Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

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Sorry, I didn't see the thread. Reading now...

True RVS

Unvote; Vote: K7

for being someone I recognize but haven't played with in awhile.

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OK. That was quick. O.o

I was 100% serious about my N0 claim. I thought the level of detail in the claim would have made that perfectly clear. I thought it was a good idea to claim it N0 on the offchance that my N0 flip would lead to problems outguessing scumnumbers and so forth down the line. I wish I'd emphasized why I'd claimed and that I was serious so as to have avoided what looked like actual claiming at first, but I guess the anonymous nameclaims that ultimately resulted were a good idea.

I've played 2 games with ABR and 1 with Reckoner.

I like the bandwagon on Prana. Namely, I think it's a little weird that someone would think I was just playing around given the detail in my claim.

Unvote; Vote: Prana

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PRETTY GOOD AND YOU?

For what it's worth --

4. KDub
8. Glork
12. killa seven
15. bv310
17. dramonic
21. wolframnhart
22. MehPlusRawr

These are the other players I know. I think I'd have pushed for killing Glork if I'd been on a scumteam.

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Hi, Ursula.

JP is interested in this information because he speculates that ABR and/or Reckoner may have been targeted by those who know them and see them as a threat. I know them, but do not see them as threats.

To be more specific, Reckoner was modkilled for being grouchy in Kingdom Hearts mafia, and Al ragequit Grimm's Fables mafia after a D1 dispute with the Mod. Neither player qualifies as a "threat" from my perspective as such.

I do think JP's theory has merit insofar as ABR is concerned, though. On the other hand, I'd imagine most players at least know of him. He's sort of notorious.

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Yep, I know that he's a villain, or at least a boss twice. My guess is that the allusion is that Ultros is kinda a joke villain, and hence not the real deal. He ends up working at the Auction House IIRC.

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<3FFXI<3

I hope a Duke made it in. Or Prishe. Or Luzaf. Or Lilith. ^^

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^ Yeah, you're right.

@ Nautilus,

Final Fantasy wiki. Search "Ultros" to get my information.

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Who on earth is Larxene? Wiki doesn't even know.

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^ I am no mere miller. I am a DEATH MILLER. (Until scum flips; then this goes away).

Just bein clear.

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In the general case, I'm honestly not sure.

For me, I am mod-confirmed to check innocent to sane Cops both before and after my DM status goes away.

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So it's scummy to not find anyone scummy?

Is this meant to be a rhetorical question? Because the answer to your question is most nearly "yes."

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^ A good strategy is to read the wiki.

Also, play FFVI. Pretty playable.

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My role PM does not specify the text that will appear when I die. My speculation is that I will flip "scum" or something if scum have yet to flip, and I will flip "Protagonist" thereafter.

I currently have no abilities apart from passive, temporary DM status. (Were I ever tracked successfully, that would indicate my guilt.) I've certainly noticed Glork's mod-confirmed Blind status, but it had nothing to do with me. I see the logic in the set-up speculation that I am more likely to be an SK than proper scum; however, you'd think I'd get on with it and kill someone N0 since we have evidence that killing roles could kill N0. I suppose it's possible that I could be an SK who targets 2 players each night, but that starts to be outside the normal.

Note that Prana has something odd going on upstairs:

Plus, looking back over it, I'm thinking Glork was possibly stretching to the case on Dramonic by piecing it together as he did and ignoring that anyone else could be lightning based, and I'd say he was most likely covering for either himself, or someone else, on the basis of knowing there's more than the one lightning based character (or at least, more than one character who can use a lightning attack), and spotting Dram's claim early on, has seized it.

Then Pran votes Glork.

Black goop?

Like an ink attack from a squid? or octopus?

Why, yes. That would work. And, in fact, Ultros countered magical attacks by inflicting Blind.

You know what... I'm game.

Then Glork votes me.

Personally, I still think it's a worthy issue to note... however, others with more knowledge of Ultros than I have made some obvious pointers... and as others have said, the vote does appear pretty obvious now. (Although I will point out to all that Glork has said that Ultros counters magical attacks by inflicting blind... I also take it that's Glork admitting to using an ability on Iecerint over the night phase, so it's worth keeping this in mind if Iec gets lynched).

Then Pran votes me. So, he suspects Glork for inappropriately using flavor against dram, and then he votes me when other players basically do the same thing. Spooky, right?

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Uh, dram, I think JP is claiming that Prana is the one whose thought process isn't linear. Not me.

Ultros would be a really mean fakeclaim. If this isn't a "normal" setup in certain ways, the flavor-based analysis you're intimdating is questionable.

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Your use of "Quite So" implied your post was intended to support JP's, so the content of your post implied a misperception of JP's post.

I see no reason to answer your question.

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Oh, OK, looks like you simulposted with JP. Fair enough.

Explanation is reasonable.

@ all,

is there a particular reason I shouldn't answer dram's question?

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^ If you don't think I'm vanilla, I am lying and you should lynch me. Does not compute.

What information do we have about the element mechanic? Is not detailed on page 1, and I'm too busy watching Glee to look at the Queue post.

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Let me know when you're done, Glorky. <3

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Devo, do you think I'm mafiascum, SKscum, or any of the above?

For what it's worth, I was well aware that Ultros uses Blind when you fight him. You can be pretty sure of that because my N0 post includes some quotes from the Ultros fight. Consequently, I wouldn't have used Blind having claimed Ultros unless I were forced to (i.e. must use Blind to perform your kill, or something similar), in which case I wouldn't have claimed Ultros, anyway. [/WIFOM]

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I'm not saying he is a Serial Killer or any other unaligned faction, in fact, I believe his Miller claim is plausible, though the part about him having to die after at least one scum is dead seems suspect.

To clarify, it's that scum flipping removes the "Death Miller" part of my role. In other words, real scum flipping will keep me from being seen as scum given my flip.

Possibly analogous to Kefka just being comic relief when Ultros is introduced, and the Goddesses not even having been introduced yet.

I agree that it's atypical. That's why I had to ask the Mod for clarification on the specifics of the role before I posted in the Night thread. I've only played one game with Death Millers, where they were prohibited from claiming until D2.

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^ She was. She learns Thunder Ravager abilities sooner.

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That's like saying that Lulu isn't really a black mage because everyone can learn her abilities.

I wouldn't expect Lightning to have electrocution flavor anyway, though.

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Devo, do you think I'm mafiascum, SKscum, or any of the above?

It'd have to be mafia. I don't see why a Serial Killer would benefit from claiming death miller.

So, do you think I'm lying about checking innocent to sane Cops, or do you think I'm Ultros: Godfather Mafia Octopus?

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The PM I recieved very clearly indicated that the black goop was the cause of my blindness.

That is highly spooky. I only have WIFOM defenses, sensible though they may be.

Can anybody point out non-bastard games (preferrably within the last 6-8 months or so) which included Death Millers?

Well, I'm slightly different from a standard DM role, ye know. But I was surprised, too.

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Groningen mentioned that it would be fair to ask Iecerint to come up with similar characters that could blind as well.

Lots of characters in the FF universe can blind people. It's not an unusual ability to have.

Flavor-based defense -- Blind is glitched in the original versions of FFVI and doesn't do anything. Therefore, Ultros would be a somewhat odd choice of character to showcase the Blind ability. [/flavor-based defense]

Best guess is that the black goop is just general flavor for the ability, as someone indicated.

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It's not a meta defense. (For example, I'm not arguing that I've never fakeclaimed DM before and so am unlikely to be doing so here.) Rather, I'm using my play this game as evidence, which makes it a WIFOM argument, which I indicated explicitly.

It is 100% verifiable that I had some background information on Ultros in the form of the quotes I used. It's true that you can argue that this is all some secret WIFOM plot to make me "look like" I am either town or made an improbable error in spite of the information at my disposal, but that sort of thinking should probably not be default.

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^ I turn up town 100% of the time -- now and forever. If you want to investigate me, there's no reason to put it off for after scum flips. Granted, since I'm unlikely to be lying about checking innocent, the only reason to target me is to check your sanity.

This is why I would have to be Blinding Godfather Octopus (LOL, because either Ultros is GF or I was given Ultros as a curiously backhanded safeclaim) or Blinding Investi-proof Serial Killer (slightly more plausible, but not really inasmuch as I would have killed N0, unless I did, in which case the ink probably wasn't my doing, etc).

Like I said -- WIFOM, but it would probably be enough to convince me within a reasonable doubt.

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Flavor-based defense -- Blind is glitched in the original versions of FFVI and doesn't do anything. Therefore, Ultros would be a somewhat odd choice of character to showcase the Blind ability. [/flavor-based defense]

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lol.
No Iece, just no.

Why is this "no"? Specifically, what makes it less valid than flavor-based attacks?

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Because that glitch only exist in certain versions of the game.

I don't think it was fixed until the GBA version in 2006 or whenever, except in the form of fan bug fixes of ROMs. It is at any rate a comparatively minor argument IMO.

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That said, I'm not sold on voting Iece yet. Although his defense isn't that great (Blind is glitched in VI )

That is not my primary defense.

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Well, your primary defense is WIFOM, your secondary is that...

Well, yeah. What other kind of defense is possible? None, right? Kind of like your "I am a nice Ramuh" defense?

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You said you're Ramuh but are not scum. That's what I mean by a "nice Ramuh" defense.

I think a (reasonable) WIFOM defense gives players more to hang their hat on.

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^ Or I could be an investi-proof SK who can both kill and blind. (Or I'm an invest-proof SK who can just kill, and the blind is a total coincidence.)

Glork's blind status is mod-confirmed, or at least he keeps missing whenever he votes someone. What do you make of it?

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What happens if you weren't aware that your target would be sent associated flavor?

I could feasibly see you making a fake Death Miller claim without knowing I would be sent anything, and then going "ohshit" when I claimed the goop/Blindness flavor.

If I'm an SK, I probably killed N0. If I killed N0, I probably didn't blind anyone N0. So unless I can do both of those in a single night, I'm probably not SK -- and the kill flavor doesn't fit Ultros, anyway, IIRC.

If I'm scum, I'm either really gambiting as GF (since the flip will equivocably show I'm realScum), or I'm gambiting by lying about how I check to Cops.

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(Relevance being that neither point is affected by your point AFAIK.)

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The good/bad nature of ANY character from the video games has

NOTHING

to do with their alignment in this game. The only use for flavor is to figure out who committed what actions, or who may be lying about their own actions.

I don't disagree with you in principle, but you're overstating it a little. Namely, it's not impossible that scum lack fakeclaims in a mini where the number of potentials roles are as large as this, and pro-town roles in-game tend on average to map onto pro-town on MS (high profile exception like HP mafia sort-of notwithstanding).

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Glork is blind. His vote doesn't count.

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Ultros-jester totally does fit the flavor IMO. But, the problem with Z's speculation is that it does not match my play in this game, unless his implicit argument is that claiming Death Miller is grounds for a policy lynch. And yeah, low background probability, though Death Miller also has a low background probability.

I second the need for more Prana-wagoning.

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If he's active elsewhere as people have indicated, that doesn't look good.

Unvote; Vote: Zodiark

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I think the present circumstances don't really indicate a "policy lynch."

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Zodiark's "maybe he's a jester comment", if he's scum, heavily connects him to you. The only scum motive I see to that is to save his partner. So, if he flips scum, why isn't he your partner?

Am I in a better position to evaluate that than you? Why are you asking me? (For example, is it just rhetorical?)

If he's active elsewhere as people have indicated, that doesn't look good. Unvote; Vote: Zodiark

And you failed to check it yourself... why...?

Nah, I checked with msutils and saw other places he'd been posting. I didn't go through and evaluate each of the posts for content individually, though.

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I would staunchly refuse to cooperate with any potential element massclaim. I think it gives away entirely too much information right now.

Let's just say that L-2 is the new L-1 and make sure people claim at that.

Why'd you want me to claim my element earlier, then?

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Yeah, I agree. I don't think I was ever at such risk, though, so Glork's behavior is inconsistent, especially when you consider that I had just asked "Is there any reason I shouldn't answer dram's question?"

I like Z better by far atm, though.

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Is dram grouchier as certain alignments?

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If you're in too many games, you should replace out of one or more of them.

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Really? I don't think I've said anything terribly controversial.

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Rygdea is a captain.

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No. He's a really really minor character who appears in a handful of scenes. I personally wouldn't have included him if I'd made this game, but ye never know, etc.

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Prana, I suppose. I would've preferred his lynch if Z hadn't evidenced scummy activity patterns.

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I think it's that he's being mean to me, which is a good scum strategy given that I'm not lying about being a Modified Death Miller. I dunno, though. Like I said, I'd rather lynch Prana.

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Vote Count:

Zodiark13: 10

(Devotress, FC Groningen, PranaDevil, KDub, Chronopie, Iecerint, bv310, Antifinity, wolframnhart, dramonic)

PranaDevil: 3

(inHimshallibe, Starbuck, Nautilus)

Iecerint: 1

(Glork, JPSalazar)

Chronopie: 1

(WorseExcuse)

Glork: 1

Not Voting:

bill1148
killa seven
MehPlusRawr
Zodiark13

Lynch:

11 votes.

Deadline:

May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST

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I'm so excited!

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Isn't 7's world canonically called "Gaea" or something? So long as we're off-topic.

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EBWOP: Oh. We're both right.

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Nah, I'm counting Ultimania and all that.

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If your favorite scum are P and AI, why did you spend all day voting me? Was I promoted to undecided because of anything specific, or...?

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Good thing I didn't pay any attention to your legitimate advice.

Asking dumb questions is part of my strategy.

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Iec = Iecerint = Iecrint = Icerint = Ice = Icerink = Yerkrint = Yerkrink

I have many names.

Hi, Elli. Who else is in there? :X

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I think it's plausible that it's legit.

Why did whoever it was think that Prana was Crybaby? If whoever it was is correct, Prana was probably fakeclaiming Tidus N0, and, coupled with his naughty behavior yesterday, is likely scum.

Vote: PranaDevil

on the assumption that whoever it was has reason to believe that PD is Crybaby.

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EBWOP: Chronopie said that PD was CB in The Inn last night. CB claimed Tidus. ??? said that Tidus wasn't in the game.

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This is the relevant post:

Iecerint: Ultros, Death Miller squid (modified)
Dram: Ramuh, Elemental Summon (lightning)
Prana: ?? (possible Tidus?), bullet-proof? (JoaT?)
Inhim: ?? protagonist, Vanilla?
Chrono (me): ??, Elemental ?? (Water)

Was it obvious that Nautilus was the other Mason, or did they just get lucky?

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I think scum are allowed to post in the QT, too, so "this gathering" would seem to imply "in the game." But who knows.

Where'd Chrono come up with that via pure speculation? Did Prana crumb for a Tidus fakeclaim somewhere?

Would like Chrono to clarify his PD-CB-Tidus association, since we already know he was the one who made it.

Hi @ DoS.

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^ Good point.

Anyone know Crybaby better than me? I played with her in Twilight once. She linked to replacement and was lynched in spite of a doc claim.

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EBWOP: On second thought, it's possible that Crybaby is just an indication that Tidus is a crybaby (e.g. rather than indicating that a player here is an alt of hers). Forget I said anything.

We can still rule out some players has CB by looking at who else posted each day, though, assuming that no one cheated.

Unvote; Vote: Antifinity

is sensible.

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inHim
Iec
animorpherv (part of one of the hydras, IIRC it's WorseExcuse)
Rosa
dram
Nautilus
Prana
FC Gronigen
Devo
Chrono
RECKONER
Anti
Glork

Also, Rosa, Ifrit, and ???

1. Starbuck
3. JPSalazar
4. KDub
12. DoS
15. bv310
16. bill1148 (who?)
21. wolframnhart
22. MehPlusRawr

If you are on this list and would like to claim that you are one of Rosa/Ifrit/???, that could help narrow it down a little. But it's still a wide shot. Obviously, you don't need to participate if you have reason to believe it's no good to do so. Let me know if I made any mistakes.

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NB: Do not claim "I am Rosa." Claim "I am one of those 3." (If you think it's worth it.)

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It's not "claiming PR." It's saying that there's a 33% chance that you're a PR ("???") while indicating that you're not scumTidus.

But I guess Biggs and Wedge were already Mason-tier, so you're probably right. I withdraw my request. It annoys me that the list is that long, though.

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I wonder if there's any meaning to "7" being skipped?

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EBWOP: That is, it's that Glork post, but there's no number edited-in.

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WTF? Why the hell did you do that? <_<

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My guess is that it's a Doom countdown. Either whoever was Doom'd N1 will die at 0, or it ends the day, or it lynches whoever is at majority. The first of those is most plausible.

If that's the case, I'd say that we can probably look at whoever made early votes, but Glork, Prana, and I did almost all of it.

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It either ends on 0 or it ends on the beat after 0 in most games.

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MY NAME IS GATO
I HAVE METAL JOINTS
BEAT ME UP AND
EARN 15 SILVER POINTS

Wolfie is very naughty because he did something like what I did in this post only worse.

THIS IS PURELY A REAL JOKE THOUGH AND NOT A RE-CLAIM.

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As for myself, I "thought" I was killing myself because, y'know... we thought that's what was going to happen with the countdown. I'd get myself out of the game so suspicion wouldn't be on me, you lot could go back to scum hunting rather than focusing on me.

I think the default interpretation was that 0 would kill whoever had been doom'd. That you framed your "suicide" as probable rather than possible is something I would expect more from scum who knew that SB would die all along than town uncertain of the outcome of the counter.

Wolfie and/or Anti being lynched would not hurt my feelings.

@ WE, should emphasize that I'm not a typical Death Miller -- I'm a modified Death Miller. After scum has flipped, I will flip normally after that. I also check innocent.

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The rhetoric does imply that "I'd vote you" means "I'd vote Wolfie." Wolfie had just claimed that Tidus was a joke and that he was blind. Dunno why he said it was Glork, though, but w/e.

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It's very possible that Iecerint, Prana, and/or Glork were running the counter down quickly on purpose with their votes, and if those numbers were showing up while that sequence was going on, it's evidence that at least one of them was scum and not mentioning anything about them while voting/unvoting.

I didn't notice em until whoever it was asked about them and someone else explained about the red numbers. Don't blame ye for considering it, though. Chrono really deserves a shout-out here, though.

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^ O.o

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Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

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Of course I read your post. Why did you think I ^'d?

I hadn't associated the countdown with Doom originally (See post on arbitrariness). Additionally, we didn't know who doom was targeting.

This is a major WTF in word choice at best.

If I knew that the countdown was for Doom, would I have been so obv. scum to deliberately try push the counter?

This is a totally misplaced WIFOM defense. The town move is "OMG SORRY FOR TOTAL /FAIL." Instead, you're arguing that poor play somehow makes you town.

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Explicitly indicating "0 scum motivation for that post" is the definition of WIFOM. You're arguing that you can't be scum because scum wouldn't do something, whereas there was no reason for town to do it, either, so the only real reasons to do it were a) making a mistake or b) (poorly) manufacturing townieness via subsequent WIFOM arguments, which scum are much more likely to do. You framed the issue the latter way.

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OMG THE PLOT THICKENS.

Why're you spoiling my fun? (Don't answer that.)

I guess bv is kinda framing the issue aggressively, but I don't think he's framing it unrealistically.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

STOP BEING SCUMMY GUYS IT ISN'T FUNNY. (I WAS EXAGGERATING SLIGHTLY JUST THERE.)

Unvote; Vote: Antifinity

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C'mon guys. Would Antifinity really do something like that as scum? I mean, wouldn't that be a really bad play? Clearly this means that he is town and we need to reconsider who is on the wagon.

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Glork, why'd you go from being against Anti, Prana, and Chrono to only going against Prana?

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I voted for Zodiark because active lurking is a good tell IMO. I voted for Anti because he made that hilarious post.

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It annoys me that Anti is trying to tie me to him with that lame "rationale" for my behavior, when my behavior is totally reasonable. The a priori sketchy players on Devo's lists are the ones who were quick on one and not the other.

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Now the plot is like molasses.

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I hafta say that I could see Glork as scum, even though I don't think there's any particular reason to think as much apart from that he hasn't found the scum for me yet AFAIK.

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^ Does not compute. Try again?

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I will summarize your argument as I see it. You can tell me where I am doing it wrong.

1. Maybe vote + blind are different abilities, but probably not due to math.
2. So Wolf parsimoniously immune to the vote part of a single ability.
3. So Wolf is probably not scum, since anonvoteblind looks like a scum ability.

*4. But wait he's not VT either, since that wouldn't make sense or something.*

OK, I got it. The starred bit was throwing me. Your point is that it's probably one ability, Wolfie wouldn't be immune to the vote part if he were really VT, and lynch all liars.

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Hey, at least it wasn't subtle!

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The Ani half of WorseExcuse posted 6 times in another game today. FYI.

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Given that my flavor is enough to (presumably) make Death Miller fit, not to mention Jihl causing problems end of D1 in the flavor, my guess is that villains are villains.

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I think there's a different member of Organization XIII who attack with music? I've never played KH2, so....

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Vote Count:

Antifinity: 5

(Iecerint, FC Groningen, dramonic, Chronopie, JPSalazar)

PranaDevil: 2

(MehPlusRawr, Antifinity)

Chronopie: 2

(Devotress, bv310)

Iecerint: 2

(KDub, WorseExcuse)

wolframnhart: 1

(bill1148)

Glork: 1

(PranaDevil)

bv310: 1

(Glork)

WorseExcuse: 0

(wolframnhart)

Not Voting:

DragonsofSummer
inHimshallibe

Lynch:

9 votes.

Deadline:

May 16th - 3:00 PM EST

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Ultros isn't evil at all (unless you're talking about games where he doesn't have a personality at all like FFXII -- which clearly wasn't what inspired Kise to include him as a character). He's like Anya from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Rest of old case is old.

I tend to send mods a million PMs as soon as I get my role PM to clarify issues. I would have asked Kise about flavor before using an ability like that, especially if I'd intended to claim N0. There's always the possibility that he would have refused to answer, but ye know.

I'm also too shy to gambit a Death Miller claim. [/WIFOM]

Has anyone ever played with scumGlork before? I've played with (HEHEHE) Death Miller Glork, but never non-town Glork AFAIK.

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OpenSource mafia is finished. Glork was a standard DM with the added restriction of not being allowed to claim until D2. That was advertised as a bastard game, though.

Glork, there's a difference between Ultros being "not a protagonist" and being "evil." He's a recurring boss for the first half of his game, but he becomes a standard NPC by the end of the game. Better Ultros tropes exist. I even get a shout-out in the examples! If you wanna get real flavory about it, Biggs and Wedge are FFVIII's example of the same trope.

Nah, the first example of what I would do is totally reliable. You could confirm it by PMing any of various Mods I've played under, provided the game is over. That isn't the sort of thing a player would "sneakily" change for a game. The second is subject to WIFOM, which is why I indicate as much.

That is not the first time I have openly wondered about scumGlork. Also, it's really not that obvious that there are two scum factions IMO. What makes it obvious to you?

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To be honest, I'd forgotten about the night start, and that's a good point. Could still be scum+SK, though.

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Okies Glorky. Nvm @ other, too; I found your wiki. You are quite the autobiographer.

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This flavor+set-up-based lynch idea Glork has come up with over the last few pages is very silly IMO.

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I'd rather lynch Anti or WE than me. Or Glorky, for all the flip-flopping and the devolution of his preferred lynch reasoning to what it's become.

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I wouldn't put it past the blinder to stop firing just to muddle the situation. Taking away a single player's vote isn't very useful until endgame, anyway.

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PD, you have it backward. Glork appeared to be ignoring/missing half of the equation. I'm pointing out that his interpretation of an absent inker after my death is plausibly manipulable by scum. Glork's rhetoric is the rhetoric that is weak on WIFOM-grounds.

Put another way:
a) If I were scumInker, the ink would stop with my death.
b) If I were townDM, scum would (depending upon the player with implicit connections to me, I guess, but on average) probably still stop inking, because "confirming" me as scum would be more useful than taking away one player's vote early on. They can always start the inking up again late game when it's more useful.

So you should expect the ink to probably stop after my death regardless of my alignment, so it's not a reliable way to judge my alignment.

I'm trying to decide whether Glork thought the Anti wagon would go on its own and he was trying to get off of it, or if he was distancing from Anti and let things get out of hand. There's a 3rd way that makes him town, but I dunno.

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^ Nah, it's L-3. I'm tied with Anti now.

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(EBWOP: Err, I got one of Anti's, I guess, so I'm beating him by 1. w/e.)

I agree with Wolfie about bv.

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Oh, OK. That's a decent point.

I'd still rather lynch real scum, though.

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There's a certain word that's used, but I think it just means that people will think I'm a scum member. So, it doesn't specify that I'll flip "Goon," but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like that given my PM.

I'll ask Kise about it.

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^ Maybe in a mini. This is a large game.

As I've already indicated, I'd missed Devo's prior point. With it, my death is only slightly less informative than any other lynch.

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You've awfully convinced by flavor, then.

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EBWOP: 're*

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KK, that's the real L-1. Let me get the information from Kise before ye off me.

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Err.

V/LA this weekend. I'm visiting family. I'll try to get a post or so in.

I'll check for Kise's PM first.

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Checking in. It's not "Mafia Goon" per se, but it's something similar. Fire at will, or chat first, w/e.

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I'm null elemental. I have no element.

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No idea. I agree that it is spooky.

I'm 100% sure about being null elemental, though, because I went to check my element when dram asked me for it D1, couldn't find it, and had to ask Kise for it directly.

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DEAR KISE --

PLEASE MAKE ME A JESTER OCTOPUS NEXT TIME. THANK YOU.

YEE-OUCH! SEAFOOD SOUP!

<3

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Vote Count:

Iecerint: 9

(KDub, WorseExcuse, Glork, inHimshallibe, bv310, Chronopie, dramonic, bill1148)

Antifinity: 4

(Iecerint, FC Groningen, JPSalazar, PranaDevil)

PranaDevil: 2

(MehPlusRawr, Devotress)

Chronopie: 1

(Antifinity)

WorseExcuse: 0

(wolframnhart)

Not Voting:

DragonsofSummer

Lynch:

9 votes.

Deadline:

May 16th - 3:00 PM EST

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Its body dissipates, layer-by-layer, in classic video game fashion.

lol.

I'm really shocked. After that last mislynch a few days ago, it was almost a scum majority. Great comeback, guys.

And MS, this is where I know you from.

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Oh, wait. Do I count as a dead player with a green name?

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Great game; thanks for running it. I wish I could've stuck around for longer, but I still had fun rooting for, erm, bill from beyond the grave. ^^;

MAYBE I'M NOT AS TOWN AS WE THOUGHT.

Chrono...proxy-bussed? O.o

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I wish I'd held off on claiming in the Inn for just a few more minutes. Everyone claiming anonymously and not being yelled at would've given me the idea, which would've worked nicely for my role. Kinetic yells at people who try to do that.

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The one big scummy thing bill did is when he was all I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LET DOOM KILL WHOEVER IT KILLS. OTHERWISE, IT IS TOO MUCH OF A PAIN. I was O_O from beyond the grave.

It was neat when no one whined.

Then (IIRC?) JP did the same thing, and Glork whined at people who called it scummy.

But then DTM did the same thing as town so idk.

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btw bill i was sad when you died.

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Get an avatar bro. Good first step.

And yeah, Glorky <3.

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I just people mainly based on how much I like their avatars, so I didn't judge you very much.

But maybe that is a sneaky technique as scum.

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EBWOP: judge*

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WHAT?

NO DGB IN MY SE3?

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PD screwed up his claim IIRC. So.

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1. You have to look at all of PD's claims. He left out the bulletproof part once. That was where he screwed up.
2. I (Ultros) knew nothing about elements at all. I don't know why everyone thinks I did. That's why I was so confused when dram was like CLAIM YR ELEMENT D1 and I had to ask Kise whether I had one.
2. I agree with Glorky.

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Inconsistency is reasonable basis for a (mis)lynch. If someone tried to get Cassandra points after that sort of mislynch, I'd suspect them.

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As a 3rd party observer -- it wasn't that you thought Bill was Lich (which seemed clear in general), but that you seemed to think that that meant he should be the lynch, no questions asked.

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OHOHOH. My mistake. I confused you with someone else.

I wasn't sure that you were scum. You were the last mystery one on your team IIRC.