Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

[VP Baltar]

Her lying about the number of insanities she actually has, as proven by our communes.

Wait, I'm still missing something here - our communes say that she has to have at least two insanities, right?

Yes. But she should have only had one because the rezz didn't give her one, remember?

[VP Baltar]

Yeah well, so much for prodding her into reaction and see if she actually stalked or not.

How about lynching dram and letting Plum carry out the murder?

[VP Baltar]

What's wrong with that plan? Seems to me that it maximizes the death's of scummy people. Right now there are thirteen people alive and probably 4-5 scum. There is at least one scum in Plum/Farside. Dram looks really bad from PoE on the vote counts. Getting rid of all three players in two days (assuming successful murder) instead of three seems like a win-win situation to me.

You think it's that likely Plum already has two murders?

[VP Baltar]

Eh, perhaps. I'd want to lynch a cultist if we're not going with Plum today. I frankly can't tell if DGB is scum or town who just doesn't care to participate in this game. I don't think she's cult though.

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote: dramonic

*twitch*

I await good reasons not to do this.

[VP Baltar]

I also felt that she personally took an infraction during I think day 2 so she wouldn't have to rob graves.

But wouldn't that have also stopped her from participating in the ritual if she's cult?

Also, wouldn't you want plum dead today if you're town? I don't understand a switch if you KNOW she's lying scum.

[VP Baltar]

SOG, do you still have your occult books?

[VP Baltar]

Now that dram has been incapacitated, I might be willing to go along with the DGB lynch today just to get it out of the way. Basically, I think iLord's plan says it all. Those should be the grave robbers.

Unvote, Vote: DGB

*twitch*

[VP Baltar]

Why are we not having farside rob tonight?

[VP Baltar]

^ this. It's basically a precaution to prevent suspicious people from carrying out a night action. Once you rob two graves, you can't do anything else at night.

I understand the need to save a body for tomorrow, however, so maybe we can sub farside for someone on the list? idk.

[VP Baltar]

Fair enough. More lynching DGB now.

[VP Baltar]

And SOG, if you still have Occult books, I think it'd be good if you checked rewq tonight even if it'd probably be useless.

[VP Baltar]

Night plan sounds fine by me.

Elli robs elvis_knits, wicked
Magua robs evilsnail, wicked
Kunkstar7 robs elvis_knits, wicked

That fine?

no, that is not fine at all. You rob EK and ES.

Yeah, dram is right here. There needs to be cross robbing on all bodies and a body should not be robbed by more than two people.

In fact, I don't like the grave robber coming up with the grave robbing plan. So, new plan is:

Elli robs evilsnail, wicked
Magua robs EK, wicked
kunkstar robs EK, Evilsnail

[VP Baltar]

@ani - if he chooses psychopathy then we just lynch him later. There was already one likely 2-kill murderer lynched, so it would take kunk at least six nights to win the game as murderer. Somehow I find that an unlikely possibility.

[VP Baltar]

Eh maybe, do we plan to test it for each of them?

I need to think about the numbers and whether or not those votes may be necessary in three days' time if we don't end up lynching them.

[VP Baltar]

I was just thinking that we likely don't want/need them to have their vote, and if they take it tonight, the game'll probably be over before they regain it.

I mean, testing isn't going to be THAT bad for it. just a matter of getting someone to L-1 and then having each of the attempt to hammer. I'm more concerned about preventing the murderers from voting if they're in that group. They want to kill the cultists and other murderers as much as the investigators do, so crippling them isn't necessarily helpful to the overall cause of lynching scum. Conversely, if the rest of the cult is in that group, then limiting them makes them basically useless at day and night.

@ani - why would you want people taking hallucination so early?

[VP Baltar]

Unvote

*twitch*

I really don't know if this DGB lynch is the optimal choice today. I mean, she was early and fairly consistent on the cult wagons and she was purportedly checked for insanities by farside. Now, if they were on the same scum team I guess it would make sense trying to clear one another, but that'd be suicide as soon as one of them was dead. So, if she's not likely cult and really only has 2 insanities (thus meaning she's very unlikely to be murderer), why are we lynching her?

Yes, her play has been pitiful this game, but she's not the only one I could say that about.

rewq455, I'd like you to give your actions from every night in your next post and your reasoning for taking those actions please.

[VP Baltar]

I thought you were worried about SOG earlier?

While I think rewq has acted townish enough, I don't think I'm ready to give him any kind of a free pass and I want all of his night actions.

Why is it that Elli can't really be cult again? Damn this game and it's too many things to remember at once.

[VP Baltar]

Alright, that makes sense enough.

Do you really think DGB would bus as much as she did if she were cult? I dunno, I find it hard to believe that'd she'd camp on multiple buddies like that just for cred when she's clearly not trying in this game anyhow.

What about lynching Magua today and have DGB rob tonight?

[VP Baltar]

@iLord- Yeah, so SOG had his sanities verified by me and thus can't be murderer, but what about cult? He was early enough on Nicodemus (I need to look at specifics there), but was later on CSL and didn't even vote when SlySly was lynched.

I just really want to be careful that we're not clearing people who shouldn't be cleared.

[VP Baltar]

Posted my night actions

Yes, thank you.

[VP Baltar]

Farside does make a good point about the start kill. That makes me feel better about tonight.

Vote: Magua

*twitch*

[VP Baltar]

DGB's not likely cult or murderer and I have thoroughly explained why. Out of our VERY small pool of suspects, Magua is clearly the best option today. Do it.

[VP Baltar]

VP Baltar: Besides the communing with iLord/SOG, is there any other ways you can prove that you are not cultist, besides behavior?

You mean besides being fairly early on every cult lynch, warding Adel as my first action, having my insanities proven by iLord, opposing several easy mislynches and generally sticking my neck out at most every turn?

Nope.

[VP Baltar]

ffs, you guys are still talking? Lynch Magua already so we can move on. I'm getting bored of this game.


*sigh*

I'll post a catch up post here tonight probably.

[VP Baltar]

Hey everyone, deadline is tomorrow. Stop blathering on like idiots and get to lynching.

[VP Baltar]

Someone, anyone, vote Magua. I don't care who you are. There is still time to secure today's proper lynch.

iLord, help me out brosef.

[VP Baltar]

Well, we're past the deadline anyhow. I have failed.

[VP Baltar]

dramonic, please list all of your night actions up until this point.

[VP Baltar]

Since plum was cultist, does that make farside confirmed town?

Not confirmed, but I think it is much more likely now that she is town.

DGB-why did you stray from the plan? What were your pro-town reasons for doing so?

dramonic, still waiting on you buddy.

[VP Baltar]

stalk-murder-stalk/rob-rob/rob-stalk/rob-none

something like that XD

Ok, so you probably took psychopathy early since your intention was to go murderer.

And then I'm not too keen on accumulating insanities, I've got 3 already and I wasn't too enthused with the prospect of getting a fourth.

You would have gotten an insanity from robbing the grave though....

Wait didn't Plum state she rez'ed Adel on night 1. I wonder why she would do that.
Then we had ksun saying that Dench stalked Adel with the intent to kill.
Why would cultist scum save one of their own?

This is a good point. Plum flipping cult should be the final piece of the puzzle to round them up I think. I want to go back to the vote counts if I can find some time.

If dram is one of our murderers, we should only have one more correct?

[VP Baltar]

I'll just do the vote counts. I really hate when people auto clear themselves. You also have Ellibereth as clear because you took his count and he is very likely to be scum.

[VP Baltar]

Did you hear Noise last night? This is just me making sure I didn't get warded.

I did indeed.

My gut still says that Magua is cult. I'd be up for lynching him if we're leaving dram until tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

no fucking idea why the hell they would rez me, but maybe it was to build town cred as i am an obvious townie. in any case, i will say that rewq has no more than 1 insanity, as that's what i figured out last night.

Adel was not an obvious townie. Also, rewq having low insanities doesn't really clear him of being cult.

[VP Baltar]

DGB's almost trying to be lynched. VP, you still think she's town?

I hear ya. I've given her a lot of leeway so far, but I'm certainly not going to cry if she gets lynched before this game is over. I think Magua is much more likely cult, but I basically agree with your potential scum list.

I say we lynch Magua today, dramonic tomorrow, then probably DGB the day after that. That or we could always impliment the vigilante killer plan at some point and really start eradicating these scumbags.

[VP Baltar]

vote: Magua

*twitch*

I'll be doing my votecount analysis probably on Sunday afternoon. This is likely to be my last post until then.

[VP Baltar]

You believe you have Aversion? Aversion to who?

[VP Baltar]

Sigh, can we please get some action in this game. Yesterday was a disaster because people dawdled until deadline. I'd rather not have lynches with only two people on them.

People I would lynch today in descending order: Magua, Ellibereth, dramonic. I think everyone needs to be voting one of these three people and advocating why that wagon is the best for today.

I think Magua is the best choice because he is very likely cult. Also, you can see from his major drop in activity since he came into the game that he is feeling the pressure from all of the scum lynches. At this point, I fully expect the remaining cultists to be posting as little as possible as they try to survive to more favorable conditions later in the game.

[VP Baltar]

sigh, DGB, some players are more insane because we forced them to rob graves every night. Please leave this to the pros if you aren't going to be up on current events.

[VP Baltar]

Because cult is a bigger threat than someone who's action isn't going to do anything tonight. Optimally, we should be lynching cult before off nights and murderers before on nights. It maximizes the protection of the town from night actions.

[VP Baltar]

Nothing unexpected is going to happen though because all of our top scum suspects have been forced to rob graves. Once we off one more cult, we can effectively prevent their kill too by making the last member rob graves. It's win-win.

Dram is dead tomorrow, so no worries. Hell, I wouldn't mind stalking him and killing him if people want to save on lynches tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not understanding your issue SOG. We want dram dead, so murdering him seems to be the fast track to that and we'd get to lynch tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

I don't want dram to rob the lynch today if it's not him. Also, people should vote Magua. I would like to win this game some time this century.

[VP Baltar]

Then let's lynch him.

How about this, we lynch murderer-dram today and then I stalk/murder my choice of Magua/Ellibereth/Furcolow/SOG. There is some risk that we'd try to run up the same person i'm going to murderer, but I think it can be avoided easily enough. Optimally, iLord and I would both stalk/murder over the next two nights to really up the body count so we can knee cap the remaining scums, but that's harder to do without coordinating in thread.

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote: dramonic

*twitch*

[VP Baltar]

It's a mercy kill really. Should have stuck with the town.

[VP Baltar]

vp is a narrowminded town player.

What does that mean?

[VP Baltar]

vp is a narrowminded town player.

What does that mean?

I find your play town and your view's narrowminded.

That's pretty eloquent. Thanks for the elaboration.

[VP Baltar]

I want to use my books on furcolow

Didn't SOG do that already?

[VP Baltar]

We need to lynch iLord... the engineer behind all the double-grave robbing and resulting insanities.

That's actually one of the better ideas that came up in this game and is likely the reason why the town is so far ahead at this point. You're much more likely to be lynched than him. But keep pushing that rock.

[VP Baltar]

We need to lynch iLord... the engineer behind all the double-grave robbing and resulting insanities.

That's actually one of the better ideas that came up in this game and is likely the reason why the town is so far ahead at this point. You're much more likely to be lynched than him. But keep pushing that rock.

Did you follow Magua's calculations?

No because they are grossly exaggerating the situation. There aren't more than six scum cult in this game. I'm simply stating that as a fact now. We've lynched correctly every single day this game, so to insist that we are close to being screwed by the number of cult is to assume that Percy is an incompetent mod, of which he is not.

Second, dramonic is CONFIRMED MURDERER, which Magua seems to ignore because he's not actually following the game. He claimed murderer. The mystery is gone. Furthermore, he is counting dramonic as a mislynch later in the game when he's getting lynched today.

Also, he is worried about all the town having their votes taken away by insanities, which isn't really the case. Most of the people who are voting dramonic right now are likely town people and we all still have our votes. I have mine and I don't plan to lose it any time soon due to insanities.

All in all, Magua's post just looks like scum trying to scare the town with hypotheticals into being much more paranoid than they need to be. It's much easier to get mislynches out of a paranoid town than it is out of a calm and logical one.

[VP Baltar]

L-1

Someone hammer this fool. Good effort, dram. Time to hit the locker room.

[VP Baltar]

Which town players beside myself are able to carry out a kill still?

[VP Baltar]

What would the requirements be to be able to make a kill?

Having not killed anyone in the game yet. Two kills makes you into a murderer, which we don't want. One kill makes you into a badass vig.

Basically, the way we can circumvent Magua's concern over people not being able to vote is to save up or vig kills for later in the game. Cult cannot do this and if we get them down to a single member, we shouldn't have to worry about not being able to vote so much.

[VP Baltar]

Who's going to kill Ellibereth? He's cult.

Nobody is killing tonight. I'm just planning ahead if we need it.

[VP Baltar]

Yes, iLord is correct. Stalking and killing should only be something done after being directed by the town. We need to save those kills as a safety mechanism in case the game gets away from us over the next couple of days. Right now we just need to stick with the plan of lynching our likely scums and we'll win...possibly in one of the best town victories ever.

[VP Baltar]

Super town alliance. Scary to the scumbags, huh.

[VP Baltar]

Who targeted me last night?

Insanity Infraction

[VP Baltar]

I heard noise. I won't reveal anything else until i know everyone who targeted me last night.

[VP Baltar]

Also, POST 3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VP Baltar]

Anyone else what to claim a rezz kit on me?

[VP Baltar]

I'm indeed bloody. I was targeted last night.

ani & magua - did it say if I was targeted for a murder or the ritual?

[VP Baltar]

VP, who are we lynching today?

I'm not 100% sure yet. Need to finish my questioning first. I think the noose is around the right necks though.

[VP Baltar]

I'm ok with lynching Magua, but it's just a matter of determining if he's the right choice. He probably is.

I was saved from the cult Ritual for the record. I believe I had at least one cultist on my stalk list and that was the reason I was targeted last night. I see three reasons for Magua claiming what he did today:

1) He's town and really did rezz me last night.

2) He's cult who knew I didn't die last night because he targeted me. When I asked who rezzed me, he claimed he did it to save face and buy much needed town cred.

3) He's cult who DID rezz me for the above reason. The cult ritual was real, as was their choice to rezz me.

Three seems a bit ridiculous. One and two are plausible.

I'm not certain if I will be claiming my stalk target (or even if that person was on my list yesterday). We'll see how thinks play out.

[VP Baltar]

Doesn't VP have Taboo: Launder?

No, I will be laundering tonight.

[VP Baltar]

my biggest concern right now is that someone like rewq or kunk is scum outside of the target range.

[VP Baltar]

my biggest concern right now is that someone like rewq or kunk is scum outside of the target range.

I think it's far more likely for Magua, DGB, and Elli to be the remaining scum. I'd be much more comfortable eliminating them first rather than moving on to people like Kunk and rewq.

Elli is picture perfect murderer, behavior wise. Notice how his interest in the game has almost faded entirely - how else would you expect a murderer who was repeatedly forced to be RB'd to feel about his personal investment in this game?

Neither Kunk nor rewq are likely cultist, so by POE, Magua and DGB are likely the last two.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, we should stick to our original plan of knocking off these highly suspicious people. I'm just the type that worries when things seem so easy. I agree that Elli is scum (almost guaranteed) and probably a murderer.

So, the question is do we eliminate him today or cult? I am thinking offing him is the better choice since it guarantees one less kill. Killing a cultist probably isn't going to do that today.

Of course, we can't really force two cultists to rob the same graves. They will just say they both did it when it was really only one. Maybe lynching cult and then forcing Elli/whoever to rob tonight is the better choice?

Hmm, now that I'm thinking out loud I think the latter might be better. Thoughts?

[VP Baltar]

Question: wasn't it said yesterday that I would be protected over night? Why would the cult target me last night if the KNEW I was going to be rezzed?

This may add credence to the Magua as cult theory. I don't see why scum would waste a kill at this point unless they had a very good reason (gaining much needed town cred).

I need to think some more about the lynching cult vs. lynching murderer question. iLord does bring up a good point, however. Losing one player tonight isn't going to be a huge deal for clarification.

[VP Baltar]

I don't think we lose an extra player. If we lynch Elli, we get the cult kill tonight. If we lynch a cult, we still get either the cult kill or the murder kill. It's a kill tonight either way, but this way we eliminate and make clear an extra variable.

yeah, you're right. we're probably going to lose a player regardless tonight.

Diagram time!

Scenario A: Lynch Elli (murderer)

Magua + other suspected Cult rob dram and Elli => bodies flip + town death

Scenario B: Lynch Magua (cult)

Elli + other suspected Cult rob dram and Magua => likely shenannigans from Elli if he's close to victory. He no doubt stalked last night, so I expect a kill. Possibly two.

If Elli is the last murderer, we are basically guaranteeing a scum kill every night until we get two bodies to limit the cult with, but at this point I'd rather have that than a murderer win.

[VP Baltar]

sigh, apparently I got two insanities last night and i should learn to read my night PM better. One from my action and one from being saved.

Note it in your chart.

[VP Baltar]

scratch that. He claims to have robbed bodies night 5 to get to insanity 7.

kunk what did you do last night to gain an insanity and why did you do it?

I communed you to get a higher insanity count. I'm trying to beat dramonic.

Can we lynch this guy ^?

I actually thought it was pretty funny.

What are your thoughts on the lynch cult vs. lynch murderer debate?

[VP Baltar]

Just so everyone knows, I took distraction as one of my insanities, so I won't be voting until we are truly set on a lynch. At the moment I kind of agree that Elli is the way to go. He poses the greatest threat to the town win con.

[VP Baltar]

I believe Elli probably has more insanities than he is letting on at this point. Also, the base number isn't really what you have to look at. You need to see how they got their insanities.

I don't disagree that kunk is a bit suspicious, but I say we kill off our main group of suspects first and see where that puts us.

[VP Baltar]

I don't see how that makes him "confirmed non-town". Deserves an answer, but it's far from confirmation of anything.

@Furcolow - when you checked on the thread did you click on it?

[VP Baltar]

Because he checked the thread - AT NIGHT, but then didn't go to send in an action. This means he probably stalked, or was your murderer (I can see this. Too stupid to know any difference).

Yes, I understand your logic. However, I can think of at least one good reason why what he said means nothing toward alignment. You're jumping to a conclusion without considering every possibility.

people against this and standing up makes me feel antsy especial as I haven't received a good answer to why Elli is murder. I don't see it.

It was explained earlier in the thread. The main reason was that he was planning to go murderer early. Anyone who was planning to do that would have taken psychopathy as an insanity at the first possible chance instead of waiting for two murders to go through and inhibiting their voting. Since then Ellibereth has been locked into grave robbing and has been prevented from carrying out his killing duties. Additionally, all you have to do is read the thread to see his massive change in behavior from active to super lurky with no original thought after he was outted as a potential murderer. Trust me, he's not town.

[VP Baltar]

And kunk is exempt from this same thinking because............???

Furclow checked thread saw it was night but claims he didn't do anything.
It's a lie, straight up VP. Being blind, deaf and dumb to that logic doesn't make sense.
Having a flipped cultist that rezzed said player means I'm not moving my vote any time soon.

Who said Kunk is exempt? In fact, I think earlier in the day I said I was worried about him and rewq being scum outside the top pool.

In terms of furcolow, as I've said I can think of at least one very good reason why his story makes sense. I'm not going to feed it to him and I'd like to hear his explanation. Being snotty and short sighted doesn't make sense.

[VP Baltar]

Kunk and Furcolow, quit stalling and get some answers here. Attention isn't going to turn away from you just because you're not posting. Don't make me go and do a site search for you.

[VP Baltar]

How did you gain insanities from communing?

[VP Baltar]

oh, duh, never mind. god this game and it's rules.

[VP Baltar]

I thought you were joking about your reasoning. You need to die at some point.

[VP Baltar]

I have nothing sensical or really new to add. I would say that number of insanities =/= confirmed scum. While they are more likely, cult members could easily be on the lower end of the insanity scale.

I personally think a lynch of Ellibereth is MUCH more likely to hit scum than a kunkstar lynch is.

One question for kunk, however, if you are forced to rob two graves tonight, are you going to be able to avoid taking psychopathy?

[VP Baltar]

I was a retard and investigated iLord last night because I forgot he was bloodied etc. etc.

lol, you're scum.

[VP Baltar]

Ah yes, as we can see my laziness is in full swing this game.

My offer still stands for the remaining scum to just claim and get the inevitable over with. I'm bored.

[VP Baltar]

So is anyone opposed to lynching Elli at this point?

[VP Baltar]

if anyone has any questions for me, feel free to ask

Who did you stalk?

[VP Baltar]

I'm ready to vote once we actually decide what to do due to my insanities, which is why I wanted to make sure we are committed to the Elli lynch.

[VP Baltar]

I should have put comma there probably for ease. Anyhow, yes I have distraction so I'm not voting until we're absolutely sure.

[VP Baltar]

Vote: Ellibereth

Who is robbing apart from kunk?

Insanity Infraction

[VP Baltar]

damn it

Vote: Ellibereth

*twitch*

[VP Baltar]

I will launder, no worries.

We have two bodies though, so we can have two people robbing the same bodies. If either person gets equipment then they know that the other person did not rob.

I recommend Kunk and Magua both rob dramonic and Ellibereth tonight.

[VP Baltar]

I think they could possibly have equipment from all the bodies they robbed. Additionally, there is an outside chance that Elli is town (however unlikely), so he would probably have equipment if that was the case.

It'd be too much of a risk for hypo scum kunk or magua NOT to rob.

[VP Baltar]

well it's not worth having you do then. Who should we substitute in for Magua?

[VP Baltar]

DGB, are you ok with being lynched tomorrow?

[VP Baltar]

I side with farside here. Furcolow should have all of that information. There is no way Percy would not give that to a player in a game like this.

[VP Baltar]

I totally misread what farside was asking. I thought she was saying who he tried to kill, not who tried to kill him. That makes no sense.

Anyhow, someone freaking hammer Ellibereth now.

[VP Baltar]

don't you have twitchy?

[VP Baltar]

Also, DGB clearly did not rob graves last night and is probably cult.

Agreed. Wasn't she supposed to be robbing graves other nights too? I need to check back. If she skipped robbing any of the nights, then she may have been robbing with a likely cult buddy.

Kunk successfully robbing both graves last night and the murder going through means that he's cleared now. He will no longer be grave robbing. It probably makes him less likely cult too...we'll see. (I think there's a reason he can't be cult either...but I've forgotten it...didn't he murder someone?).

And now I'm sad. iLord has left me. BFF RIP.


Now taking applications for a new BFF who wants to win this game in royal style. Must be confirmed town and intelligent. Desire to obliterate/embarass scum a plus. Opportunities to advance for the right person. Post your resume and at least three reasons why you're obv-town/cannot be a murderer or cult.

Scum suspects to be posted after i get some reviewing done. Needless to say, Magua still needs to be lynched/killed soon.

[VP Baltar]

eh, I need to review...which is tiresome. If there is evidence in thread why you (anyone) cannot be a murderer or cult, now is the time to post it so we have it available concisely.

[VP Baltar]

vp I thought you were going to kill someone last night.

I was originally planning to, but I laundered last night instead.

I'm pretty certain kunk is a murder at this point

Really? How did he rob the bodies last night and murder? We know for a fact that he robbed...so how do you figure he is the last murderer?

Basically today we absolutely need to kill our murderer. He or she is one kill away from victory (unless some town player is going to claim the DGB kill). Let's direct our energies toward finding that person. I believe there isn't more than one cult left (if DGB is indeed cult) and that person is not a threat at all right now.

[VP Baltar]

Kunk, wanna be my new buddy? I pretty much agree with you that furcolow could have been that kill.

[VP Baltar]

ani, what night did we stop forcing you to rob graves?

Can someone reiterate for me once more (I know this is annoying and I apologize, but I'm busy lately and dont' have time to pour over the thread atm) why rewq is cleared?

[VP Baltar]

VP: in regards to Kunk he had no choice but to take murder for insanity no matter what he did last night. Are you not paying attention to his sanity count?

Go read the rules and count the number of insanities on the list. He did not have to take psychopathy. Additionally, there is only one murderer left in the game based on three kills day 1. Kunk cannot be the last murderer (who killed last night if you're paying attention) because he was robbing graves. These are facts, not speculation.

Who here has aversion right now? If so who is the aversion to?

I need to consider if this is worth answering or not.

As far as I know rewq was never cleared, I think we tried but the rewq/SOG/evilsnail deal was ruined with a evilsnail kill.

That kill has always bothered me. I really feel that it was meant to protect one of them. I just remember iLord continually acting like rewq was cleared and I never understood it. I need to reread him and get his reasoning again because rewq bothers me as hypo scum.

[VP Baltar]

I can easily contribute to the lynch, but like yesterday I will wait until we are absolutely ready to lynch because of distraction.

If our murderer has two successful kills already (and we should just assume so to be safe) that means we have two lynches to stop him or her from winning. Right now we have 8 players alive (not seven kunk).

So, if we mislynch today that's 5:1:1.

Cult kills at night, 4:1:1.

Say we lynch the murderer the following day, 4:1

Cult kills at night, 3:1

Town should no lynch at that point probably, cult kills at night, 2:1 Lylo

So that's what, three days, before absolute Lylo assuming we way off base with our suspects? I think we should try to confirm as many people as possible as not murderer/not cult as we can now.

I think most people feel I'm town, but if you'd like reasoning why I'm unlikely to be either I'm more than happy to supply it.

[VP Baltar]

I can commune ani tonight if needed. I have Occult books and 4 insanities.

furcolow DO NOT KILL kunk. He is almost certainly town. Practically confirmed. In fact, don't stalk again. You're starting to irritate me by making this game harder than it needs to be.

SOG, we should look at what night people were communed on and for how many insanities just to be safe I think. We are on Day 8 after all. Someone could have become a murderer on night 2 or possibly even 3 and still had a shot at winning. You were in the first game, how many days did that one last?

We know that farside is not cult based on her pushing of the Plum lynch, but murderer is certainly a possibility. I can see Magua as either, but almost certainly scum.

[VP Baltar]

I <3 SOG and his second wind. Thank you for that legwork. Now I definitely agree with you that none of those people can be murderer. That gives us two lynches out of the three remaining to kill the last murderer.

[VP Baltar]

iLord flipped to have 4 insanities when he was killed. He could have murdered DGB, and there is no other murderer.

No, we were close to chaos yesterday and he almost certainly laundered to prevent that. He was strongly (and rightly) advocating that anyone who could launder should.

Personally, I would rather lynch farside today, have Magua graverob, and I will check him out with Occult books tonight to see if he really has four insanities.

@ani, acting pro-town =/= pro-town, especially from a very experienced player like farside.

[VP Baltar]

I honestly don't think so, but I can't prove it one way or another besides what evidence is in thread, which seems to point to him laundering.

[VP Baltar]

I do still have occult books and may possibly use them tonight. SOG is right though...I guess my plan was flawed.

@ SOG - you mean have someone use a forensics kit on him?

[VP Baltar]

You know, I thought farside had listed everything already, but I must be missing it. Farside, please post your night actions from every night up until now.

[VP Baltar]

The last person who tried to get out of grave robbing was DGB. Trying to get out is obviously scummy.

[VP Baltar]

I agree that magua looks more likely cult than murder...hence why we need him to rob graves or die tonight. If he's the last cult, he cannot carry out another kill tonight while robbing. Making the inverse true as well, if he's not the last cult he'll rob and the kill will happen tonight. Someone investigated him to see if he's bloody from a kill last night is sufficient and we don't need to use Occult books on him.

[VP Baltar]

yes, appeal to emotion, that's effective.

Anyhow, please list your night actions when you're done pouting.

[VP Baltar]

fur, please don't listen to farside. She's most likely scum. If you kill kunk tonight, you will be killed tomorrow. Guarantee it.

[VP Baltar]

yes yes, cry me a river. I asked you politely to post them because I was apparently missing them. I honestly wanted to evaluate them for what they are worth, but if you can't cooperate with a simple request then don't get snippy. Getting angry isn't going to dissuade me.

[VP Baltar]

oh jesus christ, grow up. Let's just lynch the slot because waiting for a replacement is ridiculous at this point. SOG, thoughts?

[VP Baltar]

Vote: Farside22

Insanity Infraction

[VP Baltar]

damn it! Forgot. sigh. I really need to start being more careful.

Vote: farside22

*twitches*

I'm good with the night plans proposed by SOG.

[VP Baltar]

You can't vote Magua?

[VP Baltar]

SOG, you think furcolow should rob tonight too?

[VP Baltar]

I'm ok with him investigating. I just really don't want him to kill someone who probably isn't scum. I could see checking out animorph.

[VP Baltar]

we can just leave any protections up to wifom

[VP Baltar]

Who do you all feel is the most likely to be cult/murderer? there has to be a murderer, and it is in all likelihood magua or kunkstar... why has the focus been shifted to farside anyways?

Kunkstar CANNOT be the murderer. We discussed this at the beginning of the day. There is a very short list of people who are likely to be the murderer. SOG posted it. This is why we do not want you to kill kunkstar7. He is not likely to be scum and thus you would be hurting the town a great deal. DO NOT DO IT OR YOU WILL BE LYNCHED TOMORROW.

I feel like it is a kill worth making to get information, and my radar has been better than normal this game

There is no information to get. We know he's not the murderer because a murder happened when he robbed two graves. It's impossible he is a murderer.

[VP Baltar]

Well, I'll agree with that if DGB flips cult. But pending that, you're definitely town and confirmed town is always an asset.

[VP Baltar]

Be positive that he is not investigator before you murderer him. If you are not positive, DON'T do it. If you think you are however, please do it because we are not going to lynch him.

This is scummy, really scummy. We have stated all today why I am most likely town, yet you continue to allow him to entertain the thought of him murdering someone proven to not be murderer? Methinks rewq is still a good candidate for final cult.

Seriously, wtf? How can you want someone killed because "we are not going to lynch him"?

Maybe we're off base here. Perhaps Furcolow/rewq are the last murderer/cult?

Can someone who doesn't have distraction unvote so we can speak about this. As far as I can see, farside's vote should not count because she requested replacement before, therefore, she is not in the game anymore. Waiting to hear furcolow's response to SOG.

[VP Baltar]

I don't know why we're bothering to explain the Kunk thing anymore. If you don't get it by now, you're probably scum. It's been explained three or four times. READ.

Furcolow, answer SOG's question. Why did you suddenly change your stance from wanting to lynch farside to saying you think she might flip town?

[VP Baltar]

If I were murderer, I would have insanities. If I were cultist, I would have insanities from Night Killing on my own.

Cult do not gain insanities from performing the ritual or crafting fetishes. You can be cult and have a very low insanity count.

[VP Baltar]

Oh I see, it's down in the "Ritual Resolves" section. Well, regardless, nothing says that rewq even had to participate in the Ritual up until this point. I mean, he may have, but technically it's not required. DGB probably did last night imo.

[VP Baltar]

Oh I see, it's down in the "Ritual Resolves" section.

Well, regardless, nothing says that rewq even had to participate in the Ritual up until this point. I mean, he may have, but technically it's not required. DGB probably did last night imo.

[VP Baltar]

That's all I have to say. I have no idea how this game when from a town lock to a complete loss. Too many people took murderer (which btw, is a terrible idea). kunk, I thought you could have been more open-minded in endgame.

oh well, gg scum.

[VP Baltar]

Oh, and thanks to Percy for modding this epic game. I really liked the flavor and I know the entire thing was a lot of effort on your part. You're the man!

[VP Baltar]

I have to agree with kunkstar here. As on observer, i thought for sure there was a town win with the furcolow lynch, there is no way i could move a vote off of him :/ Sometimes i think you have to also put the blame on the voted for town player, who is responsible for not looking scummy

Not really. You have to learn to read motivation. Terrible play =/= scummy play. Furcolow would have had very little motivation to come out on the final day and claim to have stalked someone if he was scum. Town knew it was lylo and so did the scum. Therefore, a scum-furcolow would have had no fear of being communed the following night to see if he was telling the truth about his insanities. All scum-fur would have to do is get a mislynch. He would place a huge target on his back by claiming to have stalked. Think about WHY people are doing things instead of WHAT they are doing. The correct play really would have been to no lynch and let fur prove his kill. Due to the course of the game, the scum almost had to be between SOG and fur...so the town should have let the night decide it. If SOG was scum, he'd be killed by furcolow. If fur was scum, a cult kill would happen and he'd be alive the next day. Simple as that.

Additionally, for all of fur's bloodlust, he was the only one who appeared to be trying in endgame and I don't think you can call that terrible play. I would say 8 times out of 10, town are the most active players in lylo because they are trying to find the scum and not just survive. I really think SOG should have been called on his lurking in lylo. Animorph the same (though he was pretty much confirmed town along with kunk).

[VP Baltar]

Oh, and when the dead QT gets revealed, check out Magua's plan that would have won the game yesterday. Whew, glad you realized that one late XD

[VP Baltar]

If it required multiple actions from me then it wasn't possible as I had Compulsion and was bloody and needing to Launder.

Well then....

That was my curse as well. I had stalked you and was going to kill you, but got bloody when I was rezzed and had to launder that night >.<

[VP Baltar]

Let's keep it civil, even in post game.

[VP Baltar]

Nominated this game for Best Setup and Best Flavor Text. Congratulations on so much hard work coming together Percy.

I can understand what you're saying about the farside modkill now I suppose. At the time I was mildly upset because she had technically left and I felt the Investigators took a hit there at a critical moment. However, you are correct that it made her look more town than she might have otherwise and could have changed the course of the game.

Oh, also, I would like to say a big thanks to iLord. I really enjoyed playing with you and our partnership was pure awesome. I was really sad when you bit the bullet and I think if either of us could have stuck around longer we could have won this one.