Boost Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Kise]

{Posting, so as not to be labeled a lurker}
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Oh, nevermind. He didn't even mention my name...

[Kise]

WOW< NEARLY A SIMULPOST!! AND HE DOES MENTION MY NAME!!

[Kise]

KMD, my PPD will be #1 next month. Bet that.

Also, I am going to commit harakiri if you guys end up boosting mafia, in OGML.

[Kise]

You're on!!!!!

Boost: semioldguy
Boost: pop

[Kise]

Vote: Mufasa

Cateration could be lynched for the same reason. M's posts are only not helpful if you don't bother to read through it and find the gems. Really, Mufasa, that was a crappy reason to vote for M.

Unboost: semioldguy
Boost: Sajin

[Kise]

Boost: Papa Zito

[Kise]

Emp... aren't you guilty of this same crime you're accusing me of? Way to avoid the discussion by going for an unpopular wagon; Basically trying to appear productive but not really involving yourself in the larger-important issues.

What do you think of your peers, cateration & mufasa, who also voted for Cons?
(Rephrase: What do you think of their posts/behavior***)

[Kise]

So if I understand this correctly.. zwet believes Zito is scum and claims PZ is nervous about the B-2's because he doesn't want townies to get boosted? I think I may be one of the few people who comprehend zwet's language.

I view millar more so as being lazy than being crazy. He's just as contributory in another game we're in (meaning

not at all

).

Would it be OMGUS of me to point my finger at Emp? Calls me a lurker when he's doing what he accuses me of; has no read on cat (kinda understandable); has no read on mufasa.... really!?! No read on this guy!? Emp,

puleeze

check his posts out in ISO and tell me what you think so far of what he's been saying.

[Kise]

I hate you, KMD.

[Kise]

Hate you more tho, M.

[Kise]

I'm working on it, hence the double post (yep, it was intentional).

[Kise]

Does that make her my boo?

M, what is this concern about me reacting poorly to being called a lurker? Are you speaking about my very 1st post in this thread?

[Kise]

Honey, I'll be home late. Don't wait up for me. I've got... meetings and such.

[Kise]

I read my posts in isolation.. don't see where I reacted 'poorly'. My 1st post was a simulpost with yours, M, and you had not listed me as a lurker at the time. So in a pre-emptive move, I posted to declare myself non-lurking, yet it ended up being posted at the same time that you did label me a lurker.

If the all-caps = reacting poorly... my bad. I was more excited than anything.

Just get back to me because it feels like I missed something. I won't lie, I do skim your post, but I decided to read your latest in it's entirety to see if it would take us anywhere.

[Kise]

Of course the Mufasa wagon's value is fading. Mufasa hasn't been posting lately and the attention is elsewhere.

[Kise]

@OGML - You trust MUFASA with the boost more than Zito? Did you not read the man's analysis's??

[Kise]

I'm not fond of Cons after his latest post, but when Mufasa voted for Cons last week, it was for a horrible reason. Mufasa does not come across as defo-town to me. OGML, just to prove to me & others that Mufasa's lynch would be a waste of our time, enlighten us as to how you can be so 'virtually sure' Mufasa is pro-town?

[Kise]

M called you a lurker. True or false?

[Kise]

Mastin town is very active, is agressive, impatient and scumhunts in a way he only can. Lenghty posts. So like here. I used the same logic to clear him in that game.

Mastin scum is very paranoid, tries to be active (posting unrelated game stuff) but fails to scumhunt. Relative short posting.

This is why I said I trusted him for the time being. But KMD pretty much did him in with that last counter-post.

[Kise]

Guess what?

I use Firefox, too, and Someone counted

over fifty tabs

in my session. The thing is, whenever I save and quit, when I return,

I am NOT logged back in

!

Explain THAT.

It's gotta be your computer then. I stay logged, regardless of saving/quitting with multiple tabs.

[Kise]

OMGUS is typically any time you retort back after being voted against, but it could also apply to you retorting a FoS or other accusations.

Get 'em.

[Kise]

Post 325 is OMGUS for OGML.

[Kise]

So people aren't voting for Mufasa simply because he's not talking any more?

[Kise]

Boost: Papa Zito
Boost: Sajin

V/LA for the next 6 days. I'll have access to a computer, but my posts will be brief since I want to spend most of my time with family.

[Kise]

Hell zwet, if you don't want it, I'll take the boost.

[Kise]

Yup.

[Kise]

Yes. Show us the receipt.

[Kise]

(sarcasm)

[Kise]

All he's gonna say is "This person is online but not posting, so they're a lurker"

[Kise]

Yes. Show us the receipt.

http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/semioldguy/IMAG0015.jpg

Wow, pie ain't cheap huh?

(I was joking about showing the receipt, BTW, but thanks. Lol)

[Kise]

Still on vacay' myself. Be back home in a few days to catch up.

[Kise]

I like the new avy.

[Kise]

What can I do to earn a boost?

[Kise]

No, just me.

If I voted for Cons, that's a wrap on the day, right?

<--- (Still exhibiting moronic behavior.)

[Kise]

Vote: ConsM

to influence a dumb hammer.

Unvote

In case you missed it Tajo, even if someone reaches the voting threshold, the day doesn't end until 3 people have been boosted.

[Kise]

<--- (Still exhibiting moronic behavior.)

QFT?

[Kise]

2 more people should at least boost Zito then. He deserves it based on his play about 10 pages ago, which was the last time I really had a chance to keep up with this game. That reminds me...

Extended V/LA, due to a 4th of July party that I got invited to. I'm not going to be back home until the 5th or 6th next week.

I think I missed the entire case on ConsM.. oh well. I could tell he was starting to overdo it when he made those ridonculously huge posts. Should have known he was losing his damn marbles whenever he somehow linked me to MissTake.

It'll probably be night phase by the next time I log on. It's funny how things went from voting Mufasa for his lousy reason voting Cons, to voting Cons for whatever.

[Kise]

Or, better yet, if someone makes the 10th vote w/o giving ConsM a chance to make his post, I say we make it a policy to either lynch them D2 or hope for their night kill.

(I'm sure that'll prevent someone from hammering. )

[Kise]

Hmm... guess I did unvote him.

Vote: Mufasa

Does it matter to you if Mufasa has a vote against him, when you intend to lynch ConsM?

@millar - Boost Zito. Unless you don't trust him, like I don't trust Tornado.

[Kise]

{My question is directed at KMD.}

[Kise]

Kise/Mufasa, are you being intentionally stupid? If so, why? (serious questions)

I like having a null read, if I'm honest. Keeps me in the middle. Too townie usually = getting nightkilled. Too scummy usually = getting lynched.

[Kise]

Actually, we're waiting for ConsM to post, and hopefully claim. NOT 2 more boosts.

[Kise]

See my last post. XD

Please unvote until we get 3 boosts, you agreed with that idea earlier in the day. I am finding you not unvoting here incredibly scummy. Feel free to hammer as soon as we have 3.

WTF... thought you also wanted to hear a claim from Cons[?]

[Kise]

So what makes Sir T trustworthy?

[Kise]

The fact we don't know what kind of abilities scum would have of they're boosted. Also, I don't see how Sir T deserves a boost.

[Kise]

@Kise/all-Most roles from boost mafia 1 were 1 shot standard PRs.

*waits for someone to foolishly counter this*

You fishing, Sajin?

[Kise]

So what makes Sir T trustworthy?

Answer that 1st. Let's boost someone else.. Zito first.

[Kise]

I'm lazy.. don't feel like bolding to unboost, so can people just boost Sajin? kthxbye

[Kise]

I have some vital information, but some of you guys make it hard for a softclaim... I really need to mention something important -- more specifically towards any investigative roles. Would it be alright for me to just tell what my non-1-shot role is, WITHOUT anyone jumping down my throat and saying I should never ever claim? This does not require anyone else to expose themselves, and this is not a form of rolefishing.

[Kise]

I kill anyone who targets me, so don't bother investigating me. I wouldn't advise any town roles to target me for anything.

@Zito - I don't know what happens if I get boosted. I've been thinking that I would be able survive a NK. Currently, I die if killed, but also kill my attacker.

[Kise]

Lol at kise.

"Oh, I don't know if I want to claim a power role, but I am one, I mean, I probably shouldn't claim"

Not exactly my idea of a power role..

[Kise]

Unboost Sajin
Boost Tajo

[Kise]

I've been semi-vocal yesterday, so I assumed I might have drawn enough attention towards myself for investigators to check me out. As a heads up, I don't want to unintentionally kill a useful role (or any pro-town role for that matter) that may have targeted me during N1.

Only type of role I can think of that can safely clear me is a Lie Detector. If there is one, ask the mod during the night if I am telling the truth about my paranoid, pro-town role.

@SirT - Out of curiousity, what would be your reason to vote for me?

When you bring something like that up, it makes you look like scum who is trying to figure a way to safely get rid of me. Do you think a paranoid role has ambiguous alignment?

[Kise]

I haven't had much time to commit to MS, plus the day phase is nearing it's end and I just want to make sure a cop doesn't get killed. Whether I had it in me to play uber townie, as you put it, was out of the question. I don't view myself as a weak PGO; not that I'm asking for it, but I still have a chance to get boosted. I am not 100% certain I could survive NKs if I got boosted. That was merely speculation on my part, in an attempt to correlate my role with the theme of the game.

There was no telling whether I would have been targeted, regardless of being boosted, so the best thing I could have done was give a warning. Imagine if, somehow, everyone had a night action and decided to target me.. We'd all drop like flies. I only planned to claim if I felt like I had too much attention on myself.

Moving along.

@KMD - I am no threat to the town unless a town player targets me. So don't target me, simple as that. I cannot send in a night action. Practically, I am still useful since I do have a thing called a vote, y'know... I was thinking maybe a souped-up cop can investigate me. It's nothing more than a thought, but there may be a good chance that a boosted investigator can bypass me killing him.

I'm also curious to hear why millar13 isn't boosting.

Cons, can you give us an update on that post?

[Kise]

{Off-Topic @ KMD}
I took V/LA last week, so... how about we extend that bet of ours until August 11th?

[Kise]

Kise, why would a boost help now that scum is unlikely to target you anyway?

Given the theme, the thought crossed my mind that I may be able to survive the mafia's NK as well as kill one of them if I am boosted. Zito is under the same impression & also touched on this when he said I am considerably a weak PGO.

I could care less about the boost, but Zito said something to the extent of it being too late for me to get boosted. It's good enough that I kill regardless, so I'm content with dying alongside my attacker/assassin. It's for the best that I give a heads up in case there are multiple deaths after the night is over with, so we can cut down on unnecessary speculation.

I can understand lynching someone if they are leaning toward scum, but it's not a good idea to lynch out of fear, or in order to prove someone was sincere about the role they claim.

@Sir T - A vanilla townie could end up with a power. They could become double-voter, for example. Doesn't matter what your initial role is. Boosting helps anybody.

[Kise]

It's for the best that I give a heads up in case there are multiple deaths after the night is over with, so we can cut down on unnecessary speculation.

Forgot to add --> I.E. if cop, roleblocker & mafia/assassin targeted me and we all die during the night, I want to make sure you guys don't speculate on 2 mafia factions, a vig, an SK, etc.

And thanks, Kev'. My PPD is going up alread.

[Kise]

^ Wha...?

@KMD - I'd rather have given warning to all town [power] roles, than to have them target me and die. Am I wrong for being considerate of the cop, among others? I doubt a doctor would have protected me, but I did feel that I would have become a cop or tracker's target based on my burst of activity/moronic behavior yesterday. Also, let's not use that line again, "You are a better player than that." I'm not at my own house at the moment, so my "scumhunting mood" is affected by how (un)comfortable I am over here (if that is what you meant by me being a better player).

Speaking of which, this wooden chair is flattening my ass.. I'm logging off. Time to watch Benjamin Button.

[Kise]

a boost could instakill a player or discontinue an already existing power of theirs?

Were you referring to me or Sir T? Sounds like this would be more appropriate if aimed at ST.

It's either Ben Button or Seven Pounds. I want to go with the movie that's more likely to contain a sex scene.

[Kise]

Yeah, the boost could have helped if you hadn't claimed. But you made yourself useless. You are a better player than that which is why I'm wondering if this is some kind of Gambit fakeclaim or something.

OOOOOHHHH!!!

THIS was aimed at Sir T, right?

(I swear, this is not an idiot-post restriction. It's all natural, babeh!)

[Kise]

I somewhat see a connection between Mufasa & KMD. No scummy play, but a mild scummy behavior by not voting Mufasa, whom you (KMD) said you would vote for down the line. Now is as good a time as ever to do so.

Tajo is just being modest by saying Sajin should be boosted, me thinks. It's cute.

Boost: Tajo

SOG, Sir T & at least 2 others: Can we get Tajo boosted before Mufasa is hammered? Like, soon?

[Kise]

@Kise - Shame on you, you make me regret making you a sammich and bringing you a beer.

Blame it on the Goose. Got me feeling loose. Blame it on Petron. Got me in the zone. Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a-al-co-hol.

Post 679 is interesting.

[Kise]

Can you please elaborate more on #'s 11, 12 & 13? They're pretty vague.

[Kise]

I need to ask real quick to those who commented on it:

How did my role become useless (in moderate detail, please)?

[Kise]

Boost: Battle Mage
Boost: Sajin

I'll use my 3rd boost for whoever is the next best wagon.

I'm not too sure on Mastin's lynch. It appears that everyone and their mama were on both wagons yesterday, so I have to question whether scum would have bussed him before transitioning over to Mufasa's wagon. Maybe I read it wrong, but I could have sworn that damn-near everyone voted for Mastin at some point. I'll do a re-read tonight.

[Kise]

I was told (on Day 1) that we should boost no matter what, and no matter who. I think a better idea would be for us to take turns boosting everyone, like, a game of hot potato.

Does anyone (from BM1) know the direct effects of boosting a player 2 days in a row?

[Kise]

@KMD, Poro & zwet -->

But I consider getting 3 boosts today more important than quick lynching without it and therefore have changed my boost vote. I think you are far too worried about boosting scum.

Any boost is better than no boost.

While yes, a boost on scum is worse than a boost on a town, its 1: A lesser chance
2: More likely that we can boost a town the next day, thus I advocate boosting 3 other people rather than the 1 of the same ones from today. (I would rather have multiple standard PRs avaliable, then a super XX PR that has a kill me now flag on him or is scum)

Disagree?

We need a general consensus as far as how/who to boost, por favor.

[Kise]

I'm boosting [mainly] to spread the wealth around. Sajin has made a lot of content posts, so he's very deserving. BM was the next highest boost-wagon, so went with him by default. As I said earlier, my 3rd boost-vote will go to the other highest wagon.

[Kise]

After reading how things went in BM1, I understand why SirT believed boosting him would do nothing. But, who knows. Things may be different here for VTs. Only way to find out is by boosting him.

Boost: Porochaz

[Kise]

Wow, millar... I think this is the most content you've posted in a game.. ever!

I can see that the Mastin wagon is being detracted. His constant need to ask me how his playstyle usually clears him as town (I think it was this thread, at least) was strange. Seemed like he was trying to get me to vouch for him, despite me also saying that I wasn't 100% if he was playing pro-town in this game. Biggest thing that caught my eye was in a few posts he that (about me in particular) where he throws out unproven accusations of me overreacting to being called a lurker.

I think we should come back to the other arguments tomorrow. More or less, the semi/cat/millar dilemma seems quasi-OMGUSy on millar's part.

Vote: Mastin

[Kise]

No. Lynch Mastin, then focus on the other dilemma if it's still present tomorrow. millar is obviously on the losing end of the stick w/ 3 votes against him. Not to mention it looks like he's only suspecting the people who have voted for him. Between cat & millar, they both had hands in detracting from the Mastin wagon.

Maybe millar is right about SOG & cat..

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 12#1758812
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 10#1759010
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 26#1759026

Helping his scumbuddy justify the D1 vote? Who knows. Let's get Mastin first..

[Kise]

Yup, tomorrow. Not so much ignoring millar... more so holding off.

But, do your own thing. Surely there must be 4 others who will join the cause.

[Kise]

I noticed. Both you & cat were voting for each other D1, as a matter of fact. Still, you just recently come to speculate semi as scum after he votes for you. So, naturally, something doesn't smell right about it.

But, anyway, I'm sitting on Mastin's wagon with my arm outreached. Where's my "wife" when I need her[?]

[Kise]

Correction...... neither of you voted for each other D1, but went back and forth.

I noticed you [millar] called Mastin scum. Despite feeling that cat is scum, has your viewpoint changed on Mastin being scum as well?

[Kise]

I thought you said 3-holed woman, for some reason.

BTW, millar, you should unvote cateraction first

[Kise]

FFS, millar. Unvote cateration, then vote Mastin.

[Kise]

[Kise]

The Mastin wagon is not based on eliminating his huge text (well, it is for cateraction, though). It seems like there is more than 1 reason others are voting for him. My reason is due to him misrepresenting a few of the players here and not being able to quote/prove what he's saying. We're still waiting to see a relevant reply from him after over a week. He should have made his return tonight. Hopefully tomorrow he'll update.

But I really do want an explanation as to why we're blowing past other suspects. In all honesty, I

shouldn't

be voting on Mastin out of principle, but I think he's scummy. I do think that millar13 is

scummier

, and ConsM is still scum. So, if this one flips townie I'm going to slaughter a few of them; and probably my husband too. :rara:

I'll probably be hiding at my mistress' house if that ever happens.

Oh yeah... do you feel that the wagon Mastin is some sort of policy lynch, or something similar? And where do the scum-vibes come from; what is it that Mastin did that made you believe he was maf'?

[Kise]

The reason that I said I shouldn't be voting for him out of principle was because (at the point of that post) there wasn't a monumental amount of evidence pointing at Mastin being scum, yet everyone was jumping on him like his dick was made of gold.

Anyone willing to do an analysis on Poro?

[Kise]

When you do my analysis, could you neglect commenting on the parts where I acted dumb on D1? kthxbaibai

V/LA starting tomorrow, up until sometime Monday.

[Kise]

The lower-half of Page 39 is so flirty... me thinks daythinking mafia.

Ether, will a simple objection suffice? There's nothing more I see that I need to say. Trying to outguess the mod will do you no good. Mafia will only kill me (and survive) via my lynch, so it doesn't look pro-town at all to want to "test" someone's role by having them voted off. If someone claimed Commuter, Nexus, or Bulletproof, would you believe them [as townies] or would you feel the need to prove they weren't lying by lynching them, Ether?

[Kise]

Vacation's over, by the way.

[Kise]

If you think I'm scum, why no vote?

[Kise]

When it all boils down, you're trying to outguess the mod. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do like that he's suggesting Kmd/OGML while voting Mastin.

There's more than 1 scummer in the mafia, y'know. And, so far, all of the mafia are still living. It's noteworthy that OGML is the only person you're boosting.. Do you plan to use your other 2 boosts before Mastin is lynched?

[Kise]

If you have a night action, target me at your own discretion, Ether. But no town-aligned power roles should listen to you because you're essentially trying to attract them [back] towards me. That was the sole purpose of my unprovoked-claim; to keep the PRs alive by making sure they avoid targeting me.

This may be an off-topic question, but what would you do (or how would you feel) if you did discover that Patricked used a PGO?

[Kise]

Also... I don't recall you ever explaining how you're 100% that the mod does not use PGOs. It's completely irrelevant [to me], but for the others, please tell why you have this certainty.

[Kise]

Either tunneling scum, or soon-to-be-disappointed townie. I really don't know how I can prove I'm PGO, unless a bunch of night-roles suddenly die out during the night due to targeting me.

@Poro - I responded poorly? Really!? I just had no need to fuel something I know is different than what Ether believes. Only way I'm dying w/o scum dying is if I'm either lynched or NK'd by a town-aligned killing role. So, anyone suggesting lynching me automatically makes me think they're scum looking for alternate ways to deal with me.

I'm sure there were other things aimed at me. Re-reading now.

[Kise]

Ether, it'd serve you well to list reasons behind the others you think are scum, and perhaps even those you say are "all right." Also I'm not sure if you explained your trust in OGML yet...[?]

[Kise]

Sajin - something that happened on page 3; also, OGML said so
Tajo - something that happened on page 2; also, OGML said so

Not good enough. Go fetch.

[quote="Ether"Kise - knows he's living on borrowed time since I outed him for lying. about. his. role. Has therefore started pushing bullshit like Kmd/Mastin and hoping something sticks.[/quote]
KMD/OGML***

[Kise]

It's not, considering the mafia is consisted of more than 1 person (Mastin). Also, I'd prefer if any & all jock-riding was done by the wifey.

Whether I or anyone else has a night action is none of your business.

I wasn't fishing, simply welcoming you to try something... Not liking how you intend to make it sound like I'm even referring to anyone other than you, when you should know I was saying if YOU and you only have a NA, then come pay me a visit. You sound ballsy enough to do it.

Porochaz, can you acknowledge that I nailed Kisescum yet?

Sounds to me more like Patrick nailed you.

Despite the fact that I'm currently boosting OGML, I'm wary of his behavior toward me after I turned on Kise.

Your way or the highway, I see. Hopefully you realize soon enough that your credibility/opinion drops every time you hit the Submit button.

This may be an off-topic question, but what would you do (or how would you feel) if you did discover that Patricked used a PGO?

You never did answer this. Consider it hypothetical, if you feel that way.

[Kise]

Mastin, you said elsewhere that you never lie about your role, although you will lie about alignment. So, what is all this fuss about getting the mod to approve your claim? Just give us the name of the role, not the description... unless it's an original idea the mod created.

[Kise]

If he thinks I'm town, which he appears to in spite of everything

........
O rly?

[Kise]

Either tunneling scum

, or soon-to-be-disappointed townie.

Only way I'm dying w/o scum dying is if I'm either lynched or NK'd by a town-aligned killing role. So,

anyone suggesting lynching me automatically makes me think they're scum

looking for alternate ways to deal with me.

[Kise]

Unvote, Vote: ConsonantM

Boost: Kmd

I noticed no one has commented on Mastin's claim...... Anyone care to?

I can admit that I don't view Mastin as

obv

scum, but he's far from behaving townie IMO; Thus, I do not see him receiving a boost.. thus, having a useless role.

The Mufasa wagon sucks.
Mufasa is town.

I noticed you've been preaching here and there how Mufasa is/was town, but you never explained what Mufasa did to appear townie in your eyes. So, what was it about him?

[Kise]

Sounds to me more like Patrick nailed you.

Looks like it.

Ether, this --->

We're supposed to accept this claim because you know him?

It's almost too easy for you to come in and say, "I know Patrick, and I know that he's scum because his claim

is

bullshit." when you could easily

be scum using your personal relationship with Patrick as cover

[Kise]

MissTake said it before I did [in my own words]. Big deal?

-My alignment should be pretty obvious at this point to anyone with half a meta.

If I may point it out, Mastin is guilty of saying this same line... He's not always town when he enforces his playstyle, however.

Exactly what is it that Patrick said in regards to his supposed distaste for PGOs? You have been vague when it comes to specifying the conversation you may have had with him.

[Kise]

And even better, how long ago was it that you & Patrick had this discussion about PGO-dislike?

[Kise]

Unvote

[Kise]

You're welcome, Poro.

[Kise]

Unboost: Battle Mage

....

[Kise]

Boost: MissTake

[Kise]

I haven't caught up for the past week, but skimming through, I see the same crap in a different toilet. Ether, I want to challenge this integrity of yours. If you're 95% certain that I'm lying, then I propose a bet. You're using a resource outside of the game by stating how well you know the mod, so I want to go outside the thread as well.

What I want is a hardcore bet. Nothing silly like an avatar bet. I want something more impacting than that. How about the loser is exiled from MS.net for a month, meaning they have to replace out of all current games until banishment is over? We make a thread in Mafia Discussion so that the entire MS community knows about it and that way everybody will know of it, so no lying or going against your word in this thread only.

Here it is: If I die before endgame and flip anything

other

than PGO, you win and I will withdraw from any ongoing games and not return for 30 days. Even better, if I'm a mafia-aligned PGO, then you win. If I am town-aligned, but not a PGO as I said, then you still win.

Don't care what your alignment is. This is about me. You can alter the bet if you want, but I just don't want to bet on something petty. At least make a bet on something worthwhile.

Also, read my sig. Ether, if you accept, then the bet is on.

[Kise]

I'm not frustrated with you. I want more productive discussion instead of this flawed meta of the mod's mindset.

[Kise]

My bet isn't bullshit. Ether is 95% sure, so she shouldn't have doubts that she'd lose.

I haven't caught up in the thread, but I don't want bad karma by replacing out. I'm being lazy, so I'll do a harakiri,

vote: Kise

That's L-1 BTW. Resolve boosts, then end the day phase with the hammer. I'm townie, and still PGO. I know, I know, it's selfish & very dumb of me (what's new?) to self-vote for a personal reason, but I can't be arsed to come online like I used to.

Battle Mage is scum!!!

Boost: Sajin
Boost: KMD
Boost: OhGodMyLife

Last two are proven non-scum after Mastin's flip.

[Kise]

Woohoo! I've been NK'd, lynched & even won a game during absense. Makes things easier on me.

There's a good chance that

semioldguy is scum

as well. Check him out.

@KMD - PM me my new avatar.

[Kise]

Him & BM were dodgy when it came to Mastin. Quick iso-scan on the 2 and I see barely any mention of each other, but SOG does throw little grains of dirt on quite a bit of the other players.

[Kise]

Unvote

Just got lynched in another game, so I've got time for this after all. For however long it last.

[Kise]

I. Did. Not. Lie. You call this scumhunting, seriously? Post 1224 is wonderful, BTW.

I was willing to modify the bet, but Patrick obviously thinks it's too severe. I'm surprised no one noticed what he said. But, bet wasn't bullshit in my eyes since I would not have lost. The point was to have a high stakes contest since I'm 100% sure I'm PGO and Ether is 95% sure I'm not. Figured that was enough motivation from both of us to go all out. But it's over with.

Tajo is scum too, don't forget.

I did look at some stuff overnight, and do feel better about Tajoscum

What do u think of poptaj?

I think either scum were boosted & earned a daykill, or, more typical, it was a Jack.

Surprisingly, zwet is right. If any of you were to list why you were voting for me, it'd probably be more retarded than the stakes of my bet.

@Sir T - Why?
@BM - Why?
@OGML - Why?
@KMD - O rry? Also, are you at all nervous about receiving 2 boosts knowing that it paints a bullseye on your back?

Sajin's connection to Mastin is undeniable. Lynch him.

I must've missed this. Do tell.
On a similar note, Sajin, I noticed there is barely any interaction or mention of Mastin from you during days 1 & 2. Why did you follow KMD and others by voting Mastin at the start of day 2 when you listed no prior suspicion of him, and then why did you suddenly unvote when he only had 4 votes w/ 9 to lynch? (Boosts could have still been resolved, so I personally saw no reason to abandon ship 1/3 of the way); and why didn't you hop back on the wagon rather than being alone with your OGML-vote?

If I come out and say directly who it is, it would defeat the purpose of this ability.

My role is only negated if I do not find out ever who got those 2 boosts. Thats why I need to know. The people not telling me are the ones negating my role. If I find out who got them then anyone with a extra boost should be scum.

A bit weird of a role, but considering everyone who has voted for you today were also early on the Mastin wagon, I doubt they're mafia. I think I know who MissTake would have given the boost to anyway.

[Kise]

Because I know about cat's motives already. Here:

Umm, if you recall, I was voting for Conso because he's annoying pain in the ass, not because I particularly thought either way about his alignment. Changing my vote to someone I think is scum is hardly scummy.

Without an actual reason, at this stage in the game it is

as scummy as hell

I agree with reasons others have put forth, and the final straw was that his defense was almost totally "Hey look at ConsoM!"

Perhaps you misunderstand what I meant by my vote on ConsoM, i didn't think one way or another about his alignment when I voted, he just annoyed me. I was then asked not to change my vote till the boosts were resolved. I resolved the boost, and then changed my vote.

Ironically, cateration falls in the category of people you say wanted to policy lynch Mastin. Additionally, the manner that cateraction swaps votes shows that he was comfortable with Mastin up until Mufasa further acted scummy.

By the looks of things, you voted Mastin D2 to join the crowd early on, and this was at a point where Mastin did not yet roleclaim. So I need to ask again what [would have been] your reason was for voting Mastin at the start of D2?

Unboost: KMD

(greedy bastard)

Boost: Korejora

I noticed millar was pretty anti-Mastin D1, so he looks good to me.

[Kise]

@Kise- who?

Come again?

[Kise]

TBH, the person I think received MT's boost is also someone I think is town. Not sure if I would be doing him right by outing him.

Can you explain further what happens when you don't figure out who this person is? Like, how is it that [the mod?] takes away your powers from all this?

[Kise]

How many (#) players do you know have extra boosts?

[Kise]

How do any further extra boost make him/her (:)) scum?

[Kise]

So basically the only way for you to find out who's mafia is if they voluntarily come forth right now and admit to having the boost...?

Also, I only have an idea of who MT gave the boost to, but it's nothing of certainty.

[Kise]

I could be wrong about JOAT... maybe there's a dormant vig who required a boost before they were able to kill. Maybe not. What kind of role or boost-power do you believe would enable a DK?

[Kise]

I suggested JOAT because there was no DK during the previous phases, so I believe it was a 1-shot ability. May not have been a role entitled JOAT, but I do believe whoever is responsible to be pro-town since a lot of people were saying Tajo was scum. Mafia would not have used that daykill if they thought Tajo was suspicious enough to get himself lynched... smart mafia, anyway.

[Kise]

Here you go Sajin:

What do u think of poptaj?

I think either scum were boosted & earned a daykill, or, more typical, it was a

Jack

.

[Kise]

I do as well. But I don't think this person is anti-town, which is why I'd rather they not be exposed. Especially if they were on the Mastin wagon, so it's not very probable that they'd be scum.

Think about this way --> If this person is town and has an extra boost, then the mafia wouldn't hesitate to turn him/her into roach meat.

Also Sajin, what is to stop your 3 suspects from lying to you in the event at least 1 of them is scum? Could you still find another way to help retrieve the information you need, or are you banking on these 3 players telling you the truth?

[Kise]

@BM - Why?

Why not? lol

[Kise]

Dudes... there was a fuggin' JOAT in BM1.

[Kise]

Sajin:

what is to stop your 3 suspects from lying to you in the event at least 1 of them is scum? Could you still find another way to help retrieve the information you need, or are you banking on these 3 players telling you the truth?

[Kise]

KMD, care to answer the question?

No, not a taunt. Just curious about your feelings on having 2 boosts. What's wrong with me assessing you? Not like I called you Kevey again.

[Kise]

Why do you find Kise to be likely town? I find him suspicious for his playing dumb when I know he is a better player and his poor handling of his role/claim.

You're referring to the game I was scum?

I think that he is a town because it was a claim that wasn't really necessary. I find that generally

scum do not false claim power roles just out of the blue, because that can lead to problems.

But in Kise's case there was an advantage -- to discourage the cop from investigating him. But, I think we can say that Kise wasn't about to get investigated by the cop anytime soon because of the presence of more scummy people around, so again there was no need for the claim.

The f*ck happened to this?

[Kise]

Game seems to be stalling... only 2 posts on Sunday and not a lot of action today. Zito would have kept this bitch active.

Mod: Any word from Kojejora?

[Kise]

No one is giving a good reason for my wagon other than following Ether. I expected zwet to do something non-sensical, but to the others who I asked about their votes, the replies I've gotten are a buncha bullshat.

Yep. Theory. Not scumhunting; therefore, filler and certainly not a good reason for 5 people to be boosting you. That's just baffling.

I'd compare what she's saying about me, Patrick & PGOs to be theory. Me lying about my role is a theory of hers, yet she's being boosted AND trusted?

I'm getting a pretty shitty end of the stick here. The mod disapproved of my bet, so basically Ether would go unpunished if I'm lynched. Why don't you guys boost her if I flip scum rather then do that now? She hasn't scumhunted as far as I've seen. All she's done is ride my ass and vaguely mention what it is about PGOs that Patrick dislikes.

[Kise]

Because I'm getting f*cked over by Ether, and not in a good old fashioned physical way.

[Kise]

Because Ether shouldn't earn boosts for supplying a horrible proposal. I'm suggesting that nobody blindly boost her until finding out whether she's right or wrong. If you're going to boost her today, then boost her for scumhunting... oh, wait, she's done none of that. She hasn't hopped off my back since D2, and it's either sheepish or opportunistic (as scum) for others to trust her for the hell of it. I don't have an opinion about her alignment because she's using an out-of-game reference to believe she's found scum. She's personally denying me a chance to get a read on her because she's [apparently] using her meta knowledge rather than playing normally.

[Kise]

Then let's vote him.

[Kise]

Mmm... BM, you're full of it. What did I do scummy yesterday; vote Mastin & tell Ether she's barking up the wrong tree? Or was it the bet that would have put me out of MS.net for a month if Ether was right?

[Kise]

If I flip scum, Ether?

[Kise]

Of course I'm complaining... I'm at L-2 over a false case. If I remember correctly, Mage, you said I was town yesterday. You, KMD & OGML are not listing reasons for your votes. I changed my opinions about the latter 2 due to Mastin flipping scum, but they still need to be called out for crap bandwagoning, or whatever you wish to call this scenario.

As a matter of fact, I'm going to make an anti-town move here and say that I strongly believe MissTake boosted KMD. So, there you go, Sajin. KMD & MT know each other IRL, so the best guess out of him, cat' & OGML would be to believe she boosted KMD. Notice how he unvoted you Sajin after you mentioned that MT boosted someone who was wagoning you? He got nervous... and I'm taking him off my facebook RIGHT NAO.

[Kise]

You guys are digging in me. I feel raped.

[Kise]

I don't know what else to say. BM is being silly by suggesting that Ether is bussing me. He would get my vote today, but we already know who today's lynch is.

Don't boost Ether until she scumhunts. That's all I'll request... well, that and a lynch on BM. If we have investigators, check out SOG.

[Kise]

No I'm not, zwet. Ether doesn't find me suspicious. She accuses me of lying. About. My. Role.

I just re-checked my PM... For what it's worth, I am told that not only do I not open doors, but I also don't take any offers (i.e. boosts). So, I guess I never needed them.

Can I fakeclaim doctor and pray that mafia target me?

[Kise]

No.

Unboost: OGML

I'S GONNA LIVE!!!

[Kise]

BM is scum. Don't boost him.

[Kise]

Jesus Kise..

Why listen to Ether until her claim is credible?

[Kise]

zwet is similar Empking if you ask me.... why no mention on zwet's play?

(I'm getting desperate)

[Kise]

Spread your joke just like you spread your legs. [SERVED AGAIN]

I came to the discovery that Poro is scumbuddy with Mastin. He coached Mastin to make a claim for the longest; more than likely banking that the cop claim would earn some sympathy/unvotes.

Poro is scum. Simple as. I could be wrong about SOG.

Am I being ignored?

[Kise]

zwet is full of fluff. And I didn't mean to imply Emp nor zwet is scum, but by your reasoning Ether, zwet & Empking share the same level of usefulness/uselessness.

I'm not WIFOM'ing anything. This is a fairly big game, so 3 or 4 scum total is a good amount. Check out Poro & Mastin's interactions. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who is scumbuddies. Poro is a good def-scum to examine; don't let his Mastin-hammer influence your judgment. SOG was late on the Mastin wagon (voted after the hammer) and barely mentioned Cons/Mastin's name ITT. BM didn't vote for Mastin, so he automatically came under my review. I will admit that I think he's scum in 2 of our other games... hell, he might be. Poro is still my definite choice though.

[Kise]

I'll have more to add to my sig, is all. As far as saving my own ass.... sincerely doubtful about that one.

[Kise]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 03#1736703 = Sajin influencing detraction from the Mastin wagon. The reason I'm posting this is to leave no stone unturned; anyone not prominently on the Mastin wagon earned my attention.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 95#1760495 = Back & forth between Poro & myself (up until Post 818). He's basically wanting a few others to keep drawing out their convo to further delay the Mastin lynch.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 49#1761349 = Poro stalling Mastin's lynch more.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 09#1766609 = indifferent IIOA summary of SOG; request prod; curious to know SOG's opinions of others

Since I know BM to behave the same in every game, he's bumped down on my list.

[Kise]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 80#1767380 = Poro's analysis of Mastin. At the bottom, he mentions his content with lynching millar, but says that he'd be among the last to vote Mastin if needed (and yes, did hammer, but only when it was obvious Mastin was going down).

[Kise]

[Kise]

I don't think Kise was justified in claiming to be a PGO based on his role PM. It was a possibility, but not something I expected the role to take as a fact. I had a long debate with Xtoxm around days 2-3 about this, lol.

Fakeclaim. I knew there wasn't a gun mentioned in my role PM.

Something told me I was not bulletproof (at least not without proper boosting), so I thought I'd scare (or at least WIFOM) mafia until they got the balls to test out my claim.

And then, Ether subbed in. The rest is history.

GG, all. Seemed rare that someone would receive 3 boosts and make full use of their role, but even with 1 boost, these roles were made interesting. More vanillas than I expected though.

[Kise]

White lies.

[Kise]

Says the creator of uPick.

[Kise]

When did you get back?