Stars Aligned - GAME OVER

[dramonic]

/confirm

yeah first post!

[dramonic]

sounds like a mass claim with slightly altered mechanics XD

[dramonic]

I'd have laughed if somebody did try to ressucitate XD

[dramonic]

I heard noise last night.

Considering Resu and Investigate are useless night one, did someone ward me or am I the victim of fetichism?

Or stalking...

[dramonic]

forgot to say, didn't use ward

[dramonic]

hey Exalt
Didn't notice you were playing

[dramonic]

Considering the only viable/possible action that causes insanity night 0 is stalk, I'm not sure you should claim it Mastin

Then again, you said it's a lie...

Then again, you ARE Mastin... What to do, what to do?

[dramonic]

Theorically speaking, if everyone with Occult do a mass research tonight on the people who heard noise, the cult kill will be blocked. Additionally, if the research turn up "yes", the researchers will have found murderers too :3

Of course, we'll end up with lotsa insane people, but I think it's a fair trade-off.

[dramonic]

I just reread the actions.

I was sure that the ritual necessitated each of the individuals voting a person to have a fetish of said person.

*imagines 6 people surrounding a bed to steal toenails from a sleeping guy*

[dramonic]

yes, I reread already ^_^;

[dramonic]

It's Mastin, you just ignore the first post and the game is normal

I don't think Mastin warrants a vote yet. He does this every game, it's not even distracting since we know it's his natural behaviour

[dramonic]

well, now we know that he isn't paranoiac.

he could still be psycho or something though.

[dramonic]

your point?

[dramonic]

I'd say they are confirmed murderers and need to die as much as cult <<

[dramonic]

But the key bit is, if you warded someone, we need to know who. We then know that person is not in danger of dying tonight, so they do not need to be doctored.

Warded dramonic.

You rate my setups, you have a RO avi and you ward me

<3

[dramonic]

I just meant I appreciate it XD

[dramonic]

Stalk -> gain an insanity -> choose Psychopath -> Become murderer is a possible N0 chain of actions.

[dramonic]

Every three night actually.

IF we have exactly 3/4 investigator 1/4 cult, we could prevent all cult kills.

But that supposes we have 0 murderers, which is utopic.

[dramonic]

no, cultists can craft fetish and do rituals simultaneously

[dramonic]

cultist can become murders through taking the Psychopath insanity

[dramonic]

Murderer

: (...)

Special Abilities

:
-Traitor - Murderers who began the game as Cultists retain their Special Abilities when they become Murderers.
-Killer - Murderers may take the

Murder

action more than once.

Yup

[dramonic]

@Nhammen

Another rule I misread. I missed the:"or half the cult, whichever is smaller."

vote: DeathNote

For reasons explained above.

[dramonic]

above as in by players before me, specifically Nhammen

[dramonic]

no, he's just a bit confused

[dramonic]

also, very late answer to Drench's question about why I'm voting DeathNote:

His reason to vote Mastin was just to get him out of the way. Arguably, Mastin hasn't posted anything of actual content (since we all ignore his first post due to him being himself), therefore killing him gives us no information at all, while killing someone who've actually expanded his opinion on theories/cult behaviours/whatever is a much more worthwhile lynch.

Therefore, he exhibits scummy behaviour. Therefore, I'm voting him.

Also, his posts since them have just been more digging his own grave.

[dramonic]

Sarag hasn't claimed.

[dramonic]

I don't think voting Mastin is worthwhile. It's obvious someone is going to shoot him down at some point

[dramonic]

fine by me

[dramonic]

err, you just named three names. What's the reasoning?

[dramonic]

OH, I get it.

[dramonic]

bingo

[dramonic]

A lot of people are replacing out, it's sad

[dramonic]

indeed.

So... What's the general consensus about Mastin and Deathnote?

Do we lynch them or not?

Also, we should decide what insanity Zwet should pick.

[dramonic]

yeah, but knowing Zwet's playstyle Sadism would be a better one

[dramonic]

I think I know what Zyke means. It is highly likely that Mastin or DN are scum, but not both and there really is no way to know which one is right now.

[dramonic]

so true XD

[dramonic]

Well, if Mastin heard noise, odds are he got fetished. If one of the two is scum, it's probably DN.

In case I wasn't already voting:

Vote: Deathnote

[dramonic]

alright then, let me correct myself.

Odds are, he got fetished OR he got stalked. He'll die anyways <<

[dramonic]

My vote stands, with an added pinch of "appeal to emotions"

[dramonic]

I despise that so much. Inactivity my butt! I try to post and it just makes me look guitly. If I could vote again and not get critized for it, it would be Mastin, but I won't.

Instead I will remain

inactive

again

.

the underlined section is why Datananne wants DN replaced, not his general uselessness... I think.

[dramonic]

maybe it's an elaborate gut illness

[dramonic]

murderer =/= santa claus Datadanne

[dramonic]

Considering the body of the post, i'm not so sure it's sarcasm

[dramonic]

This quote might give me a seizure

[dramonic]

chaos danger

[dramonic]

Ryan says we could play this like texas justice.

However, if at anytime during the game all investigators are bloody, we descend into chaos.

[dramonic]

Vote: EriktheRed

You're just trying to create a (bad) case out of thin air.

[dramonic]

My reason to "hop" on your wagon like you say is because I've been reading your interaction with Zwet and you sound like scum trying to condemn anyone with semantic arguments that aren't even half decent.

[dramonic]

GAH?

[dramonic]

Must be OMGUS XD

[dramonic]

a votecount would be nice.

[dramonic]

Go, WIFOM!

This is purely theorical, but I think Seraphim is trying to divert attention off EtR on purpose.

[dramonic]

I don't know, it just crossed my mind <_<

[dramonic]

indeed, especially now XD

[dramonic]

Behave, children <_<

[dramonic]

why do you keep calling Data VI?

My only translation to VI is village idiot and we're in a game without those <<
Also, I'd be more for lynching you than those two EtR.

You say you vote for the scummier of the moment, but you don't explain how A is scummier than B at any point. If I start acting scummy for the whole day then Chensi pops in and yell CHICKEN you'll vote him because he's "scummier" at the moment?

Vote-hopping is not a scumtell. However, it's a nuisance to getting a lynch.

[dramonic]

My only translation to VI is village idiot and we're in a game without those <<

*facepalm* ... Village idiot isn't a role... A village idiot is a notoriously bad/useless player. Zwet, Data, Mastin, etc. Did you even bother to read the game someone linked of Data's play as town?

I've played Werewolf more than mafia and there is a role named village idiot in that. It's an unlynchable townie, but if we try lynching him he is stumped.

Since Werewolf and Mafia are basically the same game, I thought the roles was also present.

[dramonic]

It's okay :3

[dramonic]

I don't see why the fact there is a useless player or me on a wagon decreases its worth. Also if you have a feeling (which one, town-feel, scum-feel, psycho-feel?) about me I'd appreciate you elaborate on what and why :3

[dramonic]

I thought Data was being sarcastic <<

[dramonic]

EtR is the lynch of the day anyways :S

[dramonic]

most vote

[dramonic]

Considering odds are Data stalked DN last night, I don't think lynching him is worthwhile, he'll get killed anyways.

I heard noise and didn't ward

Also, the only bad grave-rob target I see is Drench. No insanity doesn't necessarly mean innocent. Since only half the cultists need to perform the ritual, the other half could craft extra fetish, and that doesn't give insanities.

@Mod: Does ward last until something targets you or is it only for the night and blocks everything?

[dramonic]

well, the dangerous stuff XP

[dramonic]

I'm going to wait for Data to claim. what he did last night could very well affect my vote

[dramonic]

You're accumulating votes because you said you had more than one item, yet you say you didn't know you could equip and thought it was randomly given. It makes no sense whatsoever.

By claim I was referring to Data's action, of course.

[dramonic]

Yes I have claimed to have res kit but that does not mean I used it. I knew that res could only be used once so I wanted to make sure it counted and not res a anti-town person. Not to mention that I never said res kit was my only equipment, giving me another option for last night to preform.

THis explicitely states you held another item though.

[dramonic]

You should analyze his vote history Sajin

[dramonic]

Well, considering Zwet has a single insanity, it'd make sense for him to have robbed.

[dramonic]

AoE

[dramonic]

QFT

[dramonic]

There are two "slight" issues with that.

First, I don't have wards
Second, unless I'm wrong, if you have the doll then they can't kill you. They need it to perform the ritual on. That's how I see it anyways.

[dramonic]

I'm sorry Kise-kun...

Wouldn't making multiple dolls be kind of a waste of a turn? That and I still don't quite understand why you'd want to give a fetish to someone. Yes they gain an insanity, but what's the good of that?

[dramonic]

Unvote

[dramonic]

you should put twitch in your sigs, that'd take care of the problem.

[dramonic]

People who could potentially die tonight (including people who haven't noise claimed and excluding Data and DN since they are getting vigged)

Kise
arelian
Exalt
Magua
Cass
chenhsi
Sajin
Sarag
dramonic
Pablo Molinero
arelian
semioldguy
ZykeZero

That's a massive ressucitation list.

[dramonic]

same here, school hit back ^_^;

[dramonic]

I believe if someone investigated, they should claim it. It'll make the list of people to target with res smaller.

[dramonic]

actually, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, he's saying we should mass-claim if we researched and results now, after which a mass insanity claim would be nice.

[dramonic]

because you can adjust your research-lie when you know how many insanities your fake-target has.

[dramonic]

they researched, they know their result. odds are they want to see if X or Y lie about their insanity count.

[dramonic]

I'll go first

I have 2 insanities, taboo:launder and avolition

I am responsible for the death of Tuberkulos. My original intention was to kill Zwet, which I always have a very hard time reading, but he got replaced out by Tuberkulos (but he's dead anyways, yeah )

[dramonic]

There is a difference between liking third party roles and being downright suicidal. Going murderer in a game where everyone can do a kill + a 6 member mafia is suicide bombing.

[dramonic]

err, my vote appears anyways on the count, I took avolition night 0, but the hammer still went because of the "first to reach ginal vote clause"

The only way I could prove I have avolition is if I fake-hammer, but that's definitely isn't a viable option.

Also Sajin, I know there are 6 mafia because Percy said one fourth and we are 25. It's basic math, not inside info.

[dramonic]

Let's do a little analysis

Case 1: I'm town and telling the truth, killing me is bad to the town and helps the cult win

Case 2: I'm lying and am murderer, killing me is null for the town and helps the cult win

Case 3: I'm lying and am cult, killing me helps the town. However my insanity count and bloodiness can be proven by investigation and research (especially considering I can't launder)

[dramonic]

sure, I can rob the grave.

Two things I wanna check first

@Mod: First, is it possible to rob the grave of someone who is not dead yet? (example, DN to obtain his res kit if he fails at using it and dies during the night) or is that instant failure? Also, if a fetish of someone exists but is not in possession of the cult, can the cult still kill who it represents?

[dramonic]

allright, the second point I still want to know (what with Kise having a fetish on him)

[dramonic]

I have zero insanities.

show-off

[dramonic]

that case is impossible chensi, id need to have the psycho insanity

[dramonic]

Equip
You search the surroundings for items. You acquire your choice of Forensic Tools, Resuscitation Kit, Protective Wards or Occult Books.
You may not Equip a Medical Kit if you are Bloody. If you become Bloody with a Medical Kit equipped, your Medical Kit is destroyed.

Supposing medical kit is referring to ressucitation, our mod has made a mistake, since I already have a kit in my pockets.

and Sajin, it's not an excuse, its you guys wanting me to do it <<

[dramonic]

in this topic

[dramonic]

I didnt like the idea of wasting my night 0 and I had no reason to believe he wasn't cult or murderer.

Also, I enjoy killing.

[dramonic]

Then let me make it clearer. You hve very low odds of survival.

[dramonic]

The stalk and murder actions can be taken by anyone at the price of any two insanities. However, you cannot repeat either action if you aren't murderer

In order to become a murderer, the insanity "Psychopath" must be taken. As long as you don't take that, you are a one-shot vig.


@Sajin: Me killing Tuberkulos is incompatible with me being cult

About Stalk:
[quote=Percy]A Cultist may not take this action unless they are already a Murderer. [/quote]

If I were cult, I'd need three night to commit this type of murder. The only way I can be scum right now is if I'm lying about having killed Tuberkulos.

[dramonic]

No, I'm an avolited (until the end of night 2) and unlaunderable investigator.

[dramonic]

1-Sajin, I am the least likely player here to be scum and you know it.

2-I've said already I am not a murderer and I killed Tuberkulos purely on principle.

Your point 3 is null, there is no way to decrease my insanity count. I've claimed I am bloody and have given a logical reason for it. For all its worth, I'm being more helpful than you are since I'm saving the others both a waste of investigation and research.

4-The priority is scum, not murderers. Considering I've outed myself completely and said I will be graverobbing tonight (which the lynche's corpse turning to dust will prove), you minimally have until night 7 to kill me if I'm lying and am murderer. Moreover, if I go murderer my kill doesn't discriminate, I can kill scum.

Your overly strong obsession over lynching me when I'm easily the smallest menace is excessively scummy. I'd vote you, but I'm avolited, so it's not worth anything.

[dramonic]

Considering I didn't have any suspicions on me before I claimed the kill, why would I claim it if I were cult?

Also, semioldguy, I can't do anything else than graverob right now. That or equip.

[dramonic]

So do I rob him or the lynch?

BTW, I had a res kit, but it blew up

[dramonic]

Question is: Did what he say about Mastin and Zwet trustworthy or not?

[dramonic]

I commited a kill. By becoming bloody, my res kit is destroyed. No big explanation.

[dramonic]

Geez Sajin, pay attention

I begin the game with a Res Kit.
I stalk Tuberkulos and gain avolition N0
I murder Tuberkulos and gain Taboo:Launder N1
As a result of that, my res kit is destroyed.

I am currently bloody, avolited and insane twice, with no items. If I don't die tonight I suppose I'll gain whatever our lynch is holding.

Also, with KoC's modkill and reveals, it is very doubtful that the noise Data heard was in fact KoC stalking.

[dramonic]

So you think Data is currently worth considering on the "no noise list"?

[dramonic]

I'm doing it today for all I know.

Wish me find a fetish of myself on that corpse I'm robbing ^_^

[dramonic]

I'd find that useful too <<

[dramonic]

Supposing medical kit is referring to ressucitation, our mod has made a mistake, since I already have a kit in my pockets.

I remembered reading this before I left, and now I come back and see that you are stating you actually don't have a res kit anymore...but there's no mention of a moderator update or clarification. Can you expound on this change?

I PMed the mod to check. It was indeed a modding mistake on his part, so my kit has been destroyed.

This is indeed so.

[dramonic]

Considering at this point I'm going to spend the rest of the game under the orders of the town, and am probably going to be first on the "to-lynch" list close to endgame, if it were a scum gambit it'd be a really stupid one.

[dramonic]

he has 1 insanity, said so in post... 2 or 3.

[dramonic]

bloodbath

[dramonic]

You play distracted very well

[dramonic]

Kise is so not making it XD

[dramonic]

It's called survival Tom. If Data/Deathnote want to live, they have to follow direct commands (a bit like me really)

[dramonic]

we'll know who's lying based on the death-count.

[dramonic]

oh look, I'm not voting

Vote: Chenhsi

[dramonic]

I'm surprised you're not vigging me Sajin.


Dram hater

[dramonic]

meh, data said he'd murder him tonight, if DN survives we can kill em tomorrow.

[dramonic]

meh, vote stimulation go!

Unvote
Vote: DN

[dramonic]

a) what killed him
b) Datadanne lied

[dramonic]

either way, there is only one kill that has yet to be explained night 1.

Even if Data/whoever else is murderer, they'll have to somehow survive till night 6 to win. This is definitely not a priority.

[dramonic]

the difference is that we can monitor murderers like what you suspect of Data

[dramonic]

Hmm, wrong Sajin

[dramonic]

I'm voting DeathNote so that Furball will stop complaining. However, you know what will happen at lynch time.

[dramonic]

Gosh, you guys aren't paying attention.

Yes my vote is on DN, but he won't be lynched.

[dramonic]

Aww, you totally ruined the ride

That supposes no one else took avolition.

[dramonic]

I am wounded by the lack of trust.

... not really

[dramonic]

No I didn't graverob Chensci

Yes he was obv-murderer.

Would've been a wasted action. I equipped wards instead.

[dramonic]

The point of a grave-rob is to rid ourselves of ambiguous alignments. I ain't going to waste a night action when it's futile.

[dramonic]

Also, didn't hear noise.

[dramonic]

Sarag, your accusation makes no sense whatsoever.

[dramonic]

Sajin, you are voting a dead body.

[dramonic]

I would also like to point out that

1. The two dead bodies are likely scum.
2. The cult failed.

[dramonic]

DN didn't reach his 6th vote before Chensi

I already explained why I didn't graverob.

[dramonic]

Slysly, DN never reached 6 votes. I was avolitionned.

Sajin, I could have grave-robbed. Then what? How does graverobbing change my alignment? I'd have ended up wasting a night action.

I'm not going to graverob people with an insanity count = to the number of nights we've gone through. It's just stupid to do so.

[dramonic]

stalking =/= scum.

Get your lies correctly Sajin

[dramonic]

Murderers are not scum. They are third party and not a priority at all, especially with Chensci's death.

Furthermore, wards are far from the most useless.

I can't equip Res Kits
Occult Books have a high chance of failing when I use them, since I have 2 insanities already
Since the cult can launder and Ritual during a single night, Forensic Tools are very weak

[dramonic]

no, I'm an investigator with wards. Not the same at all.

[dramonic]

vote: dramonic

Likely murderer, possibly cult.

If he is not the lynch for today, I plan on stalking him.

What's the point of voting me?

[dramonic]

Actually scratch that, just reread my PM.

I heard no noise.

What, you were too busy crafting fetishes?

[dramonic]

Well, that never entered my mind. You should have pulled your vote off to not confused us. I obviously wasn't paying good enough attention to your vote not counting, just as you said.

Posts 1251-1252 wasn't clear enough for you?

You should have also made it clear that you weren't going to rob the lynch's grave. I asked for a list of grave robbers so I could rob one if they weren't all covered.

I wasn't expecting Chenhsi to flip murderer. I would have said it I had known before, but since I can't post when the topic is closed I didn't

[dramonic]

Prettu sure Kise is legitimate. I`m still alive and he warded me N0.

[dramonic]

I doubt Sajin is town. Strongly.

His behaviour doesn't add up.

[dramonic]

Yeah Sajin, wards would totally get in the way of your fetish attempts.

[dramonic]

ressucitate isn't an option to you Cass?

And Sajin, Ward is far from useless, it allows us to keep all the players who have yet to hear noise alive (and those whose only heard noise so far is wards)

[dramonic]

chenhsi is most oprobably murderer.

how else would he get an insanity N0?

[dramonic]

But I'm not cult

[dramonic]

You know, you seriously have no reason to kill me. If I'm a murderer, scum will kill me N6. If I'm town, my survival is optimal to the town's win, if I'm scum I've somehow managed to break the rules.

[dramonic]

under what precept can you assume I didn't stalk scum? (Obviously, I'm a murderer XP)

[dramonic]

Actually, your probabilities aren't that hot, since I can attest the person I am lynching as not been shown as town through any mean.

[dramonic]

Oh please, I was obv-murderer . Like you pointed it out earlier, my favourite roles are killing and third party and I was given an occasion to do both.

I'm not sure I feel like telling who I stalked. You'll see when he dies ^_^

Or before I do, if it comes to that.

Preferably the former.

[dramonic]

Also, Sajin is so obv-scum it hurts XD

[dramonic]

I should have stalked you Sajin, but due to overconfidence I thought I might make it, so I wanted to keep you for the victory kill

[dramonic]

I was thinking about there being no cult kill and rereading the rulse, there seem to be two options:
-the target was murdered the same night, meaning the cult targeted nhammen (DN makes no sense), or
-the researchers blocked the ritual's succes. I've seen three or four people claiming research, so this seem possible. If I read the rules correctly, that would mean there's at least three cultists left.

I wasn't fishing, I said ressucitate was also an option to explain the lack of cult-kill.

[dramonic]

possible V/LA until the 27th

[dramonic]

Sajin

Read him in ISO

[dramonic]

what are the ^ supposed to mean?

Also, I can't believe you guys still want to lynch me.

[dramonic]

You know, instead of hammering a murderer who can't win before N6 and who can be monitored throughout the game you guys ought to focus on catching scum <_<

Just get someone to stalk/murder me, geez. Sajin even proposed to do it earlier (although he won't since he's a cultist)

[dramonic]

unless you're lying scum XP

[dramonic]

It sure seems hard to read the rules correctly

[dramonic]

It'd make my life easier

[dramonic]

And you wonder why your life in this game ends today!!

I'm not wondering why my life ends today. It ends because the town has a very hard time setting logical priorities.

[dramonic]

not in this situation.

[dramonic]

Oh, you know for a fact a lot of the scum is dead?

[dramonic]

no, chensci was obv murderer

[dramonic]

since he wasn't outed, yes.

[dramonic]

I'm not most likely, I AM murderer.

Which brings me to another question, if I am lynched (which seems to be what you guys want) why would you graverob me? I have 3 insanities, from stalking and murdering, and no equipment, since my res kit got destroyed.

[dramonic]

I don't like you guys, I wanna perform my 2nd kill

[dramonic]

Please let me perform my kill

I swear it'll be useful to the town ^_^;

[dramonic]

But I really wanna kill you

[dramonic]

err... What I'd need right now is to survive through the day though.

[dramonic]

well, I'm going to get lynched anyways, why not be honest?

[dramonic]

well, I didn't expect to survive after this morning, so I admitted to being a murderer. I honestly believe you'd be better off trying to catch cult instead of lynching me, but clearly you think different ^_^

[dramonic]

I don't like being at L-2...

[dramonic]

I only have one kill. I need two more to win.

[dramonic]

reread me

[dramonic]

HOLD IT!

I have found a decent reason why I shouldn't be lynched. Since I win after night 6, town controls minimally one of the cult's kill, since they have to kill me to win. It's good for the town, since it's one less dead townie coming from the scum.

[dramonic]

Well, I'm convinced Sajin is scum, but it's not the strongest of cases. His position on wards is just weak and his play is not what I,m used to from him.

[dramonic]

ouch XD

[dramonic]

-_-

So you'd rather waste a lynch instead of getting the mafia to waste a kill?

[dramonic]

XP

[dramonic]

I'm still alive you know.

At least, if I'm not then Sajin is a liar

[dramonic]

Sajin's vote doesn't count. It's written but it's fake, like mine day 1 and 2.

[dramonic]

you suck

[dramonic]

that was a joke btw

[dramonic]

my wincon was in three nights, talk about an overeager kill.

[dramonic]

scum could have been forced to do the kill.

[dramonic]

See, I was a completely unecessary lynch ;_;
WEll, until later I guess XP