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@CKD: Thank god it's not true this time. I've been so sick of being scum recently that I don't know what I'd do if I hit it again. Probably freak the hell out and claim miller just so I don't have to deal with fuck all later.
I'll try my best to read up tomorrow night (stupid Easter), just wanted to post that I'm here and gonna be pushing the pace, so the rest of you townies should be prepared.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Ok, with my super duper scumhunting in the first 5 pages technique (similar to the 5 point palm exploding heart technique) I will
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while also wanting to vote for dybeck.
Sera is obviously scum and it should be clear from just the first 5 pages. dybeck is in the same scum-boat rowing on another oar.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Well, my two candidates are still scum based on posts made since last night.
I'd really like to get a wagon going on either of them right now instead of anybody else; but that being said I haven't seen much else yet.
CKD, Javert, Ojanen and Papa Zito: What are the most significant parts of this game so far in each of your opinions?
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@Sera/Pom: Oh I will, I'm just finishing up a full read today and gonna put together something tonight in a while.
@Javert:
Do you believe that he {Seraphim} was being intentionally vague in trying to push for a (mis-)lynch or that he was honestly confused as to the use of the terms?Javert wrote:1.)Seraphim, I agree that boberz's post was unhelpful and difficult to read. But it is clearly stating an opinion and giving commentary. When you labeled it as IIoA, you were basically calling it scummy, and that is made obvious since you quipped "thanks for confirming your alignment, scum."
Mypoint is that I do not find that particular postscummy, and I do not understand why you seem to think it is.
There is a difference between Town, Pro-Town, Anti-Town, and Scummy. Please try to differentiate between them -- if you aren't used to doing that, I ask that you humor me.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Just got to bv actually posting, and I have a 3rd scumspect. Espionage is my 4th. If I needed a fifth it'd probably be NickF.
So therefore I don't think that Richard or boberz is scum.
Boberz (no offense) reads as about the biggest VI ever (and I've played with a lot of VI's).
Javert does make a couple good points about Porochaz. Probably upgrade him to my 5th suspect.
@Sera: What differentiates a scum pbpa from a town pbpa? Why are all pbpa's scummy?
Sera's reaction to boberz does reinforce my position on him. Shortly (edit, I lied, it's not short at all), my case against Sera is this:
First thing that seemed off to me was the seemingly jump into a serious note while instead prolonging the RVS (PZ is obv scum, must be wagoned in ISO 2 to PZ is scum because he's a pirate/said 'arr' in ISO 5.
Really doesn't say anything until Sera votes for Richard in ISO 14 (for no reason, and before the infamous "you all should lynch me" quote from Richard)
Does anyone else see the dichotomy here? Sera doesn't want Richard lynched, but does want more votes on him (???) and Richard said he was pulling a gambit which Sera says scum are more likely to do (so why doesn't Sera want Richard lynched again?)Seraphim in ISO 18 wrote:I don't want Richard lynched but I do want to see more votes on him. I'm not letting him get away with this 'gambit' bullshit unless he pulls out some analysis. I don't care if he's inexperienced or not, wallowing in self-pity does the town no favors. Under pressure, scum will often pull 'gambits' as a way to take pressure off themselves. Nope. Not gonna happen.
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Ooooookaaaaay, Richard does deserve to be lynched. (This is after asking Jah and bv opinions on Rich in ISO 19, and then in ISO 20 asking for clarification on bv's position after bv responds to ISO 19)Seraphim in ISO 21 wrote:Depending on what Richard does next, bv may be my next suspect. I may have to read up on his meta because his posts are throwing up red flags.
ISO 22 is also a classic, so let me bold the important parts:
First bolded: FoS'ing people that essentially want activity from all players; especially when not even bothering to look at the motivations behind each of the posts asking for lurkers to be poked with a sharp stick. Suspicion of a group without regard to pro-townieness/scumminess? riiiightSeraphim wrote:FoS: All 'lurker hunters'
I don't know how many of you are scum or not. All I know is that your crusade is not helping anyone and is getting on my nerves.It's not scum hunting because you have no reason to believe DocPotter is scum. If he doesn't post today, he'll be replaced. Big effing deal. It's the first week of the first Day. By focusing solely on the lurkers, you are acting like them by not participating in the game and giving us little or no read on you. Use your vote to hunt possible suspects and let the mod do his job.
Anon's recap post is terrible.Richard is not an 'easy target', Richard is a player with strange anti-town behavior that needs more consideration and more pressure. He's been backpedalling and doing all sorts of scummy stuff. Not to mention jumping on a wagon based on the RVS based on this craplogic is very bad. Very bad. I wouldn't doubt that if Andrew is scum, Anon is scum with him.
dybeck, why ABR?
If I had another vote, I would be voting bv310. He's straddling the fence like a horny anteater. He's still voting Porochaz for 'extending the RVS'. Bullshit. Not to mention, as stated earlier, his posts just scream scum to me.
Second bolded: singling out a single lurker asking if they were scum. This does not seem sincere at all: it's a sweeping generalization about why people are voting for lurkers. Even if it's "not scumhunting" it is progressing the game.
Third bolded: This is the best of them all: Richard is anti-town, and then he's scum (which is largely for the same behavior that richard has been doing all game, and previously Sera didn't want him lynched)
Oh, and what happened to that bv hate? Oh, it comes up herewhere he accuses bv of not taking a serious stand on anything; but just goes on with his regularly scheduled program of pushing what I feel he knows to be a Richard mislynch. Like so:
All of which has been said previously comes from scum. This continues in ISO 27 and ISO 28Seraphim in ISO 26 wrote:Please explain, since you are such an expert at reading players, why he backpedaled and then said his 'lynch me now' statement was a gambit.
Finally Sera decides that the wagon on Richard isn't going to go through so he puts a "case" together on bv here
Oh, and just forget about Sera's whole first portion of the game where he was pushing for a lynch of Richard because:
O RLY? Must've been a pretty convincing VI since you said he was scum throughout the game until that point.Seraphim in ISO 43 wrote:I just feel like Richard is exhibiting VI behavior.Also, my feelings towards the wagon are influenced by the fact that my major suspect(bv) in on there along with a few other players I have questionable reads on.
Richard: summarize your play so far in the game in five words or less.
Also, why is Faraday scum?
Sera's still not done attacking Richard (since he's a VI, right?) in ISO 44 and ISO 45
His extended case against BV looks forced at this point (linky especially the part about "PZ is vig" (this is stupidity, that statement was not alignment indicative) and the "bv brought up his lurker meta, but hasn't lurked" (oookay, so why is this scummy?) and finally for "attacking richard a lot".
Yes, read that last line again. Attacking richard a lot is now a scumtell (apparently).
Don't forget to combine these gems of wisdom:Seraphim in ISO 50 wrote:-snip-
Still, I feel like bv310 is the place to be. My gut and my head are in agreement.
He's {bv} absolute scum, Sera's head and gut are in agreement, but he's likely to be town.....Seraphim in ISO 60 wrote:While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought.I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation.
Seeing as the Nick wagon is based on a really strange contradictory statement he made, I will wait for him to explain himself. In the meantime, time to check up on this Espeonage guy...
Also:Seraphim in ISO 55 wrote:-snip-
Second point: bv wagon = Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
hmmm...if we assume I'm town, I feel the town is the majority here. Richard is VI, I think. That doesn't excuse his play but that's what I'm feeling right now. That's likely to change if he doesn't get off his lazy ass and post. Espeonage is most likely to be bussing scum...I don't get that feeling from Richard.
Wait, what? This is the wagon on bv about 17 hours after Sera's post, and no votes or unvotes occurred during that period (early page 22 to first post page 23)Seraphim in ISO 61 wrote:I'm not letting bv310 off the hook...I'm just ensuring that I'm not ignoring what else is happening in the game. Also, I've been looking at the bv wagon and a lot of the scummier players in the game are on it. This has caused me to doubt the wagon's validity.
Hmm, looks like the same wagon to me. Wonder what changed here... (hint, it's nothing, and Sera is looking for any reason not to lynch his partner bv on Day 1)Patrick wrote:bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Then throw in the "boberz post is IIoA" "oh wait it isn't" "hmm, they're still not helpful to the town and therefore boberz is still scum" that Javert pointed out recently.
tl; dr version: Sera is scum because he pushed hard on somebody he truly didn't believe was scum (Richard) and flip-flopped on bv for absolutely no reason other than he doesn't want his partner bv lynched. He also doesn't believe in boberz being scum.
Finally, in the time I've been putting this together:
/slaps both boberz and Richard
Cut that crap out. Neither of you are making decent points and you're just spamming for spams sake.
I'm done for a while, that wiped me out and I can barely see anymore. I might post something on dybeck later for being scum with bv and seraphim.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@Sera: So if there's no difference between a scum PBPA and a town (admittedly anti-town) PBPA, how do you really justify a vote based on that? I ISO'd you pretty hard and you didn't even talk about boberz until the pbpa thing. It's because of this that I feel that you don't really think that boberz is scum since you can't differentiate between town and scum pbpa's and you're now going after somebody regardless of their alignment over one isolated incident.
As to Richard, (estimation here); I'd say most of your posts that were over one line were in relation to him for the longest time. I've documented your changes of heart over "he's doing scummy behavior, but he's a VI, but every time I've seen this behavior before it's been by scum" crap that you had throughout the day.
Besides, bv is my third most wanted dead. If I can't get you lynched, I'll judge my time left to see if I can get dybeck lynched otherwise I'll hop on bv's wagon. As there's 4 days (I was told deadline is the 8th even with me just replacing in) to deadline it's probably not possible but I want to push my top suspect first.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@Sera: From the tone of your posts lately it seems like you should be voting for boberz; and I don't know why you aren't given how much you talked about him. I don't see how
someone who is more likely to be town (but still scum?)Seraphim in ISO 60 wrote:While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought. I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation.
would be less scummy than somebody who's done pbpa's, made a critical defense of whom you were attacking to "derail the wagon" and from what you've said (or not said) hasn't really done anything pro-town.Seraphim wrote:Read the original quote again. Nice misrep, BTW. I said he was MORE LIKELY. Not LIKELY. I said MORE LIKELY. Big difference does that modifier make.
Oh, and you still haven't explained this little gem:
Finally: let me ask you: what motivation would boberz scum have in saying what he did if bv were his partner? Is he trying to protect a fake-claim with that? Something that no scum team ever sets up for day 1? I'm not buying it at all and that is the exact reason why I'm not voting for boberz. The more I think about it I'm getting less and less willing to vote for bv as well.Amished in 731 wrote:Also:Seraphim in ISO 55 wrote: -snip-
Second point: bv wagon = Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
hmmm...if we assume I'm town, I feel the town is the majority here.Richard is VI, I think. That doesn't excuse his play but that's what I'm feeling right now. That's likely to change if he doesn't get off his lazy ass and post. Espeonage is most likely to be bussing scum...I don't get that feeling from Richard.
Wait, what? This is the wagon on bv about 17 hours after Sera's post, and no votes or unvotes occurred during that period (early page 22 to first post page 23)Seraphim in ISO 61 wrote: I'm not letting bv310 off the hook...I'm just ensuring that I'm not ignoring what else is happening in the game.Also, I've been looking at the bv wagon and a lot of the scummier players in the game are on it.This has caused me to doubt the wagon's validity.Patrick wrote:bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHPI'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@farside: I replaced into that game with ckd and richard on day 3 or so, and from replacing in here, the feel of Richard seems really similar. I haven't done any extensive meta or anything of him, but his overreactions that seem over the top for anybody else and sulking fit what I know of him. Other than that, I haven't seen anything that just jumps out as scummy to me.
How much do you think you get buddied overall by town and/or scum? (town that just get a good read on you and scum that know you're town in one form or another)
I need to look over pom for once cause from my limited experience with her I've been rather successful in determining her alignment with very little to go on.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@farside: Ok, based on that I'd be up for a Pom lynch over bv or richard since those are the two major wagons at this point. I've seen her as each alignment only once but I remember her as town as a bit more vocal, irregardless of v/la.
If more people don't weigh in on Sera in the next... 7 hours or so (midnight my time) I'll switch over to get a lynch done.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@farside: I completely agree with 782. Though that's the same feeling that I got from him (and ckd did too) in that large. Even though he was tracked to roleblock a confirmed scum (I think that's how it went down) he still came under a lot of fire cause he was pretty useless and loud otherwise.
That's pretty much the only reason I don't vote him, cause he's so similar to my only experience with his town game; and he doesn't seem the type to be able to mask his game as much at this point in his mafia career.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Well, with.. 2.5? days to deadline unless you start something convincing *now* it's really a waste of time in my eyes. Especially since there's no plurality voting rule or anything and we need to get something going.
Unfortunately, nobody was around/commented on Sera-scum; so I shall
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lol, because of a case on you, you think that you won't be nk'd? You had.. what, 3? people on your wagon tops? And that was only after *I* joined in? Yeah, that's sure to keep you from being nk'd if you were town.
It's a good thing you're not town; maybe a vig will see that as well.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@Pom: The only thing that gave me pause before voting you now was how easily the wagon grew today. I need to be able to spend more time looking at today but just going off my feelings yesterday I'd say claim.
Also, your reaction to ABR who was a pretty constant supporter of your lynch yesterday as somebody who wants to ride out your death to a town lynch couldn't be further from the truth and pretty blatantly misremembering the facts which aren't that confusing.
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Pom's claim is bullshit, the "weak" version isn't classified as a hider, and I claimed hider as scum in NY92 in an attempt to buy another day and "clear" some people (stupid cop investigations *shakes fist*). Leaving her alive just creates WIFOM and she's full of it anyways.
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I think Pom's claim is bullshit, a hider isn't that confusing at all; and the weak version of her claimed abilities isn't even a hider. She could still be night-killed if she's hiding? Are you seriously believing that? That is not a hider.
Her role possibly might be a weak cop type thing but it's still a useless role and just leads to confusion if she says who's she's hiding behind (then scum could take her out as well as somebody else) or falsely implicate somebody by killing her and not the target?
dybeck has been scummy as hell throughout the game and sets off my gut-scum at every post. Nothing he says has lead me to believe that he really believes in anything or that he's scumhunting off the top of my head. He was one of my top suspects yesterday and he continues to be today.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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With your "weak" mode, you'd know that you could be nk'd in multiple ways so you still need to breadcrumb as a hider to make sure you're not useless in case you die. However, you didn't do anything to help confirm an action that you say you did; nor be useful as a townie if you are what you say you are.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Oh, Sera asked me a question, I knew there was something I was forgetting:
There are more pressing matters to me right now. You're still on my radar, but Pom is easier scum; and this way I have more time to evaluate you.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Pom: It's still not that hard to figure out a good strategy/tactic with common roles. If you're unsure, then you can look at how other people played said *common* roles. You using ignorance is not an excuse to not know how to play.
Also, Porochaz still not wanting to hammer Pome? Seriously? If there hasn't been somebody as scummy as Pom around I'm sure he'd do more. However, we have caught scum, what more do you need from a slot other than voting it?I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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... This is why I hate large games, I forget about all the scummy people that I want to dayvig from the day(s) before.
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I want dybeck to still eat a curb for his discussion that will probably help to out current power roles. Seriously, STFU.
Sando is for the reason ABR brought up (the "theory" and going against it), since that really rings true for my scum game as well.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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You think scum don't know who the town is? Really? Are you that blind?dybeck wrote:
You're basing this upon what, exactly?Amished wrote:I want dybeck to still eat a curb for his discussion that will probably help to out current power roles. Seriously, STFU.
If mafia are getting night results from our investigators, etc, as I suspect, then some caution in the way they're used will conceal power roles, not out them.
Scum have a lot more info than we do. They don't seem to be doing a bad job of lynching/NKing our power roles so far - let's try and stem that tide.
PRs are responsible for not outing themselves - everyone just needs to be a bit sensible in what they say.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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People to lynch list:
Sando
dybeck
Espy
Sera is close in there for my early suspicions but with everything else lately he's had to drop down more due to other people being more scummy. Nick looks like VI and an easy target (which is why I'm uneasy about Sera attacking him on this page with a weak case)I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Agreed.Faraday wrote:Espeonage wrote:
You're wrong on both counts. Even if I were scum, how would that clear Nick?Amished wrote:Yup. Esp is also scum, Nick is town.Vote EspeonageI'd be so fucking shocked if this post came from ANYONE but scum.
Still like the Sando lynch (what has he done that hints that he's even town?) and the dybeck/Esp. lynch.
Agree with Jah that Nick still looks town
@Espy: Because you're scum, I expect you to ultimately go for mislynches. Since Sando was gaining traction, and you vote for Nick it both implicates Sando as your partner and tells me that Nick isn't part of your scum team.
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@ABR: Me either.
@ckd: I've said that I thought Nick was town due to other people's interactions with him, ABR I also think is town. If you don't want to give an opinion, just say so but don't try to accuse me of not giving one when not asked for one like you have.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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I noticed something was said about my interaction with ckd:
There were people being prodded, and the thread was absolutely dead. I saw a statement that I wanted clarified and it didn't happen. With it being so dead, it doesn't really seem that hard to do a quick iso and say something along the lines of .. whatever, really. Just to get an opinion out there, I know there are people who I haven't directly commented on but if asked I'd take a quick look and tell you how it stood if I had the time sit at my computer and refresh to see if there was a response to my post.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Makes sense to me. My guess is that your weak mode is easily influenced by outside factors but your strong mode probably would've seen through her hide; much like her claimed weak mode would still allow her to die if she were targeted with a NK.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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There's still two killing roles out there in one form or another (PZ-vig died N1; 2 kills N2; I believe that a kill of ABR was blocked last night which is why I still don't see his wagon as anything but opportunistic scum (oh hey, look, it's Espy and Dybeck...)).
@ Javert: Do you think dybeck is scum on his own merits, not counting a connection to Sando? (the line of thought should be pretty clear here)I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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I was leading down the road that if Javert didn't think dybeck was scum *with* Sando/bv; then I was going to try to put something together that dybeck would be the SK. I don't know what sort of scum dybeck is, but it doesn't really matter to me.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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For one of your points that I saw, Javert: I analyzed the Porochaz kill because Poro wasn't exactly topping my "pro-town" list. Also, with only one kill on N1 I figured that Porochaz was responsible for blocking one of the kills (since there were 2 on N2). Obviously a hider or other unknown night actions could be responsible but I try not to deal with "maybes". Especially with a Jailkeeper (which I tend to like as a role overall), my experience seeing them is that they breadcrumb or are otherwise very obvious with who they jailkept the night before. Richard seemed like an obvious mislynch just knowing his style and with all the hate against him on D1. I assumed that Richard was who our mafia group sent to kill (already dead weight, might as well not risk implicating anybody else with a potential tracker or watcher). That's the reason for that kill.
For your questions:
i) Between SK and mafia group? SK, 100%. It both eliminates an anti-town night kill and gives more time to look for connections between scum (4-1-15; 5-1-14 are both options at this point, though now that I think about it, an SK in a game this size would probably have a NK-immunity and that could've accounted for a lack of NK too)
ii) Oh, handy dandy, refer to the top of the post.
iii) I have no idea if dybeck is scum with anybody. The only time I ever see connective tells is when it's obvious that one scum is attacking one person for something, but giving a pass to a scummate for doing the same thing (lurking, or active lurking is an obvious example). I've always been better off with scumhunting by finding solo-"tells" than connections; so I just make a case based on the person that I'm attacking. It both yields me better results and doesn't allow for scum distancing or buddying which I have a hard time discerning.
@Jahudo: I don't have a formal case on dybeck, he's somebody that I've felt was scummy pretty much the entire game. If you want me to go back and point out what was particularly scummy of him, I'll be glad to.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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What are you trying to say with the bolded?boberz wrote:-snip-
I have read today properly and I am really worried that ABR is dominating conversation too much considering most cannot conceive of scum doing it.I think Javert was good to move towards AMished, but tbh I dont see it.I am worried that nobody else commented on this, presumably they wanted to see how the conversation developed and avoid having their opinions nailed down. Bad.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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What she said.farside22 wrote:I will say that yes Sando could have tried the ole X is scum therefore my vote but that rarely works. I fake claimed cop once and said I got town on someone I knew was town and everyone thought the player was my scum partner.
He was town.
Nick is a mafia teams wet dream of VI's.
Javert, do you only look for associative tells?
How is bv and Nick associated then?I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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