Cross Edge Bastard Mod! (Game Over!)

[DTMaster]

Vote Nikanor

because I hate him and his scummy scummy ways. Lols
Also

Day Kill Elizabeth

cause I'm awesome sauce like that.

[DTMaster]

Why does Reck read like a Lyncher to Dram? Oh yeah, because he does. Pew pew.

[DTMaster]

Holy bejebussausages. I need to catch up. BRB posting when I read.

[DTMaster]

HOLD ON. RECK YOU SHOT NIKANOR ON PAGE 6 BUT YOU VOTEZ HIM ON PAGE 8 WTF MAN WTF

[DTMaster]

My brain hurts trying to process some of the events >>;; I don't even have solid scum reads and only 1 maybe 2 good town reads. Boooz. Things I noted.

a. Must reread NS, but for some reason. Vibes = bad.
b. Reck reads as awful for said kill from the page 6 -> page 8 thing.
c. Caps alliance infiltration means we have mainly townies there.
d. Something about the Longing makes me quelf.

Gotta wait for the Gandalf flip before I do wagon analysis.

[DTMaster]

Caps alliance sucks. Plus Fate's assessment is probably correct, scumz be there smokescreening the alliance.

[DTMaster]

Kinda late, I think Kai hammered. He said he would Hammer. Plus I think we caught Kise and Vezoki scumz.

[DTMaster]

ONE MORE VOTE AND I WILL HAMMER. AFTER THAT WE WAIT FOR A VOTECOUNT. IF THE LYNCH DOESN'T HAPPEN, BACK THE FUCK OFF OF GANDALF BECAUSE HE'S CONFIRMED TOWN.

ANYONE, I REPEAT, ANYONE WHO VOTES GANDALF AFTER I HAVE HAMMERED BUT BEFORE THE VOTECOUNT GETS LYNCH IMMEDIATELY UPON DAYBREAK. NO EXCUSES WILL BE TOLERATED.

[DTMaster]

Kise read this again:

IF THE LYNCH DOESN'T HAPPEN, BACK THE FUCK OFF OF GANDALF BECAUSE HE'S CONFIRMED TOWN.

[DTMaster]

Let's wait for the flip if it happens before you judge kthksbye.

@Kai
Please make sure that

its an alignment confirm

rather then a

race confirm

. I can only confirm races but I don't confirm

alignments

[DTMaster]

Kk, this is awesomesauce. Since both Kise and V unvoted and the hammer didn't go through Gandalf is cleared townie.

[DTMaster]

Gandalf (10): SpyreX, Fate, Sociopath, xRECKONERx, IHSIB, Snow_Bunny, Ellibereth, Parama, BloodCovenent, Chronopie, Kairyuu

Kai is role role role confirmed. THIS IS EPIC.

[DTMaster]

Wait. Kai isn't role confirmed. Why didn't you let Dram confirm your role by voting on someone without a hammer vote?

[DTMaster]

And then vote someone with yours as a hammer vote?

[DTMaster]

Kai confirm your role by unvoting now please.

[DTMaster]

If Kai was voteless to begin with, then the hammer vote was false, you do realize that. That means we shouldn't be jumping around about having confirms.

[DTMaster]

I'm adding up and double checking. It does clear so you winrars. I'm going to reread once I have some sleep.

[DTMaster]

WTF why did this go up by 10 pages over 1 day. Reread now.

[DTMaster]

1. I'd totally lynch you and wrap the noose around your lovely, scummy neck for this post. It reads as: scumz trying to kill the result and the cops. Gandalf's death will role confirm, but the 24->23 vote drop is damning enough. It's mod confirmedness to the conditions of Kai's power. I want vero dead plz.

2. Actually the exchange of Exe wanting to be investigated reads either as: GF bluff or over eager townie. But Vero's horrible reasoning for Exe's self vote (see how he wanted to confirm via Kai's powers) reads as scum grasping at straws here.

3. Dear Benmage. Because of this post I want to have a bullet in your head at the moment. Just thought to let you know now. In case bullets do fly your direction.

4. With my scum read on Vero, I am uncomfortable with his eagerness to jump on the wagon. Gut vibes and everything. Calling it now, if Kise flips town, Vero is very very very very likely scum. If Kise flips scum, this doesn't affect my read on Vero and I'd still want him dead.

5. Rawr being associated with this clan makes me sad some how.

6. Oi, what the hell. Benmage sanity check please?
sub section: If Fate flips town, Benmage isn't automatically obv scumz due to sanity.

The best thing to do is to investigate Gandalf and confirm sanity from that.

7. SP SCREW SIMPLICITY. THIS IS DRAMONIC. SIMPLICITY DOES NOT EXIST. UK ENSURES THIS.

Edit: This is guarenteed. So we have Nikanor Cop. Benmage Cop. AND Kai cop? Teh fuck?

8.

Oh my god Benmage you were in a game with a lyncher in Battle Mage Mafia with CIRNO AS LYNCHER TO VI WHO LOCKED YOU DOWN AND ATE YOUR SCUMMY GUT

DIE BENMAGE SCUM DIE

VOTE: VEZOK

[DTMaster]

Battle Mage Mafia:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12167

0. Mayor - NPC, Killed Night 0
2. Vollkan - Doctor, Killed Day 1
13. Tubby216 - Protown Neighbour, (not quite) Lynched Day 1
8. Haylen - Protown Neighbour, Killed Day 1
9. Gieff - Mafia Neighbour, Killed Day 1
20. ElectricBadger - Mafia Doctor, Killed Day 1
7. Mariyta - Mafia Distorter, (Actually) Lynched Day 1

12. Cicero - Lyncher, Loses Night 1

6. Shanba - Vanilla Townie, Killed Night 1
24. Charter - Paranoid Cop, Killed Day 2
19. Kairyuu (Rep. Seraphim) - Cult Recruiter, Killed Day 2
23. SpyreX - Mafia Bookie, Lynched Day 2
5. Nikanor - Mafia JailKeeper, Killed Day 3
3. Sajin (Rep. ZazieR) - Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 3
10. Yosarian2 - Vanilla Townie, Killed Day 4
4. Porochaz (Rep. RandomLunatic) - Mafia ScrewBall, Killed Day 4
22. Cass (Rep. Alkaline) - Unlynchable Townie, Killed Day 5
14. Crazy - Vanilla Townie, Killed Day 5
11. Maemuki (Rep. IH) - Naive Cop, Killed Day 6

18. Benmage - Mafia Godfather, Lynched Day 6

17. Populartajo - Sane Cop, Modkilled Day 6

[DTMaster]

1. Also with claimed survivors, I don't want them in the end game if we get that far. I want them dead before lylo if it ever hits.

2. Benmage deserves to be shot at. If he flips lyncher, this doesn't clear Fate. Lynchers can be lynchers to mafia. It depends on the balance.

3. My desire to see VV dead outweighs the obvious Benmage Lyncher scumz.

[DTMaster]

I caught Benmage lying if you read my meta call, where Benmage knows what a lyncher is.

[DTMaster]

Mod you missed my vote on Vask, so you didn't count me for some reason >>

[DTMaster]

@SC
Off topic since its on Ben-lyncher: Benmage is playing extremely anti-town not to be an anti-town faction. I'd much prefer a shot at him considering he spent time with STALLING tactics trying to get Fate to post a game with a lyncher in it (to prove the role existence), when he played a game with me with one in it. Plus your role, is quite null considering that two role PMs were posted.

Read this as: I don't believe your claim for one second because it

is a fake

.

@Reck
I'd like it if Benmage dies at any time or Kise. I'd rather lynch else where.

[DTMaster]

Vote : Strangecoug,

I want Kai to hammer him

[DTMaster]

FYI: I am both Reyvateil and Fantasy. Technically I am a Reyvateil , but I belong to the Fantasy Job class. I'll full claim when it needs to.

[DTMaster]

FYI All fantasy players can confirm this note: Spears. If this is important, say yes/no.

[DTMaster]

Because claiming something that is public knowledge isn't a true claim. Hence why I want Kai to confirm SC's role.

[DTMaster]

Well alignment to be more accurate.

[DTMaster]

I would also like all fantasy players to claim the number. Starting with SC first. For Total.

[DTMaster]

It's more likey to have scum spread out over the different races/factions. I expect the Soul-scum to be like the GF role with what Nikanor Claimed. It fits.

[DTMaster]

WUT WHY SOCIAL?

[DTMaster]

I'm fantasy, but I don't get this spears thing, or the numbers. In my PM, it just says that being fantasy may or may not have an affect on the game.

Check again when Vask was lynched. Something should have happened, involving the key word spear and there is a number attached to it.

[DTMaster]

Obviously why I asked the number, If you can answer if:

Spears are important, tell me the number of spears, and if you want to ask: the sensation of your body last night, then you are fantasy.

[DTMaster]

SC: Is that the total number of spears counted in the Fantasy Information? (count all spears pls)

Edit: I want Kai's hammer on Exe actually. :[

[DTMaster]

Final question for Gandalf. Were fantasy people literally attacked by spears?

[DTMaster]

Wouldn't then Parama be technically the modified lyncher, like a BH?

[DTMaster]

But with KILLZ

[DTMaster]

I'd rather have Parama alive to keep his kill around, even if he is here to kill demons. But in order for this to work, Parama must be tied down via a leash. Parama, if you fail to kill demons, but get them later, then it shouldn't be fine since you did kill Dram.

I'd rather have the the potential to get rid of 3 scummy targets and confirm 1 kthnksbye.

[DTMaster]

Durh, hence the leesh. There will probably be protown demons. Read Mindscrew 4 where Tar aspects were both scum and town (and we had a lyncher to them).

But I'd rather have Parama shoot scummy targets and then let town guide him to his victory. If Parama refuses to listen to the town tomorrow, then we have Reck. If Reck dies, then we have lynches to deal with that. I'd rather have 4 day directed (because the town is in control for most of it) scum target turn overs, because it makes scum hunting in this game that much easier.

[DTMaster]

Also all Fantasy Players

did not claim their race

. Read: Vask Fantasy was a Job Class. Chaotic was his race. Delayer was his role.

[DTMaster]

Do note:

Dramonic, Human Mod, Day 1, after being defeated Day 1

Parama killed Dram. He can kill non-demonoids. Having this as a day kill is too big of an asset to town. Just like Recks.

[DTMaster]

Parama

if you don't kill demons, and use it like a normal day kill, I may let you live past the next day/night cycle

. Deal?

[DTMaster]

Spy spy, your race is not a Job Class.

[DTMaster]

I"M GOING TO WAIT FOR THE DRAMMY OWL BEFORE I START TO JUDGE THIS SITUATION FIRST.

@Fate
V.V;; You have a threat. He is in your alliance. He's also BI DAMNIT.

[DTMaster]

LOLZ IF RECK IS A SOUL KILLER THEN WE PROBABLY HAVE ONE OF EACH RACE

[DTMaster]

2 scum factions?

[DTMaster]

I want Kai to hammer Reck actually, to me this reads as 1 day scum 1 night scum.

Unvote, vote Reck

[DTMaster]

Chrono's role makes me LOLZ.

[DTMaster]

Godmother =/= neutral role.

[DTMaster]

FATE, PARAMA CLEANSED YOUR ALLIANCE OF SCUMZ. Can we get back on lynching correctly now?

[DTMaster]

Hold on, if you can shoot the defeated, does it mean the defeated can target us?

[DTMaster]

Unvote, Vote Kise

Kise wagon with Kai hammer = win win win.

[DTMaster]

The book reminds me of anti-cult measures for some reason.

[DTMaster]

That's a bit of a jump to assume an entire race will die if humans stop believing.

[DTMaster]

Plus my power to become a Lovestruck Townie isn't exciting, .

Dude, literal spears aren't attacking us. Pain =/= death.

@Fate
You single handedly lynched A scum yesterday, but that doesn't mean you're OTHER SCUM.

[DTMaster]

If you noticed, his win condition is Heroic and not Order

@Spy spy/Fate Fate
SP flipped

GOD MOTHER

. Not town.

[DTMaster]

We cleared Gandalf right? My heart says to aim my lasers and pew pew at him.

1. I'm scummy as hell? when did that happen?
2. Since when does Benmage and Fate have to be scum buddies.

There are two scumz, not one. Have you ever heard of scum on scum actions

It means:

scum can scum hunt, lol wut?

3. We can obviously test either claims with Kai.
4. Therefore it's not anti-profit. It's profit on your terms, with you being scumz and Benmage being scumz of different factions.

[DTMaster]

Lolz. This DTM-scum theory is out of the blue.

[DTMaster]

Lol k. But I tried to shoot Kai and it didn't work so meh. /jks.

[DTMaster]

Parama claims: Then Fate Posts these 2 things:

OH I FORGOT ABOUT KAI.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KISE

FUCKIN FINE WE'LL GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. ANY NIGHT VIG/SK WORTH THEIR SALT BETTER HAVE A BULLET UP PARAMA'S ASS TONIGHT THOUGH.

FATE:

Be my conscious for a minute.

Hypothetically, leaving Parama alive could mean pure awesomeness.
Sociopath, while a TERRIBLE shot, did flip scum. So I'm thinking on top of everything else he's probably telling the truth.
My heart wants his blood though.

WHAT SHOULD I DO?

Late response:
I hate Parama he's a damn moron and posted his role PM which included an awesome ass Ultimate for no fucking reason and he's a damn fool... BUT he's telling the truth.

And we have to use Kai's hammer REGARDLESS today and Kise is pretty obv from that whole debacle yesterday.

Does not compute.

[DTMaster]

My theory is scum cross killorz. :p

[DTMaster]

Um, if Faraday "protects you" that doesn't mean you're cleared. We just know Faraday died. Plus having the second scum faction means that: even if Faraday protected you and stopped a kill on Benmage last night, that still doesn't clear you from the other faction. >>;;

Edit: Lolwut? Elie, I expect a good CC to this informations.

[DTMaster]

EXE: Are you claiming Watcher? Just FYI, I just want to make sure you literally saw both Elie and Faraday targetting Ben

@Exe
Lies: Parama/Fate/Vesko posted PMs.

[DTMaster]

Oh edit: NVM, i thought you meant role claim PMs, with the train of thought I am on. NVM

[DTMaster]

V.V. Exe did you Track Elie then? Do claim properly, your claim makes no sense.

[DTMaster]

Then your claim is: Benmage did nothing. Faraday and Eli both targeted Benmage. Just making sure man.

[DTMaster]

When you claim results like this, and you're not full claiming results I get angry mister.

[DTMaster]

Exe full claim results please in a natural order. There be holes in it.

[DTMaster]

I'm asking you to full claim your result. As in all the people to targeted Benmage on what night/day cycle. As well who Benmage targeted. I'm not asking you to claim your role mister.

AS IN AREN'T YOU MISSING SOMEONE "COUGH"COUGH" BECAUSE I"M UNAWARE I"M UNTRACKABLE/WATCHABLE

[DTMaster]

No I'm asking because I'm doing a chart and require all the claimed actions from the people who chose to claim naos. With Exe being a tracker/watcher we can catch liars, etc, etc.

If you noticed, I'm asking him to full claim results. I'm not asking him to full claim. Nor am I pushing for his lynch.

[DTMaster]

We're gonna get lost for sure... Stay calm Shurelia...

Welcome to Cross Edge Bastard Hell,

DTMaster

. You are

Shurelia, Collected Reyvateil

. You are a delicate Reyvateil (magical songstress). While for the most part you are a smart person, your sense of direction is... yeah...

Race:

Fantasy

Faction:

Order

You are a

Fantasy Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Fantasy

- Being fantasy may or may not have an effect on the game.

Active Abilities:

Medifill

- Each night, you may heal someone. The target won't die, but it won't count as a failed kill in regard to possible effects. Don't think about it too much.

Ultimate:

Ultimate: Reyvateil Connection (One-Shot)

- You will discover who the other Reyvateils in the setup are.

Cost:

If any Reyvateil dies, so will you.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Order):

You win when all threats have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92&start=0

This is my role PM. I protected Kai last night actually with my Medifill. I haven't used my Ultimate yet, mainly because it'll make me into a lover towards a race.

[DTMaster]

I'll use my ultimate at Kai's command to name all the Rayvateil, and if all of us have the same ultimate, we can create a massive blood bath via lovers :[. :p

[DTMaster]

Ooba: Because the vote count was wrong? I pointed this before back in Disgaea Mafia Episode 1 for meta refrences.

[DTMaster]

Considering I'm going to die tonight (very likely), I'm going to activate my ultimate and become a lover.

[DTMaster]

I know that Auria and Misha are in the game, lame sauce on the ultimate. I would like Misha and Auria to claim pls so I can verify

[DTMaster]

Actually I just got new information about Auria, I can verify Misha's claim nao. Anyone who claims Misha now I can confirm.

[DTMaster]

Wait, Ythan's claim conflicts with Exe's claim. If Ythan Newsflashed Ben, why didn't Exe see this?

[DTMaster]

Unvote, Vote Strangercoug

[DTMaster]

I'll play by ze planz. More SC lynches plz.

[DTMaster]

Wow, so 2 kills were stopped N1. With 1 vig, 1 scum faction and maybee the echo, isn't there a kill missing (unless we assume Reck can both day and night kill). Unless both scum factions night kill (i'm assuming 1 day and 1 night scum faction)

[DTMaster]

Oh wait should I say 4 additional night kills were stopped?

[DTMaster]

I protected Kai N1. I judging by the ???? flip, he could have enabled another killer on the loose. I also notice that Reck was destroyed over being defeated right away.

If the ressurector can ressurect Spy spy it'll be awesome.

[DTMaster]

It makes sense considering Parama's sword is made for demons specifically.

[DTMaster]

With a game this larget my guess is 4 and 4 and multiple neutral scums (like SK, lynchers, etc for noise). But 6 kills in 1 night is bothering me unless we had a delay went through.

[DTMaster]

Or something of that nature

[DTMaster]

(Reason why: in Xylbot IRC mafia, a delayer can cause 2 kills. So a mafia delayer would delay his partner, effectively causing both NKs to occur in the next night cycle)

[DTMaster]

Except scum wouldn't shoot the doctor bomb. If they still had a role block they'd block me and kill off the rest of the investigation roles. V.V;;.

[DTMaster]

Actually the fact that scum didn't block the doctor and didn't choose to shoot Exe shows a lack of blocking, or a lack of coordination within scum.

[DTMaster]

Well then that changes a lot, and makes me rigged unless scum is willing to sacrafice for a doc. Therefore a block is possible. I'll wait for claims to assess if we can keep the chain alive.

[DTMaster]

@Kai
With so many dead scum,

scum wouldn't kill me, even though I have doctor powers

. There's a thing called winning, and scum would have to deal with endgaming me rather then killing me. Since all targets (according to The Longing) would blow themselves up on me. The only person who would kill me and survive would be the existence of a bullet proof role. aka red scum.

In this situation

its more effective to block the investigators/redirect the investigators

as scum, and shoot the rest. Hence why I am waiting for

Exe Claim on results

, which FYI: Exe didn't claim his tracking watching results.

[DTMaster]

Also Kai, a 3 and 3 scum team is ridiculous claim unless we know for sure that we can still action when defeated. With a 6 (or 5) kill turn over (after mulling it over, since SC was lynched I guess that the day wait makes it possible that this is a 5 kill turn over, rather then 6 since he went from defeated -> destroyed) shows 4 and 4. With such a heavy town power house, a 3 and 3 scum team is really, really retardly weak unless they have super awesome powers of killing.

Also gais, someone resurrect Spy spy nao

What I want to see is:
a. Parama shoots.
b. The ressurector who last day resurrected Faraday should resurrect someone again.
c. Kai hammer test.
d. Exe watch/track result.
e. Benmage's ability watch thingy result
f. I think I missing a few things

[DTMaster]

I just realized, Kai's hammer mechanic also confirms Parama to a degree. It'll make sense that Kai's hammer confirms Order, but not necessarily anti-town factions (see Heroic win con).

[DTMaster]

Oh, lol. Well then that helps.

[DTMaster]

V.V; I know you are confirmed. I'm trying to see how 3/3/1/1/1 fits with 5 (6 if you count SC) kills. Mainly the game is already on lock down mode. Hence my list of claims and actions: because we can finish the game with all of this and the network of actions from Exe, Parama, I, TL, you, etc.

Also I have a plan that can confirm Manho

[DTMaster]

Manho I want to ask: can you use your ultimate on 2 players at any time?

[DTMaster]

Finally: This has been slightly bugging me

But last day at Lynch count, SC flipped pink as Jester Powered Win Cop

But now he's red, win cop.

Mod was this an error in last day's lynch flip, or was this done on purpose

[DTMaster]

Kise, TL used his ability in a pro town manner, despite the action in itself as potentially antitown >>;;

[DTMaster]

I play by my rules, let's get wild!

Welcome to Cross Edge Bastard Hell, Manho. You are Lazarus, Free Spirit. You are a highly skilled gunman and a defender of freedom. You do what you want when you want, even if it's against orders. You're doomed to disappear anyways, let's make it wild before!

Race: Soul
Faction: Free Spirit

You are a Soul Free Spirit Complusive Commuter. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:
Pure Soul - Being born from this world, you do not possess a real body. As such, actions that would target your body will fail, but actions that would only affected defeated players will work on you even while you are alive.
Compulsive - You must use roam at every possible occasion

Active Abilities:
Roam - You may, once every two nights, go on a wild adventure. During this time you are untargettable.

Ultimate:
Ultimate: Trek (One-shot) - Once during the game, you may target two players and take them on a trek, making all of them untargettable (but unable to use actions). The targets' actions on you will have no effect, until the end of the game.
Cost: None

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Free Spirit): You win if you survive to the end of the game.

Please confirm via return PM.

[DTMaster]

Ultimate: Trek (One-shot) - Once during the game, you may target two players and take them on a trek, making all of them untargettable (but unable to use actions). The targets' actions on you will have no effect, until the end of the game.

For more dramatic effect (pun intended)

[DTMaster]

.. Manho just retracted on his claim like twice in one page. Any soul destroyers can kill him pls k thanks.

[DTMaster]

Kai has control of the hammer powers. He should decide.

[DTMaster]

I could use my ulrti and confirm myself via lovers death at any time if you want.

[DTMaster]

Also Manhole should be hung. Because my ultimate (as claimed in my PM) is usable at any time. Manhole's PM claims similarity, but he's changing the details of how it can be used.

My original plan was to use my ultimate, announce who my lover connections are, and have Manhole protect them via his trek. This would confirm his ability, and force scum to kill the survivor (outing the soul killer as scum). The only down side is if there are 3 Raventails or more in the game.

[DTMaster]

If scum doesn't have a soul killer, then Manho is fine :p, protecting his role as survivor and not playing against his win-con.

[DTMaster]

I've asked and my ultimate works as a sane cop investigation as well.

[DTMaster]

I was hoping someone wasn't paying attention. Because I used the ultimate already, I know that it is also acts as a sane cop investigation. Gandalf can confirm himself as

Aurcia

, and I know that he is Order since it was given in addition to my ultimate use (which I confirm Kai's powers for any non believers) because it was given as a result.

If Gandalf dies in any way, I die because I fail to protect the Revantails, as per condition of my ultimate, hence I can be killed if Gandalf dies.

Hence why I want Manho to use his treck on him. For the second player I would like The Longing to be treked, since he is very likely townie.

The last bit of information is:

Misha is not in the game.

I assume scum were given fake claims, and who ever has the Misha fake claim is going to be very apparent if we mass name claim.

[DTMaster]

I asked Manho on his ultimate because mine is worded simillarly:

Ultimate: Trek (One-shot) - Once during the game, you may target two players and take them on a trek, making all of them untargettable (but unable to use actions). The targets' actions on you will have no effect, until the end of the game.

Ultimate: Reyvateil Connection (One-Shot) - You will discover who the other Reyvateils in the setup are.

I can use mine at any time. But Manho's ultimate makes no mention of any restriction on any night/day phase. Hence why I am not convinced that Manho's PM is real.

[DTMaster]

Nor do I believe the clarifications from the mod are real.

[DTMaster]

The day killer is purple scum. The fact that this was a cross kill is super evident.

[DTMaster]

Kai, paranoia is evident. I'm still just role confirmed not alignment confirmed. The fact that I layed out a commute plan that involved Gandalf and TL to be untargetable from Manho, confirm Manho, and a kill shot occurred on him also makes TL super duper townie.

[DTMaster]

The last human is the one in charge of the Fantasy race, given that 2 workships went down at once.

[DTMaster]

3 humans, 2 claimed to stop believing. 2 spears were thrust into our bodies (well we felt pain equivalent to 2 spears) and a 3rd one would be bad. Hence the last human who's believing in us has the Fantasy race in his hands.

[DTMaster]

Nope. It just says vaguely that a "3rd spear" would be bad. Ideally I don't want to test this out unless we have reason to believe most of the scum is still fantasy,

[DTMaster]

Wait, what did Nikanor claim about Souls again?

[DTMaster]

Yes, I am of the race Soul with the intrinsic Pure Soul. My body cannot be targeted by actions, since I have none. I can still be targeted by abilities that would normally only affect defeated people.

Pure Soul - Being born from this world, you do not possess a real body. As such, actions that would target your body will fail, but actions that would only affected defeated players will work on you even while you are alive.

Pure Soul - Being born from this world, you do not possess a real body. As such, actions that would only affected defeated players will work on you even while you are alive.

Interesting. Any more soul claims to back Manho or Benmage. Because we might have caught 2 scum. Or 1 scum.

[DTMaster]

There was one more Soul claim who gets bored a lot. Who claimed again

[DTMaster]

Pure Soul - Being born from this world, you do not possess a real body. As such, actions that would only affected defeated players will work on you even while you are alive.

Which makes sense for Manho to be fake claiming. But please confirm if you are action immune Benmage because Nikanor claimed action immune unless: it means that you go straight to destroyed and Nikanor over thought his intrinsic ability.

[DTMaster]

Exe didn't confirm anything, other then claim actions that were performed before he full claimed his results.

[DTMaster]

@Benmage: Please show us your ultimate. I'm looking for anything that will incontrovertibly confirm you town. Also, it's possible that you targetting Exe with your ability allowed Exe to stalk you through your Pure Soul passive (though it could have been another mod error).

This would also explain why Ythan's News Flash didn't affect you.

The reason is:

we have a massive contraction here

unless we have blockers out and about. Hence why i want Exe to claim results.

@Kai
Why can't Exe be scum fake claiming again?

[DTMaster]

Also: when I read the Pure Soul Intrinsic

it reads as Manho fitting in with what Nikanor said, over what the pure soul intrinsic actually said

. I don't see how scum souls wouldn't be pure enough to be untargetable. That's too big of as stretch.

Edit:
Before we go on a tangent:

we should confirm if Pure soul = action immune

before anything else.

And Tracker =/= Town (Order) Tracker/Watcher.

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When you stop and reread it: It reads as

Being born from this world, you do not possess a real body.

As such, actions that would only affected defeated players will work on you even while you are alive.

There are 2 actions: Ones that work on alive people. One that only work on defeated people. It doesn't read as untargetability.

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Such as kills that only effect Defeated People (Like Reck)

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Or last night cycle where we had an unknown day killer kill defeated people (Manho was destroyed because he was a soul)

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Which makes sense because you are alive

as in Still Roaming

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Meaning you're not action immune. The last part reads as a clause saying additional actions that normally don't effect people in the "still roaming" column will affect souls.

Finally Manho and SC confirms something: there is no fake claiming happening since they obviously fabricated their own PMs.

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Dude. Reread the first page. We have:

Alive, Defeated, Destroyed. This is simillar to Tar's Graveyard setup.

Such as: Alive, Graveyard, Dead.

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Which means Exe is still confirmed (no Paranoia here), and makes sense of the Soul, except Ythan's ability failed. Now if we can figure out why, then it'll explain a few things.

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Or ignore it and move on and still finish confirming people.lynching unknowns.

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In theory, that means Parama's kill would put a Soul in defeated I think. Or a Lynch would put a Soul in defeated.

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Actually this was done, nvm

Chronopie, Judas the Soul Chaotic Self-Watcher, Day 2, after being defeated Night 1

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Oh ok. Then MC Timez.

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Everyone who's attacking Parama right now gains dummy
points because all day we were calling for Anons death and you just now oppose it. fail longing and ooba

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How about all unconfirmed MC and confirmed can claim if they want to.

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Kai is the only one driving for a claim. everyone else is riding the coattails.

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Faraday doesn't really count since we know what his role is.

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Eli, TL is probably Order but is unconfirmed. Your ulti can reduce the amount of Unconfirmed people and reduce the white noise.

Gandalf already can't resurrect someone since he already did and has a 4 day cool down. Considering with revive mechanics being obvious, Elie

is not the correct lynch today if Spy can't be revived, beacause Eli will die tomorrow if Spy isn't revived

Also. EXE DID NOT CLAIM RESULTS. WHY HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY AND ITS NOW WAITING TIME. In the 2 days from Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:03 pm that Exe took to pack for Japan, he's on the plane right now. So he offically V/LA without announcing his results, yay for an indeterminate amount of time.

Dram please prod Exe and see if we can replace him if Exe can continue to gain internet access on his trip. Give a 2-3 day threshold to allow him to adjust to time zones, etc, etc because my feeling is his trip will be more important then the game and it'll end up in replacement already.

People, read the claims again. Gandalf cannot resurrect again.

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BTW: Kai, why did you know that KMD was bullet proof?

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Wait, durh, retract that question. Shooting Anon shouldn't work because he's not in the game.

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I want Eli to confirm someone via his ulti. I'll see if we have a scummy Fantasy claim and I want a second vig to go off.

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Ultimate: Life Shower (Active) - You may resurrect a defeated player.

Cost: You lose your abilities for 4 phases

I"m telling Eli to kill and ressurect spy. Therefore kill a unconfirmed Fantasy claim

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GAndalf cannot ressurect until tomorrow if he ressurected yesterday (2 day phases, 2 night phases = 2 full game days later) = Gandalf cannot resurrect again to save Eli

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Ooba why didn't you use your haunt?

Love Haunt - Being a demon, you may haunt a person each night once you are defeated.

Your haunting is that you block all attempts of targetting on your victim with love speeches.

Say like using it on Kai.

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Infact did you Haunt protect someone? I have an Idea that can confirm Ooba with Parama

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Parama kill ooba now. He is purple scum.

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Ooba you are a 1 shot kill proof, PGO, doctor and you didn't protect. Kill the scum.

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Hmm originally I wanted to confirm you via Parama's book ability. But I realized that excorsism by the book kills you, which wouldn't help. Had it just dispelled the haunt it would have confirmed your role and pro-town nature (depending on the target).

We have a ton of BP roles, but a lack of claims saying their BPs where removed.

Since Eli is going to die, he'll be confirmed by tomorrow's night cycle.

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Oh sorry. Eli was targetted. Durh.

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Unless Spy stays defeated, he'll be destroyed. A destroyed Spy causes Eli to lose and be removed from game. Thus they prevent Gandalf resurrecting awesome Spy, and get Eli removed from game. So 2 destroyed players for the price of 1.

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Wait, I just realized in the MC we have a confirmed Order Player from Ythan.

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Who hasn't claimed yet?

@Kai
Because in Battle Mage Mafia, and other mafia games: people who fail to fulfill their win con are removed from games. I'm assuming this from that experience and when Cirneo failed to lynch Vi in Battle Mage mafia D1, thus was auto lossed.

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You know what's scary. S_B might be confirmed Order due to Ythan. Unless Dram was a bastard and made Ythan's ultimate a 0% ultimate.

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Or made Ythan's ultimate explode a scum player.

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Ultimate: Prinny Raid (One-Shot) -

You may throw Prinny at someone. Everyone targetting that person during the night will die a painful and explosive death (doc protections still apply though). The only way this action can fail is if you try to throw Prinny at himself.

Cost: Upon being thrown, Prinny's explode. This one is no exception. He is therefore destroyed and removed from the game. (No, I won't tell you who Prinny is)

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Except Prinny dies when thrown.

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If you were scum and Prinny, and would die since a person threw you, wouldn't you kill X person?

I'm using empathy: and scum motive from scum-Prinny would mean shooting Ythan. But there is BC noise here.

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I'm a bit confused. Is Ooba's Angelic power kind of weird?

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Why does it say he counts as a demon in terms of win con? At first I under stood it to be that Ooba counts as both Fantasy and Demon in terms of race ( which Ooba failed to bread crumb spears). To prove Ooba's fantasy nature I ask where did the spears hit us ( in the PM dram said specifally where we felt the pain), so answer the question.

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WAit. Why did Eli initially target benmage then change his target with a role like that?

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Umm I want you to kill unconfirms and I want you alive to do it.?and Oobas claim doesn't fit unless he can answer the question. You can kill me through Gandalf or target me. or you can hammer confirm me via Kai . I already told you my lovers connection. if you think Im scum then TL is bluffing and you should have shot me. Jut used an unconfirmed day actioner to target me and confirm or condemn me.

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Is it possible to have a death miller in SP?

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Scratch that, godmother makes zero sense as a death millierized role.

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I'm wondering if there is a Mafia Screw Ball at the moment. Just because the numbers and frequency of scum flips remind me of Battle Mage Mafia.

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Spy = destroy = confirm Eli. It's more efficient that way.

Kai why have you ignored lots of meta games, even from games you've been in where this happened. Mindscrew had auto-win leaving game mechanics. Why is an auto-lose game leaving mechanic so farfetched for you?

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Wait

???, Whim the Fantasy Enabler-Killstopper, Night 2

Eli, you could jail keep 1 night. Did you jail keep Spy spy both nights?

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Faraday claimed to try and Kill Xite (the Zombie that just flipped) but it failed. N1
Kathy got a result on Xite/Lynchme (As the spirit). N1
Fate was able to day-kill the "Spirit" (who flipped zombie). D5
We had a role cop on the spirit as a zombie. N4

Something is off.

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Oops wrong game.

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Doesn't that mean there is a demon in red scum? Unless a scum faction has the ability to do multiple kills.

This also puts into question Exe's claim right now because we have 2 trackers.
This puts into question also Ooba.

There are only 2 claimed demons (aside from unclaimed Exe). I'm tempted to ask S_B to use her ulti on someone.

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S_B, if there are 2 more demon scum, then it's between Ooba, S_B, Exe. Something doesn't fit if you're town. Infact, Ooba, where did you pull 3 demon/pleasure scum from?

Kai, you're going into confirmation bias. What I want to do is to have S_B hammer confirmed or Exe hammer confirmed. Preferably the former.

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@Kise
If there is only one Baku, it begs the question, if this is true: why did Eli not claim reflecting powers.

@Kai
Kai, we are testing S_B. With a massive information load from her claim, we absolutely need to confirm if this is true or not. The information from a town-S_B is staggering. Scum_S_b just = she is lying or if she does flip true to her role, then we caught lucky scum.

@Ooba

No, we should hammer confirm S_B. If S_B is a death tracker, that means we shouldn't use her ultimate yet because her tracking is very very valuable since she claimed last in the MC. Scum wouldn't have anticipate a race tracker if she is true claiming and town because of this. We know scum doesn't have fake claims evidence by both SC and Manho

S_B late game is the best thing to happen because scum wouldn't have a reason to fake claim their race. We know race is independant of allignment.

Thus if we confirm S_B, the game has 2 sources of information. Kai from the day. S_B at night. We win dude. That means Faraday shouldn't protect Gandalf and should protect S_B or Kai.

@Mod
Can we get an Exe replacement since he's in Japan and hasn't posted from Japan?

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Wait. What. Exe posted. Nevermind. Exe you tracked Kai correct? That means Kai didn't use abilities? Why are you beating around the bush on who hasn't used abilities in your claim.

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The fact Ooba wants S_B dead over confirmationed spells scum to me. Tomorrow I want Parama to shoot Ooba.

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Anyone suggesting that you don't

hammer confirm the information PR claim is scummy and should be auto shot.

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Umm. Ythan was town. The Prinny killer acts as both a

Vig and a kill on Exe which would have confirmed the target and Exe,

I think the person who can throw prinny (wasn't it thelonging? i can't remember anymore...claims are hard to find...) should be blocked/killed. Because I am prinny, and we don't need two deaths, potentially town.
I expect parama to kill me like an idiot the next day like an idiot after I claim, but oh well.

This is hella scummy because Exe is confirmed

Tracker

. He is not confirmed Order. Dram mod confirmed his role, not his alignment. For someone who didn't read enough to understand Ythan could kill him this quote is a massive active lurking slip

I didn't want to claim because there are like 3 people here who want my role dead and/or can fuck with the game via my role.

Which means Exe has been keeping tabs on who'd kill him (see females and players who's advocating that he is not confirmed).

Remember, just like Exe, I am likely to be role confirmed.

But I am not alignment confirmed.

. Even if I claimed lovers connection to Gandalf, and claimed his role title and confirmed his alignment and Kai's power, that doesn't make me confirmed at any point in time.

Same Analogy.

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And we do have a counter claim of Trackers, from S_B and Exe. We don't have a Prinny counter claim.

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I don't like it, we don't have any claimed destroyers, which is expected from the Manho flip. That means if any more demons flip scum, they'll be able to haunt us and still participate in the game they can destroy people.

Let me test something

Unvote, Vote KMD

, We might need to lynch in 2 cycles if Parama dies.

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Which is why I want Exe to claim his result.

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Exe you are stalling on who you stalked, and why. Even if you had no result, you're supposed to say: I have no result from X person, which is valuable. Like me, not protecting you last night and protecting Kai because I thought it was WIFOM would stop kills from occurring on you.

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OMG A LACK OF A RESULT IS STILL A RESULT. CLAIM YOUR TARGET AND WHY

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IDIOT YOU CAN KILL CLEAR PEOPLE IF PEOPLE DON"T ACTION. IF YOU WITHHOLD THAT INFORMATION YOU ARE BEING SUPER DENSE AS THE TRACKER

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If you die, then I want a fail safe way to kill demons that are defeated. You = biggest threat to scum demons.

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I lied because I wanted to see if you were seriously being that dense, (as in saying that no result = useless result). I followed through with the plan last night. Had you claimed you saw me protect Kai, I'd know instantly you were lying.

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We didn't know that detail. Plus its more strategical for Exe to stalk Kai to scare away scum from being caught. In order for the trap to have be twarted last night, a RB on Exe and a kill on Kai would have stripped town of it's day confirm power. Now that I think about it, it's very possible that even though Scum could have a role blocker, it doesn't mean they can use it because they don't have the conditions to do it (see Haunt).

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Doesn't that mean you could technically revive the Whim, and let Eli revive Spy lol. Except you can't I guess.

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Due to the time cycles and etc.

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In theory, Elie could technically be permeability bullet proof if we had multiple revivers lols.

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EBWOP: Permanently. If he had "permeability", things would pass through him >>;;

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I'm not, which is why I'm voting KMD and waiting for the next vote count. I realized that every day, we had someone clear the defeated bodies (the active abilities). I went back and looked because I thought some of the bodies went from defeated -> destroyed going from day 1 -> day 2 cycle. But I got my facts mixed up.

I'm probably thinking it's like Legacy of the Ancients where bodies decayed from the graveyard after a while.

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S_B, aren't you missing a few results from Day 2?

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I'm tired, retract that question. I reread Dram's post to your claim and it answered itself.

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Gonna prod the mod.

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I've been pestering Dram over MSN, but he's been away/signing offline. I'm tempted to do an unofficial VC to see where we are at in case someone just hammered.

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Awesome I can lynch KMD in the grave if necessary. Hammer confirm S_B time.

Unvote, vote Snow_Bunneh

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Or we can destroy Spy and confirm Eli by auto losing him. Since my vote on KMD went through, it stands to reason that Parama's kill can go through. I believe that defeated people go to the destroyed pile after some time (see Graveyard mechanic). Normally a lynch all 3rd party claim is good game play

but Eli's alignment can be tested else where

Do tell me the downsides of not, seeing what happens if Spy gets destroyed. If SB is town (Evidence by the hammer confirm), we can assume SC to not be targeted.

N1:
Chronopie and Faraday were both felled by demons.

N2:
Etna was killed by a demon
Demitri was killed by a fantasy
Raze was killed by a demon
The Dark Baku was killed by a baku
Whim was killed by a baku

???, Whim the Fantasy Enabler-Killstopper, was defeated Night 2
SpyreX, Raze the Fantasy Calm Echo, was defeated Night 2
BloodCovenent, Demitri the Demon Overeager Vigilante, was defeated Night 2
Ythan, Etna the Demon Reporter, was defeated Night 2

StrangerCoug, Ayatane the Fantasy Chaotic Wincop, was destroyed Night 2
xRECKONERx, The Dark Baku the Baku Evolving Serial Killer, was destroyed Night 2

Barring insane GF mechanics, like literally, insane bastard level GF mechanics, SB town means no body shot SC last night when he was defeated. Yes, SC was defeated first:

StrangerCoug, Ayatane the Fantasy Even-Day Jester-Powered Wincop of All Postmortem Trades, has been lynched and is thus defeated!

Bodies probably have an expiration time. The only issue though comes from this flip:

VezokPiraka, Reicher the Fantasy Chaotic Delayer, has been lynched and is thus defeated.

The next day, only

[quote="Dram"The nights are restless here. The environmental noises barely cover the sound of the cries that tear through the night, as bodies fall left and right

Faraday, Vivi the Soul Bodyguard Neighbor, was defeated night 1
Chronopie, Judas the Soul Chaotic Self-Watcher, was defeated night 1[/quote]

Showed up. Unless we have an untrackable killer, there are two conflicting sets of data. But my gut says bodies do expire, and a destroyed Spy can confirm Eli. The lynch can be used elsewhere. (From Legacy of the Ancients)

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Of course if S_B is scum and the lynch went through the above is moot.

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TL. If Gandalf dies and I don't, then I'm obviously not. At anytime someone can self destruct me. Heck we can have Exe turn on his ultimate and watch me tonight if you don't believe me (making Exe bullet proof from the explosion) and confirming my alignment.

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Actually if you are true claiming, that might be a good idea since it'll make night really really really, really fast and we can end night before night actions can be completed (ie NKs).

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Scum wouldn't target me. With so many dead, they're on survival mode unless scum can work around the bomb. In fact scum would rather use a redirector/busser over actively targeting me. Stop thinking scum would out right target me. It spells instant death for scum, and that's not how they would want to win even though I'm the juicy doctor. I claimed my lover's connection so Gandalf is how they would go about killing me.

Remember my spiel about not confirmed, well buddy I'm not confirmed. I'm telling you how to confirm me, and that's by having Exe blowing myself and dodging the explosion. If at any time

you think I'm scum, do that

. If at any time you want confirmation of me, kill Gandalf. This game is on lock down mode and I'm not concerned about what order or who we confirm. We are killing unconfirmed. If we can confirm someone through other means, then it's better play. It saves a lynch, and we can get rid of more unconfirmed people that way.

In case of super bastardly roles that negate Kai's powers, and the claimed trackers, then we hammer confirm to make sure they are on our side and protect them.

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I'm almost tempted to lynch KMD because he could be brought back (a mafia reviver/ressurector wouldn't be such a stretch with mechanics like this)

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I do kinda want to link to a newbie game where scum claimed cop with a town result on town, only to be counter claimed and lynched. The idea isn't that farfetched.