Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[ReaperCharlie]

ReaperCharlie, this is an official warning for PMing a player whom your role did not allow for. As the PM that was forwarded to me contained no game-related discussion, this

is

just a warning. Any further rule breaches will result in much harsher punishment.

inHimshallibe, FC Groningen and danakillsu have all failed to pick up their role PMs, and as such are being replaced.

WTF? As long as it's not game-related, who cares? I am in games with like 70-90 people right now, does that mean I can not PM any of them?

P.S. The snitch better not be animorpher... that'd be last time I help you out with MS news, lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, just finished a skim-over. Boy am I glad I was gone over the weekend. Looks like we have not one, but about FIVE jesters. FFS

And I'm still pissed-ish at my BS 'official warning', but KoC is apparently taking this game very seriously. Just like all of the players [/sarcasm]




So.... since we're all role-claiming anyways, I'm the

Half-Wit Cyborg

, an intelligent AI-implanted human/machine with a dual personality. I have no special day powers except extreme intelligence and dry humor. My role PM says I have one night-visit ability, which allows me to visit my polyscientist creator every other night (even nights) with the purpose of stealing cookies from her pantry. If you are wondering, the answer is yes, I was allowed to act on Night Zero.

The robot in me wants to vote Reck and Crypto, but so far the human in me wants to vote Kise and Fate. More suggestions please, and reasons why I should or shouldn't vote for each of them.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ani and chrono, on a scale of 1-10, how serious do you think Reck was being that he's in an SK duo?

5 or 6. I think there's a hint of truth to it, but hes not telling the full truth.

@Nightson: Yes.

unvote, vote crypto

How does claiming scum further Reck's evil scum agenda?

Short answer: It doesn't.
Long answer: It doesn't. (Insert WIFOM here)

[ReaperCharlie]

Holy nucking futs, people. Please tell me the puzzling over Reaper's claim is not serious.

lmao!

We... arent claiming yet...
Or I missed the train?

What the fuck, ReaperCharlie.

Also, that role sounds particularly not pro-town.

RC = third party. Good to know. But his wincon doesn't contradict town's wincon, so he's not particularly dangerous.

Ok... seriously? I was busting a gut at work. Sry lol

I'll play more serious now

[ReaperCharlie]

Goat, I agree with Deer's 252 about Jackalope. Trying to cement oneself as a super-townie early on has always been a relatively reliable scumtell in my book. Very few townies do this.

It's a bit of a gambit, but it pays off big-time when it comes to bussing scumchums later (or if there are multiple scumgroups, finding and lynching them helps out somewhat with your town-appeal).

Vote: Jackalope.

Also, none of the other wagons seem particularly enticing to me at the moment. I would like to hear more from SpyreX. pl0x, with a cherry on top.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't get why Deer is scummy.

duh! Deer shot Dr. Schröder! lol

Oh and since KoC is being anal retentive, I'll fix my vote so he has no excuse not to count it.

Unvote; Vote: JackALope2323

Attempting to be more of a smart-arse than I am is the fastest way to piss me off.

[ReaperCharlie]

Chrono is town.

Plz 'splain. You seem to have other/more knowledge of this than we do.

Also, why would it be a good idea (if he is just a VT-equivalent) to softclaim as a power role (if in fact you are), just to save him (a VT)? That makes

no

sense to me.

And no, this is not rolefishing. This is a chastising remark in conjunction with a 'WTF moron'?




Also, my human side wants to believe you, but my robot half thinks you are lying.

[ReaperCharlie]

ISO ##Target.

SEARCH BEGUN. PARAMATERS "VOTE: FATE"

ERROR NO RESPONSE FOUND<
<<<ERROR NO RESPONSE FOUND>>>>>>BULLSHIT METER ACTIVATED

WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP

Sorry, here...

Unvote; Vote: Fate

There, better.

I agree with Jackalope on that the town needs to stfu with the banter and step up and start scumhunting. The only reason I argued against his post was to see who would switch votes to him to try to wagon him. There were a few, some with less reason than others, and now I have a few ISO targets. So I should come up with some more interesting stuff later.

Reaper_Charlie~I don't know what was up with the PMing another player so wont use it.
ISO 1 is just a joke post even though we were out of RVS and the stuff that comes with RVS

To clear up any confusion, the rule-breaking PM I sent was to say 'Happy Scumday' to Nightson. Somebody shoot me if that's illegal nowadays. lol

And yes, my ISO 1 is a joke, for those who might not have caught on yet. Feel free to nominate me for a Best Roleclaim Scummy anyway though if you're inclined.

I feel like I was entitled to make a joke, even if the game was out of the subjective-length RVS period (which it apparently still isn't). I was just getting into the game and it was already at Page 9-10 and I hadn't even had a chance to hop into the fun yet. My APOLOGIES (seems to be a key word here, eh?) for your confusion. Carry on.

Crypto~Very high post count, 44 posts in three days unfortunately most of them lack content, most off them seem to be off handed remarks none of which contribute to the discussion, theres not really much to actually read off of crypto as most of his posts are just fooling around distractiong from the scum hunting

Not defending Crypto here, but he is always a post-whore in games. His post count doesn't surprise me a bit. This is also not a scumtell in and of itself. I am quite the forum-whore myself, normally. I try to refrain though in Mafia games because it's gotten me mis-lynched too many times, lol

[ReaperCharlie]

I've seen you post like a crazy person in other games before, yes.

[ReaperCharlie]

[dodge]

Maybe explain your question better?

[ReaperCharlie]

And yes, my ISO 1 is a joke, for those who might not have caught on yet. Feel free to nominate me for a Best Roleclaim Scummy anyway though if you're inclined. Razz

I feel like I was entitled to make a joke, even if the game was out of the subjective-length RVS period (which it apparently still isn't). I was just getting into the game and it was already at Page 9-10 and I hadn't even had a chance to hop into the fun yet. My APOLOGIES (seems to be a key word here, eh?) for your confusion. Carry on.

I wasn't confused, I said it was a joke post and merely suggested it came a couple pages late for it to be worth while

It was worthwhile to me

As long as we're throwin out killin lists here's mine:
Luke
Lowell
MMe
Dramonic
animorph
rajrwhatshisname
Nightson
FC Groninoposts

is this people you actually find scummy and therefore they're on your killin' list, or is it other reasons like inactivity or a bit of both?

I agree. I want to know who you think is scum, not your list of who is obviously inactive.

@Reaper
In

post 226

, your P.S. mentions that you hope Ani isn't the snitch. But later on, (Can't remember which post right now >.<) you state it was Nighty. How did you find out who it was?

Went back and looked through my PMs. The only one I could remember PMing off the top of my head was ani so I assumed it must have been him. But then I found a PM to Nightson too and I thought it would be pretty retarded of ani to accept my help on MS news and then report me for it... so...

Reaper is so much fun.

This I know. For I am me

Fun fact: Did you know that he mentioned 5 players in

post 228

, named four of them and gave no reason at all? It's true
So Reaper, who is the fifth and what are the reasons?

You mean, who is my polyscientist creator? ... that would be telling

I also liked how you wanted to hear more about the four players you mentioned from other players, without giving anything on those 4 yourself.

*cough* it was a joke post *cough*
To explain my reasoning though, I was just using four of the most prominent talkers at the time, to make it appear like I was in the discussion, even though I hadn't caught up yet. Which I now have, and more content from me will come later.

@Reaper
Are you normally a wagonner? And if so, do you have examples?

Somewhat. Not blindly, at any rate. I don't care to dig up examples, but if you want to sift through games in my wiki, feel free.

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote's stayin on Jack. Interested in hearing why Spy thinks he is more and more town (just because of the whole random lynch all lurkers battle cry out of nowhere?)

Its the style of madness. He actually

believes

what he is saying.

That said, give me dramonic today and if dram isn't scum I'd acquiesce tomorrow.

I'll see your dramonic and I'll raise you Fate.

[ReaperCharlie]

Backtracking when called out on a vote that you made for no good reason. Scumminess +2.

QFT

[ReaperCharlie]

Whoops, I pulled a Shattered Viewpoint and forgot:

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

Also, as noted in my signature, I will be V/LA this weekend, and may not be able to post.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok to start off, Jackalope is getting a bad rap that he doesn't necessarily deserve, due to the voting-himself and also due to Deer's 'attack' against him for appearing too town. I have already explained that I think Jackalope's goodposting is in fact just that, and my vote on Jack was to see who else voted on him.

chrono voted on Jackalope too, parroting the reasoning that I parroted from Deer. crypto (and xReckx apparently) seems after that to think chrono is town, but the whole chronopie-claim thing is old hat and obviously doesn't apply here. Get with it, guys.

I still haven't checked chrono off my scumlist.

easjo682's

post 303

is almost pure IIoA, with a few opinions thrown in, but precious little actual scumhunting.

sucrose's points in 315 about xRx are good, and I doubt that xRx is any kind of SK role due to WIFOM/probability/insert-other-logical-fallacies-here. perhaps a werewolf or some other kind of scum (if there are any other kinds), but probably not SK.

I got up out of bed to post this because I finally hit on why Chrono's claim seemed so scummy to me.

Chrono was by his implication thinking that Crypto was either joking or a day-killing serial killer.

In neither scenario is claiming justified from a townie, I mean if he had thought crypto was a day killing vig it would have been a lot less scummy. It was either a panicked town reaction, panicked scum reaction or a calculated scum move and it just doesn't read like panicked town.

And later on, since I guess I'm building a case at this point, he said

When I flip, take a good hard look at this cat

which is one of those omgus things scum tend to say so much more often then town.

You definitely sound like you're reading too much into things. If I'm not mistaken, that was just a joke carried over from the RVS that went too far and is still being beaten like a dead horse. You sir, are prickling my scumdar; that is to say, thou dost appeareth rather scummy.

And you get absolutely no brownie points for getting out of bed just to post that. AtE fail.

He self-votes, brings up jesters, then tries to trivialize both after being called on it? Something about jack makes people think he's town? Really?

This post reeks like scum trying to take advantage of a discussion that is already happening (relevant, or not), and tweaking it just enough to get people to want to vote for someone who is not scum, hoping for a mislynch or at least a mass amount of misdirection and distraction, all without coming into the open enough to steal any of the spotlight.

Kise is teh smurtz.

Seriously though. I need to do moar analysis buuuut I just got God of War III so lol that

Seriously though. You need to do moar fluff. Serious ReaperCharlie is serious.

@Merk: I claimed my role after, what I now see to be, a Fake Day-kill post from Crypto, Who had just commented that there was some truth to Reck's SK claim.
Which was also the source what the semi-joke/semi-panic post of 'What? you're actually a Day-killing SK?'

Well, actually you claimed after we voted for you. In that same post you said you didn't know "wtf" Crypto was talking about.

Now, Amished and I were discussing tonight whether or not you as a townie would actually claim your role if you really thought crypto shot you. The first thing that is a real issue here is that crypto never actually said in thread he was going to daykill you. He weakly implied it, but never said it. So, that being the case and you thinking he's Daykill-SK (as you did), why would your immediate reaction be to claim? Wouldn't the more relevant choice be to push his lynch as a scum player?

But let's look beyond that for second. The question is if claiming would be a town reaction in that situation. Merkabah doesn't think so. We think that he would be much more likely to argue how obviously townie he is and push cryptoscum lynch. In iso 3, Chrono implies belief in Reck being a day-vig, so he really has no reason to think crypto is a town vig who offed him at that point. The point is that him claiming just doesn't make sense as a townie reaction there.

To add further confusion to the matter, the next serious thing Chrono does is OMGUS us when we push his lynch. This is opposed to lynching someone he thought was a Daykilling SK or at the very least was attempting to trick him. None of this is a townie mentality.

This is goodposting.

And I would say I agree with Merk on this one, except for the fact that it's an easy newbie error to make. Perhaps Chronopie's past games have led him to believe that claiming was the only option; or at least that it was the better one. I mean, come on. How often does a guy at L-1 have enough town points to put someone else on the chopping block instead of himself? It's not that likely.

If Chrono is scum then why does he go out of his way to claim VT as opposed to a power role, let alone after he seems to think he is dead?

Because he didn't have access to a powerrole PM. Additionally, I contest that he didn't even think he was dead. He just wanted to get attention off of him.

Claiming VT is a great way of decreasing attention on yourself. If I were scum, I would only claim a PR if I was in imminent danger of death and the only way I would be able to get people off my back was to let them know I was their last hope to win. Otherwise, I would almost invariably claim VT like Chrono did, because otherwise he'd have to prove his role or be lynched (among other reasons).

Fate is probably town.

Why, Spyrex?
inHimshallIbe, this question is also directed at you.

Only a stupid, stupid scum would actually think he could get a lynch out of an RVS wagon, though.

I'm vaguely insulted.

@Merk:
Chrono is a very visceral call. Its just the way everything adds together leaning far on the side of "Town making a set of odd moves" versus "Scum pretending to make a set of odd moves".

That's a very interesting way to look at it. I didn't think of it like that before. If Chronopie is scum and is doing that, bravo to him for making you think that. But you and Merk are both giving Chronopie a little too much credit. He doesn't appear to exhibit that kind of sophisticated outguessing (insert WIFOM here).

Players that are on my lynch-list:
Deer

Deer? Why? I have a town read on him.

Lesser:
And possibly Reaper

Me? Why me? Any reason in particular, or just a vague gut feeling because of my semi(?)-serious fake(?)-claim.

The robot in me thinks you're trying to help out and foster discussion, but the human in me distrusts you and thinks you're just trying to make a list like everyone else is so that we will think you're more town. In English: IGMEOY

@ Kise's anger and subsequent sheepishness about Goat's misrep: LOL

Someone remind me why anyone cares about Goat.

Lowell, stop being fucking lazy.

Ummm...


But yeah, you too, Lowell.

so if I get this right, you thought reck was joking when the SK comment appeared, then some people started taking it seriously, reck told them it was a joke so now you think reck is lying?
correct me if I'm wrong.

Let me clarify, I'm a fairly inexperienced player, Reck isn't. I initially thought it was just a joke, but so many people jumped on it that I think it's obvious Reck knew how people were going to react and wanted people to react.
The whole thing was obviously a gambit.

OR; it's just the way Reck plays. Which I don't like too much either. This doesn't necessarily mean he's scum.

But don't rule out the gambit I've seen him make some decent ones (not good, but decent).

Also, crypto, just so you know: That Chrono trick doesn't work any more. It was done in another game, and attempted in an ongoing game I'm in with Chrono, but even here I wouldn't think it still works... Chrono knows not to freak out as scum if he thinks he's dead. Better yet, Fate of all players should know this best.

If Chrono knows not to freak out as scum, why did he freak out as town? I can't quite wrap my head around why Chrono claimed if he thought he was about to die and flip.

This. No weight can be placed on chrono's claim, because that trick has been tried on him before and he (as either scum or town) would have been coached (or more likely figured out himself) how to respond to that sort of thing in the future. Just like Jackalope's self-vote and super-townie behavior, and Goat's supposed 'misrep' of Kise, people are putting way too much weight on this. These things have been beaten to death by now. Start searching elsewhere, beginning with things like this:

@ Raj: My vote was only in RVS. I.E. Where votes don't mean anything.

xRx's asshattery extended well past the RVS.

That is an alley worth pursuing imo. Nobody has said much about Reck other than that he is trying his darnedest to fluff his way through Day 1.

@inHim: I don't ignore much of anything. If there's "suspicion" towards me, I want to know why so that I can argue against it. If there's a bad reason, then it falls back on you (thereby limiting scum that attack me); but if there's a good reason, then town can show their own logic (which scum have a hard time fabricating). Therefore: what did you see that was "scummy" about me/us?

More goodposting. I was put off a little by Merk in the beginning but I am beginning to come around to them.

[Chrono's] spamming prevents us from scumhunting. All it does is confuse the town. His ambiguous statements about whether he and xRx are SK buddies or whatever the hell he was talking about for the first ten pages confuses the town. When the town is confused, we cannot scumhunt effectively.

Understandable?

Though I agree with you on this, I would also like to point out that expecting nobody to 'spam' is pretty much a lost cause in a large game. Especially when you have players like Crypto and Reck. Chrono should be the least of your worries imo. Don't cross him off your list yet obviously, but don't tie up discussion with multiple posts about him. Thanks.

inHimshallIbe's

post 449

is goodposting as well.

I agree with you about Nightson and Dry-fit, but I would like to ask you to clarify why you think Merk is scum? Did you feel like he is trying to misrep others?

The only way Fate is scum is if at least one of team "Fate is scum, no vote" is.

So are you saying that none of them are?

...I'm tentatively happy with inHim.

You're happy an inHimlynch? Or you're happy with what he's saying, and you think he's town?

The scum hunting is always scum hunting, even if I do aim to miss sometimes.

What scumhunting? You're last three posts have been explaining your claim and meta. There wasn't a whole lot of scumhunting before that either. You're really skating by.

I don't have a good feeling about this latest string of Jack voters.

QFT on both points. My thoughts exactly about the Jack voters.

I don't like that shattered needs so much justification to join the jack-wagon, unless he knows something is up.

Dont' see the case on deer.

Your continued lack of posting actual content is noted.


...and WTF is this SpyreX/Crypto/Fate alliance?? But I agree with merk about wanting to follow it even if I'm not 'in' it, cause it'll likely help me win

OHHHH I see. This happens a lot. You just misspelled dramonic.

Just try it again. It'll work better I promise.

I don't get it.

LMAO at this exchange. *facepalm*

Reading the final few pages of the post up until now has made me more suspicious of crypto. Thanks in part to Sucrose's

[urlhttp://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2268813#2268813]post 508[/url]

and a few other things.

Reading

post 517

makes me believe even moreso that Jack is town.


Yes, I realize that I've left dramonic and TheGoat out of this post. I will come back and talk about them later. Someone remind me.

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As for me, here are my reads:

I'm leaning town on Deer, Jackalope, Dry-fit, Merk, and SpyreX.

xRx is just a fluffer at this point. Moar reel stuf plz

I have scum reads on Nightson, Fate and Lowell. Shattered Viewpoint seems more town after post 523 but he's still on my list.

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All of that said though, I'm still gonna lay down the OMGUS vote on Nightson though, for being a jerk reporting my happy scumday PM to the mod. IN ADDITION to reasons everyone else has provided.

Vote: Nightson

But I would be fine with a lynch on Fate, xRx, Lowell, or lukepukeduke too. I haven't written off Shattered Viewpoint either.

Also, @inHim: here is your chance. Now that you've got my vote, go ahead and post more of a case on Nightson, and I'll see if it's legit.

@ SpyreX: Who do you think is likely to be scum, but who is unlikely to be lynched today?

[ReaperCharlie]

k, V/LA till Monday <3

[ReaperCharlie]

*waits for someone to make a premature ejaculation joke*

[ReaperCharlie]

Or; read the topic and find out for yourself.

[ReaperCharlie]

Or; read the topic and find out for yourself.

I have I don't get why people think he is scum

Hmmm... methinks you are either dense, or else *gasp* there really

isn't

reason for the votes. I am inclined to think it is a mixture of the two, but I would like to reiterate the question: If anyone has any

concrete

reasons why I should vote for Shattered Viewpoint, please post it now.

Until then... I am still trying to decide whether or not to vote Fate again, but I must say that I don't agree with animorpherv1 and Chronopie about JackaLope. animorpher seems to be bouncing around, just following everyone else.

SpyreX has also gone more or less silent in terms of useful content; his recent posts have been deteriorating into a detrimental fluffball. Which is cute in some ways, but not altogether endearing in a pro-town way. Somebody give me a case on why SpyreX should be lynched. If it's even half-convincing, we'll team up and get it done.*

*This offer does not include Fate.

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote Count Unicorn, please.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok -- I've officially decided that I don't like SpyreX and more.

Unvote; Vote: SpyreX

[ReaperCharlie]

*facepalm* at 709.

its SV, not Spyrex.

Looks like

someone's

not paying attention to the thread.

[ReaperCharlie]

My inability to bite deeper doesn't change these simple truths: neither SV's vanilla claim NOR Jack's active antagonism make for good scum maneuvers in this game.

I'd guarantee that the majority of scum are in the quieter half of this game.

Finally, SpyreX makes some sense. He's not off my scumlist by any stretch, but I admit, dramonic IS a better lynch for today. Though I fully expect to see better posting from you once you return to your machines, SpyreX. What you've skated by with so far is not cutting it.

So... after a quick iso on dramonic

(it's not long; 75% is fluff, you should try it!)

, you'll see that he's done no real scumhunting either. No quote/text walls, no real logic to be spoken of... not even anything entertaining or funny. Just excuses about school, intentional flying under the radar, and repeated prod dodges. I would be just fine with a dramlynch.

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

And honestly, the wagons on both JackaLope2323 and Shattered Viewpoint are horrible.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, first, @ Nightson: If you can tell me why Chronopie is better than Dramonic, I'll switch my vote; otherwise, forget about it. You are one of my suspects as well so it's gonna take more than just you telling me that to get me to change my mind. But you do have a good point about SpyreX:

Randomly switching votes (like SpyreX is doing) makes me SUPER suspicious. Even though there are a number of good lynch targets, it's still suspicious behavior because it shows non-committal tendencies and no conviction toward lynching any one particular party, so long as SOMEONE gets lynched. Not to mention he's been pinging my scumdar all game (admittedly since Chronopie said 'Vote: SpyreX because he always flies under the radar, but for other reasons as well).

And looking at those two games that xRECKONERx posted where his meta is clearly different as town and scum only reinforces what I'd been thinking about him. Seriously, if you compare his ISO in

this

current game we're playing, to the game where he's scum, you'll see that it's a lot more similar to that one than it is to the game where he's town.

Clearly he was much more thorough in his analysis of different aspects in the game when he had things to figure out, and didn't already know what was going on... try it for yourself: Just open those threads, ISO SpyreX, and scroll down. The amount of content-filled quote walls in his town game was pretty impressive. I found myself wanting to believe what he said just because of the logic involved. But the other game is full of a lot of the same kind of content that he's been posting this game (i.e. strange, short, and often unclear, confusing, and/or irrelevant).

Looking at those games, thought obviously not incontrovertible proof that SpyreX is scum, is still a pretty good case. Thanks to Reck for pointing them out: it's one of the only useful things he's done all game. He's still not off my anti-town list by any means though. That being said, I still think SpyreX is right about dramonic likely being scum. This would make sense if there were multiple scum groups, and even though there has been absolutely no concrete evidence that points to that so far, it's not a stretch to speculate that in a game this large that there could be more than one group of scum.

Either way though, like I said Nightson, it's gonna take more than just you telling me to change my vote to get me to change it. And the fact that you, SpyreX, and inHimshallIbe are all pushing different wagons doesn't help at all. I agree with crypto: I am voting for who I think is the best lynch for today, because I think they're scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Blast! Ninja'd by a whole @#$&-load of posts!

FTR, I still think reading those two threads that xRECKx posted was worth it, if you're trying to get a decent read on SpyreX's play in this game.

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@ SpyreX 724: I agree. Why am I agreeing with you now?
@ crypto 725: I have too but this doesn't strike me as that.
@ ani 726: who claimed miller? wtf are you talking about?
@ crypto 727: agreed.
@ chronopie 730: why not? If you want them lynched, what's the harm in hammering them?

FoS: You

@ don_johnson 731: um... wtf?
@ Lowell 733: um... posting things like that...

isn't

helping you.

[ReaperCharlie]

In all seriousness, though, I like Spyre's killing list, although it's basically entirely comprised of lurkers.

I gotta think there's at least one non-lurking scum in this game, and he's either Spyre or part of SpyreX's alliance.

Oh, also:

This

. ^^^

[ReaperCharlie]

Then why not just count votes since the last vote count?
It's not that hard.. Put some effort into the game, F&CK.

[ReaperCharlie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyGlZ3LbkgU

OMFG... I wanna laugh but... is it wrong? LOL

[ReaperCharlie]

WIFOM...alliance, alliance, alliance...more WIFOM.

Haha!... yeah that's pretty much all that post was, huh? =x
I lol'd.


I'm not against the alliance either, FTR. Love the idea. I just don't trust Spyrex.
Though he *has* been acting more townie since I voted for him... Hmmmm...

*wifom-nuke goes off inside head*

[ReaperCharlie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!! LMAO at ani admitting to stealing Fate's leg but leaving him alive, then the mod going "oops yeah btw Fate's dead." LOOOOOL wtf
And why

should

we take you seriously, ani? You are killing and dismembering

Innocents

and stuff. That's bad last time I checked.

Vote: animorpherv1

P.S. Just because Reck got that dream doesn't mean he's innocent. I like how he thought it was gonna get him into the alliance though, lol.

FTR I totally thought Fate was scum. I am gonna have to go re-read everything he said now and re-think a lot of stuff. Ugh

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll be that

guy

idiot who goes against my own moral code and observes aloud that "lunatic" sounds a lot like jester.

Ummm... my Spidey Sense is telling me that a Lunatic (according to flavor) would probably be someone who was an inmate at the asylum. That's a lot more likely than Jester at any rate.

[ReaperCharlie]

And why

should

we take you seriously, ani? You are killing and dismembering

Innocents

and stuff. That's bad last time I checked.

It only says I can't take undead's body parts Creatues are necesarily Undea, so I may be able to help.

Um.... Nothankyou. Diescumdie. Kthx

Also, the way the lynch post was worded (

the

Creature

) leads me to believe that the Creature may have been a one-man faction. But the way Reck paraphrased his dream about you being

A

Lunatic makes me think you are part of a full-fledged multiple-player faction.

On a side note, I am actually inclined to believe that lunatics may not actually be able to communicate with each other (by virtue of what they are), but whether that is the case or not is of no consequence when deducing what your fate should be, ani. You are obviously not aligned with the town, and I'd rather lynch you now than lynch a possible innocent.

FTR I totally thought Fate was scum. I am gonna have to go re-read everything he said now and re-think a lot of stuff. Ugh

So, you would've killed Fate, but you are voting me for killing him? Fun.

Uh... maybe you didn't read the death scene. He was

on my side

... so... to answer your question, yes. Mhm.

Mind telling me why you chose Fate to steal a leg from? And why are you stealing body parts in the first place? Are you trying to create another abominable being like

the Creature

?

Also... Reck didn't kill you. Your post 820 did. lmao


@ Reck. You had... a

dream

? Please explain a bit more about it.

[ReaperCharlie]

Reckoner bears guarding this evening...

Why?



At first glance... I don't want ani's offer, but that's just me. If the Alliance sees fit to contract out some of their killings to him, then I will think it over. I don't see any real harm in it except that he might turn it on us later if he has allies. He seems to be pretty desperate to live, something might work out.

If it's up to me though, I'd lynch him...

KIRR ARR RUNATICS!

[ReaperCharlie]

It only says I can't take undead's body parts Creatues are necesarily Undea, so I may be able to help.

Do you even know if your kill works on scum? Does your flavor indicate that you make a kill and then can take the body part if they're non-undead, or does it not say?

Why are you fishing? Everything you are asking is immaterial, because animorpher dies today.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok easjo, I don't trust people in this alliance any more than you do. I was suspicious of Fate yesterday, and I am still suspicious of SpyreX and Merkabah. But as Merk said, the alliance IS a good tool. I'm certain that even if there are scum in the alliance (which there probably are), that they will either be forced to commit anti-scum actions for the sake of appearing town, or they will be exposed at some point. From what I can tell, the only downside to the whole idea is that we get less discussion time before lynching scum, which is not good.

---

Point of order:

Player List (posts since Night 1):

5. animorpherv1 (820, 824, 826, 830, 831, 837, 838, 843, 844)
23. Merkabah (808, 825, 859, 863, 866, 869, 871)
24. xRECKONERx (809, 811, 813, 815, 842, 850, 872)
10. SpyreX (810, 812, 814, 816, 818, 853)

18. Reaper_Charlie (833, 834, 841, 852, 855)
9. Deer (819, 823, 860, 867, 870)
17. easjo682 (803, 858, 861, 865, 868)
6. Shattered Viewpoint (802, 805, 807, 817)

2. Kise (828, 829, 835, 840)
25. Crypto (832, 836, 839, 851)

14. Lowell (804, 806, 827)
11. Sucrose (854, 856, 857)
13. rajrhcpfreak (821, 849)
4. don_johnson (801, 845)

12. inHimshallibe (800)
16. ZazieR (864)
22. The Goat (847)

19. JackALope2323
7. lukepukeduke
20. Dry-fit
21. My Milked Eek

The colors don't mean anything specifically, but as you can see... some people have discussed a lot, and others have discussed little or not at all. Think of this what you will, but

ZazieR's 864

among other player's Day 2 posts (or lack thereof) scream to me of scum trying to fly under the radar and hoping that the alliance quicklynching dudez will make their skating job just that much easier. This in turn leads me to believe that there's a whole lot more to be gained by

waiting and discussing

rather than quicklynching animorpher (even though he does deserve it, and it IS gonna happen).

Unvote

for the moment; until these players weigh in on the situation. Letting

anyone

skate through a whole day phase without contributing is as anti-town as it gets.

Discussion Monkey wants more discussion. And a banana. Ready? Go

tl;dr: Read the big pretty letters.

[ReaperCharlie]

What did I do this time, KoC?

[ReaperCharlie]

I want to know what SpyreX thinks of Merk flipping vamp.

[ReaperCharlie]

What did I do this time, KoC?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#2277700

Ring a bell?

Haha, you dick! lmao


Ok fine I..

apologize

for doing that.
I'll retract my nomination if wanted.

m(._.)m

[ReaperCharlie]

Apology or not, you have been on this site long enough to know the rules.

And you would think after your first infraction, that you would have been more careful.

And KoC has been pretty lenient with you, given your infractions.

Yeah, they were pretty bad infractions, I must admit...

"Happy Scumday" and a nomination for a Scummy.

[/contempt of court]

[ReaperCharlie]

I think it's interesting and suspicious that we're having multiple dreams in a night. It kinda reminds me of Wheel of Time Mafia where there were multiple signs posted telling how many scum were in a room, and one of the set of signs turned out to be planted by scum. I'm not sure I'd trust any of the dreams.

That said, Don, what did your dream say about Raj? There's no need to be coy here.

Um, Reck's dream was spot on. I'd say that at least half of the dreams are right.

More later, I'm at work.

[ReaperCharlie]

I was getting that uneasy feeling from Merk too, but I get the same one about Reck. If Reck doesn't end up being some kind of scum, you can paint me red and call me a barn.

Vote: rajrtuertkyj346843

based on d_j's dream for now.

But d_j, we're operating on pretty sparse info at the moment, namely just "i had a dream too"; this tells us nothing about raj's alignment. Also, there was only

one

dream the first day, why should we believe there are now

two

? I pretty much just believe SpyreX's due mostly to the begrudging way that he admitted that SV was town, but we don't really have much to go on with yours.

Timely elucidation of your fantastical nightly imaginings would be peachy.

[ReaperCharlie]

Anyone else see what I saw?

[ReaperCharlie]

Deer slobbering all over a result on me that makes no sense but ignoring the one that says he's innocent? Check.

So, things that need to happen in the near future:
-snip-
4.) Deer, easjo and Lowell eating bullets. Lowell's 985 reaaly hurts the brainstem.

*cough* If Deer's town, why you hatin' on him?

Unvote; Vote: Spyrex

Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

The Alliance is dead, long live the New Alliance!

crypto
Deer
Shattered Viewpoint
inHimshallIbe
Dry-fit
don_johnson

Yes, this is a hostile takeover.

[ReaperCharlie]

WTF site won't let me post.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok there we go, it finally posted. I don't know whats up with MS but its like this all the time now. It needs fixed!

Mod, you can delete the duplicate post if you want.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Alliance is dead, long live the New Alliance!

crypto

Deer
Shattered Viewpoint
inHimshallIbe
Dry-fit
don_johnson

*cough!* I must have totally missed that Kise/crypto thing; now that I look, I see that it was concurrent with when I was being omgus'd by the mods.

correction: crypto is NOT in the alliance.

@ SpyreX: We'll find out soon enough whether the 'dream' about you is true, and I'm perfectly fine with lynching you at this point. Deer can wait until tomorrow. If you flip werewolf scum we can re-evaluate our position on Deer, but you die first, get it?

[ReaperCharlie]

Yo, reapercharlie, any reason why you believe dry-fit's dream, but not kise's dna story?

Reapercharlie is a bit too keen on having the current alliance disbanded and having one of his own. I'd need to go back and check whether rc was very anti-alliance or if that were other people as that is not sitting all too well with me.

lol simulposting

[ReaperCharlie]

Each day, more dreams get added to the mix, and only 50% of them are true.

Funny, you say this like you know it's true.
Now, I wonder, where did you get that idea from?


@ SpyreX: I don't buy it.


@ My Milked Eek: What proof is there that any of the dreams have been

wrong

thus far? There were 2 the first night and 2 the second:

Night 1:

-Dry-fit > Spyrex > bitten by werewolf
-Reck > animorpherv1 > Lunatic

(Proven true)

Night 2:

-Spyrex > Shattered > townie
-don_johnson > Deer > townie

What's to say they can't

all

be true? The only person I have seen begin to disagree with them is SpyreX and that's because the dreams show him to be scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, I still don't see why SpyreX is pushing for a

Deer

lynch. It seems like mere omgus if nothing else. And if anything, were I in SpyreX's spot, I would be going after crypto, who is the next most likely lynch.

What SpyreX is doing does NOT MAKE SENSE, regardless of whether his claim is half-believable or not. Which is another reason why I'm voting SpyreX and not someone else.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, well put. So I put this question to you: Which of the following would be smarter?

1. Testing/challenging one of the Day 2 dreams/whatevers, and still being no closer to finding out whether the dreams are credible?; or
2. Testing the second Day 1 dream, lynching SpyreX and finding out if we have 100% accuracy in dreams? (not counting Kise's DNA sample, which is not a dream).

To me, the benefits of the latter outweigh the benefits of the former.

And for a bonus, I'm much more leery of leaving SpyreXscum alive than [insertnamehere]scum, so.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ 1028/1032: 1033.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm....

-Spyrex buddying with one of the few not voting him (MME) and saying he's the most town.

-Crypto claims he's gonna hop on SpyreX wagon, then ignoring SpyreX and voting for me instead (as a joke?)

-Spyrex was all for jumping a dream-wagon yesterday and quicklynching into tonight, but today he's not so keen on the idea... oops.

The Kise/crypto situation can and should be be dealt with tomorrow, after SpyreX. If he flips town, I'll eat my hat. I'll eat ALL your bloody hats.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm pretty sure that Sprexy should DIE.

Soonest.

um?....

Then, like, vote and stuff. (SV)

This.

[ReaperCharlie]

Why is SV in your new alliance? Does, in fact, my dream have anything to do with that?

It has everything to do with that. I think your dream was as legit as any other we've heard so far.


But look: You were playing in a pro-town way Day 1, and lots of good discussion was had. But once you found out that night that you were being recruited as a werewolf, your play switched as well, and you wanted the day to go as fast as possible. Getting rid of ani was just as good for your werewolf group as it was for the town, so there's no ulterior motive for your enthusiasm for the quicklynch. Likewise with Merk; he wanted to kill him as well. It would have helped ANY of us (wolf, vamp, AND town) with our win condition to lynch ani, so it made sense. Also we were all still in the first alliance, so it made twice as much sense.

But it's still anti-town to let a day pass without people weighing in on the situation(s) at hand.

Either way, it's quite fortuitous really, you rushing the animorpher lynch (and by association, Day 2 itself), before Dry-fit had a chance to come out with his dream. This is why it was good:

1. You would not have rushed the day otherwise, and ani might not have been lynched due to second-guessing.

2. Not having been able to post before Day 2 ended lends all the

more

credibility to Dry-fit's claim, because there's no way he'd pull something out of his arse on Day 3 and be like "Oh yeah, forgot to say this earlier". There's no way. Dry-fit's result is legit.

3. Your claim is great, and I believe that it was true up until the point where you got recruited. But you likely just doctored your choice of night actions in your claim, which would have been easy enough. Why? to make it seem like you'd 'saved' yourself night 1, which would nullify Dry-fit's results. Good move, but I still don't buy it.

And anyway,

lynching you is pro-town

because

it is the only action that will give us complete clarity

(and

sooner

rather than later)

whether both day 1 dreams were legit or not

. And if so, we have a standard to measure all subsequent dreams. I still believe that they are all correct.

And knowing that ~2 dreams are had each night, would it not benefit the town to know if we can depend on them at all? Otherwise, that is just a useless mechanic that we are wasting. We need to know whether we can trust these dreams or not.


Alliance time. Git r done, son.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, I got post-ninja'd by Kise's 1049. And yes, Kise, you are correct: it'd be easy for scum to switch dreams they had about their own teammates to read 'town' when they report it. This could likely be what happened with SpyreX and SV, I'll have to think more about that.

I don't think MME is a wolfman though. I get those vibes a bit, but he's making enough sense to make himself appear town enough. Spyre may just be trying to buddy with him because it's the best chance of saving himself from lynching. Luckily, it doesn't seem to be working.

I will also point out that MME's reasons for trying to stop the Spyrescum wagon are similar to mine for Unvoting animorpher yesterday, but they are not quite the same. I was perfectly willing to lynch animorpher, and obviously we knew it was gonna happen, what with that mod f^^^up where he didn't report Fate's death, and Chrono admitted to it. But whilst I was only trying to

stall for more discussion time

, it appears that My Milked Eek is trying to actually stop the Spyrex wagon

in favor of another wagon

.

In response: Sorry, it ain't happenin' buddy. Get on the train or get left behind.

[ReaperCharlie]

Point 3 of post 1053. Lrn2readplz

[ReaperCharlie]

A sudden howl starts to fill the ears of everyone in the surrounding area. Heads are turning trying to find out where the horrid noise is erupting from. Before your very eyes, you see fur and teeth sprout upon SpyreX, before green froth and pus explode, tearing his half-changed form apart.

SpyreX has been poisoned and killed. He was a

Werewolf

.

bahahahaha told you guys. thanks, vampires.

now lets see, why did the vamps wait until that point to kill spyrex? probably because they figured his wagon would die out, and they DIDN'T want spyrex to live. which I definitely would have done too, were i in their place.

but lets analyze the day-killings now. I would venture that it is a godfather ability, and i would also venture that while the one against spyrex was in offense to guarantee that he wouldn't live another night (now that we knew he's a werewolf), and for the same reasons i said this earlier: i would definitely rather spyrescum die than another scum.

and since the vamp's killed spyre, that could very well mean that crypto is vampscum.

unvote, vote: crypto

the one against merk was probably in defense. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised at all if it was spyrex's idea, but that makes no difference now. i've gotta go back and read a bit more to see who merk suspected.

---

@ MME:

Are you kidding me? There are probably like 3 scum in that list. No. I was going to add Sucrose anyway -- but you, Reck, and Kise are not invited to the alliance.

Deer
Shattered Viewpoint
inHimshallIbe
Dry-fit
don_johnson
Sucrose

[ReaperCharlie]

btw, in their weakened state, the vampires are going to be gunning hard for the werewolves. the vamps are down two, and the werewolves are down one. don't know if they can recruit every night, but chances are they will be picking their recruits out of the alliance pool of players because they are widely considered to be the most pro-town. they probably die if they try to recruit someone from an opposing scumfaction. note: they went for spyrex on night 1. that should be evidence enough that they are trying to flip the game on its ear. and if they can recruit town's power-roles (i have no reason to believe that spyrex's claim wasn't originally true), then these will likely become scum power-roles.

my personal suspicions are that each faction started with two, and is allowed to attempt to recruit one per night. cross-recruiting probably results in either a kill or suicide, but i don't know how that's set up, obviously. maybe it just results in a failed recruitment attempt. my other suspicions are that the 'dreamers' are given dreams by another certain role which was originally pro-town but when recruited into a faction, they give others dreams about other players either purposefully incorrectly, or if they don't know someone's alignment because of the multiple factions, they will then give dreams to someone in their own faction or who they think is town, that whoever they suspect is scum, IS scum. i think that's a fair analysis of what's going on here.

the fact that spyrex was gunning so hard for deer makes me think that he either had inside info about deer being a vamp, or he was one of spyrex's top suspects for being a vamp, because there's really no reason to try to drag down a townie that hard. so deer is out of the alliance.

and... obviously, since spyrex was scum, it's likely he was lying about his dream about shattered viewpoint... which means SV is also out of the alliance, the list of which i posted above, but which now consists of only:

myself
Dry-fit
inHim
don_johnson
Sucrose

Shattered Viewpoint

Deer

And as a side note, I fully expect that at least one of these is scum of some kind. I also fully expect that one of them will be recruited tonight, if not two.


preview edit: I see a few people have beaten me to the punch on some of this. i'm leaving my post as it is, though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. Dueling cults.

And...

who cares

if cults are considered bastard modding? Maybe if the cults were pretty small to begin with (i.e. 2 each), and you factor in cross-kills, it might be more 'fair' that way. Either way, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that it's bastard-modded so that the town has very little chance of winning unless they kill off the wolves and vamps relatively early on. Call setup speculation anti-town if you want, but it wins games, and that's why I do it.

Maybe read my post again, I think I adequately answered some of those questions. As for why I think the vamps can recruit too, idk... maybe I just watched Underworld one too many times. I'm sure you've seen Underworld, right? Even if you haven't though, I'm sure you've seen Twilight and the sequel. Yes, we forgive you. But go watch Underworld (and the sequel).

Why WOULDN'T the werewolves be able to recruit more than once? What makes YOU think that they'd only be able to recruit once? If crypto wasn't on the chopping block for today, I'd sink my teeth into you for that one.

What makes me assume the vamps killed Spyrex? Uh... because he died in the daytime, and maybe because of the dream, and the vamps had already lost two scumpals already. It'd only make sense that they'd gun for the other scum-group as doing so is pretty much their best/only chance for survival.

On the other hand, maybe there's just a neutral day-sk or town day-vig 'poisoner' or something, and he gets to kill one person a day. Which is also a valid assumption.

[ReaperCharlie]

If you're averse to cults, why did you join a game that was likely to have cults in it? You did say that you're familiar with vampires..

And you say 'if we were in a cult game' like we're not. Spyrex was recruited by the werewolves, I think it's a

pretty fair bet

(sarcasm) that we're in a cult game. And why would the werewolves be able to recruit but the vampires not? Again, I thought you said you were familiar with vamps. You are making my head hurt.

If what you say is true, then why did we get 1 recruit dream on night 1 and not 2? And why no recruit dreams during night 2? Why not assume the recruit that happened here is a regular one-recruit system?

Um... I think the answer is pretty self-explanatory, but here's why:
-N1, one of the dreamers happened to dream about someone who happened to be recruited.
-N2, they happened to dream about people who were not being recruited.

You seem to think that the lack of a second recruiting dream means that each evil faction can only recruit once, and I don't understand why this makes sense to you.

@ my tongue-in-cheek teeth-sinking comment: Hehe, I thought it was appropriate, given the game we're in. You don't honestly think there's anything serious in that, do you? Haha

---

AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'RANDOMLY ASSUMING' THERE ARE CULTS?? SPYREX WAS RECRUITED BY THE WEREWOLVES, I THINK ITS PRETTY DAMNED OBVIOUS.

[ReaperCharlie]

Why

couldn't

he have been recruited? Do you believe Dry-fit's dream or don't you? I do. Which is the main basis for most of my arguments and speculation, along with prior knowledge (which is pretty much common knowledge) that vampires and werewolves bite people, and they turn into other vampires or werewolves. Vampires and werewolves TOGETHER are a common subject matter, and when you see one, you're likely to see the other. And to me it's just common sense to think that if one of them has recruitment abilities, that the other does as well.

[ReaperCharlie]

V/LA as noted in my sig.

[ReaperCharlie]

Me.

[ReaperCharlie]

Um... OR... you're all

morons

, apparently, and didn't see that easjo had been voting crypto beforehand, and had switched to SpyreX and then just switched back. crypto is still at L-1 silly newbies.

[ReaperCharlie]

Which is especially funny because of SV's post when he accuses easjo of skimming, when she clearly stated:

Vote: crypto

which for clarity is back to how I was voting before this post

So.... unless SV dies tonight, he's tomorrow's lynch.


...I like this development.

[ReaperCharlie]

If/when you flip scum, we'll find out all we need to know about whether your opinion on my play is worth anything or not.

Good day to you sir

[ReaperCharlie]

Why? Any reason other than "because it is?"

And you're at L-1, are you gonna claim anything or are you going to keep spouting? My gut tells me that this isn't town-rage at being mis-lynched, but I have nothing else to go on other than Kise's info on you, which doesn't seem to be made up.

[ReaperCharlie]

@RC:
Yeah, I caught that joke

Maybe we should have let them believe it WAS the hammer. haha

It didn't say there were cults in it. Mods usually note the possibility and if they don't, they should.

You're right, they should. But you joined even with a prior knowledge of what werewolves did, so... you have no excuse. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

So crypto: I'm an idiot for going on what I know? Or I'm an idiot because YOU don't want to be lynched?

P.S. When at L-1, it is customary to claim. Even if it doesn't save you, it'll still be a good laugh for us later when it's false ^_^

[ReaperCharlie]

If that was a bus, it was a terrible one.

[ReaperCharlie]

wtf? crypto was innocent? ugh. at least he wasn't power, lol.

So Kise. How's it going.

HAHA


hmmmm.... yeah Kise... sup buddy?

[ReaperCharlie]

Now that you mention it, with what's gone down... I'd put money on the dreams/scenes being randomly generated and not enabled by one of you players.

I disagree. I think players are specifically being guided by other players, which is why I think paying attention to the dreams is a good idea. Your so-called 'results' on crypto were not a dream, every other ACTUAL dream we've had has been 100% accurate.

These are basically cop results. Are you saying that you would not vote to lynch someone with a guilty result? Do you think they are random correct results, or random RANDOM results?

vote: Dry-fit

i have a huge hunch on this. inhim, you should join me if you are town.

You just voted on someone who is confirmed town by dream results, who gave up SpyreXscum to us in a dream. Any particular reason why you feel this is a necessary vote, other than your 'hunch'?

Nobody hunts down my alliance members.

Vote: raj

[ReaperCharlie]

In the words of crypto himself, it's possible that there will be some results that are merely here to muddy the truth. It may still be too early to determine whether these are random correct results (which appears to be the case at the moment in regards to dreams) or random random results.

But aside from your non-dream, which doesn't count, we've had two confirmed truths. I speculated a lot yesterday about whether the dreamers could be turned, or could give wrong results on purpose. I'm still not convinced of anything but I think the results speak for themselves in terms of dream accuracy so far.

I al

s

o ha

v

e something I'm waiting on before I start pushing a raj lynch, but MME is getting under my skin too. But since I agree with a lot of what he said yesterday and I think it's just a personality clash, I can't really see myself voting for him.

Strikingly, for now I believe that you're not scum, Kise. Find me a werewolf or vampire though and I'll be happier. Your results yesterday were not exactly correct.

@ Deer: The results on you are not confirmed yet. Shut up.

Not to mention, I wanna know why SpyreX was trying so hard to take you down with him yesterday. Maybe it was because he believed you were a vamp? Maybe because he thought (or knew, somehow) that you were a town PR?

I more strongly suspect that he knew or believed that you were a (the final?) vampire, which would definitely explain his push. The 'ooh I think he's scum, he itches me, oh noooo' could have definitely been a ruse.

Still wanna hear more from:
inHim
d_j
lowell
zazie
jack (or replacement)
goat
reck

Thanks. Day is here fellas. Get it started.

[ReaperCharlie]

Actions So Far

Dreams, nightkills, daykills, flips, etc.

Day 1

dramonic (

creature

) lynched

Night 1

NK: Chronopie (

?

) slaughtered in tunnels
NK: Nightson (

?

) slaughtered in tunnels
NKFL: animorpherv1 (

lunatic

) dismembers Fate (

innocent

)

DR: Dry-fit (?) dreams of SpyreX being recruited by werewolves (

confirmed

)
DR: xReckonerx (?) dreams that animorpherv1 is a Lunatic (

confirmed

)

Day 2

LYFL: animorpher (

lunatic

) lynched

Night 2

Note: no night kills take place

FL: Chronopie flips

innocent

FL: Nightson flips

vampire

DR: SpyreX (

werewolf

) dreams that Shattered Viewpoint is innocent (

unconfirmed

)
DR: don_johnson (?) dreams that Deer is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

OTH: Kise (

?

) gets results of crypto's DNA on Chronopie's (dead) body

Day 3

DKFL: Merkabah (

vampire

) poisoned and killed
DKFL: SpyreX (

werewolf

) poisoned and killed
LYFL: crypto (

innocent

) lynched due to kise's results

Night 3

NK?: easjo682 (

?

) slaughtered in tunnels

DR: Sucrose dreams that Dry-fit is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

If that's incomplete, someone let me know.
Dam#, wish we had more results about

guilty

people.

[ReaperCharlie]

DR: Dry-fit (?) dreams of SpyreX being recruited by werewolves (confirmed)

This isn't entirely true.

We have no evidence SpyreX wasn't already a werewolf.

I don't think he was. I think he was an outstanding choice for recruitment on Night 1, and in fact I think anyone who wouldn't have recruited him is stupid. Not to mention, I wholly believe that Spyrex was telling the truth about his role flavor in his claim. I just think he was lying about the effects it had, OR about his night choices, in order to spin it so that he couldn't have been recruited. But the fact that he was trying to counter

that he'd been recruited

is key.

Plus, I believe Dry-Fit even more because he's also been marked as town by a dream. Not to mention he's been in the alliance since Day 1. I am ready to live or die by this alliance.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't. I think he got the correct results.

Whether he gave the correct results or gavn fake ones to protect his new scumbuddy (after being recruited), who knows?

lol @ nacho's vote.

[ReaperCharlie]

A dream came to me last Night, and it was an Innocent. Name will come later or if the person gets run up.

As much as I agree with you that it might be useful to wait, I get this nagging feeling that it'd be more useful to reveal it now. Your choice, though.

Also, Dry-fit: good find that raj disappeared from Spyrex's kill list. hmmm

[ReaperCharlie]

Well well well, this is an interesting development.
Sooo... Mr. Goat, may I ask why you are offering your services to us?

Because you feel like you couldn't have won? If so, then I have to ask:
Like you said, you had relatively little/no heat on you at the moment...

Why come forward? Why not try to win? Scared of the odds?

Also, more people voting raj, please.

[ReaperCharlie]

Was resetting the votes really necessary?

Re-vote: rajrhcpfreak

[ReaperCharlie]

No, Kise, I think inHimshallIbe claimed ZazieR was an innocent (according to a dream, of course) as well.

Which tells us:
2. Kise
4. don_johnson (

Alliance

)
6. Shattered Viewpoint (dreamed

Innocent

by

SpyreXscum

)
7. lukepukeduke
9. Deer (dreamed

Innocent

by don_johnson)
11. Sucrose (

Alliance

)
12. inHimshallibe (

Alliance

)
13. rajrhcpfreak
14. Lowell
16. ZazieR (dreamed

Innocent

by inHimshallIbe)
18. Reaper_Charlie (

Alliance

)
19. Nachomamma8
20. Dry-fit (dreamed

Innocent

by Sucrose) (

Alliance

)
21. My Milked Eek
24. xRECKONERx

Dead
1. Chronopie -

Innocent

3. Fate -

Innocent

5. animorpherv1 -

Lunatic

8. dramonic -

Creature

10. SpyreX -

Werewolf

15. Nightson -

Vampire

17. easjo682 -

no flip yet

22. The Goat -

Vampire

until modkill
23. Merkabah -

Vampire

(convert)
25. Crypto -

Innocent

Looks like we're doing pretty well so far. If easjo's innocent, that still puts us at 6 scum killed to only 4 townies.

So out of the 15 remaining players, I can't see more than 2 or 3 tops being scum. Maybe even only one, depending on easjo's flip... but if Goat was telling the truth about not killing last night, then the werewolves did the kill, and they wouldn't kill their own.

I think we've got exactly two scum left; unless of course there's some sort of other third-party role, which of course we can't rule out.

Also, from what I can tell by reading goatvamp's posts, it looks like the recruitment thing really was only a one-time thing. That's good to know.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Deer: 1183

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, in 1207, I forgot to add (convert) on the end of Spyrex. But I think I got the point across that town is in pretty good shape, and we can afford to mislynch a couple times.

That said, I don't think that raj is a mislynch. Fire away, guys. Seriously, wtf.

Moar votez on rajfreak pleaze!

xReck: I would assume that since Goat was modkilled, that he wasn't lying about being the last vamp. But we still don't know for sure, lol. That's just my guess going by what he said. It could have just been a clever ruse... but by being modkilled, he certainly became a martyr for what he said, and that makes me believe it more.

[ReaperCharlie]

But as another note, Reck, if there DID happen to be more vamps left, you're the one I would suspect, with a comment like that.

We'll find out after raj flips, eh?

[ReaperCharlie]

You know...

the

alliance. lol

And I don't trust SV's innocent result either. It's just like SpyreX to twist something around like that.

[ReaperCharlie]

Unless something wacky happens like two NK's or something, I think so. Goat never got a chance to tell us about the poisonings, but I'd assume they were an ability of the werewolves and vampires, each killing the other? That worked out well.

Vampires and werewolves: One-shot turn, One-shot daykill?

Sounds sumptuous and believable, but someone else brought up the idea that there is a town Poisoner role, which also sounds like a possibility. If so, they haven't been killed or investigated yet, so... good. If it really was scum just day-cross-killing, hooray.

I don't really know if we'll see any more of it... but don't count it out. Either way, both poisonings really helped out the town, so from me to whoever/whatever did that, thanks a mil!

<3, ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

Btw, oh where, oh where, has Zazier gone? I noticed his last post was HERE and I thought... wait, what?

But carry on with the raj lynch.

[ReaperCharlie]

L-1

[ReaperCharlie]

bitch plz.

the alliance is ensuring us the win, regardless of scum infiltration

[ReaperCharlie]

EBWOP: all alliance members ARE STILL ALIVE doesn't raise alarm bells...

That's beside the point. What do you think of rajrhcpfreak's lynch?

[ReaperCharlie]

The thing we're waiting for is your vote, son. Your vote.

Use it or lose it.

[ReaperCharlie]

No sh*t, sherlock.

[ReaperCharlie]

Just hammer, anybody.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmmm... good find, MME.

My best guess is that Kise is an investigative/tracker role that got a janitored result. Or else that crypto also targeted chronopie that night. But crypto was a VT equivalent, according to his flip, so....

Kise?





And before we start lynching anyone, let us see what the dreams reveal today, shall we?

[ReaperCharlie]

EBWOP: Since MME's find was before the jump, I'll re-post it:

Which reminds me, why did we allow Kise to change his claim? From "crypto ate chronopie" to "crypto supposedly left his mark on chronopie". Or with quotes:

The semi-flavored result I received reveals that crypto's "vestige" was strongly found on Chronopie's remains, therefore he killed and ate him.

The semi-flavored scene I got yesterday said I was overhearing men in lab coats; crypto supposedly left his mark on Chronopie.

Again, good find.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ MME: Well then, WTF? I have no idea what happened then.

---

mod: the question on zazie was because she hasn't posted since may 23rd. wotzuhthadeal?

And that was just a one-line "Vote:animorpherv1" post.

Before that, it's been since the 16th. 0_o

---

I'm waiting until we hear from more people (and hopefully, until we get the other dream) before I hop on the Sucrose wagon.

[ReaperCharlie]

That's good enough for me!

Vote: Sucrose

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok then. Let's go.

Vote: Sucrose

.

@ MME: Well then, WTF? I have no idea what happened then.

Well, he said that Day 2 while he changed his claim.

Ah, I see. Now you're perfectly fine with lynching based on a dream? Ok. Noted. haha

I'm tempted to think MME is some non-vampire, non-werewolf, OTHER-oriented kind of scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Here, let me clean the corner of your mouth off. Looks like I missed. *gets out handkerchief*

[ReaperCharlie]

All dreams that have been tested (except for Kise's "results" on crypto) have been proven true.

[ReaperCharlie]

Deer's vote is L-2. I have little reason to believe that the other two votes will be far behind.

Wanna claim, Sucrose? Huh, buddy?

---

Updated:

Actions So Far

Dreams, nightkills, daykills, flips, delayed flips, etc.

Day 1

LYFL: dramonic (

creature

) lynched

Night 1

NKDF: Chronopie (

innocent

) slaughtered in tunnels
NKDF: Nightson (

vampire

) slaughtered in tunnels
NKFL: animorpherv1 (

lunatic

) dismembers Fate (

innocent

)

DR: Dry-fit (?) dreams of SpyreX being recruited by werewolves (

confirmed

)
DR: xReckonerx (?) dreams that animorpherv1 is a Lunatic (

confirmed

)

Day 2

LYFL: animorpher (

lunatic

) lynched

Night 2

Note: no night kills take place

DR: SpyreX (

werewolf

) dreams that Shattered Viewpoint is innocent (

unconfirmed

)
DR: don_johnson (?) dreams that Deer is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

OTH: Kise (

?

) gets results of crypto's DNA on Chronopie's (dead) body

Day 3

DKFL: Merkabah (

vampire

) poisoned and killed
DKFL: SpyreX (

werewolf

) poisoned and killed
LYFL: crypto (

innocent

) lynched due to kise's results

Night 3

NKDF: easjo682 (

innocent

) slaughtered in tunnels

DR: Sucrose dreams that Dry-fit is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

Day 4

LYFL: rajrhcpfreak (

the priest

) lynched

Night 4

Lowell (?) taken into the tunnels

DR: xReckx dreams that Sucrose is a werewolf (

unconfirmed

)

DR: Dry-fit dreams that xReckx is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

Day 5

LY (candidate): Sucrose (

????

) at L-2


If that's incomplete, someone let me know.
Dam#, wish we had more results about

guilty

people.

Fixed the above to include what we know now.

Also, if Sucrose flips town (or anything other than werewolf for that matter), xReck and Dry-fit are werewolves.

Also of note, I think it's interesting that raj flipped as "THE" priest, and not just "A" priest. which is interesting, because it sort of confirms spyrex's original role, because a) he must have known that there was a priest role, and it wasn't made up, and b) there must have only been two of them, total. I have no idea why raj didn't claim, though. It would have least help us not mislynch him. lol

Also also (preview edit): Shattered Viewpoint. Nice Bus/L-1. Mind letting him claim first before scum quick-hammers, hombre?

Unvote

[ReaperCharlie]

And about the cyclical-dreamer thing, that's a really interesting note. But then again, what would happen if one of the original dreamers died? And how were they selected? Randomly? Too many questions. I guess we'll find out after tonight, though.

Either way, I doubt the true-false-true-false thing. I think they're always true, unless the recipient decides to lie about them.

I love how today was only like an hour long so far and we've already got someone so close to lynching. Mmmmm I love the smell of dead scum in the morning! (but I'm sad that we have to wait so long during the night).

@mod: can we shorten the nights to like 1.5 days or something?

Preview edit: Crap, mb MME.

[ReaperCharlie]

*looks back* Ok, 3 hours. It seemed like less, lol

[ReaperCharlie]

This could very well be a werewolf gambit. Something reeks of Spyrex Maybe he's still allowed to talk in the werewolf QT! omfg!!!

I'll think over the possibilities and post later.

[ReaperCharlie]

Dear The Alliance,

I want to be in your pants.

Sincerely,

xRECKONERx

If Sucrose is a werewolf...

k, you're in

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, looking at the thread again, I realized (duh!) that there's no way Dry-fit would have outed Spyrex as a werewolf if he himself were a werewolf (yes, I know. stupid me for even thinking twice that this is a werewolf gambit). And secondly, I saw somewhere where reck was like "Spyrex sure is eager for this day to end" which I totally can't see as bussing, as this was before dry-fit gave his spyrex dream.

So really, there's no way either Dry-fit or Reck are werewolves unless one of them was recruited by the werewolves after the events I mentioned above. Which could be a possible explanation of Dry-fit now giving an innocent result on Reck. Either he could be buddying up to him (as a werewolf), or.... hmmm never mind.

Either way, for now, I'm reasonably convinced that they're both (still) town, as they've both had dreams about them that label them as innocent. Haha, cults make everything so confusing. I LOVE EM! MUAHAHAHAHA



ReaperCharlie out.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll see your Batman... and I'll raise you a lightsaber and a shark.

[ReaperCharlie]

Obviously no one is going to object to a shorter night.

[ReaperCharlie]

Don't quicklynch, please. I'll be back tomorrow evening after I've moved into my new apartment.

Nobody's going to wait for you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: Sucrose

[ReaperCharlie]

From Night Five onwards, Night phases will last 48 hours.

And there was much rejoicing.

[ReaperCharlie]

How do you extrapolate that, MME? You're not making any sense.

[ReaperCharlie]

Finally, the flavor is coming back up to par. I thought someone's brain had gone awol, there.
Two questions: wtf is a Ghoul? And wtf is an Oracle? Lots of third-party roles here, ugh!

And yeah, dreams dreams plz!

[ReaperCharlie]

btw, what is your suspicion, reck?

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Oracle speculation: ahhhh that sounds plausible. It jives with this, too.

@ inHim (about why it seems so easy): The alliance is where the power is, baby! *flexes*

I had a dream!

Kise is a werewolf.

Vote: Kise

Hmm... you seem rather quick to point the finger. Normally, I'd agree with you. I am a little uneasy about your dream, though, for the following reason: Spyrex is the one who dreamed you were innocent, but he turned up to be a werewolf. Why should we believe you?

Warning: speculation follows: Maybe Spyrex (as a werewolf) dreamed you (a werewolf) as innocent to cover his buddy's arse, but didn't count on himself flipping scum. And now, you (a werewolf) are taking advantage of the fact that our dreamer(s?) are dead, and just pretending to have your own dream. Even though I agree that Oracles might create dreams, how could scum possibly know that beforehand? Lowell flipped town so.

---

But on the flip side of the coin, Kise got away with NOT getting lynched the day after his false 'results' on crypto, so I think it's high time he's had his share of the noose. Any thoughts to the contrary? Or were you all just waiting for me to give the Kise wagon my blessing?

Anyway: Kise, what is your dream, if you aren't making it up as a last ditch effort to stay alive? It's the only thing that can save you now, so you might as well get loud and proud, and speak your piece now.

Love,
ReaperCharlie
Alliance Officer

[ReaperCharlie]

With the appearance of

The Ghoul

and our D1 lynch of

The Creature

, I feel a little more at ease. I was becoming really paranoid about just being spoonfed some dreams.

P.S. How do we know there aren't any more third-party roles out there?

For all we know, you could be

The Monster

and you're just lucky that nobody's thought to NK or lynch you yet, and now you're hoping to dissuade anyone else by hinting that there aren'y any more third party roles.

Hmmm... sounds fishy to me.

[ReaperCharlie]

Do you know that there ARE any?

[ReaperCharlie]

Three.

[ReaperCharlie]

I had a dream too.. I think I'll keep it to myself though.

I know you're active in other games. Spit it out, man!

[ReaperCharlie]

Chill out MME we have time. I want to hear what the man has to say.

You seem quite eager for a quick lynch.

[ReaperCharlie]

Did I miss something? Where did he soft-claim wolf?

[ReaperCharlie]

He got a dream, mentions that he got one, but doesn't share the result.

Would you see any town motive not to share a dream result?

I don't think he got a dream, honestly, but I want to see what he claims to have gotten just for jollies before we quicklynch him

Kise. Get your arse in here son!


P.S. @SV, Lowell was dragged into tunnels night before last, wasn't he? Which means he couldn't have given anyone a dream last night. Which likely means that given the Oracles-giving-dreams theory, that there is at least one Oracle left. Which would also make sense because there have been 2 dreams per night up until now.

[ReaperCharlie]

Did I miss something? Where did he soft-claim wolf?

@ MME: any day now.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't see how you extrapolate a werewolf claim out of that.

[ReaperCharlie]

You're right, it doesn't make sense, which is why I am waiting to hear from him before passing judgement. And the longer you sit here and talk back to me about it, the more excuse he has to lurk, even though he's posting elsewhere.

So STFU.

Kise. GTF in here. Thx

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't buy your above post.

Vote: Kise

[ReaperCharlie]

oh btw...


YOU ARE SPECIAL KISE
Tell us your dream now!:)

[ReaperCharlie]

Why not? I tried my darnedest to make him feel special!

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C'mon, Kise!

[ReaperCharlie]

*brain mixes last 2 posts together*

Wait... KoC and Reck get their "happy ending" by watching 1man1jar?

[ReaperCharlie]

Ya plz

[ReaperCharlie]

L-2.. someone plz get on and kill Kise. Thanks.

[ReaperCharlie]

rrrrooby rack?

[ReaperCharlie]

Hooray, the site is back! Everyone rejoice!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm still getting adjusted too =\

[ReaperCharlie]

Why are you prodding me, I just posted like 10 minutes ago.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh.... *sees it* ....HAHAHAHAA!

/me backhands MME!

I think we got a little too chummy over Marathon Day lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Friend me on the wiki <3

[ReaperCharlie]

STFU reck! Vote Kise!

[ReaperCharlie]

Hello chumz

Sooooo lets learn what we can from the dead, then move on to the living. So, starting with the ...

DEAD

8. dramonic -

The Creature

(lynched D1)
1. Chronopie -

Innocent

(killed N1)
15. Nightson -

Vampire

(killed N1)
3. Fate -

Innocent

(killed N1)
5. animorpherv1 -

Lunatic

(lynched D2)
10. SpyreX -

Werewolf

(poisoned D3)
23. Merkabah -

Vampire

(poisoned D3)
25. Crypto -

Innocent

(lynched D3)
17. easjo682 -

Innocent

(killed N3)
22. The Goat - claimed

Vampire

(modkilled D4)
13. rajrhcpfreak -

The Priest

(lynched D4)
14. Lowell -

The Oracle

(killed N4)
11. Sucrose -

Werewolf

(lynched D5)
4.don_johnson -

The Ghoul

(killed N5)
2. Kise -

Werewolf

(lynched D6)

now moving onto the....

LIVING

6. Shattered Viewpoint

----dreamed to be

Innocent

by a known

Werewolf

----but dreamed a guilty on another

Werewolf

.
----Ergo, very likely

not

a

Werewolf

. Likely an

Innocent

)

7. lukepukeduke

----no information whatsoever, also... quite a lurker.

9. Deer

-----dreamed to be

Innocent

by someone who flipped

The Ghoul

-----No likelier to be innocent than anyone else.

12. inHimshallibe

----no dreams about this player.

16. ZazieR

----dreamed to be

Innocent

by inHimshallibe
----but inHimshallibe has no more proven info than anyone else, so this is only half good enough.

18. Reaper_Charlie

----no dreams about this player, buttt
----I'm an

Innocent

. Trust me on this. Thx.

19. Nachomamma8

----no dreams about this player.

20. Dry-fit

----dreamed to be

Innocent

by a flipped

Werewolf

----No likelier to be innocent than anyone else.

21. My Milked Eek

----no dreams about this player.

24. xRECKONERx

----dreamed to be

Innocent

by Dry-fit.
----but Dry-Fit was in turn was dreamed innocent by a

Werewolf

.
----so.... not

quite

confirmed, but

more

confirmed than most.


and rounding off with the...

LYNCH LIST

20. Dry-fit

(dreamed innocent by a Werewolf)

9. Deer

(dreamed innocent by a Ghoul)

7. lukepukeduke

(no dreams, but lurking hardcore)

12. inHimshallibe

(no dreams)

19. Nachomamma8

(no dreams)

21. My Milked Eek

(no dreams)

16. ZazieR (not a good lynch: dreamed innocent by an unconfirmed. nonetheless, if the unconfirmed is an innocent... etc)

24. xRECKONERx (not a good lynch: dreamed innocent by someone dreamed innocent by a werewolf. too much wifom. should go for the more direct connection to a known scum)

6. Shattered Viewpoint (

not

lynching this guy. dreamed innocent, and dreamed us a guilty on a wolf.)

This of course does not take into account any dreams we may or may not have tonight. Anyone have anything to add?

[ReaperCharlie]

ebwop: dreams we may have had LAST night

[ReaperCharlie]

Both the creature and the ghoul were colored red. Maybe they are another scum faction with unique names. How should I know.

Either way, it doesn't reeeeally matter when you think about it, that's just

my

lynch list, you can agree with it or not.

I'm just gonna wait until everyone's checked in and we have all dream knowledge before I throw down a vote.

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, what makes you think the scum would automatically clear one of their partners with a fake dream? Why not clear someone they know to be town? That's what I'm willing to bet Spyre did with dryfit.

k yeah that's a pretty Valid Point, buuuuuut

since this is coming from you, a guy who

was

cleared by scum, I'm not paying attention.

Also, you're the only guy with a vote down even though everyone else is waiting, sooooooooo

BFMFHOMFS: Deer

[ReaperCharlie]

O hey I'm back. Any dreams?

VOTE: My Milked Eek for now.

What gives?

This response to a single vote is scummy, btw.

igmeoy mme





btw HI andrius

[ReaperCharlie]

Reasoning: Your ears are too big in your avatar. Obviously a false representation.

Lynch all liars.

[ReaperCharlie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ReaperCharlie]

You might wanna ISO me: you'll get a good story of what's happened so far, I have a few good summary posts.

As for catching scum slips, yeah, you'll have to read the whole topic.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hi Reck. Who do you think is scum?

[ReaperCharlie]

Not me.

Lies.

[ReaperCharlie]

Anyone get any dreams last night??

[ReaperCharlie]

You sir, are a pillar of responsibility and motivation.
There's no way I'd read through 60 pages of a game I replaced into.

I commend you.

... [/buddying]

[ReaperCharlie]

You can't join the alliance in this game either.

[ReaperCharlie]

Activity meter for Day 7, and where a dream may have fallen.

ReaperCharlie - 13 posts (did not get a dream)

lukepukeduke/Andrius - 9 posts (said he didn't get a dream)

xRECKONERx - 6 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
My Milked Eek - 4 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
Deer - 2 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
Nachomamma8 - 2 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
Shattered Viewpoint - 2 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
inHimshallibe - 1 post (hasn't claimed a dream)
ZazieR/replacement - 0 posts
Dry-fit - 0 posts


So... who got a dream last night???? ANYONE?!?!?

[ReaperCharlie]

That's a fair assumption I guess, I just wanted to make sure that nobody else had dreams to claim before we start nailing down a lynch target.

Raj flipped Priest, and Spyrex claimed Priest before raj flipped, making me think Spyrex was a priest to begin with, but was recruited by the Werewolves straight away. So there's probably no more priests. But only one Oracle flipped so far (this game's equivalent of a modified cop, I guess?), so there might still be one out there.

So, there have been:

4

innocent

(vanilla townie) flips
2

innocent

PR flips (oracle and priest)
3

werewolf

flips (spyrex, sucrose, Kise)
3

vampire

flips (nightson, merk, and counting Goat)
3 third-party flips (

creature

,

ghoul

, and

lunatic

)

The way Goat said "used our turn" makes me believe that they only had one, total. This probably means the Werewolves only had one total, too, and it's been used up on Spyrex.

So spyrex and raj were both priests, and lowell was an oracle. Merk may or may not have been an oracle, but since we got 2 dreams per night even after that point, and continued to get 2 dreams per night until lowell was killed, then maybe it was lowell giving both dreams (if we haven't gotten any).

There are 10 players left.

I still think there's a Lunatic-esque third-party role floating out there somewhere... I don't know what's up with no deaths last night though, cause two priests have died and that's the doctor role for this game...


who's down for a mass claim? would it be beneficial at this point?

why or why not?

[ReaperCharlie]

Dry-fit, are you a werewolf?

[ReaperCharlie]

Why is that a stupid question? STFU and let him answer it.

[ReaperCharlie]

So I'm starting to speculate on the remaining people.
I think that there could be a chance at one more werewolf, since they have been around the longest, therein, more time to recruit? Perhaps another 'red player' akin to "The Creature" and "The Ghoul". A second type of "The Lunatic" as well?

I agree.

@ RC: Updating this would be nice. I'm too lazy ATM.

So am I. Do it when you're less lazy.

About the dreams. In my read Reckoner (i think it was him) mentioned something about 50% of the dreams being true. If this is the case, we can simply look at them like a Dethy game and work our way through the web. I'll work on a little dream-catcher diagram thing to show the connections, and hopefully I'll be able to upload it here.

Don't bother. Whoever said that either spoke too soon, or was retarded. All of the dreams have been proven true now.

Also @ RC: Why are you so convinced that SpyreX was a legit Priest before the recruitment? I seem to think that his story as a Priest-being untargettable- was veto'd by the recruitment. I think he was just a normal Innocent, since the lynch-flavor in D4 suggests that Priests use Holy Water as protection/a block of sorts.

Because he hadn't seen the raj flip yet, so how could he have possibly known that there was a Priest role in the setup beforehand?


Btw, welcome to the Alliance.

[ReaperCharlie]

Updated activity/dream possibilities for Day 7.

ReaperCharlie - 18 posts (did not get a dream)

lukepukeduke/Andrius - 11 posts (said he didn't get a dream)

xRECKONERx - 8 posts (said he didn't get a dream)

Deer - 3 posts (said he didn't get a dream)

Shattered Viewpoint - 2 posts (said he didn't get a dream)

Dry-fit - 1 post (said he didn't get a dream)

My Milked Eek - 4 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
Nachomamma8 - 2 posts (hasn't claimed a dream)
inHimshallibe - 1 post (hasn't claimed a dream)
ZazieR/replacement - 0 posts



Look how sad this is. We have become dependent on dreams. If there aren't any...

ANYONE HAVE ANY SCUM READS?

[ReaperCharlie]

You're trying to make my brain explode...

AREN'T YOU?

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm... was he being serious?

[ReaperCharlie]

Found it.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2290495

He was joking, and obviously in contempt of following dreams.

[ReaperCharlie]

Me neither. It makes my head a-splode.

[ReaperCharlie]

But anyways, since we're all online, we might as well discuss dreams (or lack thereof) and since we're all 3 of us in the Alliance, we'll decide who we wanna lynch today.

[ReaperCharlie]

lmao if we block-vote now, we'll be unstoppable.

stop standing in the way of progress! the railroads are being built and there is NOTHING you can do about it!

[ReaperCharlie]

20. Dry-fit (dreamed innocent by a Werewolf)
9. Deer (dreamed innocent by a Ghoul)

12. inHimshallibe (no dreams about this player)
19. Nachomamma8 (no dreams about this player)
21. My Milked Eek (no dreams about this player)

...and I recommend against lynching xReck, SV, or Andrius.


Out of those, I'm gonna go with lynching Nacho for now, until/unless anything else develops.

[ReaperCharlie]

Did you get a dream last night, MME?

[ReaperCharlie]

the Alliance is only so good as we're all town, and since we have no way of knowing that, there could easily be scum chilling with us.

This has been proven wrong multiple times thus far in this game.

Regardless of the presence of scum in the alliance (though obviously not desirable), the alliance itself is pro-town.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, you'd think so, especially by now.



So... did you have a dream last night... ?

[ReaperCharlie]

Deer... idk, SpyreX was trying to take him down really hard at the end. That makes me want to think either SpyreX was trying an UBER bus, or that he's actually town. I wouldn't write him off as town, though, obviously. Because he was dreamed innocent by scum.

Dry-Fit, I just don't know about. I think he's town... buuutttt... he could be scum. The fact that the guy who dreamed innocent on him flipped a Ghoul doesn't help.

I think Jackalope made some great AtE's, and eventually I think I went with a marginal town read on him. Even though I don't like Nacho's play much, I'll let him slide for the read I had on Jackalope.

inHim, I have basically nothing to go on. Lurking more and more.

Andrius, I'm quite pleased with his entrance into the game. I'm willing to not lynch him.

xReck, I'd say has not been particularly pro-town, but he's been dreamed innocent by Dry-fit, who was dreamed innocent himself (albeit by a wolf). I'd want to lynch Dry-fit before lynching xReck, if anything.

Shattered Viewpoint delivered us a werewolf in a dream, and was dreamed innocent (by a werewolf). He's not a werewolf, so... he's probably innocent.

Aaaaand, I've been getting scum vibes from MME all game, and he's

refusing to answer my question

now, and instead is skirting around the edges of answering it.

DID YOU GET A DREAM OR NOT, MME?

Vote: My Milked Eek

[ReaperCharlie]

How about an MME lynch?

[ReaperCharlie]

Votes, please.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, that's not a "no".

So answer me.

Did you get a dream, or not.

[ReaperCharlie]

MME is scum. I'm calling it right now. Possibly the final scum in the game.

Let's get this wagon going. NOW.

[ReaperCharlie]

What is your alignment, MME?

[ReaperCharlie]

Blockvoting does not negate scumhunting. It facilitates joint scumhunting between remaining known Innocent or probably Innocent members. Such is the nature of an alliance in the first place, to cut down on arguing between people who are confirmed or near-confirmed.

And I don't want a wagon on you because you're anti-alliance. I could care less if you're anti-alliance. Andrius and xReck have both said "enough of this alliance bs" too. It's not about that, and it seems pretty clear that you're using that as a straw man for my actual argument on you.

Which is: You avoided my questions and used weasel words instead of answering me directly like everyone else.

By the way: It's a given that there will be anti-alliance players. Do you honestly think I'm scum and NKing each and every anti-alliance player in systematic order, JUST so that I can have my cake and eat it too? And it is ALSO a given that some of the people that died would have been anti-alliance as well... quite a few people have died.

I have done my utmost to make sure that the least amount of pro-town people possible have died, and I think we've done a pretty good job of that so far. We've got nine scum dead so far, and only six townies. That's unprecedented.

But I also have another secret reason why I know you're scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ninja'd by 4 posts, but: that was all @ MME.

[ReaperCharlie]

Not gonna spill the beans. <3

Vote Count:

My Milked Eek (2) - Deer, ReaperCharlie
ReaperCharlie (1) - My Milked Eek

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. Go go gadget MME-votes!

[ReaperCharlie]

I *highly* doubt that more than 10 or 11 of the 25 original players are scum. Even if there were 11, we've already killed off 9. Meaning there's no way we're in lylo or even close to it. So that goes out the window.

And since out of the 10 players left, there are VERY LIKELY no more than 1 or 2 scum, here's the smart way to play it: Like an Assassin in the Palace game, using the breaking strategy.




And think about it... what POSSIBLE reasons are there that I know you should be lynched?

[ReaperCharlie]

Have you seen how you're playing this alliance? Seriously. A fast train to lylo is what it is. As for the anti-alliance people dying, did you forget the context in which lowell was killed?

Yeah, he was slaughtered in the tunnels on night four. No reason, no rhyme.

Sucrose told Kise to kill don_johnson before she died, and he did. Too bad he flipped a Ghoul, and someone ELSE killed the Oracle.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok. Well, we'll see if the rest of the town agrees with me that you should be lynched.

I could go for a Nacho lynch too but I still think you're a lying sack of scum.

I want the lurkers to speak up more, too.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nope. Notice, my vote's still on you.

And what effect do you think Lowell's death has had on the alliance? Strength, or weakness?

Who else is gonna run a train on MME with me and Deer?

[ReaperCharlie]

ARE YOU TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE AWESOMENESS THAT HAS COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE ALLIANCE?!?!

[ReaperCharlie]

Hahahaha

That was based on Kise's results, and Kise got lynched for it.

[ReaperCharlie]

So you don't still have your role PM because of the move, is that it?

[ReaperCharlie]

No... it's just that I have everything intact in my PMs after the move.

Why would yours have been deleted, and mine not?

Is anyone else missing their role PM who didn't delete it themselves?

[ReaperCharlie]

How convenient.

So why do you think I'm scum, again? Because I'm pro-alliance, and there were anti-alliance people that died?

[ReaperCharlie]

SUPER SECRET REASONS.

And if the Alliance is gonna stand with me and vote for you, great. Let's nail the final one or two scum and be done with this game.

If not; prepare for a flurry of mistrust in the end-game and a REALLY crappy LyLo situation (which is probably pretty far off, but still).

[ReaperCharlie]

HEY REAPER
IF YOU HAVE A SECRET FUCKING REASON
AND MME IS POTENTIALLY THE FINAL SCUM

THERE'S NO REASON TO FUCKING KEEP IT A FUCKING SECRET ANYMORE DUMBASS

Yes there is. Because what if there are more scum left than just him?

[ReaperCharlie]

k... read post 1094 again, I softclaimed in it.

And in case anyone is wondering, here are the people I would lynch, in order:

My Milked Eek (first)
Nachomomma8
inHimshallibe
Dry-fit
Deer
ZazieR
Andrius
xRECKONERx
Shattered Viewpoint (last)

[ReaperCharlie]

God I feel like when I'm not here this place goes to hell.

Seriously. Can we not wait a bit for me to read?! RC, you value my opinion and insight but you're trying to get a MME lynch going as fast as possible? Hold off for a bit.
Look, I don't know what this secret info is, but if it helps the town I don't see why not. I'm sure you're not the only NK-target out there, especially with multiple, competing scum and 3rd
party factions.

*reading back over the past 2 pages*

Who said I value your opinion and insight?!!?

You are supposed to auto-vote anyone I vote for. That's the whole point of the alliance.

When MME flips scum, then we can talk about whether or not the alliance is getting us anywhere.

Savvy?

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, of course I value your opinion if it is a vote on MME

*waits*

[ReaperCharlie]

It is a voting block, but not your personal army.

Appeal to Majority, Appeal to Emotion, any else you'd like to add before you are violently swung from a telephone pole?

[ReaperCharlie]

Annnnnd.... you backtracked on your BIG F*CKING PINK EARS. Don't you DARE deny that!!!



P.S. Nobody better post anything else unless it has a "Vote: MME" attached to it.

[ReaperCharlie]

I

am

town.

MME is just being antagonistic

[ReaperCharlie]

Seriously, ISO me vs MME.

Who's been the more pro-town?
Who's been more pro-lynch for those who flipped scum?
Who's been the most attractive and well mannered?

Well... maybe not so much that last one
But the answer is clearly me.

[ReaperCharlie]

NO

[ReaperCharlie]

Unless you agree to self-hammer, in which case I'll tell you during twilight.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, precious, then let us prove ourselves, we'll lynch us the last scums, yes precious?

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, shhhh MME....

@mod:
Can we get a prod on everyone who hasn't posted within the last day or two?
And what is the status of Zaz's replacement?

[ReaperCharlie]

Haha! What happened to this??

Dear The Alliance,

I want to be in your pants.

Sincerely,

xRECKONERx

.... lol? I said if Kise flipped werewolf, that you were in. You are now in. Do you not trust me?

[ReaperCharlie]

My significant change is that we don't have a dream to go on, and I am trying for reactions.

My reactions have given me reason to believe that MME is scum.

Not only because of the way he is acting (and his omgus vote) but also for a reason I will divulge at a later point if it becomes necessary, but would be prudent to keep secret until such time as it becomes necessary to reveal.

Is that enough, and have I not done enough to help the game?

If not, lynch me now and let's have done with it. If you don't think I'm worth listening to and don't have any inside info, feel free. Kise claimed to have inside info and was a lying sack of sh*t. So I wouldn't blame you.

But I ask: What would it benefit me (as one of the remaining scum) to vocally lead a lynch that could easily blow up into omgus?

What would it benefit me to post so actively and in general just bring so much attention to myself?

If you were one of the remaining scum, wouldn't you just try to just lurk/coast throughout the day and 'pretend' to scumhunt?

I know I would.

Which is why I'm saying: Trust me on this. If I'm wrong, then we can go from there. But we're nowhere NEAR MyLo (it'd take a good 3 or 4 MORE mislynches to get us there).

So... make up your mind whether you're gonna listen to me and vote MME, or whether you're gonna listen to him and follow his omgus.