.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:45 pm

scotmany12 wrote:DGB is making absolutely no sense right now. Not like I should be surprised or anything.

That tells you two things. One, everything is normal in the world today, and two, isn't sweet how I wouldn't want to disappoint you?

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:50 pm

farside22 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
farside22 wrote:This makes me lol.
Hehe, nervous lowercase LOL, looks like I caught another live one.
God the stuff you come up with is priceless.

Why thank you.

OK, I narrowed down the list, help us nail the remaining scum. As for Yos; he'll never give himself away. You have to look at how known scum interacts with him.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:48 pm

sam.samhorn wrote:Also, DrippingGoofball, you're an idiot. You can't analyze scumlists. You can only come up with 100 different conspiracy theories as to where he put the scum. You could rationalize that he put 2 in one section and 2 in another. It's just a bunch of amateur jackass psychobabble.

Be honest with me. Are you scum? Follow up question: how many of you scumbags did I catch with my amateur jackass psychobabble?

Also, can you provide us with a scumlist, divided in 4 different categories of scumminess? I'd be delighted if you obliged.

sam.samhorn wrote:Can we lynch camn yet?

No. Not even close.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:04 am

sam.samhorn wrote:Wow, you've caught 14 of the 18 players (17 if you're not counting yourself) as scum.

Yeah; I like to poke players a lot to see how they flinch. In case you haven't noticed, I've brutally narrowed down the field as the game progresses.

Also, can you provide us with a scumlist, divided in 4 different categories of scumminess? I'd be delighted if you obliged.

You denial of my reasonable request is noted.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:11 am

I have a feeling that the scum can daytalk.

I'm bringing this up because when the scum daytalks, it opens the door to scumtells that indicate coordinated actions. We should keep an eye out for these signs.

I think it's possible here because of the two scum lists with the similar number of categories, and similar distribution of the number of players per category.

And look at how samhorn, Yosarian and Rogueben; all three seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet, with all the wrong notes in it. There's a common sense of urgency in their goal to erode at my credibility, as well as a commonality of arguments.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:15 am

Rogueben wrote:I've got to say though, this scum list analysis from dgb has got to be the biggest fabricated bs reasoning. Come on people, one person in each category for kmd but something different for someone else.
I find this incredibly unlikely but I agree with sam. The fact that dgb has seriously accused over 80 percent of the game of being scum really doesn't speak well for her scum hunting abilities in this game.

If you're VLA until tuesday, you CLAIM, scum, you don't just pop in to take pot shots at my efforts and vanish for a few days.

Paraphrasing a town PM takes minutes, but a good fake claim can take days.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:22 am

Korejora wrote:I'm still not really seeing the "put scumbuddies under scummiest" thing. Not that I'm saying I think it's wrong, I just don't quite understand it. Wouldn't that be putting a little too much attention on them?

I undertand what you're saying. But here's the explanation. I've been scum in a LOT of games. I mean, a real lot. I've watched buddies make these lists too often to count. They want to distance from one buddy, make another one look good, and they want to mix it up. Put all this together, and they tend to distribute their buddies evenly. But at the same time they stick their buddy in the 'scummiest' category, they're also unlikely to put the buddy the more attention-getting spot of 'dead last scummiest player.' They

tend

to avoid putting their buddies in the top or bottom spots.

These aren't hard and fast rules, but they are very strong natural tendencies - that's just how the brain works.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:26 am

New updated scumlist:

Rogueben
Yosarian
samhorn

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:23 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Again, this is really silly. Scum don't go "Yup, he's right, I agree with X" with EACH OTHER, that would be dumb.

Seven-layered WIFOM sandwich, yum.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:55 am

Tarhalindur wrote:Likely Kmd scumbuddies: Korejora, Yos2, camn, Rogueben in that order

Hey I just noticed, my list overlaps yours!

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:25 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
camn wrote:God I am thrilled that KMD flipped scum!
Anyone else find it a little wierd she says this now, several posts after KMD died?

Much weirder are the explanations for old stuff everyone had forgotten about.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:28 am

Tarhalindur wrote:This is doubly relevant here, considering that I am under the impression that Kmd WAS playing to subvert meta expectation.

Hey Tar - go back and check how Kmd kept saying how there must have been a lot of scum pushing the zwet wagon.

Then check the zwet wagon, and see who's on it, and compare to your suspect list.

Tell me what you think.

Yes, I'm willing to switch to Yos.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:36 am

I'm calling scum on Yos because his buddies gave him away in their lists, first and foremost.

Secondarily, his pushing of day 1 townwagons, his un-necessary apology the next day, and interactions with Kmd.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:43 am

Xyl, bare your soul.

What do you think of stark's claim?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:45 am

Yos. I know it's weighing heavily on your conscience. The truth will set you free. What do you think of stark's claim? Just say it. You'll feel so much better.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:03 am

Do you believe it to be true?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:21 am

How would you rate its usefulness as a fake claim, for the mafia?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:41 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:How would you rate its usefulness as a fake claim, for the mafia?
Meh. It would be a safe claim to make, since it can't really be disproven. On the other hand, it's not an especally strong one, so it wouldn't really be likely to stop a wagon. Probably slightly more useful then a vanillia townie claim.

What about the hint of the existence of a mafia framer. Does that contribute to shedding doubt on investigations? Is that good for the scum?

Don't tell me the thought hasn't occurred to you, big time.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:22 pm

What's more likely? A mafia framer, or a mafia-framer immune player?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:26 pm

Kmd was really working hard to re-direct the wagon momentum from stark to qwints yesterday. Do take my word for it; go check for yourselves.

And I'm surprised stark hasn't breadcrumbed something about investigations being a little less than trustworthy in the game.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:30 pm

There's one scum in this lot:

crywolf20084: 9 (populartajo,

Caboose

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn,

DrippingGoofball

,

qwints

)

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:33 pm

Kmd was very insistent that the zwet wagon was scum driven. You know what? I believe him.

zwetschenwasser: 7 (

hasdgfas

, Thestatusquo,

qwints

, Yosarian2, scotmany12, sam.samhorn,

Kmd4390

)

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:54 am

stark wrote:That's really stupid. You're outguessing the mod on a whole different level.

Name-Godfather? Really?

Xyl didn't say it was likely, just listed it as a hypothesis.

@Yos - how hard was Kmd trying to squash the stark wagon in order to whip up the competing qwints wagon, on a scale of 1 to 10? Please show your calculations.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:42 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Looking back at his posts, I do see what you mean, he was making the case qwints was a better lynch then stark for a while; but, meh, Kmd's behavior also makes sense if both qwints and stark are town. (shrug)

Does it really make sense? I mean, if both qwints and stark are town, why should Kmd give a rat's tutu which one gets lynched, and push one harder than the other?

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:42 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:Looking back at his posts, I do see what you mean, he was making the case qwints was a better lynch then stark for a while; but, meh, Kmd's behavior also makes sense if both qwints and stark are town. (shrug)
Does it really make sense? I mean, if both qwints and stark are town, why should Kmd give a rat's tutu which one gets lynched, and push one harder than the other?

More specifically, try to extinguish one wagon and whip the other vigorously.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:45 am

populartajo wrote:WE NEED MOAR INFORMATIONNNNN! aka Rogueben lynch/claim.
There is something interesting, though. Stark wagon has totally lost its power very quick.

That's because he claimed. Stark has been very stingy with his suspicions, in a scummy way. His claim is pretty weak sauce. Rogueben would make a great Kmd buddy.

I expect both will die before sunrise. So either is a fine lynch.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:47 am

OhGodMyLife wrote:
Vote Count:
8 to lynch

Rogueben: 5 (Korejora, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, populartajo, farside22)
stark: 1 (Rogueben)
camn: 1 (sam.samhorn)
Yosarian2: 1 (Tarhalindur)

Not Voting: 5 (hasdgfas, stark, populartajo, scotmany12, camn)

Mod: Xyl's vote should count for two votes.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:17 am

stark wrote:I am the only 100% confirmable town.

You serious?

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:12 pm

stark wrote:What I'm saying is that until the existance of a framer is proved/disproved, all alignment investigations are potentially tainted, with the exception of mine. That's why I'm expecting to die.

That sounds like fake concern. Why would you expect to die instead of townie role that's actually useful to the town, or even a townie with a good read on who the scum is?

It's not like you've been scum hunting at all. You're no threat to the scum in any way, shape or form, especially since we pretty much all find you suspicious to some degree, except for Kmd, who found townies much more sketchy.

Your expectation of dying is fake all the way, and your worry about dying is even more fake.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:23 pm

stark wrote:Therefore, to lynch me now would be a waste.

Famous last words.

It comes down to who should die

first

, stark or Rogueben.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:31 pm

scotmany12 wrote:Didn't you just call stark town a few pages ago DGB?

After more thought, I've reconsidered my position.

Why, you have a problem with that?

You haven't even bothered to vote.

What is your opinion? Who would you like to lynch?

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:38 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:Guys. The plan is, we're lynching Rogueben and vigging stark. Get with the program!

Why is one of your votes on stark?

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:05 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Guys. The plan is, we're lynching Rogueben and vigging stark. Get with the program!
Why is one of your votes on stark?
I like hammering.

Two more votes, and you can have your treat.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:35 pm

stark wrote:When night comes around, I'll investigate, but I think you've secured yourself a good position.

Are you officially changing your claim?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:07 am

scotmany12 wrote:You constantly changing your opinion makes you less reliable and I have a problem taking anything you say serious.

So someone who rarely changes their mind as new information show up, and in the course of thinking things true, can be dismissed as a crackpot? Sounds like a scumvenient strategy.

scotmany12 wrote:As for who I think is scum, my top three suspects were kmd, tajo, and farside. I don't think tajo was bussing kmd, so right now that leaves farside as the person I suspect most. I haven't voted yet because I want to go and make a case against her, which I haven't really had time to do lately. However, stark has jumped up on my list due to him changing his claim. Unless I'm mistaken, he just said he could investigate at night, which he conveniently left out of his original claim.

I totally will hold you up to that case on farside.

Make it today please.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:38 am

His attempts to discredit me feel orchestrated, in the sense that he's part of collective working much like a string quartet.

I have to reckon that I'm beginning to adopt the view that camn may be bus'sed by both bass and cello.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:44 am

Aside for sam.samhorn, are there any other players bu'sing camn?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:33 am

Korejora wrote:@DGB, by 'bussed', do you mean it in the classic sense of scum vs scum? I think it's a little odd for scum to try and go after camn (if she's town), as she's not exactly an easy target right now.

You just described the perfect bus'ing weather. There's no better time to go after a buddy when there is no chance of it leading to a lynch.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:45 am

Korejora wrote:
stark. And you could argue Tar, too, but not near as hard.

Also, samhorn has been bus'ing camn. That's two players out of three that I believe are scum, going after camn when there is nothing at all suspicious about her, and there is no chance of camn being lynched. Do I ever smell distancing.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:59 am

camn wrote:And DGB.. stop distancing from me! Lets just check on stark and sam's alignment first.. and slander my good name second, OK?

I thought you craved attention!

How is my paying attention? Call 1-800-PAY-ATTN

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:38 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Korejora wrote:
stark. And you could argue Tar, too, but not near as hard.
Also, samhorn has been bus'ing camn. That's two players out of three that I believe are scum, going after camn when there is nothing at all suspicious about her, and there is no chance of camn being lynched. Do I ever smell distancing.

WOW. Add Yosarian to the list.

stark
samhorn
Tar
Yosarian

I believe three of these players to be scum. That's almost too good to be true.

There appears to be a very strong and intriguing correlation between bus'ing camn, and making

ad hom

attacks on me and some may politely refer to as my 'scumhunting.'.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:39 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah, it probably is hard to believe that I've caught two scum in one day.

Who is the first?

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:39 am

Oh yes, Kmd, never mind...

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:56 am

@ YOS, Xyl, and poptartajo

Your complete thoughts on the below, please.

camn wrote:God I am thrilled that KMD flipped scum!

Anyway.. I am sorry I have been a little out of it lately.
Finals + preparing for Mexico = spacey camn.

To that end.. As you know, I love attention, and I am ready for you people to bring your cases against me... but I am TOTALLY GOING ON VACATION SOON!

So sharpen your cases... get them ready, and bring them out when I get back.

That said, I don't leave until Monday night... so I have a little time.

Now.. Re: Mutual random voting, TAR....
The history of me and KMD is pretty well-trodden.
--He attacked me without mercy one game. He was wrong. I was right. (tranquility)
--The next game, I was scum.. I nightkilled him immediately. I hold a grudge. (night watch)
My first post that game?
camnscum wrote:um.....

Vote OBAMA
!!!

@KMD
Your Gambit is flawed.
But I suggest you try it again this game. I would like to see it.
HIS first post? (after mine)
KMD Town wrote:
Vote Camn

My Confirmation Gambit reveals that you are scum.
--This game, if I were scum, I would have nightkilled him again.. just for comedy! But I didn't. I am shocked he didn't nightkill me right away. It must be because of my charm.
--So you can see, there is certainly me/kmd early conflict meta... regardless of alignment.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:40 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:For reference, camn's scumbuddies in that game were GIEFF and BSG.

Read it... I must humbly admit to being stumped.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:59 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:stark knows he's going to die tonight, and he's afraid of saying anything that will link him to his scumbuddies.

That is becoming cleared by the minute.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:33 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:I already pointed out that the first line of that post was scummy.

As for the rest of it; meh. She kidded around with KMD early in the game. That would be a somewhat gutsy move if they're both scum, but I've seen scum do it, especally if it's a situation where that would also do it as town.

Do you recall how, early in the game, I called the KMD/camn interaction out as obvbus?

I'd forgotten about it, but it seemed to have made an impression on camn's mind.

As soon as Kmd flips scum, quickly, she brings up that old stuff again, almost as if she's reading the writing on the wall, and awkwardly tries to beat us to the punch. She's usually quite flippant and brazen, but in that post, she appears to have lost that sure footing of hers, and feels a little nervous.

Do you get vibes of that nature? If not, how do the vibes you get differ from mine? Please, no sitting on the fence answers.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:34 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:stark knows he's going to die tonight, and he's afraid of saying anything that will link him to his scumbuddies.

He often shows up when his name is brought up. Otherwise, he hides like a coward.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:36 pm

And I'd like to point out that I just spotted him on the list of viewers for this forum, and he has declined to bless us with a post.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:47 pm

I really dig the post above.

DrippingGoofball · Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:53 pm

One of camn and Yosarian is scum. Maybe I was wrong earlier, and the scum is camn.

Hey stark - your thoughts on TSQ/Rogueben, in light of Kmd's obituary?

What about kmd's interaction with YOU? Any insight?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:44 am

Very much looking forward to your TSQ/Rogueben and Kmd interactions.

What's a policy defense? And why would you bother with it if you're scum?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:55 am

farside22 wrote:I'm telling you I'm a betting women I see Camn over Yos as scum if I'm wrong I owe someone big.
When with Rogue be back?

Your thoughts on armlx's claim?

Also, any insight from you regarding Kmd's interactions with other players/

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:02 am

populartajo wrote:Hahaha, I think the goofball is in too many games.

True, that, but why do you say it?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:38 am

I meant stark. I keep confusing these two.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:07 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:Korejora

????????

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:08 am

Rogueben wrote:I am Suleiman the Magnificent, an unnightkillable townie.

Eighty percent of un-nightkillable townies claims are fake. If you're an un-nightkillable townie, you play super-townie, in order to draw the nightkill. So unless I see this claim during a mass-claim, from a player that has played very townie, and there's a missing nightkill somewhere, I say the claim is bollocks.

Rogueben wrote:DGB seems to currently think I'm scum, camn is scum and three people out of {stark, samhorn, Tar and Yos} are scum. If you add KMD to that there would be 6 scum in an 18 player game which seems almost impossible to me.

What's this rubbish lately with complaints that a player can't suspect more players than the likely number of scum player slots in a game? If ten players are playing sketchily in a 3-scum game, why can't I raise suspicion on all ten? But I guess that the coordinated line of attack that you and your band of daytalking scumbags have decided upon.

Rogueben wrote:I still think Korejora is the most likely to be scum out of anyone currently being mentioned as likely. So my vote goes to her.

Last minute distancing much? Zero case made, zero chance of Korejora being lynched...

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:
unvote stark, vote Rogueben

Ah, you got your hammer!

Just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the claim?

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:50 am

Hey poptartajo, you have an extra vote.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:54 am

Case against SAMHORN:

(1) Continues to rail against zwet after zwet's martyr claim.
(2) Accuses me of trolling during my defense of zwet, says that Day 1 is not informative, a statement echoed by TSQ daytalking scumpal.
(3) Defended against me by Kmd.
(4) Supported this TSQ plan: "Here's the plan. We vote until we reach ~2 from lynch. Then when 2 other people have also expressed willingness to vote that person, we all switch to force the claimed miller vig to use his power on the player we suggested. Then we lynch him. Additionally, we could also force him to use his power on himself."
(5) "'DGB is so incredibly frustrating and terrible of a player that I refuse to read his posts so I just skim over them "
(6) Mindless townie wagoning. "Especially when we have this hasgfas scumbag over here who's so obviously mafia I can't begin to explain to you. "
(7) Mega ad hom: "Thestatusquo needs to take the "sam.samhorn" approach to Drippinggoofball this game and ignore his posts, because they were really dumb and useless and were almost frustrating me.
(8) Kmd prodded him to push a camn wagon while townies were wagoning stark.
(9) "vote camn as per yesterday"
(10) "DGB has yet to provide any content this entire game that's original or scumhunting. It's all either bandwagoning or policy votes (of course, I didn't read a large majority of his posts, so I could be mistaken)"
(11) "Also, DrippingGoofball, you're an idiot. You can't analyze scumlists. You can only come up with 100 different conspiracy theories as to where he put the scum. You could rationalize that he put 2 in one section and 2 in another. It's just a bunch of amateur jackass psychobabble. "
(12) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 68#1546068 "Serious question DGB: How do you expect to be taken seriously if you accuse over 80% of the players in a given game of being mafia, and legitimately think so? " He daytalks with Rogueben: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 09#1546209
(13) Denied my request to provide his own scum list modelled after kmd's

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:57 am

Case against STARK:

(1) "The argument between DGB and TSQ is really silly. I have no opinion on that."
(2) Rolefished for the dayvig.
(3) Krap roleclaim. But if someone turns up 'mafia framer' we can let him live.
(4) Kmd wrote: "Because Qwints is a much better lynch. Stark only has a few minor points against him."
(5) Clearly, the scum weren't voting against stark, but they were voting for townies like mad.
(6) Kmd defended stark.
(7) samhorn defended stark.
(8) Yosarian defended stark.
(9) Asked for a modlkill of Xyl.
(10) See this PLEASE: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 58#1521858
(11) "The "case" against me is non-existant, and DGB is just being stupid."
(12) Went after camn like mad.
(13) No scum voting for stark: stark -- DrippingGoofball, populartajo, crywolf20084, Xylthixlm, Tarhalindur, camn
(14) Bus'ed by Rogueben: mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1535408#1535408
(15) Defended by Kmd: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 91#1547791
(16) Invites doc-protection: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 63#1548363
(17) His only case is against camn, who is town.
NOTE: Kmd did NOT believe stark's claim right off the bat. One point in stark's favor.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:58 am

farside22 wrote:
vote: camn

Come on you said between yos and camn. yos is dead camn or stark seem like the obvious choices.

It turns out, camn isn't scum.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:00 am

Case against FARSIDE:

(1) Heavily bus'ed by TSQ.
(2) What got under TSQ's skin, is that I insisted he was bus'ing farside. Check here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 04#1498004
He wrote: "What do you think of my attacks on hasdagfas and xyl? Am I busing them too?" I found her comment where she said "Wait, we haven't had a night" to be scummy because to me it sounded like the kind of comment that a scum player would make if there was a night and they didn't realize it. It was a good enough reason to get us out of the RVS by making a non random vote. Now when she gets back I will look at how she attacks the current situation to further my read on her. "
(3) More bus'ing from TSQ: "Farside: I'm not going to shy away from saying I find her scummy just because people are accusing me of busing. (see last post where I address that)
(4) "I get your comments on TSQ but why did you ignore tajo also attacking me?"
(5)"I completely understand TSQ's frustration as DGB is so narrow minded that she hammers people to death. Doesn't listen and then does petty things if people show she is wrong."
(6) More of Yos defense of farside: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 10#1503510
(7) Doesn't lurk so much when town, and more pro-active generally. Hascow noticed: "farside is way too quiet this game. I've never seen her this quiet. Feels off to me." ZERO analysis from her.
(8) Likely one of two scum on this wagon: cow -- scotmany12, sam.samhorn, qwints, farside22, populartajo, Caboose, Tarhalindur

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:02 am

Case against SCOTMANY:

(1) Continues to rail against zwet after zwet's martyr claim.
(2) Did not believe Caboose's statement about having rolebased info that zwet was telling the truth. Rolefished heavily.
(3) "As for him (TSQ) bussing Farside, should you not be going after farside first? If you are trying to make a case against TSQ that he is scum for bussing Farside, then you would have to know farside's alignment. If you were to lynch TSQ, and if he were to come up scum, then you can attack farside and say that you think TSQ was bussing her, but ti can't be used as an argument against TSQ. If I am missing anything with the case against TSQ please let me know. "
(4) Likely one of two scum on this wagon: cow -- scotmany12, sam.samhorn, qwints, farside22, populartajo, Caboose, Tarhalindur
(5) Attempts to distract from the stark wagon with this: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 88#1534088
(6) bus'ed by Rogueben: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 15#1540915
(7) "DGB is making absolutely no sense right now. Not like I should be surprised or anything. "

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:03 am

Case against KOREJORA:

(1) Meek ad hom after my pursuance of TSQ resulted in his temper tantrum: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 88#1502688 and later, "It's all fun and games until someone ragequits."
(2) Won't vote day 1.
(3) Defended by Kmd.
(4) Bus'ed by Rogueben: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 08#1535408
(5) DGB looks scummy to me because of her D1 work. The attack on TSQ seemed pulled out of nowhere, and ill-supported. Later work similarly was thin. only analysed townies.
(6) A goodbye bus by Rogueben in his claim post, out of the clear blue sky.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:03 am

populartajo wrote:DGB, you had these things prepared, since when?

I did a mega-reread yesterday.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:05 am

I also picked this up from TSQ:

"List of people who are getting off far too easily right now and will have to talk more today/tomorrow or face my wrath:

4. CounselWolf/Korejora

5. Simenon/Xyl (TOWN)
6. qwints (TOWN)

9. stark

14. Jebus/Tar (TOWN)

18. farside22

I'd bet that at least one of the players in red is scum.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:10 am

On the Rogueben wagon,

Korejora, Xylthixlm(TOWN), DrippingGoofball(TOWN), populartajo(TOWN), farside22, Tarhalindur(TOWN), Xylthixlm(TOWN)

Quite possibly, there is one scum.

Korejora or farside.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:11 am

populartajo wrote:I WANT BOTH KOREJORA AND FARSIDE TO CLAIM IN THEIR NEXT POST.

I support this motion, and add sam.samhorn to the list.

Failure to claim may result in them being fallen by stray arrows.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:13 am

I posted this in the game:

Kmd was very insistent that the zwet wagon was scum driven. You know what? I believe him.

zwetschenwasser: 7 (hasdgfas(TOWN), Thestatusquo(SCUM), qwints(TOWN), Yosarian2(TOWN), scotmany12, sam.samhorn, Kmd4390(SCUM))

One of these two may very well be scum:
scotmany12, sam.samhorn

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:14 am

These players voted against Rogueben. I'm pretty sure that one of them is scum. Luckily the list is short. One of farside and Kore is scum, from this list.

Korejora, Xylthixlm(TOWN), DrippingGoofball(TOWN), populartajo(TOWN), farside22, Tarhalindur(TOWN), Xylthixlm(TOWN)

One of Korejora and farside is scum.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:16 am

farside22 wrote:Why? Are you lynching me? Does your need for my claim mean that much in this game?

Yes it does, on account of TSQ's suspicious interactions with you. We want to be sure we're lynching the right player.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:32 am

Slicey wrote:Also, can someone tell me why pop is definitely town? His posts have been kinda town, but I want to know why he's "confirmed" town.

He hasn't typed a scummy word in the entire game, and is not connected to the evil that was Kmd and TSQ/Rogueben.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:45 am

Right.

And now we need claims from Kore and samhorn.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:50 am

Kmd was very focused on his mission to kill townies night AND day.

Camn is town.

Not much to say about a vanilla claim.

Have you read my case on samhorn?

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:50 am

Farside claimed vanilla, Tar.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:19 pm

farside22 wrote:I don't mind dying for a cause but might I inquire to Tar whether you and camn are confirmed town to each other?

Don't inquire about that, instead, ask that samhorn and Kore claim ASAP.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:20 pm

Meh, I think farside is town. That leaves samhorn and Kore.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:21 pm

populartajo wrote:Robin Hood, kill stark please.

Robin Hood is going to wait for sam and Kore to claim, I'm sure.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:22 pm

farside22 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
farside22 wrote:I don't mind dying for a cause but might I inquire to Tar whether you and camn are confirmed town to each other?
Don't inquire about that, instead, ask that samhorn and Kore claim ASAP.
I asked because of another game I was in where there was a mason pair with a kill, however one was scum and the other was town.
It's a valid question.

You know the masons were chosen by Xyl, who is a dead townie.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:34 pm

stark wrote:Explain why camn is town.

Silence, scum!

The only thing I want to hear from you is ACTIVE scumhunting, even if you have to fake it, not demands for the rest of us to explain why another player is town, which is obvfishing.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:36 pm

@ stark

Please produce analyses of samhorn, scotmany, korejora and farside OR PREPARE TO DIE.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:44 pm

I wish Xyl were here... the game is stalling without him.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:51 pm

Tarhalindur wrote:Also, now that I think about it: Scotmany12 needs to claim as well.

I second this motion.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:36 pm

stark wrote:Camn is scum.

No one is buying. Move on.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:48 pm

stark wrote:Explain why camn is town, and I'll find as many scum as you want.

Scum, do you want to die now?

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:49 pm

stark wrote:Explain why camn is town, and I'll find as many scum as you want.

You haven't scum hunted enough to deserve explanations. Earn it.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:02 pm

I'd like to point out that scotmany12 was reading the thread, and denied us a claim.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:38 am

Main headline: stark is rolefishing scum that refuses to fake hunt for buddies and should die.

In other news, scotmany is town.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:08 am

There's got to be a scumbag on has' wagon, regardless of has' alignment.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:30 am

Tarhalindur wrote:Now, the question is: how much were are scum avoiding wagons D1?

They did not avoid wagoning in the least, they were like circus clowns cramming in a Volkswagen on the zwet wagon. Kmd remarked that the zwet wagon was scum-driven. I believe he was setting up WIFOM so that we'd think the contrary if he flipped scum. I bet the zwet wagon had at least 3 scum on it.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:36 am

zwetschenwasser: 6 (hasdgfas,

Thestatusquo(SCUM)

,

Yosarian2(TOWN)

, scotmany12, sam.samhorn,

Kmd4390(SCUM)

)

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:01 am

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KMD Basically confirmed

hasdgfas/Slicey - Torquemada rolecop

Xyl-TOWN

Kmd

ROGUE Close to confirmed town

DGB-TOWN
Xyl-TOWN

hasdgfas/Slicey - Torquemada rolecop
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KMD Town Read:

DGB -TOWN

Rogue

ROGUE Townish

Yos2 -TOWN
camn -TOWN
Tarhalindur -TOWN

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KMD Slightly Scummy to Neutral (scummiest on bottom):

sam

Tar -TOWN

farside
Stark
Scot
Kore

ROGUE Neutral

Scotmany12

Poptartajo -TOWN

Kmd4390

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KMD Scummiest:

Yosarian2- TOWN

camn -TOWN

populartajo -TOWN

ROGUE Scummyish

Korejora
Stark
sam.samhorn
farside22

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:05 am

Why did hascow ask for replacement? He continues to be super-active in all his other games.

I STRONGLY SUSPECT SCUMBUDDY IN-FIGHTING.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:20 am

crywolf20084

: 9 (

populartajo

,

Caboose, Yosarian2

,

stark

,

Tarhalindur

,

farside22

,

camn, DrippingGoofball, qwints

)

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:21 am

hasdgfas: 7 (scotmany12, sam.samhorn,

qwints

, farside22,

populartajo, Caboose, Tarhalindur

)

Not enough known-alignment players on this wagon to be conclusive.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:23 am

stark

: 6 (

Caboose, Tarhalindur, DrippingGoofball, populartajo, camn, Xylthixlm

)
qwints: 4 (

Kmd4390

,

osarian2, crywolf20084

, hasdgfas)
hasdgfas: 4 (scotmany12, sam.samhorn,

qwints

, farside22)

Not Voting: 3 (stark, Korejora,

Rogueben

)

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:57 am

Vote Count:

9 to lynch

qwints

: 7 (

Kmd4390

,

Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball,

hasdgfas,

Xylthixlm

)
hasdgfas: 4 (scotmany12,

populartajo

, sam.samhorn,

qwints

)
stark: 2 (

Caboose, Tarhalindur

)

Not Voting: 4 (stark, Korejora,

Rogueben

, farside22

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:59 am

I think what is most striking is how stark wagons never have any scum on them.

In light of the dwindling likelihood that we have a cop, a mafia framer immune role seems increasingly absurd.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:36 am

Korejora wrote:
scotmany12 wrote:I am Saint Thomas Aquinas, philosopher and priest of the Roman Catholic Church. Simply a town vanilla.

No,
I
am
Spartacus
Aquinas!

... Seriously, though. That's my role.

You are counterclaiming Aquinas?

And when can we expect you to hunt scum and making cases so that we can evaluate your alignment?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:21 am

@scot

We still need samhorn's claim, and Kore's confirmation that she's counterclaiming Aquinas.

After that, all hell will break loose.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:28 am

Korejora wrote:
Yes, I am counterclaiming Aquinas.

Why would you risk lynching scot or myself today? Have Slicey check our names tonight, and lynch based on that.
If he lies, you have paid one townie for two scum.
If he tells the truth, you get to lynch a scum and keep a sure townie.
If the scum kill him to keep him quiet, one of their kills has been pulled away from your cool kids in-group and onto the not-so-confirmed group, making your grand plan a lot more airtight.

Hey wait a minute.

Is the mafia framer going to come in handy for this stunt?

MAYBE STARK IS TOWN.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:30 am

stark wrote:You're all honestly very wrong.

But if the validation of my townliness is what is required to divert the scum-hunting energies of the town elsewhere, I am more than happy to die.

@ stark
@ scotmany

Any thoughts on Kore's scum gambit? Is stark really immune to framers, or he is a framer?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:31 am

stark wrote:You're all honestly very wrong.

But if the validation of my townliness is what is required to divert the scum-hunting energies of the town elsewhere, I am more than happy to die.

Can you, like, hunt scum if you want to validate your townieness???

Novel concept: what if the scum-hunting energy came from you?

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:36 am

@ Robin Hood

DO NOT SHOOT STARK!!!

- Korejora is lying scum that much is clear. It's only a matter of kill order at this point.

I have some very clever thoughts, but first, samhorn must claim.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:37 am

Slicey wrote:I'm not an alignment cop DGB. >_>

I'm well aware. I think I put two and two together.

Mod Prod: sam.samhorn

He needs to claim in his next post.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:56 am

Nice work on the Setesh gambit.

Tar, there's another intriguing possibility.

But I'm not speaking until samhorn has claimed. I don't want to give him an 'out.'

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:07 pm

camn wrote:Look... I cant really do the math with this much Tequila on board... But i say kill both scot and Kore, right? Starting with scot.

Assuming sam doesnt claim Aquinas as well.

No No No

Wait up

We need samhorn's claim

Then I think we'll have the KEY to wrap it up and the town might even win the game today.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:09 pm

Slicey wrote:Still think we should lynch stark as he is most likely scum. I'll investigate scot, see if he's telling the truth. If he's not, we lynch him tomorrow, and we have another confirmed town in Kore. If he is telling the truth, then we lynch Kore and scot is confirmed town.

If you are a mafia rolecop, as I am beginning to believe, everything is going to fit together like the pieces of a puzzle.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:10 pm

sam.samhorn wrote:I haven't read this thread since day opened

Just to let everyone know, on Tuesday night my home was broken into and my computer was stolen. This is the first internet access I have had since then, and I'm paying for the internet. I have ordered a new laptop, and it should arrive mid-week to late-week. I will reread when I get back....

@ Robin Hood

Hold back your arrows until samhorn claims.

It's already pretty scummy that he hasn't claimed.

Paraphrasing a townie PM takes minutes, a great fakeclaim can take a lifetime.

DrippingGoofball · Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:14 pm

The scum may be Korejora and Slicey. Everything hinges on samhorn's claim. I'm on to something BIG.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:21 am

farside22 wrote:Did anyone here play shaft.ed Monty python game where there were 2 of the same characters and one was scum? I may haps think that is exactly what is going on here.

Between Scot and Kore I really dont know which without reading more into it.

Your post suggests that you may be a daytalking scumbag with stark and Korejora.

As usual, all will be explained after samhorn's claim.

DrippingGoofball · Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:27 am

I thirst for scummy blood. Samhorn's computer problems are no good when he shows up and denies us his claim.

Mod: can we replace samhorn?

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:12 am

stark and Kore are almost certainly scum. Kore has just reinforced my belief.

Only samhorn's claim will prove my theory.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:14 am

I meant, Slicey and Kore are scum, not stark and Kore.

DrippingGoofball · Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:22 am

populartajo wrote:I need to revaluate this as I really read Slicey as town.

Say nothing in thread until samhorn claims.

But put together the double Aquinas claim, the existence of a claimed rolecop, and stark's claim of framer-immune. Start thinking.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:47 am

Thank you for claiming.

STARK:
We don't have an alignment cop. Therefore, stark's claimed role, which is alignment-cop immune, is absurd.

KOREJOTA vs. SCOTMANY:
Korejora is meek and wimpy because she's lying. She didn't even vote scotmany. Scotmany, on the other hand, called her scum and voted her. I would put my money on Kore being scum, and scot being town. Also, Kore counterclaimed. She didn't claim first. She claimed second.

SLICEY:
Korejora wants Slicey to investigate HER. Possibly because Slicey and Kore are scum together, and Slicey will fake an Aquinas result on Kore, which they hope will make us lynch scotmany.

Thoughts?

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:31 am

Slicey wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Thank you for claiming.
SLICEY:
Korejora wants Slicey to investigate HER. Possibly because Slicey and Kore are scum together, and Slicey will fake an Aquinas result on Kore, which they hope will make us lynch scotmany.

Thoughts?
But I've already said I'm going to investigate scot cause I think he's more likely scum than Korejora. Seriously, don't lynch either of them today. We'll have one confirmed town and one confirmed scum.

More votes/vig for stark please.

I'm not at all certain that you're a town rolecop. I believe you may be a scum rolecop, for reasons previously explained.

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:42 am

And why can't Slicey be a SCUM namecop?

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:59 pm

Korejora wrote:
Yes, I am counterclaiming Aquinas.

Why would you risk lynching scot or myself today?
Have Slicey check our names tonight, and lynch based on that.

If he lies, you have paid one townie for two scum.
If he tells the truth, you get to lynch a scum and keep a sure townie.
If the scum kill him to keep him quiet, one of their kills has been pulled away from your cool kids in-group and onto the not-so-confirmed group, making your grand plan a lot more airtight.

Does this sound like a scum gambit or what?

DrippingGoofball · Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:55 pm

Rogueben wrote:I am Suleiman the Magnificent, an unnightkillable townie. The paraphrased flavour is that no one would want to kill me as that would bring the full force of the law down upon them.

Typical scum claim, un-NK'able townie.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:30 am

Tarhalindur wrote:Speaking of that, I've been mulling something over - why would Korejora counterclaim if she was Mafia and scotmany was town, when that would inevitably result in her death tomorrow? If there are two Mafia surviving (my running assumption given 18 players, two revealed strong scum roles, and some relatively weak town roles), they definitely can't afford to trade 1-for-1 with an unconfirmed if there are 5 confirmed town... they would need to unconfirm a town. I can see a few good possibilities:

1) There's one more Mafioso in the setup than I thought (I've been assuming 4 Mafia out of 18 players for a while, but there might be five), and Kore is trying to push through a mislynch for the win.
2) Korejora thinks that her scum partner is under so little suspicion that he'll get past the Masons and two days of LyLo easily (presumably Slicey or poptajo, who have been under little suspicion)
3) Korejora is gambiting in an attempt to survive EXACTLY long enough to try to force through the Mafia win (but how does this work with 2 scum when town has 5 kills and this dodges at most 3? This probably requires a gambit with 3 Mafia alive to make any sense.)
4) Given is wrong: scotmany is scum with Korejora and is trying to pull a Setesh Gambit to falseclear one Mafioso
5) Given is wrong: Korejora is town (either scotmany is scum or OGML threw a curveball)

Point against Korejora are fairly simple: she failed to vote scotmany (much less LOCK ON) when counterclaiming, and she was the counterclaimer.

Frankly, looking it over with logic, I'm wondering if the best play isn't to have Robin Hood nuke Scotmany, not Korejora (definitely not stark - I want to resolve the counterclaim NOW so we can plan around the results, though I concur with making sure Stark doesn't survive to D4). Despite her bad handling of the situation, her counterclaim makes very little sense if she's scum unless scotmany is also scum or the setup is borderline-imbalanced towards Mafia.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

You forgot to consider that Slicey may be a mafia namecop.

That may be why he got your name right.

After 'proving' himself, he's going to pretend that he investigated Kore and that's she's Aquinas.

Then he'll try to get away with it, saying that there may be two Aquinas.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:31 am

Tar, there is no reason in the universe for Robin Hood to nuke scotmany. Stop smoking crack ans check into rehab.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:08 am

Slicey wrote:Thank you. I don't understand why DGB doesn't understand this. >_> Kore is not scum, scot just made a terrible fakeclaim and got caught.

How do you "know?"

And with the multitude of characters in the middle ages, chances approach zero that scot would fakeclaim a character already in the game. For all intents and purposes. ZERO.

Why don't you tell us what other results you have?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:33 am

Slicey wrote:Also, I'm not only basing that on the claims, but the overall playing of the two.

Looking at overall play, I find it hard to distinguish one from the other on the scum scale.

Look at the claims carefully before you speak.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:41 am

Korejora wrote:
What part of "kill Slicey for leading you to mislynch" did you not understand?

Please rephrase, but make sense.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:07 am

Korejora wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Korejora wrote:
What part of "kill Slicey for leading you to mislynch" did you not understand?
Please rephrase, but make sense.
Read my so-called "gambit". Note that I said you should kill Slicey if his result leads you to mislynch myself or scotmany. This makes no sense if both Slicey and I are scum.

I think you should die today.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:10 am

THE THEORY

DrippingGoofball wrote:STARK:
We don't have an alignment cop. Therefore, stark's claimed role, which is alignment-cop immune, is absurd.

KOREJOTA vs. SCOTMANY:
Korejora is meek and wimpy because she's lying. She didn't even vote scotmany. Scotmany, on the other hand, called her scum and voted her. I would put my money on Kore being scum, and scot being town. Also, Kore counterclaimed. She didn't claim first. She claimed second.

SLICEY:
Korejora wants Slicey to investigate HER. Possibly because Slicey and Kore are scum together, and Slicey will fake an Aquinas result on Kore, which they hope will make us lynch scotmany.

Thoughts?

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:38 am

populartajo wrote:There is at least a scum between Kore and scot.
Why does Slicey have to target Kore?

It's not scot. Look at the timing of the claims, and their attitudes. Kore is the scum.

Now, Kore wants Slicey to confirm her name claim. Since her name claim is fake, Slicey-scum will confirm it. We would kill scot-town (according to the scumplan), and have Kore 'confirmed.'

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:43 am

Because Slicey would 'confirm' Kore. And we'd have to kill scot first. No way scot dies before Kore. No way.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:26 am

camn wrote:Off the cuff, I don't see Kore pulling a gambit like this... I say we lynch them both.

Her daytalking scumpals might have put her up to it.

DrippingGoofball · Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:27 pm

WHY KILL SCOT BEFORE KOREJORA???????

Korejora's claim followed scot's. If one of these players is pulling a gambit, it HAS to be Korejora.

I WANT FULL EXPLANATIONS FROM EVERY DUMMY THAT'S PROPOSING WE KILL SCOT FIRST. THANKS AHEAD. You know who you are.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:02 am

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Wrong

Tar isn't thinking things through

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:08 am

@Tar

Doesn't the Setesh gambit require them both to be scum?

=====================
WE ARE WITNESSING A GAMBIT
=====================

One of scot or Korejora is scum.

Chances that scot fakeclaimed a character in the game is ZERO times ZERO plus ZERO equals ZERO.

Scot claimed first.

Therefore, the only possible liar in this very simple equation is Korejora.

==============================
I STRONGLY OBJECT TO KILLING SCOT FIRST.
==============================

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:12 am

More to come this afternoon. Please take no action.

stark is back into lurking and contributing zero. He has a claim that requires the existence of a cop and there is no cop.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:37 am

Korejora wrote:
Yes, I am counterclaiming Aquinas.

Why would you risk lynching scot or myself today? Have Slicey check our names tonight, and lynch based on that.

If he lies, you have paid one townie for two scum.
If he tells the truth, you get to lynch a scum and keep a sure townie.
If the scum kill him to keep him quiet, one of their kills has been pulled away from your cool kids in-group and onto the not-so-confirmed group, making your grand plan a lot more airtight.

See the above? I think she KNOWS that Slicey will back up her fakeclaim.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:32 am

Tarhalindur wrote:I finally thought of a gambit that would make reasonable sense for scum Korejora to run if scotmany is town Aquinas. She could be trying to falseclear Slicey if Slicey is scum.

Consider the following possible plan:
1) Korejora, Mafia Goon, counterclaims a town vanilla, and proposes that the claimed role cop investigate either her or the false-counterclaimed player.
2) Slicey, Mafia Role Name Cop, claims the correct investigation result on one of these players. Korejora-scum is lynched.

The idea here would be that Slicey, by claiming a CORRECT result Day 4, "clears" himself and can hopefully skate into endgame (after all, Mafia is trying to hunt Masons and he's not a Mason...).

EXACTLY

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:33 am

Tarhalindur wrote:*facepalm*

Wait a minute.

Korejora could be daykill-immune Mafia trying to waste that third daykill (and get an extra opening to sneak a Mafioso into).

Camn, nuke Stark for us, will you?

We could kill Slicey. Looks like he's in on the gambit.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:18 am

camn wrote:I would LOVE to vig Stark.

Stark.. any last words?

Stark's role makes no sense without a cop. I wouldn't object to that.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:37 am

I'm surprised how difficult it is to convince you all of a Kore/Slicey gambit.

It seems so obvious to me.

DrippingGoofball · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:40 am

His buddies may be more inspired.