The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[dramonic]

Hello people, I will post my opinion once I'm done reading the thread :3

@zwet: I don't know. Are you?

[dramonic]

Of course I know I'm not. But even then, you'll tell me I'm lying and vote me anyways.

It's one of those question without an answer. I say yes you vote me, I say know you scream lies and vote me.

But no, I swear I'm not.

Oh noes, I can't swear, no swearing for the day XD

[dramonic]

Paranoid, I wouldn't go ahead and see that. I think it's a pretty normal reaction to being voted twice in an hour interval.

That,, and I wanted you to see I'm alive and replacing already. Once I'm done reading the thread I'll post a better defense/attack on others

[dramonic]

so... much... text... @_@

[dramonic]

hmm, I agree with Yos on that one...

[dramonic]

a cupid is always townie with a one use power at the beginning of the game. I play the card game a lot ^^

[dramonic]

I'm not sure that vote count is accurate since it still lists dead people.

I say we get rid of Mufasa now because he's likely scum, but just in case he is telling the truth we should direct his vengeful kill by deciding who else is scummy and getting his input on who he'd kill. If he's town I don't think he'd be protected but theres a good chance scum want him dead if they think he's telling the full truth.

QFT

Vote: Mufasa

[dramonic]

yikes... At least she wasn't a power role ><

what power roles are there left anyways?

[dramonic]

yikes... At least she wasn't a power role ><

what power roles are there left anyways?

Wow, false sympathy and rolefishing. You rarely get a twofer like that.

Vote: Dramonic

-Lol, I rarely express sympathy over people dying in an internet game.
It's not sympathy, it's considering that we've killed 5 town and 1 mafia in 3 days, it's a bad avergfae
-It's not rolefishing, it's wanting to know what's left. I don't care who's who, since we cant value that anymore after two fake claims.

[dramonic]

I thought this was a game with pre-established list of role.

[dramonic]

ah, the boardgame...

Cupid, Piper, Village Idiot, scapegoat, elder, seer, witch, hunter, lil girl, salvatore, thief.

You know bout piper, so...

Cupid: selects A and B, if A dies B dies

Village idiot: can't be lynched, but cat vote once we try lynching him

Scapegoat: If our two lead lynch candidate have equal vote, the scapegoat dies (even if he wanst one of the two)

Elder: Needs 2 shots to die

Seer: a sane cop

Witch: Knows who the werewolf target and can choose to either save that person, kill someone or do nothing. each ability can only be used once.

Hunter: Well, we've seen him in action

Lil Girl : Can't be used on the internet

Salvatore: See doc

Thief: I don't think it can work on the internet either...


Hmm, what else is there again...

[dramonic]

I think the word game-ruining might be a bit much...

[dramonic]

because a few of you are convinced I am rolefishing, which was not the intended effect.

and because I said it was problematic that we lost yet another townie.

[dramonic]

honestly, right now I have no clue ><

[dramonic]

I might be V/LA for a few days, so just in case...

[dramonic]

is there a pretty certain amount of werewolves or do we not know that?

[dramonic]

But i like his avi...

jk, I'll reread his stuff ^^

[dramonic]

Because knowing what is left is good for optimal use of said roles.

In the RL game anyway <<

[dramonic]

14 isnt that much.

[dramonic]

maybe it's sposed to have provoked his unvote <<

[dramonic]

proll...

I'm torn between voting Mike and Yos

[dramonic]

reading reading

[dramonic]

Problem is, this game hasn't been giving me a lot of conclusive stuff <<

[dramonic]

well, if you checked my last post before that it says reading reading.

It means I'm trying to read read the game.

So once I'm done reading reading, I'll post answers to Jahudo's questions.

Is that fine by you or are you going to try to lynch me before I can do that?

Also, those double reading are intentionnal.

[dramonic]

Cough!

I'm FINALLY done reading day 1 and halfway through day 2.


Current read on players


MikeSC6: From what I read, not much content. fence-sitting, stating obvious stuff. I wouldn»'t yell scum, but he's in my scummy section

DIB: The first day was a lot of "I don't know the mechanic, I cant make a decision." A bit scummy, but not enough to warrant a vote.

The Replacement: Wasn't in the game yet, but Shinnen was townesque and brought up decent points (although not that many...)

Rockastansky: Wasn't in the game yet, but Knox was useless and lurking. RB behaviour, but the RB doesn't exist in WoMH...

Zwet: Inconsistent, feels a need to hammer on every possible occasion, doesn't explain his behaviours. Must be lynched ASAP.

Yos: Very protown. Actively participated in the scumhunting.

Jahudo: See above

Battle Mage: Activity dwindled, but still feels like town

Gorrad:... I'll have to continue reading, have no read on him yet.

Nabakovx2: Barrylocke did some blind following, sounds noobtown or scummy, will need to read more for a better opinion.

Ztife: scumhunting in a town manner, but trying to get rid of the responsability that double-voting includes was very scummy. More reading required.

Starbuck: Well, he's still ZONEACE where I'm at and posted once saying sorry for not posting -_-; more reading will be needed.

Dramonic: Firestarters "mafia power boosting" was ridiculous and either noobish or scummy. Once I'm done reading the rest I'll have a better idea of my predecessor. I STRONGLY doubt he really found on mafiawiki that village idiot = jester, I'll have to look into that.

Unvote

just in case

Vote: Zwet

Unless his behaviour changes drastically during day 2-3 (although I've seen his hammer on mufasa) then he deserves to be lynched.
The quick-hammers were pure anti-town behaviour, preventing access to what could have been very useful information.

If he flips town I don't know who I want lynched on the second lynch of the day, will get to that once more reading is done.


Oh, and btw, I'm really sorry for my lack of earlier contribution, as have been said before by Haschel I think, life is a bitch, lotsa stuff happening.

[dramonic]

Update to my analysis, Starbuck, Gorrad and Replacement give me town vibes, in ascending order...

Questions for Dramonic:
1. Why do you think zwetschenwasser is hammering every chance he gets? Is this a good/bad/scummy thing to do?
2. Do you think the Mufasa wagon was scum driven? How so?
3. Do you think the millar wagon was scum driven? How so?
4. Do you think people have to provide good reasons before they vote, or is voting by gut good enough if they eventually provide reasons or unvote? In other words, what's your style; what's it going to take for you to vote?
5. Do you think anyone looks scummier than a lurker at this point? Who?

1. I honestly have no clue why he does that. It's ridiculously scummy behaviour and it cuts short discussion. Well, I'd have an idea why he does that, but that's on the subject of personal attacks, so I'll refrain
2/3. No to both. X made a possible claim but didn't back it up. When Millar replaced and claimed VI then it became scummier, but I'm willing to blame the lynch on people believe my predecessor and his misleading role definitions. Mufasa's roleclaim was just plain unrealsitic. He sounded scummy, so town could very have have "driven" his wagon.
4. Voting without an intelligent reason gives scummy vibes and cannot be excused. Hammering without reason is much worse though. *coughZwetcough*
5. Do I have to asnwer this question? On a sidenote, the amount of lurkers has pleasantly diminished.

[dramonic]

On a sidenote, the fact that Percy died of poisoning means 95% chances are we don't have a NK town role. The witch killed him.

[dramonic]

The witch kills at night Jahudo.

and it's kaiveran that did the town vibing job

[dramonic]

wow, lotsa content there <<

[dramonic]

His posts on the 29th of may and 4th of June are hunting in my book. He's been puling too many disappearing acts though

[dramonic]

@Mod: Does this game follow ALL the usual rules of Werewolf of Miller Hollow?

[dramonic]

EBWOP

@Mod: Does this game follow ALL the usual rules of Werewolf of Miller Hollow?

[dramonic]

EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post

and after rereading, I think it sounds more like not wanting to end up with suspicions on him for blocking access to good info.

And it's normal to want to know who he's planning to veng-kill. If he hadn't been lying (and he shouldn't have, in this context) it could have been a good thing to try to get some of Mufasa's thinking.

[dramonic]

To answer the question more clearly:

I think he really would have hammered, but I think the reason he didn't is to avoid suspicions on him after hammering when clearly told not to, not because he actually found Jahudo's questionning odd.

[dramonic]

Would you look at that, the village twit has returned!

On a sidenote, someone need to give some opinions on players. I've given mine lately, you guys should do the same.

[dramonic]

He's a village idiot, let him act accordingly and pretend he can vote XD

Well, there are still 4 or 5 votes on me I think, but I think it's more about people not posting than people still wanting to lynch me.

I could be wrong though

[dramonic]

meep?

Why? ;_;

[dramonic]

Zwet is a constant scummy vibe. No matter what. My policy towards him is simple:
If he dies and is scum: Yay! Dead scum.
If he dies and is town: Yay! Dead zwet.

Zwet, so you know, I hold you as a person with the utmost respect. It's you as a player I want to kill.

considering you'd want Zwet to die wether town or scum, you could consider lynching him.

That way, if he's scum he's dead. If he's not you can kill me due to dissatisfaction clause.

[dramonic]

what do you mean passing on the lynch? I already state why I wanted to lynch Zwet <<

[dramonic]

Ugh... I've removed the extra text for a clearer read

Cough!

Current read on players

Zwet: Inconsistent, feels a need to hammer on every possible occasion, doesn't explain his behaviours. Must be lynched ASAP.

Unvote

just in case

Vote: Zwet

Unless his behaviour changes drastically during day 2-3 (although I've seen his hammer on mufasa) then he deserves to be lynched.
The quick-hammers were pure anti-town behaviour, preventing access to what could have been very useful information.

If he flips town I don't know who I want lynched on the second lynch of the day, will get to that once more reading is done.


Oh, and btw, I'm really sorry for my lack of earlier contribution, as have been said before by Haschel I think, life is a bitch, lotsa stuff happening.

Update to my analysis, Starbuck, Gorrad and Replacement give me town vibes, in ascending order...

Questions for Dramonic:
1. Why do you think zwetschenwasser is hammering every chance he gets? Is this a good/bad/scummy thing to do?
2. Do you think the Mufasa wagon was scum driven? How so?
3. Do you think the millar wagon was scum driven? How so?
4. Do you think people have to provide good reasons before they vote, or is voting by gut good enough if they eventually provide reasons or unvote? In other words, what's your style; what's it going to take for you to vote?
5. Do you think anyone looks scummier than a lurker at this point? Who?

1. I honestly have no clue why he does that. It's ridiculously scummy behaviour and it cuts short discussion. Well, I'd have an idea why he does that, but that's on the subject of personal attacks, so I'll refrain
2/3. No to both. X made a possible claim but didn't back it up. When Millar replaced and claimed VI then it became scummier, but I'm willing to blame the lynch on people believe my predecessor and his misleading role definitions. Mufasa's roleclaim was just plain unrealsitic. He sounded scummy, so town could very have have "driven" his wagon.
4. Voting without an intelligent reason gives scummy vibes and cannot be excused. Hammering without reason is much worse though. *coughZwetcough*
5. Do I have to asnwer this question? On a sidenote, the amount of lurkers has pleasantly diminished.

Care to not attempt a quiclynch on me Mike? I have stated CLEARLY why I want Zwet lynched and you know it, you were the FIRST to respond to my accusations -_-

[dramonic]

Also, I'm not promising myself for the second death. I'm saying that if he wants me dead so much he can just lynch me on the dissatisfaction clause, not that he should do it or that I'll lynch myself.

Even IF Zwet flips town I know I'm not a good lynch.

[dramonic]

5) The ReplacementShinnen_no_Me (Female, 19)
8) zwetschenwasser (Male, 1)
19) Ztife (Female, 24)
20) StarbuckKaiveranZONEACE (Male, 21)
21) Battle Mage (Female, 19)

been a while since last time they posted -_-

[dramonic]

Sweet, I'm already voting for Dramonic, and he hasn't done anything other than keep digging while I've been gone. Less work for me!

Have you even been reading? I've said more than enough stuff to not warrant a quick-lynch cuz you guys consider I'm rolefishing, which is NOT the case.

If anything, you're scummier than I am for ignoring the past 10 pages.

[dramonic]

So based on the fact his meta is to act like scum, you won't vote him because he IS scummy?

[dramonic]

how does that relate to anything?

[dramonic]

hopefully ;_;

[dramonic]

the last 3 deaths say otherwise

[dramonic]

I mean 2

[dramonic]

Give me an intelligent reason to lynch me, Mike.

[dramonic]

I voted Dramonic because of his wheedling, his trying to get Zwet lynched rather than himself on

very

flimsy evidence. Trying to influence a lynch for the reason of self-preservation is scummy, and that's what it looks like to me.

First, I'm not wheedling, I'm stating facts.
Second, it's not flimsy evidence, it's Zwet playstyle being purely anti-town.
Third, it's not self-preservation, it's town-preservation.

[dramonic]

Also Mike, you know basically you want to lynch me because I want to lynch Zwet... how does that work?

[dramonic]

Well you say you're researching our game setup "Werewolves of Millers Hollow". The real life game is an open setup from what I can tell, and everyone know what power roles exist and what they do.

I thought dramonic was asking which power roles were still alive, (like the thief, cupido, fortune teller, etc), which you don't have to ask for claims to figure out they haven't been killed yet.

Finally someone gets it

[dramonic]

I would think that in a game based on Werewolf of Miller Hollow where the setup is almost always open the setup here would be as well.

[dramonic]

Now that this is clear...

could both of you vote and unvote the replacement?

I'm doing a case study ^^

[dramonic]

you can do it too if you wish starbuck

I can't explain honestly, since if I DO explain the scum can use my tests agaisnt me

[dramonic]

I know nothing will happen, it's purely informationnal

[dramonic]

oh wait, nvm, something could happen, rulebreaking and stuff <<

[dramonic]

Unvote

Vote:MikeSC6
Unvote

Vote:DizzyIzzyB13
Unvote

Vote:The Replacement
Unvote

Vote:millar13
Unvote

Vote:Rockatansky
Unvote

Vote:Yosarian2
Unvote

Vote:Jahudo
Unvote

Vote:Gorrad
Unvote

Vote:NabakovNabakov
Unvote

Vote:Ztife
Unvote

Vote:Starbuck
Unvote

Vote:Battle Mage
Unvote

Vote:zwetschenwasser

Now do the same
You won't break any rules by accident, since if doing what I did would break a rule you'll have received a PM bout it already

[dramonic]

Cupido

is the town matchmaker. He/she received the nickname because of his/her ability to make any two people fall instantly in (love?). During the first night of the game, Cupido designates two players who will be "in love" with one another for the rest of the game. Cupido can choose him/herself as one of teh lovers. If one of the lovers dies, the other immediately kills him/herself in a fit of grief.

A love cannot, even as a bluff, vote to lynch their lover.

Special Case: If one of the lovers is a Werewolf and the other one is a townsperson, the object of the game changes for these two players. The pair's only wish is to live in love and peace and therefore must eliminate all other players (Werewolves and Townsfolk) from the game by using the standard game rules.

I've played at least 80 games of WoMH and I never saw one without a cupid. I'm looking for the lovers.

[dramonic]

Yes, however even if they are town-aligned, a lover pair is a very dangerous thing to have later in the game, as it can easily screw town over on a mislynch.

If there's a werewolf in the pair, it's a good thing to kill 3rd party, if not, the earlier they die the better it is for the town.

[dramonic]

sent

[dramonic]

call it fishing if you want, but the lovers are going to be a nuisance to the town in the long run if they are both town, and if they are half town half scum its one less third party to worry about.

[dramonic]

You'd rather give them a 2 for 1 when there are like, 6 people left Yos?

Also, for the... nth time, one of the lovers could be mafia <<

And the goal was not to "trick" the lovers. My objective was to know the lovers without the mafia knowing.

[dramonic]

Through various methods, like say, analysing votes.

Also, it's dramonic, no draconinc

[dramonic]

Well, I've said why I think it's a worthy lynch, you don't have to help me search XS

[dramonic]

But scum can't control the dissatisfaction, it's a hidden vote and the town can influence it much more greatly

[dramonic]

so many replacement. This game is in trouble ;_;

[dramonic]

considering we have like, 70% of the group being lurkers, no shit sherlock XD

[dramonic]

on-topic: Who do you propose?

Vote: Zwet

in case it wasn't already clear.

[dramonic]

Care to explain what you mean by that Gorrad?

[dramonic]

Last time I checked, you were also all for lynching him and if you look I've been voting him since july 2nd, it's not like it's anything new.

His playstyle is a nuisance at best.

[dramonic]

Zwet is a constant scummy vibe. No matter what. My policy towards him is simple:
If he dies and is scum: Yay! Dead scum.
If he dies and is town: Yay! Dead zwet.

Zwet, so you know, I hold you as a person with the utmost respect. It's you as a player I want to kill.

[dramonic]

mkay, and that's me because...?

All I did was try to hunt out the lover because I'm sure they'll cause the town problem later on <<

[dramonic]

Let me try to explain extensively then.

The rulebreaking: IF this game follows the normal rules of WoMH when it comes to roles, then a lover who votes his love gets modkilled.

The voting: It's to prove I'm not a lover, since I voted everyone without getting modkilled (even if I were a lover knowing Haschel is absent, would I take that risk? No way in hell)

Killing the lovers: WEll, we have the case where one lover is mafia, making lovers a third party, we have the case where both are town, which I believe becomes a huuuuge danger to the town the less players there are AND we also have the (less likely) mafia pair, in which killing those lovers would be a HUGE step ahead.


But since no one seems to want to go along with it, I'll stop pushing it for now :3

[dramonic]

wonder if I'm a lover?
The whole vote-unvote paragraph I made proves I'm not <<

[dramonic]

fine, fine...

[dramonic]

Jahudo, you soooooo knew Zwet would hammer me -_-

What were you thinking? XD

[dramonic]

wrong topic, if you wanna apply for games do so in the queue.

[dramonic]

aww... I was rooting for the piper

[dramonic]

it seems I was wrong about a cupid in the setup, mea culpa

[dramonic]

normally, the flower picking gives the witch an extra potion to spend.