You are absolutely right with that one. One who hasn't watched the Family Guy Star Wars needs to go watch it right now. Darth Vader is Stewie, Brian is Chewy, it even has Herbert the Pervert. Anyone who hasn't watched it, youtube it, it's hilarious.farside22 wrote:Dragon Phoenix wrote:At least spell the name right when you accuse someone of failing.....CryMeARiver wrote:Vote: dragon pheonixfor failing twice.Oh the irony of this action.
On a side note. I personal love Weird Al's star wars song. It was the best parody song of star wars. But nothing beats Family Guy for best rendition of Star Wars
Actually, that's exactly what he saidKonowa wrote: @Wreck Star: I think you are stretching things when you say that "he [bv] is trying to get better at lurking".
Did your initial vote on bv310 not have basis or purpose? It seemed like it did:Wreck Star wrote:Our wagon seems entirely like a RVS wagon with no basis behind it, which is fine
I like Kast's way of posting, it seems to sum up everything quite well and form conclusions. I'm not liking FC's posting, even if he's active. He seems to be walking circles about the subject of lurking.Wreck Star wrote:Vote: bv310
Pre-emptive lurking vote.
If you are referring to this:wolframnhart wrote:KillaSeven's posting reminds me of another players in an on going game.
then I suppose you are talking about me lolKilla 7 wrote:Id like to think ive been pretty active so far in this new game. lol
You keep referring to the lurker's argument rather than providing content, in other words "walking circles around it".FC wrote:I don't see however how I am walking in circles, unless you mean that I'm consistant on in my opinion on activity. Its just the way it worked on a different site so I'll fare on that for a while.
That Wreck contradicts himselfOoba wrote:So what exactly is your point here?
I have with my last few posts. Also, there is usually reason to almost everything I post,farside wrote:CMAR: Needs to stop talking about movies, music and tv and start scum hunting nano
His posts have had no content, they are pure nothingness, as well as the fact that he is pretty much outright refusing to respond to his wagon at all. The only thing he has done with any meaning at all is refuse to vote.farside wrote: Nope, but I notice he is more talkative so far as he has been in previous games. Would you agree?
I did not think it was "b". I knew he meant he was trying to get better at not lurking. I brought it up because he said that, yet went on to lurk.ooba wrote:Reck, CryMeARiver say its "b" while Konowa says its "a".
No I am notWreck Star wrote:You're clearly delusional. By the way, this IS a Reck/Starbuck hydra. Only... Starbuck seems to have forgotten. >.>;CMAR wrote:That Wreck contradicts himself
Yeah, I totally misread that. By "my wagon" I thought you meant the one you were on, or something. Actually, looking back, I have no idea what I thought.Wreck Star wrote:Is THIS how you think you've caught me in a contradictory statement? How are these two thoughts even related - I was talking about my wagon being random and not having any real weight behind it, and you're talking about my vote on bv310. HARDLY CONTRADICTORY. LRN2MAFIACMAR wrote:Did your initial vote on bv310 not have basis or purpose? It seemed like it did
Wreck Star wrote: And... oh, wait... what's this?bv310 wrote:Prod received. Good god people,I meant that I was trying to get better about non-lurking. Probably shouldn't have made that commitment before exam weeks, but that's the way she goes.
Anyway, I'm doing a quick catchup.Aaaaand... checkmate.
Unvote; Vote: TwoHeadedCyclops
FoS: Konowa
I agree. That would be a weird post restriction.Kast wrote:FYI, a C-3PO nameclaim is insufficient to change my mind. Also, if your posts are intentionally mimicking 3PO's speech patterns, kudos, you've been remarkably effective.
Fish more scumtotallynotmafia wrote:You do realise you're at L-7, surely the pressure isn't that great so why are you so worried about my vote?FC wrote:I've answered all your questions. If you want to continue your case, you could at least respond to that, before you automatically expect to continue pressure.
The mason claims make sense given that they are c3po and r2d2. Kast should claim his character seeing as we already know he's a dayvig.
Does this end the day?Kast wrote:@THC-
hp is against scumhunting. That's extremely anti-town. He has no interest in cooperating with town, and simply parks himself on a crap case with no attempt or interest in developing it or discussing it with others. Post threat of day vig, he refuses to claim or share thoughts.
@hp-
There are very few town roles that are beneficial to not claim. There is no town excuse for refusing to share final thoughts.
In the first place, your argument about contradictions is complete crap-logic.
In the second place, your theory has no connection or relevance to events in our current game. It is just empty posturing to mask your active lurking.
Not every contradiction is indicative of scum; however, your claim that this means contradictions cannot be used to find scum is unsupported and unjustified.
It is blatantly false to claim that everyone will make a contradiction simply by answering lots of questions. It is even more ridiculous to claim that everyone will make significant contradictions for the same reason.
Scum are forced to lie in this game by it's very nature. These lies can sometimes be identified and used to find scum; that's what we call tells. Scumhunting is the process of finding those tells. This usually happens by asking players questions and finding anything that looks odd in the response (particularly contradictions).
In our specific game, nobody has yet brought out any contradictions as tells, so your crap-case against me is already inapplicable absent from it's complete lack of logic. Your arguments to pre-empt such tells and discourage town from asking questions/discussion is blatantly anti-town.
Tie this with your refusal to defend yourself and your active lurking amounts to either scum, or town playing for a scum win.
Dayvig: hp [leaves]
I can't tell if you are really that freakin retarded or you are just that much of a noob. First of all, no one is going to hammer without hearing from the kid first. But our votes are one of our only weapons, hence we can pressure him all we want with them. Also, I really dislike that strategy with the vig. Once we kill that person and the day still goes on, the only thing that leaves us is the interactions of people based off that lynch and struggling to find someone to lynch. If we dayvig someone else, then lynch another person, we have 2 kills/lynches to go off of, as well as all the night actions. Vig someone scummy and prominent, not necessarily our number 1 suspect.totallynotmafia wrote:Why are people voting for hp without even hearing from him first? I think Kast is trying to be too much of a hero, and his dayvigging skill would be better used for vigging whomever we intend to lynch as it that saves us going to night.
Oh, andCryMeARiver wrote:I can't tell if you are really that freakin retarded or you are just that much of a noob. First of all, no one is going to hammer without hearing from the kid first. But our votes are one of our only weapons, hence we can pressure him all we want with them. Also, I really dislike that strategy with the vig. Once we kill that person and the day still goes on, the only thing that leaves us is the interactions of people based off that lynch and struggling to find someone to lynch. If we dayvig someone else, then lynch another person, we have 2 kills/lynches to go off of, as well as all the night actions. Vig someone scummy and prominent, not necessarily our number 1 suspect.totallynotmafia wrote:Why are people voting for hp without even hearing from him first? I think Kast is trying to be too much of a hero, and his dayvigging skill would be better used for vigging whomever we intend to lynch as it that saves us going to night.
Something is telling me that this is a ploy to get us to kill a townie. This is ridiculous, let's try to ignore this for now since I doubt 8 people would vote farside without getting anything out of it.Kdub wrote:A bounty has been placed on the head offarside22. Any player who kills or places the hammer vote onfarside22while the bounty is in effect will be rewarded with aStun Grenade. An announcement will be made if the bounty is rescinded.
You provided no case and no reasoning on him. Why should I?bv310 wrote:Vote: Wreck Star
In iso, you read as even scummier than normal.Trust me on this one.
Is this a reference to a different game? Also, Starbuck hates me, you don't. That's ironicWreck Star wrote:[Starbuck]
It's typical BV. He's just mad because we were right about him.
He is very protown and I'm almost positive he is a townie. Get over it.wolframnhart wrote:Well first:I don't really like this post much. Now nothing against farside, but I don't know why CMAR just straight calls her a townie. Farside's not pining my scumdar but i wouldn't just call her a townie just yet. This post feels more like CMAR trying to appear too townie (if that makes sense).CMAR wrote:Something is telling me that this is a ploy to get us to kill a townie. This is ridiculous, let's try to ignore this for now since I doubt 8 people would vote farside without getting anything out of it.
Second:
@BV310
Specific posts please to back up your vote.
I originally voted him because I wanted an explanation for how he survived the daykill which it seemed Kast wasn't "reaction testing" or "faking". I kept my vote I would link you the posts, but there are quite a few. It is really due to the last few posts by hp[leaves] involving his claim. The first time he claimed bulletproof he said he wasn't releasing any other aspects of his role, it seemed rather fishy. I also agreed that bulletproofs are mainly scum. The final straw was that the flavor of his "role" did not make sense. Lando wouldn't be bulletproof IMO. Nor would he be just a "one shot" cop. A cop possibly, but there is no reason for the "one shot". Also this:Slicey wrote:First off: Not reading any of Day 1. Ask farside, this is how I play now when replacing in.
I want everyone who voted hp to explain to me why they did so. Linking to a previous post is fine, all I want is to see a reason.hp [leaves] (12) - farside22, Scott Brosius, FC Groningen, CryMeARiver, Dragon Phoenix, ooba, danakillsu, bv310, ReaperCharlie, Kast, wolframnhart, d3x
farside, who were your suspicions yesterday?
seemed a bit forced to try to convince town of the flavor.hp wrote:Lando Calrissian, Alliance Bulletproof One-Shot Cop.I "obtain" information like a smuggler would do.
I hardcore LOL at this due to your most recent post in a different game that I'm not in and I just wondered upon.wolframnhart wrote:Well first:I don't really like this post much. Now nothing against farside, but I don't know why CMAR just straight calls her a townie. Farside's not pining my scumdar but i wouldn't just call her a townie just yet. This post feels more like CMAR trying to appear too townie (if that makes sense).CMAR wrote:Something is telling me that this is a ploy to get us to kill a townie. This is ridiculous, let's try to ignore this for now since I doubt 8 people would vote farside without getting anything out of it.
Second:
@BV310
Specific posts please to back up your vote.
The irony of you calling farside town in another game after bagging on me for calling farside town in this gamewolframnhart wrote:ok. point being?CryMeARiver wrote:I hardcore LOL at this due to your most recent post in a different game that I'm not in and I just wondered upon.wolframnhart wrote:Well first:I don't really like this post much. Now nothing against farside, but I don't know why CMAR just straight calls her a townie. Farside's not pining my scumdar but i wouldn't just call her a townie just yet. This post feels more like CMAR trying to appear too townie (if that makes sense).CMAR wrote:Something is telling me that this is a ploy to get us to kill a townie. This is ridiculous, let's try to ignore this for now since I doubt 8 people would vote farside without getting anything out of it.
Second:
@BV310
Specific posts please to back up your vote.
But that doesn't matter. We need something to start up. Hence why I tried not to reveal anything at all. And there wasn't a big difference at all though. Anyway...is anyone else out there?wolframnhart wrote:There is actually a big difference in what I said there and what you said here, however I don't wish to discuss this any further, I'm never 100% clear on the talking outside thread rules and don't wish to break it somehow out of ignorance.
Oh, and, not to mention, what I said makes complete sense to me. Farside is town, I'm pretty positive, as I think it would be Jabba the Hutt to place this bounty, making farside town in my opinion. I also wonder the power of a stun grenade. But we are not lynching Farside, so../CryMeARiver wrote:Hence why I tried not to reveal anything at all. And there wasn't a big difference at all though. Anyway...is anyone else out there?wolframnhart wrote:There is actually a big difference in what I said there and what you said here, however I don't wish to discuss this any further, I'm never 100% clear on the talking outside thread rules and don't wish to break it somehow out of ignorance.
Boba is dead. Greedo is the last one I'd assume since there is likely 3 vs. 3 vs. town in my opinion.wolframnhart wrote:I agree about the jabba the hut comment, however with two kills last night I am guessing that might mean its jabba's group vs empire vs alliance, but that remains to be seen. If it is that way Jabba could have bountied Farside because she can be a strong player both as scum and town, so Jabba is trying to get rid of farside by offering an item.
Let's also not forget that IF there is more then one person in jabba's group (like bobba fet) then they can hammer and get said item and use it, so extra incentive for them.
All speculation though, won't know till someone flips differently.
Oh, was it Jango that was part of Boba's group hunting for Han? It couldn't have been, didn't he die in the arena scene of Episode 2? It had to be Boba. So who else could be in there group?wolframnhart wrote:Oi i got my chars mixed up, Greedo i mean, my fault there.
That is true. Greedo was a bounty hunter under the employment of Jabba. There was a high price on the head of Han, Greedo happened upon him in the Cantina. Han shot him and left him a nice tip for the messwolframnhart wrote:Well by looking at the star wars wikki I would say this line stands out:
"The Hutt put his trust in no one other than his Nimbanese accountant Mosep Binneed and Ephant Mon, whom he made Chief of Security of his palace. "
So i would guess either of those two, maybe possibly even both, because I think if i am reading this right Greedo was not actually under the employment of jabba, he was just a bounty hunter who took up the bounty on Han.
One of the best parts of the movie. Also, how could I ever forget this: 
I agree, also, doc should be on R2 (you), until we get another clear. Just sayinwolframnhart wrote:In fact, to go along with the speculation, if it is a Jabba group, and if it is Ephant Mon that is apart of said group, with him being chief of security i could almost see that as being a scum rolecop.
But either way this isn't helping us much. We need more posters.
I think the fact of two kills coupled with a bounty placed on you (Jabba the Hutt presumably) is what makes me personally think there is a possibility of two scum groups.farside22 wrote:I would theorize that as a neutral survivor maybe was given a one shot save. Hard to say and not helpful.Slicey wrote:What claims are out as of now?
Also checking back at mod scene it's very strange that hp leaves wasn't killed. Nowhere in his role name does it say he's bulletproof.
I'm not sure why wolf thinks there is 2 scum groups. I would say looking at the storyline one being stabbed in the back and one sliced in half I could guess it's possible.
I usually think SK/Mafia before thinking 2 mafia groups.
I still want to go back and read before placing my vote. Hopefully I will have time by Monday
Sad part is, I could have told you about the Gamorrean guardsooba wrote:This lends some credence to the Jabba scum faction (looking at the kill signature)Wookpedia wrote:Vibro-bladed weaponry was more common on isolated, less civilized worlds such as Tatooine. Jabba Desilijic Tiure's personal Gamorrean guards were known to use vibro-axes, and his skiff crew also used pikes with vibro-bladed cutting edges.
I have info that Farside is on the good side.ooba wrote:Think its stupid to classify anyone as townie just because they have a bounty on them. If its a faction thing, I can easily see scum putting a bounty on one of their own to make people think like this.CMAR wrote:Something is telling me that this is a ploy to get us to kill a townie.CMAR wrote:Farside is town. I have that info.
Just from the bounty placed on her or are you referring to something else here?
Weird thing is, they never use stun grenades in Star Wars...ooba wrote:Sounds like a one-shot Roleblock ..CMAR wrote:I also wonder the power of a stun grenade.
What changed was this: I was not sure if revealing this information was best before, but then I realized that town might feel a stun grenade is worth the cost. I investigated Farside last night. He is on the good side.d3x wrote:What changed between here......and here...?In p450, Cry wrote:Farside is town, I'm pretty positive, as I think it would be Jabba the Hutt to place this bounty, making farside town in my opinion.The part that really doesn't sit well with me is that...While in p452, you wrote:Farside is town. I have that info.You started this page 'pretty positive' based on opinion and speculation but finished it with concrete information. What gives, Cry?In p469, you wrote:I have info that Farside is on the good side.
Frankly, I'm also not liking the speculation from Cry a whole lot. I seriously don't think we should allow this to dictate any decisions we make today. Jabba isn't even the only one who put out bounties in ep 4-6.
This. I feel that the bounty is Null at best.ooba wrote:Think its stupid to classify anyone as townie just because they have a bounty on them. If its a faction thing, I can easily see scum putting a bounty on one of their own to make people think like this.
It was the fact that people could want to lynch Farside just for that power.d3x wrote:@Cry- And what about wolf's post made you change your mind?
Also- farside is still a she.
I had a one shot investigation and supposed I'd use it on a prominent player who can act pro-town whether he is town or scum.semioldguy wrote:What were your reasons for investigating farside22?
Yeah, there's no way Han is a fake claim.Slicey wrote:Well this throws my theories out the window. >_> Well, not exactly.wolframnhart wrote:@Slicey
Claims that are out so far:
Kast - Han Solo town day vig
Me- Mason R2D2 with TwoHeadedCyclops
@Farside
In Kingdom Hearts Mafia there were two scum groups, and a vig (though limited shots) and an SK, though i think that had 4 more people playing, so when I saw the neutral survivor dead to me that takes care of the SK slot, and when i saw the bounty on you that made me think Jabba and I can see him having his own group, along with the empire, against the alliance.
Whoever I won't know for sure until a flip on someone tells me otherwise.
See, I was thinking that it made no sense for hp to not be killed when it doesn't say anything about him being bulletproof in his role name. I think a majority of you know how inaccurate stormtroopers are, and the often told jokes about how they can't hit anything. So I was thinking he may just be some sort of antitown DK'er with a X% chance of hitting his target. And he missed. However, with him claiming Han Solo, that does change things extremely. I would suggest everyone just keep a small eye on him and not call him very obviously town. Just likely town. And to all those who say "There's no way Han Solo is a fakeclaim," look at my game (Kingdom Hearts Mafia, which our mod played in.) A few main characters were fakeclaims. Again, I seriously doubt Han is a fake claim (he's too awesome), but I wouldn't call him obvtown.
My other theory is that whoever brings up the idea of two scumteam (wolf) is very likely in one of the two scumteams. But he claimed mason, so no. >_>
I need more people to post. I'm thinking CMAR town right now also.
Since I was only a one shot, I didn't want to risk investigating a scummy person as it wouldn't help us later in the game and an actual investigative role might investigate them as well. Investigating someone who the town could learn to depend on is only going to be better in the endgame to know SHE is town.AlmasterGM wrote:@Slicey - His target was also a neutral survivor who bulletproof (1 or more shot) armor would make a LOT of sense on. I can't see scum pulling that kind of gambit. Only possibility in my mind is he somehow communicated with HP and knew he was bulletproof so he could pull that stunt ... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a third party.
@Cry me a river - While I get with your "investigate ppl who can appear town" arg, I still don't get why you would check on someone who you thought was town yesterday. You don't think there is anyone else in this game who was tricky to read and you didn't necessarily think was town?
@bv - Not getting the Wreck Star obvscum ISO read. Care to elaborate?
P.S. Sorry I like totally missed D1.
I don't consider myself one seeing as it was only a one shot.AG wrote:Aren't you an "actual" investigative role as well?
You are either genuinely stupid, rolefishing, or just plain ridiculous. Me claiming information without pressure is good. I already explained why I stated the info. Claiming under pressure makes me look like hp [leaves]. Imagine if I died tonight with that info, and you went the entire game with farside as a protown player, but could be scum because that's how he plays. At the moment we have 4 clears in my mind. That's very useful to town. Also, you being suspicious of me makes no sense. 1) I will not full claim today. 2) You have no reason to disbelieve me. If you really think I was trying to protect "scumbuddy" farside when under no pressure, you are stupid.danakillsu wrote:I agree with Scott. CMAR, if you're going to claim that much of your role, you should give us the name of your role so that we can confirm whether that fits. Until then, I'm suspicous of you for claiming without any real pressure.vote: CMAR. And bv310 always does this, so no one should be voting for him.
Nothing nothing at all. Now stop. Empire are bad guys. Deal with it. C3PO was town slliance and sample role PM = Alliance = good guyWreck Star wrote:Here's my ReaperCharlie impression:
"Hey guys! I'm going to ignore logic and say that if the Empire isn't the main baddies in this game then the setup is broken! Fuck examples that show otherwise!"
Flavor/setup speculation is pointless. You're right... Kdub wouldn't make a broken setup, but having the Empire not be the main bad guys doesn't mean it's broken. It means he's smart. And even if the Empire ARE the bad guys, there's a good chance the mod gave them fakeclaims so that the setup can't be broken by a massclaim.
So please, Charlie, explain to me what exactly there is to be accomplished by speculating on the setup.
Explain now.bv310 wrote:Vote: Wreck Star
In iso, you read as even scummier than normal. Trust me on this one.
This isn't incriminating, just stupid. I see what you mean though. "Empire could be good meaning he isn't part of the Alliance or he'd know that the Alliance is good!"d3x wrote:UnVote/Vote:Wreck Star
Holy dogshit, Batman. Scum slip. Moar Votes nao, plz.
Scotty wrote:The Cry claim could be an attempt to isolate farside for himself to get the stun grenade. I do not think it's worth pursuing today for a lynch (either farside or CMAR)
Slicey wrote: wait, CMAR, you investigated someone you thought was town?
Answer this please CMAR.
CMAR wrote:I had a one shot investigation and supposed I'd use it on a prominent player who can act pro-town whether he is town or scum.
Now going to ISO Scotty boy and FC who I seem to remember not liking.CMAR wrote: Since I was only a one shot, I didn't want to risk investigating a scummy person as it wouldn't help us later in the game and an actual investigative role might investigate them as well. Investigating someone who the town could learn to depend on is only going to be better in the endgame to know SHE is town.
1) I am very on the fence with dana because (s)he always acts scummy, whether town or scum, and it makes me crazy trying to figure out which one is their true alignment. What she said was very scummy in that post though, and I cannot let it go:Slicey wrote:I agree with farside so much on that last post. I mean, that last sentence is basically saying "don't vote my scumbuddy please."
Vote: danakillsu
Feeling a lot of scum vibes from Reaper Charlie as well. First, answering for CMAR, which was totally unnecessary and could be protecting a scumbuddy, and that FoS on Wreck is just... really bad.
Taking back what I said about CMAR being town. Very on the fence with him. Investigating someone you think is town is mind numbingly stupid, but I don't know if it's scum or town driven.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 229417#topSlicey wrote:Wait... just thought of something. If you think about it, a town person with a cop ability wouldn't look for town players (what CMAR did), they'd look for scum players. CMAR agreed with wolf that there is two scumteams (when there is no evidence provided). I'm thinking CMAR to be some form of scum cop, looking to find an innocent player to look more town.
I think I might be on to something here...
Unvote, Vote: CryMeARiver
Look at TheFonz's post 7CryMeARiver wrote:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 229417#topSlicey wrote:Wait... just thought of something. If you think about it, a town person with a cop ability wouldn't look for town players (what CMAR did), they'd look for scum players. CMAR agreed with wolf that there is two scumteams (when there is no evidence provided). I'm thinking CMAR to be some form of scum cop, looking to find an innocent player to look more town.
I think I might be on to something here...
Unvote, Vote: CryMeARiver
Can you please lay the fuck off now?
Read the above freakin postswolframnhart wrote:@CMAR
If it drives you crazy figuring out which alignment Dana can be in a game why did you not investigate her? I realize you said Farside was neutral but there wasn't anyone else that stood out to you to try to investigate?
I had no idea what I should do with a one shot investigation. Whether I should keep it for later in the game or use it N1 and try to clear/catch a person. I posted in that forum and TheFonz answer really stuck. So I investigated a prominent player who could either be town or scum and that would help later in the game knowing she is town.wolframnhart wrote:Man you really get your dandruff up when questioned don't you?
I don't care what theFonz posted, I am askingyouwhy you didn't investigate someone you have a hard time telling the difference of whether or not they are town.
That's what I thought. Just making sure there wasn't any Godfather possible flavor type role.wolframnhart wrote:Not as The Chancellor he wasn't.
Yes, I'm not counting the fact out, but he was the most likelywolframnhart wrote:Just because The Chancellor wasn't in ep 4-6 as The Chancellor doesn't mean there isn't and Godfather possible flavor type role.
I was looking more into the role of a godfather, he appears to be innocent (the Chancellor) but is actually guilty, rather than Godfather as just the machoman of the dark side (the Emperor).wolframnhart wrote:Well I am sure The Chancellor wouldn't be a GF, Emporer yes. Even so they would have a safe claim, to claim Chancellor would more then likely be an immediate lynch.
Yes, I realized this. Oh the ironyWreck Star wrote:[Starbuck]
Btw, I've played the Star Wars LARP and it's all sorts of fun. =)
On CryMeARiverYou realize that Starbuck was talking then, as she is now?CryMeARiver wrote:Is this a reference to a different game? Also, Starbuck hates me, you don't. That's ironicWreck Star wrote:[Starbuck]
It's typical BV. He's just mad because we were right about him.
And I don't hate you. I just hate lurkers. You are getting better though. Much better than bv.
I've never used them in the many Star Wars games I have played and they were never mentioned in any of the books I have read or movies I have seenWreck Star wrote:DUDE..........................SERIOUSLY??CryMeARiver wrote:Weird thing is, they never use stun grenades in Star Wars...
/sigh
I felt this was a better use of my one shot since we most likely have at least 1 investigative role that is focusing on scumminess to choose their targets as it is. I also had another reason that is not necessary to let out now that she (and wolf) are clear.Wreck Star wrote:I'd say that's a good reason. I normally have a pretty hard time reading farside, but if you felt she was town, why wouldn't you investigate someone that you are suspicious of? Rather than clear someone who you already felt was town?CryMeARiver wrote:I had a one shot investigation and supposed I'd use it on a prominent player who can act pro-town whether he is town or scum.
I did not say I was clear. I just said I was town.Wreck Star wrote:YOU CANNOT CLEAR YOURSELF.CryMeARiver wrote:No chance Wolf could be scum now. He's 100% clear since his mason buddy is dead and flipped exactly what he said.
I am town. So is Farside.
The only person who is cleared right now is Wolf.
Actually, the purpose of that post was I wanted to know what other people thought of vigs. It genuinely had nothing to do with this game. But I still used the info I got from itWreck Star wrote:What? I don't understand this.CryMeARiver wrote:Since I was only a one shot, I didn't want to risk investigating a scummy person as it wouldn't help us later in the game and an actual investigative role might investigate them as well.
Post 526 - Please tell me that you didn't just link to yourself talking about this game outside this thread?
1) This is one of the stupidest ideas. Ranks up there with Dana.Toon wrote:Well, looking at CMaR's claim, I think the best move as town would be to lynch him. If he turns up innocent, then we just lynched a (now vanilla) townie and confirmed farside as innocent. If he turns up guilty, then we have just lynched scum. What do you think?
Reasons I should not give my role claim: I don't give in to rolefishers and I don't see any need for me to release any more information about my role. How about you give me one reason that you should not give your role name?Danashouldkillherself wrote:Precisely what I am saying.
@farside or CMAR
give one good reason for CMAR NOT to give his roleNAME. I've already given a very good reason for him to give his rolename
The wagon on me looks like misguided townies who don't understand exactly what I'm doing and one person (I wonder who?) who looks like a blatant OMGUS'ing scum. Did anyone else notice that he posted plenty between when I asked him to roleclaim and his vote, and yet his vote only came when his reasoning convinced other people to wagon me? My vote is DEFINITELY in the right place.
Your vote is in the right place. Because it shows how scummy you really are. Lynching me is the absolute wrong thing to do as it is a waste. Would I really want all this attention if I were scum? No.My vote on the moron wrote:I am very on the fence with dana because (s)he always acts scummy, whether town or scum, and it makes me crazy trying to figure out which one is their true alignment. What she said was very scummy in that post though, and I cannot let it go: Vote: Danakillsu
FC Gronigen, dana, youFarside wrote:CMAR: What players did you consider investigating before you investigated me last night?
1) I could say the same for if I am town (which I am). I wanted to 'confirm' Farside because of the bountyd3x wrote:It's not too far of a stretch to believe that with the bounty, CryScum identified you as Town, thus wanted to 'confirm' himself with a 1-shot investigation result. Claiming 1-shot will protect him from ever having to give incorrect reads later on. Another Scum motivation would be if the 2 of you were on the same team. You can know for sure your own alignment, but the rest of us can't.
Just a question, have you ever played with DoS before?DragP wrote:This is typical scum lurking. I am all for replacing people who drop off the game altogether, but here I think the chance of him being scum is pretty good.
I didn't talk about this game outside of the thread, I only claimed to have that info so as not to tempt town to lynch farside just for the stun grenade, I wouldn't have if it hadn't been for the bounty, I don't consider myself a noob, and I would never pull that idiotic gambit as scum.d3x wrote:I don't think I have, but that's not the point. It isn't that hard to see the situation play out and that's what you asked. If Cry is Newb enough to talk about the game outside of thread and Claim at the drop of a hat as a proTown 1-shot Cop, why wouldn't he make a weak gambit as Scum? I know, I know, WIFOM. The point stands and the logic holds.
Farside wrote:No offense to CMAR when I state this but I don't find him to have the capacity to be duplicitous in such a way as you are describing in your WIFOM there d3.
He is R2D2. There is no way he could be on the dark sideSoG wrote:Actually, a question I asked yesterday which was not answered before the hammer, was that if they were confirmed alignment to one another or not. Now that answer is less reliable/useful with only one of the two players able to answer the question. I'd still like to hear an answer from wolframnhart.
The fact still holds true that I only did this because of the bounty placed on him and the possibility that town might want to lynch her as to not let scum get the stun grenade by killing farside. The fact that I pulled this stunt should be enough to make me seem town for the moment. I see no reason to out any more information with this role.SoG wrote:I don't like CryMeARiver's claim. Neither farside22 nor himself were under any immediate lynch threat. I also dislike partial claims and have seen refusal to complete a partial claim as being paired more often with scum than town. If you are town there shouldn't be any reason to withhold your role name and flavor for why you have the ability you claim. If you are town this should strengthen your claim. Not wanting to claim is scummy because it gives you time to make stuff up or ask your potential scumbuddies later for assistance on a fake claim. If you are town the information/flavor is already there and available and doesn't have to be fabricated.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I asked the town what they thought and hardly anyone weighed in.semioldguy wrote:Okay...farside22 wrote:Semiold: He hasn't refused to complete the claim. If you saw that he did refuse please quote where.Looks like a refusal to me.CryMeARiver wrote:You are either genuinely stupid, rolefishing, or just plain ridiculous. Me claiming information without pressure is good. I already explained why I stated the info. Claiming under pressure makes me look like hp [leaves]. Imagine if I died tonight with that info, and you went the entire game with farside as a protown player, but could be scum because that's how he plays. At the moment we have 4 clears in my mind. That's very useful to town. Also, you being suspicious of me makes no sense.2) You have no reason to disbelieve me. If you really think I was trying to protect "scumbuddy" farside when under no pressure, you are stupid.1) I will not full claim today.
That's complete bullshit. So town wants to appear scummy? I had a legit reason for claiming. *gasp* town could have a reason for claiming legit information? Shut your mouth...semioldguy wrote:Asking for more can help tell whether or not he is telling the truth.farside22 wrote:I didn't see a need for it but if people find CMAR scummy based on his claim of 1 shot on me and you want more info can I ask why you want more?
To me it falls under going out of one's way and a desire of wanting to appear town.farside22 wrote:Why do you think it's scummy for someone to claim something when there is no pressure to do so?Scum have to actively try to appear town, the town doesn't.
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That's bullshit. Most people (not sure if it was you) said fullclaim. I'm not revealing what else I have up my sleeve. And if you don't believe me you are a moron. The power I used last night was "Force Sensitive (Investigate)".danakillsu wrote:*headdesk
I didn't want you to reveal the Alliance JOAT thing yet, CMAR. I just wanted your rolename.
As a side note, who believes him? Should Yoda be a JOAT in this trilogy? And if there is a real Yoda, he should probably counter-claim, because I don't really believe CMAR.
I won't. Reiteration FTWdanakillsu wrote:The breadcrumbing changes things a bit. He definitely at least had a fakeclaim of Yoda ready. I'll have to think about this one more. for now,unvote
Okay, this is crap since in your first post you said based off an ISO read. Please state your flavor name (this is actually warranted in his case).bv310 wrote:Posting in response to prod. And since you brought it up Farside, the "read" on Wreck is more of the "Guilty investigation" variety. Not sure why I didn't say it before.
1. CC's?bv310 wrote:Sorry I can't post really detailed stuff. On my iPod. Anyway, my role is Luke Skywalker. I am able to sense a player's alliance to the force. I determined wreckstar to be evil. I didn't claim before because I was hoping to get the time to do a proper case. Starting midnight shifts has somewhat limited my mafia time so I decided to just claim now.
To clarify this before I go, my result on Farside said "You determine her to be good." So...ooba wrote:Your result used the word "evil"? And what does alliance to the force mean? I think "Dark side", "Light side" make more sense as a result .. Need a bit more clarity on this ..bv310 wrote:I am able to sense a player's alliance to the force. I determined wreckstar to be evil.