MKM II GAME OVER

[ZEEnon]

I'm ZEEnon, i'll be replacing Surye!
So wait, let me get this straight, this is a reverse mafia set up?
I

finally

got an anti-town role too..
I was wondering why the hell I didn't get a fake claim, nor did I know my partners.
I was like

what the hell

.
Here I was reading through the thread to find possible fake claims..
&& then around pg. 9 someone says that there is more scum than town.

Also, if it's still needed, I have item descriptions.
Can someone please summarize the main events so far?

Surye - give me the cost of the bomb

Bob-omb (7 coins)

Here's a question for Surye.

When the holder of a bob-omb dies, what happens to it?

a) it gets given to someone else and its trade count gets reset
b) it gets given to someone else and its trade count does not get reset
c) it gets used on someone else
d) it gets used on the person who dies
e) it disappears

This question does not make sense at all.
You are asking me what happens to the player or the bob-omb?
Assuming you mean the bom-omb, none of these answers are correct.
They can choose someone else to die with them.
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If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.

[ZEEnon]

Unvote.

[ZEEnon]

I think I want someone to give me an outline of the game so far.
I've been reading for more than an hour, and let me tell you, it isn't fun.

[ZEEnon]

I don't think we should rush a lynch on him just because of the deadline.
I believe his claim right now, but the fact that he slipped on the item descriptions is suspicious.

[ZEEnon]

If you are in a bubble, I would assume you wouldn't be able to reach the outside world, no?

Mod edit
Visible Votecount

-Shadow Knight (6): Moratorium, ortolan, qwints, semioldguy, WeyounsLastClone, zwetschenwasser
-ortolan (2): AceMarksman, Gorrad
-Looker (2): caf19, populartajo

Not voting (7): killa seven, Cream147, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, Empking, Shadow Knight, Looker

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch. Deadline: May 4th 2009.

[ZEEnon]

Correct. Gooba do not possess arms.
But when you kill them in the games, coins come out of them, so they must have their ways.

[ZEEnon]

Are you hinting that you know where they keep the coins?

[ZEEnon]

Sorry, I didn't even know I wrote that post.

[ZEEnon]

I'd vote Shadow Knight if I could.. why isn't he lynched yet?

[ZEEnon]

Role-related reasons.
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Question for anyone:

Do you think that the scum have fake claims?

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[ZEEnon]

I just replaced into this game a little while ago, populartajo.
Wanna do me a favour and list all the suspicions you have, as well as the reasoning for those suspicions?

[ZEEnon]

Ah, thank you.
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Since Ort and SK dont feel as optymal lynches as they were before...

What changed your mind about ortolan?
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[ZEEnon]

True. You don't find much Gooba running around in Bowser's Castle.

[ZEEnon]

I have a feeling that Shadow Knight is sided with the Bowser.
Can everyone on his wagon justify their vote?

[ZEEnon]

First of all, we have a problem.
One of the scum knew our item descriptions.
Second of all, the fact that a mushroom kingdom role died is confusing.
Could this mean that only bowser's army can kill, while mushroom kingdom can't?

No, sorry, I don't abide by some code of MafiaScumdom that only allows me to discuss certain things
at certain times and not other things at other times.

See Gorrad, i'm not the only one!
In Bleach Mafia that you mentioned, I commented on the NK (or lack of) too. Was I scum? No.
You tried pushing a lynch on me commenting on the NK when you in fact were scum.
Watch how you push your vote this game.

[ZEEnon]

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1. Anti-Bowser player died.
2. The player qwints died.
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I would have commented on the night events
regardless of whether or not that other guy did or not.

I mean seriously, I didn't even know qwints was in the game.
Who would choose to kill him is the question . .
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[ZEEnon]

Possibly.

[ZEEnon]

I'm here! The fact that you tried pushing a lynch on someone that was V/LA is noted.

[ZEEnon]

Mini Bowser does

Mini Bowser =/= Third party.

[ZEEnon]

Bowser's Army =/= Third party.

[ZEEnon]

I believe Gorrad's claim right now.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

Your vote number cannot be changed?

[ZEEnon]

Gorrad, have you created a vanilla townie for us as of yet?
I think that would be both extremely useful to us.

@ ZEEnon: who do you suspect? What have they done to deserve your suspicion? Got any observations from Day 2 (or 3)?

Things were extremely rushed those days, and I was incredibly annoyed to see
that millar1 was lynched without me being able to analyze the situation.
Hell, did you guys even allow him to claim? As for my suspicions, I was thinking populartajo. Looks like I was incorrect.
As for the living players, I think that Gorrad and subsequently, ortolan, are town.
I'm quite unsure about everyone else to be honest, as I have not been regularly following this game.

[ZEEnon]

Zee and k7 have demonstrated much less of a willingness to stick their necks out.

My vote is worth -1.
Unless you want a lynch to take that much longer, you won't want me to start voting who I suspect.
I'll try to give days two and three a read through when I have time.

[ZEEnon]

Please explain how I am anti-town because I think you are incorrect.
Lazy, yes. Procrastinator, sure. Doesn't want to read through 20 pages, of course. Anti-town, no.

[ZEEnon]

I'm afraid i'm not seeing a softclaim.

[ZEEnon]

Sorry I have exams.
What do you guys think about a mass claim at this point in time?

[ZEEnon]

I've always had the -1 vote.

[ZEEnon]

Vote: ZEEnon

Canceling out your misled vote.

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon-
-Do you have any thoughts about players who rarely post and when they do they post off topic or game irrelevant?

They aren't necessarily scummy, but they aren't helping us.
I'm one to talk though, i'm not really trying in this game.
I don't really have the motivation to be honest, I don't know why.
I like your questions though, as they prompt me to answer.

--What do you think about lynching Empking?
--What do you think about lynching K7 or yourself?

Can you give me an overview of these players?
I keep saying I will go back and read, but I know myself. I know I won't.
I do know one thing though, and it is that lynching me would be a waste.

-Do you have any suspects?

Besides caf19's opportunistic vote, nothing really stands out to me.
I mean, you can go look at my meta. In most of the games I

replace

into i'm pretty lazy.

-You previously stated that you believe Gorrad and Ortolan are town. What leads you to this belief?

As I said, I believe Gorrad's claim.
Which would make it perfectly logical to assume that Ortolan is town.

-You claimed to have -1 vote and now claim to have had this the entire game. Do you know why you have -1 vote and is it something you are willing/able to share with us?

It's due to my role.

--You mentioned that voting your suspects would prolong the day, but that implies that you have suspects who are also vote leaders. Was that an implicit claim that you are suspicious of Empking?

That was a breadcrumb of my -1 vote.
I was suspicious of ThAdmiral, but was unable to vote him or else I would have prolonged the lynch.

[ZEEnon]

I have no flavour to do with my vote worth. My vote worth is just included in my starting conditions.

[ZEEnon]

Uh yeah, so i'm the person scum are pushing?
I don't expect Empking to explain, since I don't think he has reasons,
but Ortolan, why are you voting me?

[ZEEnon]

Just because I said i'm not trying this game doesn't mean i'll be an easy mislynch.
Ortolan, you have not asked me questions nor interacted with me.
Why not question me before your obviously random and unexplained vote?

[ZEEnon]

If it's to do with my play, you need to go and look at my meta.
If you don't, you obviously don't care and are scum looking for an easy lynch.
Let me just tell you, you aren't going to get it.

[ZEEnon]

What would you rather I use my vote for?
On a person that I don't know is town? Sounds like a good idea to me. Hint: Not.

[ZEEnon]

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Trying to use your special vote to try and stop the town from getting the lynch they want is pretty scummy.

You are incorrect and

wrong

.
A negative vote can only be used in one way; to prevent a lynch you feel is wrong.
I know this lynch is wrong, and i'm preventing it. Why is using it in this way wrong?

That and the fact you apparently have no explanation for why your vote counts for -1. That seems bizarre to me.

I

know

I don't read that game, but DO YOU?

I've few problems with Kast but intrinsically distrust him after Notre Dame

Kast's posts annoy me just like they did in Notre Dame Mafia.
At least they keep the discussion going though.

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Right now I have a scum vibe from Riceballtail.
He/she/it just popped in and contributed to my vote situation without even saying anything on the matter.

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[ZEEnon]

are we going to force zeenon to claim or not?

This is the most scummy thing i've ever seen this game.

I am not sure since we already got an empking claim

Empking claimed?

[ZEEnon]

It would be ideal for sirdanilot to switch his vote to me so that we can prove my -1 vote, right?
Also, caf19's last post was extremely scummy.

[ZEEnon]

-ZEEnon (3): caf19, ZEEnon, ortolan, Empking

One of these is a double voter.

[ZEEnon]

My vote is worth -1. The vote count was worth 3 apparently. One of their votes must be worth 2 or was worth 2 at the time.
Either they haven't revealed that to us yet, or they are hiding it for a reason; they wanted to be lynched.

[ZEEnon]

MOD: Please delete the above post, as I don't like the way it is formated.
It is the exact same as the following, except it looks a bit neater.
If you can't then that's okay. It just bugs me, that's all.

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My vote is worth -1. The vote count was worth 3 apparently.
One of their votes must be worth 2 or was worth 2 at the time.
Either they haven't revealed that to us yet, or they are hiding it for a reason; they wanted to be lynched.

[ZEEnon]

I would support a massclaim.
I have a huge feeling that town is outnumbered by scum though ...

[ZEEnon]

I'm wondering about the microgoomba part.
I don't remember anything about those.

[ZEEnon]

Riceballtail should claim before sirdanilot whenever it's time.
I think we should lynch killa seven right now though.

[ZEEnon]

To confirm his vote, we need to have one person with a vote that is worth

one

to vote him now, correct?

[ZEEnon]

Mod: vote not counted, please unvote first

Kast did not unvote, therefore his vote was not counted. Please try again.

[ZEEnon]

NOW you can start asking for a vote count.

[ZEEnon]

I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't have two town-aligned players with a double vote, by the way.
Therefore, I have a feeling that one of them is lying.

[ZEEnon]

I am a

Monty Mole

. I'm a digging expert in Bowser's army.
I need to stop the Mushroom Kingdon from invading the castle.

Each night I am able to target one player to take underground with me.
That player's vote is multiplied by -1 for that day.

The first night I targeted Looker. Night two I targeted Kast. He can confirm.
Night three I targeted Gorrad. You can see hinting my target here:

I believe Gorrad's claim right now.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

Your vote number cannot be changed?

Night four I was awayand was unable to target anyone.
Lawrencelot started the day without waiting, which is understandable, I guess.

I win when non-Bowser aligned players are all gone.

[ZEEnon]

As for who claims next, I choose caf19.

[ZEEnon]

I hate the way he posts. It was a reason I replaced out of Notre Dame Mafia, no offense Kast.

[ZEEnon]

he claims to be playing to his win condition but clearly isn't helping the town, plus he's claimed to have an item list but no coins, and doesn't get any. That's very scummy.

I haven't been gaining any coins and I started off with the list and one coin.

[ZEEnon]

did you think he was scum zEE (in this game), or was it just a policy vote deprival?

I used it for pure annoyance. I also didn't read the game, so it might as well have been pure random.

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Out of curiosity, why do you always type my name with a small 'z' ?

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[ZEEnon]

This spike?
http://www.mariowiki.com/Spike_Top

This spike?
http://www.mariowiki.com/Red_Spike_Buzzy

This spike?
http://www.mariowiki.com/Spiky_Parabuzzy

This spike?
http://www.mariowiki.com/Lakilester

This spike?
http://www.mariowiki.com/Spike_(Mario_Tennis)

[ZEEnon]

The point i'm making is, the character would be specific. Time to lynch!

[ZEEnon]

OH. This Spike! :
http://www.mariowiki.com/Spike_%28creature%29

[ZEEnon]

I started with two votes, and can sacrifice voting power to vig a player. I did so N1 by killing Qwints. I haven't used it again since due to it costing me two votes and my likelihood of hitting scum being lowered thanks to getting two lynched and one vig'd.

So you can sacrifice a vote each night? What is the limit of times you can use this ability?

[ZEEnon]

If we see a ton of kills that happened during the night, we will speculate to how they occured, right?
Also, it prevents the town from targeting him as well.
If he explodes, AND a town exploded, that could mark the end of the game for us.

[ZEEnon]

Mod edit
Visible Votecount

Not voting (6): ZEEnon, sirdanilot, AceMarksman, Riceballtail, Kast, ortolan

With 6 alive it takes 4 real votes to lynch.

My top two suspects are Riceballtail and Kast.
ortolan is effectively clear in my eyes. (I knew Gorrad was real!)
I feel as if Kast is leading us astray using his leadership qualities.
He really wanted to get rid of Gorrad previously due to unbelieving his role.
I feel as if the fact that he couldn't accomplish that led him to NK Gorrad.

But I am very much willing to lynch ortolan, solely because of scumtells.

Gorrad cleared ortolan.

RBT also can't reasonably be MK based on the N1 MK kill, but likewise he could be third party.

Why not?

Also, I'd be okay with lynching from among the suspected third party members or ZEEnon. If there is 1 MK remaining, then I think it's probably slightly better to lynch ZEEnon, if there are more than 1 MK, then it's better to lynch one of the probable third party guys.

Yesterday you go around saying i'm town and then suddenly i'm the lynch? I think I see scum.

[ZEEnon]

Vote: ortolan

No idea why AceMarksman would vote the clear.

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon-
To be clear, you are implying that your vote is still worth -1RV and so it cancels AceM's vote?

No, I proceeded the vote ortolan after I condemned AceMarksman for doing so. [/sarcasm]
Of course it's still worth -1.

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon-
Who did you target last night?

I targetted caf19.

[ZEEnon]

In Riceballtail's defense, this sort of makes it seem like there would be a Red Parakoopa:

-Dubya WeyounsLastClone,

Green Koopa

(Bowser's Army), killed Night 2.
-pacman281292 semioldguy,

Green Parakoopa

(Bowser's Army), killed Night 2.
-Moratorium,

Red Koopa

(Bowser's Army), killed Night 3.

There was a Red Koopa and a Green Koopa. A Green Parakoopa was killed.
It would be a reasonable inference to think that there is a Red Parakoopa.

[ZEEnon]

My vote has remained the same the entire game.
I highly doubt that someone's vote would be changed without their knowledge.
Keep in mind that the visible vote counts mean nothing, and that the real vote counts are the ones that matter.

[ZEEnon]

I'm very sorry to hear that Lawrence and sirdan

You have my best wishes

Ort will message Flameaxe

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We are mod-less as of this moment.

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[ZEEnon]

That's very much appreciated, thank you.

[ZEEnon]

Right now I am confident that

sirdanilot

Nyx and ortolan are town. Still unsure about the rest.

[ZEEnon]

Can we lynch Riceballtail yet? I'm extremely confident that he/she is not sided with Bowser's army.

[ZEEnon]

By the way, that's more of a statement than a question. I want Riceballtail lynched.
I said it in the form of a question because I don't have voting power. Also,

Unvote.

[ZEEnon]

I don't see any reason why Riceballtail would choose to kill Qwints when he was on the Shadow Knight wagon.
There have been other small things that have gradually made me more weary of him/her over time.
I don't disapprove of an AceMarksman lynch, but due to his catching of the first couple scum,
I think it's safe to concluded that he is third party. That or he just really likes bussing.

[ZEEnon]

Just because I asked for populartajo's suspicions doesn't mean that I trusted him.

[ZEEnon]

Why does it take so long to answer a simple question?

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon-
-Same question, why did you choose each player that you chose?

I don't want to go back and see why I targeted Looker/ThAdmiral, but I probably didn't trust he/she having a vote.
I think some people were pairing Looker/ThAdmiral with Shadow Knight, therefore I targetted him because of SK's flip.

As for you, I did it due to a dislike of your posts. I like them now since I actually know what you are talking about.
I didn't like them in Notre Dame mafia either, and you were scum.

I targetted Gorrad because he was last on the millar13 wagon. I don't even remember millar13 being allowed to claim.

[ZEEnon]

Nothing has changed my opinions, but i'd like some more discussion.
AceMarksman is scum. Riceballtail is scum. ortolan is town. Nyx is town. Kast is a wildcard. Any disagreements?

[ZEEnon]

Why did you target Caf (

unless you're just being honest and admitting that you NKed caf

)?

I'm not sure what you are trying to infer by the bolded part, but I targeted caf19 because I was suspicious of him/her.
This is evident when I wanted him/her to claim right after me.

[ZEEnon]

Uh...paragoombas die to both fire and shells.

Incorrect. Paragoomba is the flying one, I assume.
Therefore, I would think that shells are unable to reach them in the air.

[ZEEnon]

He voted me with his double vote without giving prior knowledge about it.
That is/was fairly scummy in my eyes, as it could have resulted in me getting lynched instead.

[ZEEnon]

I have nothing to say except that you are wrong about me.
Well, either wrong or purposely feigning your suspicion of me.

[ZEEnon]

I'm sorry but i'm going to be V/LA from the 31st until the 5th at most starting today; very short notice.

[ZEEnon]

Sorry for being late, I will comment more once I come back from my exam this evening.

[ZEEnon]

Sorry I didn't post when I said I would, I went to an anime convention that I didn't even realize was coming. /nerd

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Nothing interesting happened. ortolan just keeps looking more and more prot-town.
I'm STILL waiting for Riceballtail to be lynched. AceMarksman wouldn't be bad; I think they are both scum.

[ZEEnon]

I think that's the lynch.

[ZEEnon]

I knew Riceballtail was scum. I should have stuck with my idea that one of Gorrad/Kast had to be scum though.