Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[StrangerCoug]

Hello

##Unvote

Internet will be slow until about 7:10 PM MDT thanks to this stupid fair access policy of my ISP's, so I'll see if I can do a readthrough tonight or tomorrow.

What's the important stuff right now?

[StrangerCoug]

Off the leash. Here we go...

[StrangerCoug]

This is after a read up to page 12. I don't claim to have everything important from that section of the game here; if you want my stance on something major that I left out, speak up.

#9: Whoa, xvart! We're already out of the gate with a strong accusation against Parama here, and I'm not quite sure that I understand your vote reason.
#14: Noteworthy post, but typical DrippingGoofball.
#28 needs a closer look when I'm paying more attention.
#33: What is TRADTiMM?
#35: I don't understand how Jack can draw the conclusion that UncertainKitten asked about a post restriction.
#44: Another notable DGB post. I'm liking this lady.
#46: I thought town needed to get rid of the cult before winning, hence they are hostile. Unless zoraster did something crazy (which admittedly cannot be discounted), I don't see how DGB is in the wrong.
#64: I understand how Parama voted VP Baltar on the meta case. He hates those arguments.
#73: Why does this come off to me as Ellibereth's usual play? I think we've only been in one game together before this one.
The top of page 4 seems like a pissing contest between VP Baltar and Parama.
#101: Ellibereth and DGB could be masons (whether the strategy of claiming masons early is good or not is beside the point), or they could be referencing a QuickTopic from a completed game. I'm not entirely fond of the FoS's.
#104: It looks like Parama explained #86 to xvart. Maybe #101 was a newb tell.
#107 comes off to me as frustrated.
#143: Leaning town on Debonair Danny DiPietro, though I want to see more of him.
#145: Sorry, this is not a nudist colony xD
#150: I don't understand the part of this after the comma:

The role you get is random, I know since I asked Spyrex to be a paranoid day cop no less than three times.

#162 is making LlamaFluff townier than I already thought him. Clearly thought out case on xvart.
#167: Did xvart fall asleep? Parama already said that part of what he's talking about here is from a QuickTopic from a completed game.
Bottom of page 8: Gammagooey is giving me a bad vibe, but I can't pinpoint it.
#208: I've had it with xvart's having to have everything spelled out in front of him with alphabet blocks, and this is about something explained to death.

##Vote: xvart

#249: Interesting DDD post.

[StrangerCoug]

TRADTiMM is a Tar game where I was an inquisitor and the town and scum were stupid.

The explanation is helpful, but I was looking for what those letters stood for.

Why is xvart scummy, Coug?

Largely due to his reaction to the QuickTopic from Mafia 109. Doesn't seem legitimate to me.

[StrangerCoug]

Picking up from page #13 now.

[StrangerCoug]

#303:
#310: Why are we resorting to lurker lynches this early?
#314: I'm not liking the counter against the IIoA or WIFOM accusations.

FoS: Phate

.
#335:

GUYS.
STOP POSTING SO MANY GODDAMN WALLS. I STARTED SKIMMING THEM HALFWAY THROUGH PAGE 13.

Quoted for truth.
#349: Why Fishy? Inquiring minds want to know.
#367: Leaning slight scum on DDD now. This is basically "People won't help me go after player X, so let's go after player Y for vague reasoning."
#448: Did I miss the memo?
#456: If I hadn't modded StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare II, I'd be skeptical about "unbreakable alliances". One helped town win that game despite an American Mafia and a jester getting included in it.
#471: Typical of DGB to fake a daykill, I think.

Again, if there's anything important that you want me to talk about that I haven't, speak up.

[StrangerCoug]

The back of my head tells me that that's a scummy reaction, but then again, I don't know if popsofctown is accustomed to DrippingGoofball's *gets tied up and gagged by Parama*

I think DrippingGoofball is the only person who can drive me up the wall and then some and still give me a town vide.

[StrangerCoug]

Pops is full of Wifom.

A claimed VT with lots of suspicion not getting shot why?

There being no vig makes the best sense to me, but how does popsofctown know that?

[StrangerCoug]

I thought popsofctown was talking about himself, not Parama.

[StrangerCoug]

For the love of God, you guys post a lot when I'm not on. I'm in the States, too.

As for Fishythefish, lynching him is probably in our best interests (either he or farside22 is going today, and since Fishythefish admitted not being town-aligned, the scales are tilted against his favor), but I want to play LlamaFluff's waiting game. I believe I've seen stupid town lose. Heck, the other game of zoraster's I've played might be a good example.

[StrangerCoug]

I agree with Debonair Danny DiPietro here. He's the best choice for the lynch.

##Vote: Fishythefish

[StrangerCoug]

Well, I'll be voting Gamma first thing tomorrow.

Care to give reasoning behind this?

As for the Fishythefish claim, I can make heads and tails out of it. I agree that we should not be wasting time getting rid of the "other"s, so

##unvote

for right now.

I think LlamaFluff vs. farside22 is town vs. town. Not sure what to think of Plum's asking the "branches" (I"m going to use that blanket term for the three) to massclaim as I don't quite know the long-term effects.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not saying your massclaim idea is bad, Plum; I'm just saying that I don't know how to take it either way. Is there something about the massclaim that you realize you forgot?

[StrangerCoug]

Plum is prob town, Nico needs to die, SC needs to realize that farside vs. llama wasn't alignment related except for the debate on Fishy's alignment. I'm pretty sure they aren't accusing each other, and in fact farside's...reaction to llama indicates she thinks him stupid town.

So, that brings me to my point. Why bother pointing out it's "town vs. town"?

##FoS: StrangerCoug

farside22 wants Fishythefish dead; LlamaFluff wants him alive for right now. I thought, therefore, that one was accusing the other, thought the other had some sort of ulterior motive, or something like that. However, neither of them seem scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

Is the mod colorblind? xD

I do like this Troll wagon, him being dissapointed in Phate's wagon falling apart but not particularly thinking that Phate was scum is still bugging the hell out of me.

##Vote:Zorblag

Interesting.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: Sorry, not gonna cut it. FoS stands.

I don't see how my defense is inadequate. Am I not entitled to my opinion and my reasoning as to how I came to it? If I misunderstand the situation, where am I in error, and how does my error make me scummy?

[StrangerCoug]

It was pretty obvious they weren't attacking each other in the sense they thought each other to be scum.

If that is true, then I missed this.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: Well, yeah, you have to say that now, or else you admit you're scum .

One of us was clearly misguided on the matter, and I was ready to accept it was me if that proved to be the case.

@Fishy: You are not town. That is why the town should lynch you. Are you as dumb? Seriously what type of question is that.
Fishy not town = lynch.

##Vote: farside22

. This is coming off as a policy lynch of absolutely anybody not town, and hunting for Mafia should be priority.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: Elaborate on why farside is scummy. Explain how her actions benefit scum.

A policy lynch is an excuse not to take a player's actions into account when deciding who is scummy or not. It's like saying "Oh, this guy is of no use, so let's dispose of him." Anti-information = scummy.

psst Coug, just paraphrase UK where she said "A scum tracker WOULD be something Vi would do. And any lynch that's not mafia is a mislynch FOR the mafia. "

Didn't UncertainKitten say she didn't want people helping me come up with a defense?

HoS: Jack.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: What about meta supported policy lynches?

I generally don't like going for those with better information on the table. The exception is LALiars (probably because I consider lying a strong tell), but even that doesn't always apply.

If farside22 can convince me that there

ISN'T

better information on the table, then I may change my opinion of her, but for now her recent actions are unsettling.

[StrangerCoug]

If farside22 can convince me that there

ISN'T

better information on the table, then I may change my opinion of her, but for now her recent actions are unsettling.

Huh? From what I can tell farside wants an admitted non-town lynched because she thinks fishy is lying mafia (possibly roleblocker) with an awesome safe/fakeclaim. What does that have to do with "better information on the table"?

If she thinks Fishythefish is Mafia, she should have pushed that rather than the fact that he admitted he wasn't town.

We can begin by lynching Troll.

Then we can vig Nico.

It's very simple, kids.

Jack, StrangerCoug, imaginality, pops, d3x, Phate, Nico >>> unproductive voters.

Apparently, being oblivious to the Zorblag case = being unproductive. Could you bring me up to speed?

[StrangerCoug]

If farside22 can convince me that there

ISN'T

better information on the table, then I may change my opinion of her, but for now her recent actions are unsettling.

Huh? From what I can tell farside wants an admitted non-town lynched because she thinks fishy is lying mafia (possibly roleblocker) with an awesome safe/fakeclaim. What does that have to do with "better information on the table"?

If she thinks Fishythefish is Mafia, she should have pushed that rather than the fact that he admitted he wasn't town.

So you admit to knowing he stated he was not town. And think he should be spared lynch because he admitted to not being town.
Let me ask you something here.

Way to misrepresent me, farside22. I said your focus should be Mafia, not just anybody not town. If you had kept your Fishythefish case solid and convinced us that he was Mafia, I would have no objections, but you said that claiming not town gets you the death penalty. There is an other/non-hostile alignment possible, and the mod has said that, by non-hostile, he means that their win condition doesn't preclude the town winning. I think Fishythefish is non-hostile other; it doesn't look to me like you give a damn what he is anymore.

Apparently, being oblivious to the Zorblag case = being unproductive. Could you bring me up to speed?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 36#2266636
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 03#2267003
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 21#2267921
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75#2267975

A productive vote could be on Troll, Nico, or Fishy... or even a player that has another vote. There is NO WAY that we're lynching farside. EVA. You need to move that vote.

I beg to differ on farside22, but I can hop on an SK lynch. That needs to go early.

##Vote: Zorblag

I am now voting hostile other.

[StrangerCoug]

##MFoS: SC

How intriguing that you prefer an

SK

lynch to a scum lynch.

The earlier the serial killer dies, the less we have to worry about kingmaker, prisoner's dilemma, or any similar scenario. Yes, the Mafia should still be getting priority. However, the serial killer cannot be left in the game indefinitely.

@StrangerCoug, out of curiosity, what was it about the posts that DrippingGoofball linked that convinced you that I'm a hostile other and that I'm a better lynch than, say Nicodemus today? It seems that you agree with her that I'm not mafia. Was it the part where she accused me of ignoring her analysis just after I'd made a post saying I'd be giving a defense shortly? Was it the part where she tried to use my not denying that I'm a Serial Killer as a point against me right after I'd explained why it was I picked town for my alignment? Is it that you agree with her that I've been coasting and fake scum hunting all game?

The last two pretty much did it. (I'm still not familiar with the Nicodemus case either, by the way. I simply don't do as well in larges, but I apparently don't let that get in the way of my best efforts )

[StrangerCoug]

So if it's my coasting and fake scum hunting that I've been doing all game that has you convinced that I am a serial killer (or some sort of hostile other at least) I wonder if you could explain what you mean by coasting and why you think I've been doing it more than others. I'd also like to see a couple of what you think are my most egregious instances of fake scum hunting. It's a bit surprising that you're voting for me before you're familiar with the case on Nicodemus given that you made sure to ask about mine before deciding but I assume given your answer that you did take the time to look over at least my play in isolation before making your decision.

For the most part I'm piggybacking off DrippingGoofball, but your ISO does look like you're not scumhunting on any sort of consistent basis, hence coasting. Some posts I would like you to explain are:

@Shotty to the Body, an easy way off that part of my fine lynch list is simply to post when you get the chance. If finals have kept you busy then you'll be able to make it up after their over.

@popsofctown, you know it's funny. Back when I was deciding what alignment to pick I thought that I might say I used exactly that same method (only with higher non-town numbers) to pick my alignment if I decided to go for scum or other. I never actually considered using the method though. You make it tempting to leave my vote but right now I'm slightly more interested in who will follow the lead to Phate (who's also a fine lynch.)

Unvote
Vote: Phate

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

While I'm waiting,

##Unvote
##Vote: popsofctown

If people are going to fall out of love with a Phate lynch and a wagon is starting on popsofctown I'm pretty happy moving back there. He'd be a fine target for a vig or whatnot but if people want to lynch him instead I'll support that as well.

This admittedly isn't that bad since you give a good explanation, but it would help me if I could figure what you were thinking in terms of FishytheFish's alignment:

I had been thinking that if Fishythefish had been able to tell if the person he transmitted to was town (via points or what-not) then he might have been worth keeping around for an extra day to verify popsofctown's alignment (or someone else) and then killing tomorrow. Apparently he's not useful for that though. Also, apparently he's leaving out multiple details if his current claim is true. I'm not sure how many actions I expect him to have but if he had one for last night and thinks that he can accomplish more today before getting lynched it's certainly more than I would have guessed.

I wouldn't be hugely shocked if he was telling some of the truth with his claim but sadly, given how xvart flipped, it seems unlikely that we'll know much until after the game is over about what can do. Perhaps I'm wrong and there's something about how xvart was killed that's kept that information on the lesser side but I don't see how talked to death would be likely to make that the case.

If people want to give him time I doubt there's much chance that it'll do that much harm but I don't think that he's sharing enough to be worth keeping around for the time he's asking for.

##Vote: Fishythefish

Anything else that I've got to say about the game should keep just fine till tomorrow.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[StrangerCoug]

Life is tiring and the site is slow, so these are just quickies:

farside22, since she's not a lynch option, needs a bullet put in her head.
Zorblag, that your posts don't look like scumhunting.

[StrangerCoug]

Elli, why do you think I am in a points group?

[StrangerCoug]

Elli, why do you think I am in a points group?

Cuz' I do.
If all you non-neutral people just claimed it would make life easier for all of us ya' know.

I'm not neutral.

[StrangerCoug]

Holy crap. This playerlist got 5x better. As long as she doesn't lynch herself. Trust me, it seems to be a recurrent them when UK is in games I play with.

No wonder she quoted me talking about her in her sig, then xD

[StrangerCoug]

farside is bussing troll (her SK partner).

I thought SK's were on their own?

[StrangerCoug]

Why does animorpherv1 seem off?

[StrangerCoug]

For some reason, I think animorpherv1 is in a points group. "Precautions" with no other explanation?

I still like my vote, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Funny vote from popsofctown, but given that deadline is imminent, I don't think he has much to explain about it.

[StrangerCoug]

Anyone notice that everyone throwing away thier vote except charter (and maybe pops) need to die?

Let's see... RedCoyote, d3x, Shotty to the Body, and Nicodemus. The last of the four is the competing wagon, and I remember seeing something about RedCoyote (remind me to check when it's early the next RL day). However, I could use a refresher on d3x and am oblivious to the Shotty case.

(I know, I'm pretty detached from the game. Sue me.)

[StrangerCoug]

##Unvote: Zorblag

[StrangerCoug]

Fishy, what time zone are you using in #1289?

[StrangerCoug]

Because you're useless and you're not Town. Do you disagree on either count?

Way to tie yourself to farside22.

I'm not telling what I targeted him with, unless we massclaim. I didn't kill him.

Yes, I think farside22 is scum. No, this is not the right way to respond to her. She already knows you're something.

##Vote: charter

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug, if you think farside is scum, do you think I'm scum with her? Your vote makes no sense. Honestly, the three people voting me look really opportunistic. Farside has made every opportunistic vote available the entire game.

It makes perfect sense if I think you're either on an opposing Mafia group or a serial killer.

Way to tie yourself to farside22.

Hm? How so and what do you care to imply by saying so?

Both of you look like you're policy lynching non-town indiscriminately, so I think the two of you share an alignment.

[StrangerCoug]

Um, not policy lynching non-Town indiscriminately. Read my posts, please. I'm in for outing them indiscriminately and am more interested in seeing clearly who's what. There

is

a reason for this. Separating out true Other claims from fake ones helps see where our pool of true scum actually is. That's why, for example, I'm happy we have outed d3x and Shotty as Other, and have Zorblag at the very least to help test such claims.

Again, check my posts and note that while I talk a lot about outing Others as a good thing, I clearly stand

against

policy lynching them.

It appeared that #1379 was advocating Shotty's policy lynch. I'll look through tomorrow.

It makes perfect sense if I think you're either on an opposing Mafia group or a serial killer.

Good try there slick, but you're going to have to do better. There are two kills each night. We know where one comes from, so the other is almost assuredly scum. There's no third kill for me to be a SK or another scum group.

BZZZT!

You're in a closed setup and you cannot necessarily use the lack of something to prove that it doesn't exist. Who's to say that nobody blocked a kill two nights in a row?

So back to the question, do you think I'm scum with farside, and how do you think that works?

I thought this was implied. No, I do not think you are scum with farside22. Additionally, a hostile non-other flip from farside22, while something I don't think will happen, won't surprise me; therefore, I could be in serious error by pushing for her lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

If you're going to say I'm scum despite the lack of any evidence to support it, then you're going to have to come up with a working theory that fits.

I did. I gave two possibilities that I see perfectly reasonable: that two kills were blocked, one per night; and that I'm wrong on my farside22 read.

So far you're just calling as many people scum as you can despite contradicting evidence..

This is completely incorrect; in fact, what I'm getting on myself for is being quiet about my reads, especially yesterday. I have only ever voiced suspicions of xvart, Phate/animorpherv1, Fishythefish, farside22, Zorblag, Plum, and you. That's barely over a quarter of the players that signed up. Of those, xvart is dead, Fishythefish since claimed non-hostile other, I'm now leaning non-hostile other on animorpherv1 also, I believe Zorblag's claim, and I need to reread Plum to see if I believe her defense. So the best thing you can do is to claim that my reads on you and farside22 make no sense since I don't think the two of you are the same alignment. Instead, you generalize it as calling as many people as I think I can get away with scummy. Not the way to respond to me either.

I'm starting to read SC as scum. Call it OMGUS but definately something off when reading SC.
Anyone want to take a crack at reading SC and tell me if I'm off my read?

If you or anybody that responds to your request finds something specific that could potentially incriminate me, I'm all ears.

[StrangerCoug]

I looked at Plum in ISO and it is clear that she's pushing alignment claims, not policy lynches. I don't see anyplace other than her ISO 32, where she counters me, where she takes an anti-policy lynch stance, but I don't think she has to worry about pointing it out since she's not going down that route.

[StrangerCoug]

@everyone, I'd like a yeah or nay on mass claim with your next post. If you're opposed to it now after all the claims we've seen I want to see reasons why you oppose it.

Well, the post after this indicates that most roles are outed already (and it looks like I'm third from last), so I guess I'll spill that I am a LGBTQIA Rights Organizer, town neighborizer. To paraphrase my motive, a win would give me an easier time getting rights.

I targeted LlamaFluff Night 1 and UncertainKitten Night 2. I'm trying to pick town players unlikely to be nightkilled that night. LlamaFluff did not tell me that he targeted anybody specific, but speculated that RedCoyote was either bus-driven with another player or redirected. What I do have from him are two numbers: 517511, which was changed to 5172111.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug, do you know exactly when those numbers changed? I'd guess that the first one was generated in N1 (well, twilight, after the mod-kill) and at the start of D2. I'm also guessing they're strings of numbers rather than single numbers. There aren't quite enough of them (they add to 20 and 18 respectively) but it looks like some sort of distribution of roles. That actually adds a lot of credence to DrippingGoofball's claim if it's the case.

The number appears to have changed sometime between May 19 at 5:51 PM EDT/3:51 PM MDT and May 23 at 5:24 PM EDT/3:24 PM MDT.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug, hmm, that's more at the end of the second day. Did he talk to you during twilight before he was killed?

Now that I've checked, LlamaFluff gave the second number to me post mortem. The mod must have allowed a grace period, since LF didn't appear to know he was dead yet.

I take it he didn't give any context with the numbers and that you're pretty sure that he was giving updates as they happened (and wasn't just holding out on giving the second for some reason?)

Nope. No context, no believed reason to be holding onto the second number.

[StrangerCoug]

I thought the numbers were QT numbers, believe it or not. It makes somewhat better sense as a breakdown given your comment about them, though.

[StrangerCoug]

I have this nag right now: If the numbers are a breakdown, then how'd I get a six-digit number, then a seven-digit number?

[StrangerCoug]

Holy snipefest! Ah, well, called ani there.

Leave it to a Vi influenced game to have an limited unlimited Dayvig.

I'd ask if I stuck something like this in SWN II, but Vi reviewed that game.

Just a vig at night, but I can shoot anyone I damn well please ^-^.

WE don't have two vigs, that include an unlimited dayvig.

We have an unlimited dayvig, and a SK.

You are the SK.

UncertainKitten's claim in this thread matches that in my neighbor QT (other than the addition given in the QT that anybody that survives her kill goes in a neighborhood separate from mine) and faking vig as SK is suicidal in the long run, so I'm not willing to give this creedence. Zorblag also can't shoot everybody; if he couldn't, he wouldn't effectively be a government cop. I can make perfect sense out of UK's claim.

Unvote: charter
##Vote: DrippingGoofball

[StrangerCoug]

I'll give what happened since my last visit a quick read. I couldn't think of a neighborizer target in time.

[StrangerCoug]

As far as StrangerCoug goes, if DrippingGoofball is mafia then he's a pretty decent choice for a partner. The numbers he got from LlamaFluff which he says he hadn't figured out at all would be a pretty good trap for someone like me to interpret in a way that made it look more likely that the census collector claim was true. Of course as it turns out they require that LlamaFluff passed the second one on after he was already dead which is a bit surprising.

I wouldn't assume that LlamaFluff's reputation as a scum hunter would make scum not want to neighbor with him; scum would probably try to get cozy with town in any case and if LlamaFluff hinted roleblocker or redirector of some sort in the qt that would make for a tempting kill for the mafia last night.

Feel free to let the WIFOM accusations fly, but the only way in hell I'm neighborizing LlamaFluff as scum neighborizer is if I want to suck up to him.

@Gamma: I find that's often SC town. He's very passive and doesn't make waves. However, I don't know SC scum very well.

I've been described (by my predecessor, actually) as spontaneous town and calculating scum. I actually like to think of myself as more aggressive, but later in the game what you say is pretty much true.

If you don't mind I would like to ask a question from SC first.
StrangeCoug is there any reason you didn't target anyone yesterday if you are a neighborizer?

See my last post. There is a target I'm thinking I would probably have neighborized now, but it's the target I'm going to use tonight instead, so I'm not going to claim him or her.

Well, since it's

neighborizing

, you don't know their alignment, so you wouldn't fail to bring them into your neighborhood.

This is correct.

It's not wifom, or gut, hunch, or suspicion. (Well I guess there is an element of suspicion). It's a sane cop investigation of Not-Town. No wriggle room. Just Rope time.

Rope time is when you answer farside22's question, and then only if I believe you. I refuse to believe UK is idiotic enough to claim vig as SK.

I'm now leaning town on farside22.

[StrangerCoug]

The only games on this site I've seen where scum can use an active ability and make the kill were newbie games, if you've seen other games where that happens here show me 'em.

@Gamma: Oh, every game I, Tar, Malt, Kai, and other mods run.

And Plum just showed Zora is such a mod.

I also mod in such a way.

[StrangerCoug]

I reserve the hammer. I want Plum and Charter to have enough time to investigate UncertainKitten.

[StrangerCoug]

Did I not say I reserve the hammer, charter?

FoS.

[StrangerCoug]

Just keep flailing.

Just keep throwing useless crap.

[StrangerCoug]

Just keep flailing.

Just keep throwing useless crap.

'
What is useless about my noting UK is flailing? Now, your post on the other hand...

What is UncertainKitten's other option, to sit there and resign? UK may be crazy, but she's experienced enough to know to do that regardless of alignment.

[StrangerCoug]

Yeah xD

[StrangerCoug]

I think popsofctown sealed the deal for me.

##Vote: charter

[StrangerCoug]

What the hell makes you think we're doing that? I'm not believing a word out of Chronopie thanks to popsofctown.

[StrangerCoug]

IF I WAS MAFIA WHY WOULDNT I JUST KILL YOU AT NIGHT IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SK? or even if you were a vig.

CLEARLY UK HAS NK IMMUNITY BECAUSE SHE IS A SK.

I don't care, hurry up and lynch me or Plum hurry up and get here.

I've modded a game where the serial killer

DIDN'T

have NK immunity. (This particular one was daykilled instead of nightkilled, but the nekomata role makes no mention of immunity.)

Also,

FoS: Everyone else still in favor of an UncertainKitten lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Damn it. I thought we had this.