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Let's MC, bottom-up was the plan right?
When I got 2nd in the draft, I obsessed over this game. I must've read the queue damn near 20 times hoping for a hint as what to pick (and for Socrates to crumb what he picked, that scum bastard).
Sorasgoof "just sorta picked his role" when he could've had ANY DAMN ROLE IN THE GAME. HE DIDN'T READ/COMMENT WHEN HE SAW THE DRAFT?
I DO NOT BUY THIS BS AT ALL.
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In case it needs to be said again stop early-claiming you stupid monkeys.
Parama+Prana are both though. I probably won't ever mention them again either because I get confused as hell about their names.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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DLater massclaims are when scum can MC after their 2-shot janitor role has been used.Ellibereth wrote:Soc, could you explain the pros and cons of the D1 vs. D2 vs. DLater massclaims to me?
Huh, Budja wants that.
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Parama stop being stupid town. No one listen to him.
Finay someone with brains appears, Porkens.
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Fuck off, I am not claiming. I refuse to turn this game into a logic puzzle on Day 1 when half this town isn't in any way logical.[/quoteHoopla wrote:Fate wrote:Vanilla for WHAT?
Try again.
Hoopla next
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Here's Socrates post from last game.Socrates wrote:I honestly think this game is vulnerable to a day 1 massclaim, working from the bottom up. Supplanting the number analysis with a massclaim would leave the town with a very good idea of where the scum will be located. Consider what would have happened if we had done it this game.
For the sake of the argument, lets assume that I truthfully claim Cop, jack fakeclaims vengeful, fifi claimes vanilla the tried to get vengeful, Hoopla truthfully claims failed governor, Faraday fakeclaims Doctor. This is about what we were thinking we would do if we had to claim.
We would be left with this:
Socrates claim Cop Cop
Fate claim Bomb Bomb
bouncy.bouncy claim Role Cop Role Cop
Cobalt claim Watcher Watcher
RayFrost claim Tracker Tracker
Redcoyote claim Bomb Vanilla
Jack claim vengeful vengeful (actually vig)
FeFiFoFum claim Universal Backup Universal Backup
StrangerCoug claim Bomb Vanilla
The1fifi claim Vengeful vanilla (actually vengeful)
wolframnhart claim Neighborizer Neighborizer
Devotress claim Role Cop Vanilla
Porkens claim Bomb Vanilla
DocPotter claim Vengeful Lynchee Vanilla
Ellibereth claim one-Shot Governor One-Shot Governor
Dramonic claim Universal Backup Vanilla
Hoopla claim One-Shot Governor Vanilla
TonyMontana claim Bomb Vanilla
Farside claim Vengeful Lynchee Vanilla
curiouskarmadog claim Watcher Vanilla
Pomegranate claim Universal Backup Vanilla
Faraday claim Doctor Vanilla (actually empowerer)
First things first: Faraday would be outed as scum. Cobalt, and Rayfrost would essentially be cleared as town. Scum have little motivation to take these roles and we have other claims to corroborate that those roles are actually in the game. No vig claim means that the vig is scum if he exists (obv). This by itself makes me VERY likely scum, even if I am not the vig, because a scum vig would only know to try for vig if they knew I wasn't going to take the role. So on a cursory glance, we have two town and 2 scum, with the knowledge to look out for the vig.
Now another thing, while roles have no correlation with alignment, telling the truth about one's role is still makes someone slightly more likely to be town. This is because the scum are busy trying to hide the vig, so at least 1 scum and probably more are lieing about their role.
Now, lets look at the universal backups:
FeFiFoFum, Dramonic, and Pomegranate. If FeFiFoFum is town, then Dramonic and Pomegranate are very likely telling the truth about their claim. If FeFiFoFum is lieing about his role, then Dramonic (or someone between them) is scum. Pomegranate is likely town in this scenario unless both FeFi and Dramonic are scum, which is unlikely. (remember, we went bottom up, and universal backup itsn't guaranteed to be drafted like the bomb)
Conclusion:
Pom is probably town.
If FeFi is scum and lieing, then there is another scum below him.
We can draw similar conclusions about the Bomb group and the vengeful group.
For all of the doubles: if one of them lied, they both probably lied. if one of them told the truth, they both probably told the truth.
Wolf would very probably be telling the truth.
I haven't thought this out perfectly so I might be wrong about some of this, and there are probably more conclusions that I could draw from this, but I am too lazy right now.
Now cross reference this with number analysis and an increasing pool of town flips as the game goes on, along with good old scum hunting, and the scum would need to play absolutely brilliantly in order to win.
Thoughts?
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Scum can only claim what their partners have, or their actual role (in which case they can't really use it), or take a gamble and claim a role a townie might have above them.
Hoopla says it makes this game less fun, makes it like smalltown, etc. She also says that scum only has to hide the vig for a few days, and then they get to pick off all the power roles.
That said, we don't have to do it. Like Hoopla said, after a few key town members are offed I don't know if we can leave the FATE of the game in the hands of...
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It isn't the same as smalltown though, it is the fact that we are claiming from the bottom up. Smalltown is just what we would be changing into
Scum have to say, "vanilla to scum role above me" OR "vanilla to X town role above me" and hope that X is in the game. Therefore scum would be narrowed to certain roles. And theoretically easy to pick off.
It'd be interesting to see in practice, but if we can't get support for there's always the Sorasgoof wagon and whoever said it was scum-driven.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Of course scum would lie. They'll try to hide the vig so that they can get more nights of killing with it. They'll try to guess at a role above them and say "vanilla for cop" for instance if they are in fact one of the vigs, so it would take longer for us to find them. Of course that's a gambit hoping the cop is above them, etc.
Also if scum real claim a role such as the Janitor, for instance, then we know they're scum if they start using it.
Etc. etc.
@Prana: We just have to out clever scum, that's all.
Meh I'm not good explainer/convincer. It's Socrates plan anyway, let him push for it more if he wants. Just put me in the pro-MC category (and since we have 3 claims already... it just looks better and better).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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With what? The vig? The night kill?
If the scumvig realclaim we get to direct the scums kill. I.e. they get to shoot themselves if we are right on target.
Also if the doctor is guaranteed to go tonight, THEN HOPE WE HAVE A WATCHER. Watcher+Doc is a powerful combo.
Of course I forgot about the redirector though.. which screws any town claimed vigs/PRs and is a role scum will definitely try to hide/real claim.
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This soras wagon is slow as he compared to the one on me last game d1. Dgb and others chainsaw defense on Porkens is noted.
Stop postin filler and vote soras who has mysteriously dissappeared. It'll make content appear I swear.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Vig is a protown role for the last time. Unless you're against extra lynches.
Also I'm willing to switch to dram even more with that last post, but I'm sure they're both scum.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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How'd you know your draft order than DGB?
You went to the signup page SIX, and said "oh cool a high spot"
without the slightest curiosity of what SIX PAGES OF A SIGNUP THREAD might contain?
Silly scum, you should've just drolled in that thread and hoped for the best.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Oh lord, that is tempting.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Now you have a difficult choice to make. Tee off Elli, or tee off ME.Fate wrote:I'm serious, however I'll vote Dram for now to appease Ellie and so I don't tip my hand.
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Great, now tell us vanilla to what Mr. disappointed scum who didn't get vig.
I'm out for now, DGB's scumclaim I'm fine with but for the love of god everyone else stopFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Pom has mah #2 spot from last game.
She's being wagonned just like I was ;_;
Hoopla and Faraday are scum together again?
NO WAI.
ITS SUPPOSED TO BE DRAM VS. SORAS JEEZ. IF YOU DONT LET US WAGON TWO SCUM YOU MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT YOU'RE BUDDIES.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Ok Ellie, but if we don't MC today can you agree there is very little reason to MC D2 or D3?
Diminished returns ftw.
If we don't to it today when scum no jack *** about the setup (no town flips yet), then we might as well not do it until MyLo.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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"Laces" what? More Aussie lingo?
Anyway what I'm saying is if we don't MC today I'll be against it every other day until MyLo/LyLo like PYPII.
I just thought Socrates had an interesting-
WAIT.
Socrates said Nah?
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Explain.
As pointed out before, once someone up top flips, all the scum BELOW THAT PR can claim vanilla to "that" SAFELY.
If we do it today, they have to gamble on a town PR being in the game, or choose a scum PR above them to claim vanilla to, or claim their own role.
ETC. ETC.
Still want to hear back from Socrates on why he's being so useless with a Fate vote and against his own MC idea.
Scum...!? Proposing the random roll to screw over town!?!?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Thats the problem. They can only get nailed in mass-claim if we do it TODAY.
Otherwise they can claim vanilla to something else above them, or their scumpartners role, or WHATEVER, and slide by.
You assume that scum would real-claim Janitor, for some reason.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Awww Hoopla trying to draw the lynch instead of MCing by being obstinate....Such a cute townie.
The next person that refuses after it gets hammered gets lynched though. The townie abstinator slot has been filled (plus we all know what Hoopla is a vanilla to anyway).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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If they claim vanilla for the scum role ahead of them AWESOME. Scum's roles will match up.
If the higher up scums claim vanilla to a PR above them, they can easily be tracked/watched and screwed (or not use their power, which is always fun.)
Look:
Scum have to lie about their claims. The earlier they claim the longer they have to keep up the act.
Our weak doctor is hopefully in the mason pair and can be hidden anyway (barring some town vanilla that makes it obvious where it is). EVEN SO a Watcher can watch a Weak doctor and a weak doc can protect a watcher. Guaranteed scum caught/neither being killed.
Do I need too link to Pie's MD threads or something? This MCing thing isn't such a bad way to go.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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This town on town banter bores me.
Your last line amuses me though...
You don't think aninformedmajority will make better decisions with PRs than an uninformed lone wolf?
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I didn't make myself clear.
We're not MCing for the purpose of directing PRs. Informed majority is to prevent things like tracking the town bomb when the Town Vig shoots it.
We're MCing to have all the claims and info out there. If a scum claims vanilla they HAVE to be vanilla until all the trackers and watchers are killed.
Your web of fakeclaims isn't as hard to break as you make it out to be. There will definitely be a pattern that will set of a chain reaction if you get one scum flip. (Either by being vigged or lynched).
I'm having trouble backing it up, yeah, and Socrates neglecting his brainchild for dead isn't helping.
But I'm town and I know MC will help us in the long run, and it is only effective if we do it now, or "later" at the "site-meta approved time." Stop being ignorant to creative ways of playing the game. It is what killed town last game when I didn't lynch based off numbers, and went off "normal play" instead which can be misleading/manipulated.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Oh lord math again.... here PYPII ISO Hoopla:
viewtopic.php?p=2141910#2141910 We already went over this.
The worrying thing is that Hoopla isn't pushing it this game,FoS: HooplaFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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"I'm bussing this dumbass! He's a liability!"-Dram
"What should we have him claim so they leave him alive? Vig right? That way we can just redirect his kills and he'll have a few more days to live"-???
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The maths were real. And the scum plan, (brilliantly, I'll add once more) was to get me lynched, and then town would be afraid of touching number analysis ever again. AND/OR bus Hoopla, so that when she flipped scum town would go "# ANALYSIS IS ALL LIEZ!" When in fact it was true, and if we had used it at LyLo and lynched Jack instead one of the doubled up numbers, we would have likely won.Sando wrote:Ok, I'm not responding to simple reasoning without any maths, if you know I'm wrong, and I'm more than willing to accept that I could well be horribly wrong, then show me how. I can't say that I'm fantastic at stats, but I've done Stats 101 and work with stats a fair bit at work.
Also, we know that Scum were number theory'ing this. I've previously stated why a low second number is the best option, yet the top person chose 12 for their second number? Why?
Fate, why are you quoting scum-motivated maths?
Soras choose his numbers then never looked at thread again, apparently. So how did you choose your role?
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Pom I swear to god if your vote isn't on soras by the next vote count I'll derail my own wagon and switch to you. And by that I mean it better already be on soras and I'm just too lazy to go back through the thread so I'll wait for the next VC to being my true rage against this scummy post.Pomegranate wrote:
I see. Well, I think soras is scum. How is that a neutral stand (because soras is a large deal).DrippingGoofball wrote:
You've been overly neutral when it's time to take a stand. You know sorasgoof is town and you want to keep your hands clean.Pomegranate wrote:What changed your read on me from town to scum, since you last stated it?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I'm not giving her a chance to vote Soras before the next VC, I was just waiting to see who she was voting, is she really not voting anyone?
Hot fucking damn.
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Oh... jesus. DGB get your facts straight before you make me switch my vote, you know how much energy that takes?Pomegranate wrote: viewtopic.php?p=2233340#2233340
I have not unvoted since then. Iso me or something, but don't get your facts wrong.
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This vote format is killing us Spyrex! STOP BEING SO EFFICIENT AND BEND TO THE WILL OF THE MASSES!
KIDS THESE DAYS AND THEIR SWEAR WORDS AND FANCY VOTE COUNTIN' TECHNIQUES!
BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO WALK 15 MILES UPHILL IN THE SNOW TO GET TO A ***ING VOTING BOOTH. THEN WE HAD TO CHISEL THE NAME OF THE SCUM WE WANTED TO VOTE INTO GRANITE AND STACK THEM IN PILES TWENTY FIGHT TALL.
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Budja's in this game? The hell?
Too busy modding to give us some love green guy?
Ellie, you ever play with Dram before? Active lurking it to dram as killing people is to Porkens. The whole draft list thread thing is a meh point.
That said I still have role-related info on Sorasscum.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Yes dram, consider yourself lucky. You can get away with as scum too...
I like a liar Meta better. I dierolled and choose different numbers and I haven't been strung up yet...
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KEKEKEKKEKFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Just changed 'role-based' out for 'knows more than the rest of the general popluace' if that makes you happy.SerialClergyman wrote:Because it's a huge distraction for me and probably everybody else that he keeps using that trigger word 'role-based' when I doubt he should be.
Can't we all just read between the lines?
ReSomebody: Yes I'm scum with soras, now please follow through with the plan, let me bus the #1 scum PR and look awesome D2.
ReSocrates: Wrong. Soras is going to flip scum.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Serial you got it all wrong. Just look at Zoiaum's join date.
Anyway yeah manho is probscum out of the 1,1 pair Parama, but we're not lynching him today.
Join a real wagon pl0x.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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The VC is all sorts of wrong, Spyrex needs to wake up. (DGB is voting for soras? lulz)Zang wrote:I thought I was voting soras
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And also it is ##.
Lol ok SC now its Zoiaum+Me as a scumteam?
Who are you voting again?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I'm just saying I think it is a newbtown tell to think "wow he's defending that guy soo much! They must be scum together!" instead of considering the possibility of DGB being scum trying to look good by defending Soras.
And then I look at his join date and I get confirmation bias. *shrug*Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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And since it is so easy, why even bother asking for one on soras? Besides, what better case can I make than my role PM telling me he's scum.
That said I'd love a Pom wagon to rival it, and since it is so easy, you could post a d1 case on Pom to convince lesser minder townies to join the Pom wagon.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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That wasn't how it was supposed to go down. Parama you fucking moron.
##Unvotemaybe he wasn't at l1. I wonder how many of our PRs set in actions... if the mafia sent in a kill I'm down for a parama lynchFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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HAHAHHAHA YOU ALL OWE ME MONEY.
LOTS OF FUCKING MONEY.
AAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAHWHWHAHA
Vote: manho
NEVER DOUBT MY ROLE RELATED INFO AGAIN.
GG Socrates.
In other news Hoopla may very well be scum again this game.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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