Mind if I catch up first? Instead of holding the mod up too much waiting on me I used the commune and just picked DGB figuring if anyone was more insane then me it would be her.iLord wrote:Oh yeah, farside needs to claim all night actions immediately, methinks.
Didn't chao claim all his actions? Is there a reason you want more then just my night 3 action?iLord wrote:Unfortunately, no. I'm going to have to ask you to claim right now, before you read.farside wrote:Mind if I catch up first? Instead of holding the mod up too much waiting on me I used the commune and just picked DGB figuring if anyone was more insane then me it would be her.
Then lynch me. I refuse to be baited without knowing all the facts.iLord wrote:It leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be doing this (especially since farside was nice enough to replace into a 92 page game), but I guess we gotta do what we gotta doVP wrote:Your slot is under suspicion. This will either clear you or damn you and the more you stall, the worse it looks. Claim in your next post.. It doesn't look good at all that farside stalled.
Then lynch me. I'm not a mind reader. I looked at him in iso and apparently he claimed already N1, N2 and on N3 he searched the Occult books. So what are you looking for from me?VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, you're scum. Sorry you replaced into that slot farside, but that's how it goes. You have absolutely no reason to hide your night actions other than not wanting to contradict your predecessor's story.
I gave you a legitimate reason why you need to claim them. The person you replaced is under suspicion because of PoE with night actions and vote counts. It's legit. This is your last chance to claim and quit stalling.
And I agree with iLord that it's unfortunate because you're a great player for replacing into such a large game, but it's what needs to be done.
By the way the bold is what a player choses when he has to pick an insanity. chao nor myself picked it.iLord wrote:We have too many people to lynch and not enough lynches. Would we rather lynchMurderertoday or Cultist?
Not if I want to see if my predecessor already claimed and now I want to try and figure out why your asking for me to claim something he already claimed.iLord wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to look at my ISO? Or the actual game thread?farside wrote:To see if there was a valid reason why you were asking for my claims.
Isn't it conventional to ask replacements for night actions so we can see if they correlate with their predecessor?
VP Baltar wrote:You can feign anger all you like. Asking you to confirm info you wouldn't know is a very legitimate form of scumhunting. Sure, Chaco COULD have lied, but town lying is definitely not the norm and given the complexity of this game I think he'd have a fair deterrant not to. It's simply not a legitimate argument to make.farside22 wrote:No offense when I state this but I really find people who try to trip up a replacement to claim when their predessor already claim the lowest form of scum hunting. You want to lynch me because my predessor claimed already and you want to see if I claimed something different.
No matter what you think about me as a player I really despise people that take advantage of a player that replaces in.
I personal have seen players I replace give false info and be town. So don't give me shit for checking out chaco.
You want to nail me as some scum suspect give me a case to look at, don't waste my time being a dick to a replacement.
iLord, my robbing list tonight reads: dram, Elli, farside22
Lynch Plum today.
And I see no reason to claim coming in as a replacement. I have seen scum try and trip up town players and I have seen town trip up scum with that tactic. You consider me a noob and insult my intelligence and I will call you the name of Clyde.VP Baltar wrote:Except for the part where I did.farside wrote:Whatever you say clyde. You didn't answer why you wanted me to claim after my predessor already claimed so I know at that point what your trying to do.
PoE = Process of Elimination, btw.
And ftr, I don't expect you to read the whole game and you're not getting lynched today. The point is, however, that you've repeatedly fought down a legitimate request for no real reason other than the unlikely fact that Chaco lied as town...so...how would you read that as town?
And my name isn't clyde.
Anyhow, I'm finished with this argument.
Waiting for the rest of the people to show up now. Plum, do you have anything to say?
So the people asking me to claim when my predessor already claimed are just proven jerks. So noted.DrippingGoofball wrote:@ farside - this game has unique mechanics. Everyone has been claiming everything every day, since Day1.
Considering I saw 3 known cultist who did agree and just claimed I would like to know how Adel knew this Which implied in my view you wanted an insanity and doesn't explain why you laundered if that was not your goal.Also, I decided to Launder myself, and I chose Avolition because I essentially, over the period of the game, seem really scummy in every game I play, as well as I always seem to find townies scummy. By day 4, I should have some info to make an informed decision.
I will rob a grave tonight. I saw the thoughts on ani doing this. I see some people think since my predessor murdered stat that he became a murder.semioldguy wrote:@iLord
You don't gain insanity for resuscitating someone else, only for being resuscitated.
If the town doesn't lynch Plum I'd prefer to see both her and farside robbing graves tonight
mod wrote:Night Actions that target a character will often make noise. If your character is the target of at least one of Pass Fetish, Craft Fetish, Resuscitate, Investigate, Ward or Stalk, or if your character performs the Ward action, you will receive the message "You heard Noise in the night" upon the start of the next Day. You will receive the same message, even if multiple noisy actions target you.
If I had stalked more then one person I would say lynch me know and kill me, but that is not the case and as I said each insanity I have is provable.mod wrote:Prerequisite: You must have targetted them with Stalk the previous night. You also cannot take this action for a second time unless you have the insanity Psychopathy.
Checked the results and the mod does not meantion anything about hearing any noise while I was doing the commune.kunkstar7 wrote:It should be in your night 4 results. If you really did not get a noise message then we have some issues. Are you referring to night 4 or from previous nights in your reread?farside22 wrote:By the way I never received a message that I heard noise so Pom's lying her little butt off if she says she stalked me last night.
vote: Pom
LaL
still reading
Me I can say I didn't think about it. I wanted to get the res kit till I found out I was permantly bloody (can't launder *curses chaco's name) so getting a kit is useless. I saw him search the book N3 so I figured I would just continue in that order and pick someone I have a tough read on in most games.iLord wrote:Chaco/you could've grave robbed at any time and picked up another insanity.farside wrote:If I had stalked more then one person I would say lynch me know and kill me, but that is not the case and as I said each insanity I have is provable.
Well too bad. You didn't have a reason to ask me about past night actions after a the player I replaced claim. If you don't like me bitching at you for trying that tactic you can take it in the *blank, blank, blank * and then *blank, blank, blank, blank* with it all day long.iLord wrote:Actually, I wasn't that suspicious of Chaco because the Start kill was quite appropriate. Asking farside immediately to claim was just a precaution, and now I really don't like how she reactedKunk wrote:In practice Taboo(Launder) is an unprovable insanity. From what I remember Chaco's kill of start was a "vigkill". The main reason your slot is under suspicion is because of the claimed kill which leads to murderer and unstated night actions, also the lurking didn't help much.
My clothes are permently bloody with that insanity. I'm not scum (case if you have one? still waiting......)Characters may get blood on their clothes from the Resuscitate and Murder actions, as well as from The Ritual. The Investigate action can detect blood. The Launder action will clean the blood away. You will be told when you become Bloody.
I saw he claimed N0, N1 and N2 so I was a bit suspicious on why I was asking to reclaim everything all over again.kunkstar7 wrote:farside22 wrote:Well too bad. You didn't have a reason to ask me about past night actions after a the player I replaced claim. If you don't like me bitching at you for trying that tactic you can take it in the *blank, blank, blank * and then *blank, blank, blank, blank* with it all day long.iLord wrote:Actually, I wasn't that suspicious of Chaco because the Start kill was quite appropriate. Asking farside immediately to claim was just a precaution, and now I really don't like how she reactedKunk wrote:In practice Taboo(Launder) is an unprovable insanity. From what I remember Chaco's kill of start was a "vigkill". The main reason your slot is under suspicion is because of the claimed kill which leads to murderer and unstated night actions, also the lurking didn't help much.
Sorry Farside but iLord is correct. Everyone has been claiming all night actions since N3, I think maybe before that as well. Chaco was one of the few people that did not provide any information. I actually argued that we should wait in Day 4 for Chaco to be replaced to ask his slot to claim then, but it didn't happen, so your slot needed to claim immediately. You may not have realized or whatever, but in everyone else's eyes you were defying what is established protocol in this game so far.
I'm ranting to the ghost/replacement of Adel? What else can I do when I find someone scummy?Why is farside asking questions to players who aren't in this game anymore?
I thought since morph was told to grave rob start night 1 and then lynched later because of becoming a potentional murder that it would be best for me to do and be lynched later before I do become a murder.If you're town, you won't graverob tonight.
So far not on my scale but I'm on page 13. Adel (fur) is #1 suspect.As for a for changing my view...it's called reconsidering. How is this helping you scum hunt or be relevant to the current game at all?
Some are notes and some are questions. I like to get everything down in the game I find relevent.Don't get me wrong, it's great that you're reading the whole game, but it's rather unnecessary to post your notes in the thread when all of this stuff is light years ago.
If this was true and according to what I read on page one I should have heard a noise being stalked.Plum wrote:Hey guys.
There goes my plan to stalk and murder Chaco-Farside. And it seems it was a pretty good one too, considering the fact that Percy is quite clear with giving a replacement the predecessors actions, as I know from experience; the only half-decent excuse of hers, that she's seen people give false replacing-in info as Town has got to be complete bull. So we can lynch her now if you like or let me kill her, whatever works for you.
And I took Taboo: Launder. I was never interested in spending a Night Laundering once I got Bloody anyway, so.
How do you come up with this as your reason for pooping Elli's idea? Why do you assume that all the scum will be picked in this case to do the shooting?vp wrote:It's the scummiest plan I've heard in this game. Allowing six cult members plus however many people want to go murderer dictate a large list of likely Investigators to die on night 1 is an idea that would only come from scum.
What was the difference between Adel's plan and Elli's?vp wrote:And why is that? It's not even close to fundamentally the same plan. His had the chance of working, yours is almost guaranteed to result in a town loss.
DGBpost 771 why did you vote for Nico in this post?EK wrote:If Elli is telling the truth about stalking, he wants to win as a murderer. Players who want to win with the town would NOT have chosen stalk last night. They just wouldn't have.
If Elli is lying about stalk, he is cult. I can totally see the motivation for a cult player to "prove" they're not cult by pretending to stalk. Then suggest a plan where they can convince the town to vig themselves.
agreed.Magna wrote:Ellibereth is a strange case. I went through up until page 23 suspecting Ellibereth of being cult. Got to the stalking admission. I continue to believe that Ellibereth is cult, and that the stalking confession was done simply as a way of getting town credibility. I find it interesting that a lot of people were very suspicious about Animorph, up until the Aversion was proven, but very few have reacted the same way with Ellibereth. I'll get to that later.
So you just followed someone else's reasoning. Good to know.semioldguy wrote:Yeah... Click on post 964 again.
Referring to iLord's post 797 which was more briefly summarized in Post 730 as "#678: Feels like he has to explain why he's unvoting Ani - scummy."semioldguy 964 wrote:iLord is spot on about the unvote post. It is a good tell and one I really like.
I haven't caught up. I was told when I got in that I was replacing a scummy spot. I would like to know what the case is? Is this really difficult? Should I ask the mod to include a rule that states that players can not be dick's to replacements?iLord wrote:There are none?farside wrote:I still haven't got to the case on chaco. Anyone want to some up what the charges are?
drench wrote:On CSL L+1'ing: The difference between L and his L+1 was 2 minutes. I would say that it's feasible that CSL simply didn't see Nico's self-hammer. Makes it more a null-tell more than anything.
ummmm why is morph alive? Actually he's still considered an investigated but well on his way to murder.Hayker wrote:*twitches*
I was murdered last night, but obviously saved as well. Looks like animorv decided to try to kill me...
Bawhahahahhahahahahahaha. bawhahahahahahahahaCSL wrote:Didn't use an action = auto-launder.
Hence two insanities.
I can prove 2 out of 3 insanities. I can't prove launder but I was checked by someone who stated I was not bloody N1 (it was evil if I remember correctly) Sooooo this means I did not kill anyone N1. All I know is I didn't hear a noise last night. This either means murder plum is lying about her target or cultist plum is lying about her action to cover up her insanity.kunkstar7 wrote:At this point the wincon for murderers is only three dead, assuming that vikingfan had 2 kills. Since murderers can double up on bodies it is possible that plum is stalking her third kill right now, and with Chaco a possible murderer it makes sense for her to target farside.farside22 wrote:Why would plum "stalk" someone they know isn't the cultist? I mean shouldn't the priority be cultist first? If someone took murder then they have a big climb to try and get the wincon, which at this point seems way outside the posibilities at this point. There was 3 murders night 1 and only 1 night 2 (which chaco) did. Isn't the wincon for murders like 6 dead bodies. I would think the cultist would want to kill any potentional murders before a town player would and I also believe a potentional murder in the making would want to kill someone they believed was a murder.
Plum's views don't make sense from a town prospective.
Yet her claiming to rez Hayker makes it unlikely that she is murderer yet. Did anyone else claim a rez on Hayker? Unfortunately night actions weren't claimed for N0 so we can't know if any of the dead from N1 had a rez kit at that point, but my assumption is if no one else claimed a rez on Hayker then Plum is probably town right now and Farside should be the lynch, just for lying about noises if Plum really did stalk Farside. Actually, lynch farside, commune Plum again, and if she has more insanities than VP or iLord again then we got ourselves the next lynch, as she has no explanation for another insanity besides stalking again, which a townPlum would have no reason for.
evilsnail wrote:I investigated Chaco last night. He wasn't bloody, which means that, if he killed start, he didn't participate in the ritual N1.
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I'm just saying that I'm not a murder. I've done one kill (chaco did) your just as likely a murder as me (read the post where you confessed to the Adel hit). I checked DGB with my commune. I had 2 insanities before the commune and I received a result that DGB is not more insane then me. She can confirm her own sanity. Sure it means I'm higher then her but how would I know that if I didn't check her. It means (1) I havent' stalked anyone (2) killed anyone but start. If I was a murder then stalking from Chaco on N3 would make sense. Not breaking out the commune book.kunkstar7 wrote:But that doesn't mean you don't have more than 3 insanities. That's essentially what is happening here with Plum. She stated she only had one insanity but commune shows a discrepancy with the claimed insanities. So just because you can prove you have 2 insanities that does not guarantee you don't have more. Not sure what the Night 1 bloody has to do with anything, because you aren't really under consideration for cult at this point.Farside22 wrote:I can prove 2 out of 3 insanities. I can't prove launder but I was checked by someone who stated I was not bloody N1 (it was evil if I remember correctly) Sooooo this means I did not kill anyone N1. All I know is I didn't hear a noise last night. This either means murder plum is lying about her target or cultist plum is lying about her action to cover up her insanity.
Also, blah missed the fact that occults get destroyed on "more than" results.
Well I know she's lying but I think proving to the town this wouldn't hurt. I'm just wondering why Plum is lying now. She saves herself being lynched today trying to do something she calls "pro-town" ..........Magua wrote:Sorry about the multipost -- I stupidly hit Submit before I had added everything.
100%, one of you two is scum. I simply find Plum's night action history to be more pro-town than Chaco's.farside22 wrote:And the problem Manga is I didn't hear a noise last night which means Plum is lying about targeting me.
I double checked with the mod becuase maybe I missed something in his flavoring when I checked DGB.
He confirmed I heard no noise. I would like to know why Plum is lying or if anyone can explain why I didn't hear a noise.
If what you say is true (that you heard no noise last night), then FYPOV Plum did not stalk you and you're in no danger of dying tonight due to Plum. FMPOV, there's a huge difference between a tomorrow where you've been murdered and a tomorrow where you haven't been, and I'm curious to see which one occurs.
semi post 1900 I disagree in some part if the town forces people to take averision and say player X take aversion to player Y and you think one of them may be cult with the other then this finds 2 cults in one catch as they can not target each other and they need to have an excuse why they didn't.dramonic wrote:Commune, got a town result. Should I claim on who?
(hint, it's not on Sly)
What happened to this view?Ok, the only issue is that we would have to decide on a person to be murdered, thus a murderer can hide behind that choice, similar to what Drench was trying with having the same target as Ani. My concern is what happens if a second murderer also targets the same person? Does that count as a kill for them? The good thing is an Investigator can only kill once without taking Psychopathy, so if any "pro-town" player kills twice, they should be summarily lynched.
Furcolow wrote:At this point, I don't even care if I'm suspicious. I'm an investigator with 1 insanity, so I am valuable to the town.
Players like Ellibereth, Viking Fan, even YOU are a lot more suspicious than I am and are much easier to lynch than I.
No one believes me. I'm willing to let the truth come out tomorrow (since I will be alive tomorrow and shown that I was not stalked).VP Baltar wrote:But wouldn't that have also stopped her from participating in the ritual if she's cult?Farside wrote:I also felt that she personally took an infraction during I think day 2 so she wouldn't have to rob graves.
Also, wouldn't you want plum dead today if you're town? I don't understand a switch if you KNOW she's lying scum.
No one should Rezz me. I did not hear a noise so I will not be dead. Once I'm alive tomorrow you should be along with me lynching the lying Plum.iLord wrote:Ugh, no time to put into this game.
I still haven't decided between Plum and Farside, and so, it'd be infinitely preferable to have Plum murder Farside. Unfortunately, if Farside ends up alive still, we don't know if Farside was rezzed or Plum was lying =/.
I don't think we're behind any if farside doesn't die tomorrow, so at worst we'd just be a in situation like today. At best, night actions could possibly tell us way more. I'm up for lynching DGB, having Plum vig farside, and then having Elli, Magua, and kunkstar graverob (We could technically do one more person, but I'd rather save the body, since I can't see anyone else who would be good).
So I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.iLord wrote:If farside's scum, then she won't bother to rob the grave as she's dying anyway.
If farside's town, we don't want her to waste the body.
I was thinking something along those lines - I might've missed something, though.
You stated that if I'm scum I won't bother robbing graves.iLord wrote:I seriously doubt that that's the case.dramonic wrote:I'm against any of the Grave-Robbers taking avolition.
If none of our lynch and graverobbers are cultists we end up ridiculously close to a LyLo case, three days in a row.
I don't get what you mean by the first part.farside wrote:So I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
I'm going to be alive tomorrow I hope you have a really good explanation why.
PLEASE DO NOT TARGET ME FOR A REZ TONIGHT. I DID NOT HEAR A NOISE.
The point of this was to test for the scenario that Plum is investigator telling the truth. Tomorrow, we'll be in the same situation as today, minus one possibility.
If no one Rez's me and they should not then how will there be a contradiction? If someone says they rez'ed me they should be lynched too.iLord wrote: It's not up to me to provide an explanation - it'd be up to Plum, likely. And in all likelihood, your stories will contradict once more and we'll still be in the same position where one of you must be scum. Right now I don't want to lynch either of you on the chance that Plum's investigator with a stalk on you, we'd have wasted a lynch no matter whether we choose to lynch her or you.
I don't get you at all. Why are you giving excuses for tomorrow if you believe Plum today.iLord wrote:Plum has to claim that you were rezzed, if you are still alive tomorrow.farside wrote:If no one Rez's me and they should not then how will there be a contradiction? If someone says they rez'ed me they should be lynched too.
And this makes less sense considering that myself and chaco both claimed to the kill on Start.iLord wrote:Rezzer would be Cultist. Plum could not be Cultist at that point, and Farside is would likely be Cultist (It doesn't make too much sense for the scum to save the death of an Investigator/Murderer and then have us mislynch that same player. It's sort of the same deal with CSL).kunk wrote:iLord, what would be your opinion if Plum claimed that she attempted the kill but apparently Farside was rezzed, and someone else claims the rez? What would you think of Plum, Farside, and the claimed rezz'er?
I didn't hear a noise. I see most people believe Plum over myself and the noise situation. I know since I didn't hear a noise that I will be alive. So anyone giving the WIFOM on this makes my sensor go up. I have already asked repeatedly not to rez me. If anyone believes Plum tomorrow once I'm alive I'm going to be even more suspicious about it. I am betting with some of the nay sayers that Plum will flip cultist.iLord wrote:You honestly baffle me just as much. Weren't you the one who asked me about tomorrow and the contradiction?farside wrote:I don't get you at all. Why are you giving excuses for tomorrow if you believe Plum today.
That's a good point - I see what Kunk was getting at here. It won't make little sense for Cult to rezz you as either Town or Murderer, but you almost definitely are not Cultist because of the start kill. If you're alive tomorrow, things are not looking good for Plum.farside wrote:And this makes less sense considering that myself and chaco both claimed to the kill on Start.
And back in Kunk's scenario, I'd mark the rezzer as illogical, Plum as a murderer, and farside as town/murderer.
I didn't hear a noise. I'm willing to let the lying Plum live because most people do not believe me even though Chaco told the truth about who he killed. You still have a possible 2 murders (those that killed N1) that are lying or hiding and you want to lynch one of me or her because you think we are murders without proof.semioldguy wrote:Why does either conclusion draw the other as likely town? If Plum murders farside, she could be a murder and the town is just handing her a kill. If farside22 lives, this doesn't make her automatically town.
If Plum kills her, then it's another person to put on grave robbing duty forever. We aren't going to have enough bodies to ensure that none of these claimed killers don't go murderer in addition to other potential murders out there who are already doing their thing.
So even if Plum kills her, we are likely going to have to lynch her as she will have the only claimed kill that also allows her to have part of another existing kill and therefore the most potentially dangerous to town of all the claimed killers. Graverobbing isn't even safe for Plum anymore if she murders farside22, since if it is her second kill than she just ignores the turn she has to grave rob and wins. We'd have to lynch her if she kills farside22. If she doesn't kill farside22, we are going to have to lynch her also. It's going to happen either way.
Let's just lynch her.