Star Wars Mafia (Game Over)

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote FC Groningen[/b[

Hoi kaaskop!

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote FC Groningen[/b[

Hoi kaaskop!

Oh my, note to self: do not psot before morning coffee.

Vote FC Groningen

[Dragon Phoenix]

.....

Vote FC Groningen

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote: dragon pheonix

for failing twice.

At least spell the name right when you accuse someone of failing.....

[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote FC Groningen

Vote killa seven

Nothing like a good old mindless bandwagon on day one.

[Dragon Phoenix]

My original vote on FC Groningen was without any purpose, but his recent posts smell scummy to me. In particular his attempt to derail the leading bandwagon, which can be either because it was on a scum buddy or more likely if the wagon rolled on and if we would find out we lynched a townie he would say day two that he was against that lynch and focus on the wagoners. His "not time to vote, vote:" action also does not sit well with me.

Unvote killa seven
Vote FC Groningen

[Dragon Phoenix]

This is just weird. Day one, and without substantial pressure (L-1) we already have two players claiming?

I need a re-read, but I don't like this at all.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, the two claimed masons should get a free pass until the end game obviously, looking at them now is a waste of time. The claimed day vig role is a little less convincing (and rather ill advised to come out like this), but for now I am going him the benefit of the doubt. I don't like the role fishing going on by several players, but for now I am still sticking with FC G as the most scummy player so far. Vote stays.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, that backfired.

So is this just a bluff and is the mod playing the game along, or is it a "naive" dayvig role? Or is hp daykill immune? Godfather perhaps?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote hp [leaves]

I don't buy it.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I think you're immune for day kills, as a SK or GF. If you are town, I don't understand your vote on Kast.

[Dragon Phoenix]

No, we think he is a bulletproof scumbag (GF or SK). Claiming to be bulletproof is not that difficult after a shot just passed him by. But bulletproof =/ by definition townie. Your attempt to derail iis duly noted though.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I think you're immune for day kills, as a SK or GF. If you are town, I don't understand your vote on Kast.

My reason for being on the lynch wagon yesterday.

The night actions give me no real new insights. I tend to come back to FC Groningen whom I considered the scummiest yesterday, but I will do a re-read first.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote DragonsofSummer

If lurking is an art, you are a grandmaster.

[Dragon Phoenix]

[DOS] just comes back every 5 days and says 'Sry I'll post more.'
I don't think prods will work. Just replace him, please. Thx.

+1.

-2

This is typical

scum lurking

. I am all for replacing people who drop off the game altogether, but here I think the chance of him being scum is pretty good.

for the rest, has this game changed so much in the years I did not play? What's with all the claiming going on? I had hoped that after day one we would have a bit more collective sense, but here we go again (even apart from the reasoning for the choice for investigation which I think is ludicrous).

Vote stays.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote DragonsofSummer

Unfortunately that's going nowhere. I would prefer more clarity from bv310 before I vote for anyone else.

Tomorrow I will have more time and do a player by player analysis.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Wreck Star is the obvious lynch today, but let's not rush. More discussion is good, especially since probably a few of us will get killed the coming night.

First input from me on the remaining players:

ReaperCharlie

- contributing, I sense a scum hunting attitude from his posts, Most likely town.

d3x

- regular contributions, nothing particularly standing out, except an error in quoting that I think scum would be more careful about. Read for the time being: neutral.

DragonsofSummer

- one good post after being accused of scum-lurking. For the time being, I still think his attitude until then was scummy and not absentee lurking. Pinging on the DP scummometer as possible scum.

FC Groningen

- My prime candidate from day one, and I still don't like his early posts. More appetiting possibilities have come along since then. Read for the time being: neutral with scum tendencies.

CryMeARiver

- I have serious issues with the play style here, and I have difficulty to see why

Yoda

would be limited to a one shot investigation. For the time being, no need to lynch but keep in mind that he is not a cleared townie at all. It might even be that Yoda has been given as a safe claim to scum.

More later.

[Dragon Phoenix]

semioldguy

- his posts seen in isolation smell like town to me.

Scott Brosius

- reminds me of my own contributions so far. Townish.

Toon Fighter

- lurking almost as bad as savethedragons, but less scummy in his pattern. No read.

More later.

[Dragon Phoenix]

My head exploded reading the last 12 hours or so. Unless there is a general redirecting role (which would be bastard modding in my book), I agree that day vigging Wreck Star is the way to go (and that was the way yesterday as well). i don't like how votes piled up on Wreck Star where we still have a day vig to take care of prime suspects.

On a side note, I am starting to see why a lot of players do not like hydra's. Slipping into posting with your own account rather than the hydra messes things up in a post by player analysis (and it had me searching whom xRECKONERx had replaced).

I hope to finish my player-by-player analysis this weekend.

[Dragon Phoenix]

[Starbuck]

On Dragon Phoenix

CryMeARiver

- I have serious issues with the play style here, and I have difficulty to see why

Yoda

would be limited to a one shot investigation. For the time being, no need to lynch but keep in mind that he is not a cleared townie at all. It might even be that Yoda has been given as a safe claim to scum.

You realize that this is NOT what he claimed. He claimed to be Yoda,

Jack of All Trades

via this post.

Why are you misrepresenting him?

Unless there is a general redirecting role (which would be bastard modding in my book)

Why is a redirector a bastard modding role to you?

*This is just my curiosity, not game-related*

Well, he repeatedly claimed to have a one-shot investigatiom ability. I skipped over the jackofalltrades thing, as I did not recognize that as a generic role name, My bad.

A single role redirector would be fine, what I was trying to refer to was a role that mixes up all night choices at the same time.

[Dragon Phoenix]

What's with all the votes? We have a day vig to take care of the main suspect!

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote Wreck Star

[Dragon Phoenix]

I have both semioldguy and Scott Brosius down as likely town in my analysis - what am I missing?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, that makes sense. If he indeed had a track result, it would be normal to share that and try to get confirmation as a tracker (be it with the wrong alignment). I must learn to take coffee before I look at scum in the morning.

Vote SoG

[Dragon Phoenix]

Planning a re-read and analysis tomorrow.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, it just literally took me 30 minutes to log in and get this thread to open. Searching for TS's post in isolation resulted in the system freezing on me. The re-read will have to wait once more.

(not even sure that it will post this)

[Dragon Phoenix]

Player-by-player analysis, site permitting. In vire of the post problems I will post one by one.

Toon Fighter

Two posts stood out:

bump

[anti-prod post]

Well, looking at CMaR's claim, I think the best move as town would be to lynch him. If he turns up innocent, then we just lynched a (now vanilla) townie and confirmed farside as innocent. If he turns up guilty, then we have just lynched scum. What do you think?

This is just plain awful.

I haven't posted much, but I have been following the game.

As others have pointed out, that is lurking in broad daylight.

Conclusion: not helpful for the town, but I have difficulty imagining scum to come up with such a suggestion as he did.

Read: town, not helpful, but town.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Just a quick reminder to self:

wolframnhart

claimed mason with C3PO, solid.

bv310

claimed Luke Skywalker, investigator
Given the results and the role name, as surely town as it gets.

Possiblity: bv310 may have been kept alive to check on Scott Brosius (logical choice), if SB is the Godfather of the empire.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Scott Brosius

I still don't see where the suspicion mentioned yesterday by some players is coming from. Re-reading I don't get any scum vibes. Contributing, be it marginally (well, I can hardly complain about that), no scum tells that I can see. Main suspicion is that the investigator was kept alive (SB Godfather?), although there are obviously other explanations for that as well.

Conclusion/Read: for the time being I still have him down as townie.

[Dragon Phoenix]

danakillsu

Has not posted since 3 May which of course does not make a read easier. There are small things that set off my scumdar a bit. In particular his attempts to make bv310 unbelievable. I'm still far from convinced though, and definitely want to hear more from him or a replacement.

Conclusion/Read: for the time being I have him down as townie with some scummy overtones.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Kthxbye (DragonsofSummer)

With the excessive lurking of DoS, not a lot to go on.

I'll have my thoughts coming soon enough guys. Replaced in and then RL said "eff you! you have other stuff to do besides MS". I feel like I have a read on a few players I think most likely scum from my initial read through, but I'll have to jot down the why's before I go and vote one. Stay tuned!

We will wait for this then.

Read: impossible to read for lack of posts.

[Dragon Phoenix]

FC Groningen

I was not happy with his posts day one, and in hindsight, this is even more interesting:

Ohh before I forget, there is of course the bandwagon on Wreckstar, but as far as I see it, its completely random, or based on the fact that he is acting rather hostile.

Trying to fend off a wagon on fellow scum?

Later posts were more redeeming with some scum hunting tendencies.

Last real post 28 April, posted 3 May to announce absence until 7 May.

Read: townish/scummish, but need his view on recent happenings.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Kast

Claimed day vig and proved it (unless the mod is bamboozling us). Would be a VERY ballsy claim to do this as scum, even with a day kill ability. For the time being no reason to assume anything but town.

And that will be all for today. I will try to do the other 8 tomorrow, site willing.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Real life interfered yesterday, try tonight or tomorrow night. I'll give d3x top rio given recent developments.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I was doing

danakillsu

in isolation just now when Chrome ate my post with my notes, and I agree about the general scumminess. I had been making a case for a scummy alignment of dana with hp [leaves] based on dana's posts, when I finally remembered that hp [leaves] was a lone anti-town player. Post 903 on the other hand very much smells town to me. I am moving him to the likely town category for now. next (I hope tonight): d3x.

[Dragon Phoenix]

That's L-2. I would suggest waiting for a fullclaim from hp[leaves] before anymore votes on him. hp, go right ahead...

This one. Sounded to me like fellow scum with safe claims.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I know my participation has not been stellar, but starting this weekend I should have more time. Hopefully the site will cooperate then.

[Dragon Phoenix]

*hops off the fence*

Looking at d3x, I must say that the accusations in post 874 are pretty solid, and not defended well.

Vote d3x

And

slicey[/c], care to elaborate on post 957? Why are you pretty sure they are both town?

[Dragon Phoenix]

I gave my reason. Since you are apparently concerned about a lynch -2 situation, how about you share why you think he is town? Or is this is an attempt for a last minute derailment of a wagon on your scum buddy?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Absent 2-12 June due to business trip, unclear whether I will have internet access.

If you want to replace me, go ahead (it also appears that players demand far more time spent on the game than I am used to from the past).

[Dragon Phoenix]

-What is the flavor tie between your role and your ability?
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Oh yeah, and this. I have enough fuel to fly to a nearby planet and return but that's it. So I draw the conclusion that the idea is that I'm transporting a player from my planet to a nearby one and returning with a different player that was on that planet. Is that what you were looking for?

I don't like your reasoning about your choice (picking a confirmed town instead of any other player as potential kill target simply does not make sense).

But I really don't buy thiss flavour. Why would the other player be on that planet? It simply does not make sense, and I think you screwed up your claim.

Unvote, vote danakillsu

[Dragon Phoenix]

I know I am skipping some questions asked of me, I'll address those later.

[Dragon Phoenix]

@DP- Are you planning on answering my p965?

Not particularly, I though these were pretty strong accusations, and I try to get a gut feeling from the response in such a case. My gut did not suggest you were town.


I thought there was also a question somewhere about why I chose the sequence of my players' in iso review. There was not specific reasoning behind it, I started with a few easy ones, and got stuck due to time pressure before I finished.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Flavor should fit the flavor of the theme. This one does not IMO. Vote stays.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I don't like your reasoning about your choice (picking a confirmed town instead of any other player as potential kill target simply does not make sense).

Look. I could have chosen another player, but they could very well have been someone better than farside, someone with an actual PR, which I was pretty sure farside didn't have. I thought I would be able to downgrade the mafia groups' choice of THC, a mason, to a VT.

I don't like this either. It is lke a vig saying, you know what, I better kill a townie because I might hit a power role otherwise. That's simply awful play.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Sticking with my vote, I still think the flavour does not fit. The vezopiraka actions are weird (but so have a lot of earlier actions by others been, claims left right and centre) but they do not come over scummy to me.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Not necessarily. He had plenty of time, there was no reason to post 1061, so he could simply check. If anything, I would expect scum to be more careful.

If this is not a mod error (I once misspelled the name of a role in one of my games, although it was a small error - it got the recipient lynched) it IS extremely sloppy play one way or the other.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I have access on a fairly regular basis in the hotel I am staying in. Stupid lynch, interesting night (in)action.
Post 1109 is typically a scum trying to sound town in my book, and strengthens my read one dana.
No vote yet.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I still think dana is scum for the same reasons as yesterday, but I doubt that I will get sufficient support for that lynch today either. After this investigation result, first things first:

Vote: d3x

[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote

Out of blaze, dana, and DP, there are at least 2 scum.

Actually, I agree with this (to be precise, 2, not at least 2).

Kthxbye moves into the 99.999% town category.

I'd be happiest to lynch dana, who is the more likely candidate for jabba scum, but even though the evidence is not 100% proof, I'd support a blaze lynch as well.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Granted, this is the very first large game I have played in many many years, but I have never seen so many strange plays, most strikingly:

- unrequisited claims left right and centre from the start onwards
- townies lying about their role

Also, I was flabbergasted that lurker hunting, a valid tactics right form the start of the internet version in 2000, is now suddenly a scum tell.

Simply checking my old games would show you that:
- I always hunt for lurkers
- I rarely post long contributions
Which does not mean that my play in this game clears me, but to use those to say I am scum is ridiculous.

With so many claims in the open, I will not wait until L-1 and save time, especially as my ability is useless given the suspicion many of you have. And we are at the stage that a mass claim is fine with me anyway.

I am Wedge Antilles, commander of Rogue Squadron. I am unnightklliable. And inter alia, I was in the battle of Hoth.

To the game: It makes sense that one of the cleared suspicious players has a high chance of being a GF, but we can deal with that later.

No vote yet, I first want to see who else will claim.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I did spot thre possible connection between my ability and a GF, thank you, I am not that dense. I also could not have mentioned my night ability at all, since it is extremely unlikely to be tested.

[Dragon Phoenix]

@DP:

What's the flavour justification for being unNKable?

I don't think we should lynch anyone until this question is answered. Wedge is one of those characters that's going to be expected, like Chewie, so it would make sense as a solid fakeclaim.

Basically, since I survived so many battles I survive night attacks.

As the commander I guess my ability is nightly rather than one shot as for the others.

[Dragon Phoenix]

And what. pray tell, would that pattern be?

Scum members appear to have furry animals as their fake claims, and that's what you claimed.
Empire members seems to have somewhat major characters (as far as their impact, not screen time) as their fake claims, and that's what Lynch claimed.

DP's claim again doesn't fit here, so I'm really wondering what's up with that, but maybe I'll figure that out later.

add the word "claimed" in front of LMP and Slicey's claimed roles as I forgot to. They are by no means confirmed.

Is ooba's claim confirmed?

My bolding. Ever consider that the explanation could be that I am not scum?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Two way run for the noose then..

Vote d3x

[Dragon Phoenix]

L-1, DP. Time for a fullclaim. If you have any other abilites/flavor to give us that might convince us you're town, now's the time.

Nope, I shared all.

I think my impending lynch will give good information, looking at the voters on my wagon, and especially the lack of reasoning behind it.

I have been called scummy because of lurker hunting and lack of substantial contributions. It is interesting that NO-ONE commented on my statements to this respect, that this is my normal way of playing and hence a null-tell.

I have volunteered the nightkill immunity part of my role, and several of you have taken that headlong as admitting that I have a GF type role. I am not that dense.

One last remark: the suggestion that the jabba group could have recruiting ability is worth taking a second look at tomorrow.

Good luck town, you will need it.

[Dragon Phoenix]

The case for the defence:

I think my impending lynch will give good information, looking at the voters on my wagon, and especially the lack of reasoning behind it.

I have been called scummy because of lurker hunting and lack of substantial contributions. It is interesting that NO-ONE commented on my statements to this respect, that this is my normal way of playing and hence a null-tell.

I have volunteered the nightkill immunity part of my role, and several of you have taken that headlong as admitting that I have a GF type role. I am not that dense.

One last remark: the suggestion that the jabba group could have recruiting ability is worth taking a second look at tomorrow.

Good luck town, you will need it.

@Kast: given the continued accusations against me, no self respecting scum will ever try to shoot me, so volunteering my night ability does not harm us.

@Lynchmepls: seriously, wtf is vague about that statement wrt the jabba group?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Good luck town.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Congrats scum, thanks mod.