Cross Edge Bastard Mod! (Game Over!)

[ooba]

Vote: dramonic

If the mod turns up scum, Parama is a possible scumbuddy

[ooba]

Vote: dramonic

Let's see where this goes.

Wait.

Hold the phone.

Are you saying that dramonic and kyle99 are the same person?

I didn't think so. Well, then:

unvote

Vote: gandalf

Post 1: NS votes dram. "Let's see where this goes." implies he wants to see what happens when the mod is lynched.
Post 2: He asks if dram and kyle are the same person.
Post 3: He unvotes because they are not.

Therefore, he votes for reason X. Then unvotes for some other unrelated reason.

Unvote. Vote: NS

[ooba]

ebwop: Better phrased as
- I am voting dram because of A.
- Hey, is B true?
- Unvote because B is not true.

A has nothing to do with B.

[ooba]

Why am I self-voting? VOTE: Ooba for coming up with a semi-serious reason to vote.

I spotted something odd and decided it was vote worthy - I was serious about it.
Would like to point out that
a) NS switched his vote to you in the posts I mentioned. Maybe the reason he unvoted strangely was because he wanted to make a RVS vote on you.
b) You (semi-seriously?) attack me when I post a case on NS
NS scum -> gandalf scum

[ooba]

Wow that was fast ..

[ooba]

Kinda late, I think Kai hammered. He said he would Hammer. Plus I think we caught Kise and Vezoki scumz.

Why is it scummy? Kai asked them to unvote?

[ooba]

Exe reads like newb-town\alt-town to me.

NS
- Still hasn't said anything about what I posted
- Has made only random comments so far - play similar to Picto-Mafia II where he posted a bunch of random images and got the win

DTM, what are you talking about? Kai hammered - hammer vote didn't work - hence confirmed. If your theory is that Kai is a voteless townie to start out with, you can confirm that on day two.

Preview: I guess the 24-23 shift confirms it too.

[ooba]

Exe, read the thread - Kai clearly says his ability is

once per day.

(It would be pretty overpowered otherwise as we can confirm alignment of all the others in the game on D1).

Vezo: That would be a waste of a lynch. Until you get info to the contrary (i.e Gandalf flipping Non-order), we should concentrate on others. What ya think of NS btw?

[ooba]

HOLD ON. RECK YOU SHOT NIKANOR ON PAGE 6 BUT YOU VOTEZ HIM ON PAGE 8 WTF MAN WTF

[ooba]

Compared to the last game I was with Vezo, I am actually impressed by his play here so far.
Its ongoing so I can't link it..

[ooba]

I support a full claim from Benmage.

[ooba]

- Stop spamming. (A page about a card game in a game with already 28 pages *sheesh*)
- If you have to respond to multiple people, do not make it a single post for each one. Club em together.

I'm thinking that Fate's ultimate set up town vs town but w\e.

Vote: Vez

Ben needs to be vigged.

[ooba]

*** drumroll ***

Race: Demon

[ooba]

I PREDICT AROUND ZERO MORE DEMON CLAIMS.

Lol

[ooba]

Here's what I have so far:

SC day-time wincop
- Benamge win with town
- Faraday win with town

Kaiyruu lynch-time alignment cop
- gandalf is town

Benmage
- investigated fate - scum

Parama
- In-thread day-killer who needs to kill demons

Reck
- Soul or defeated killer

exe
- All ladies know he's targeting them

Please keep parama alive - two lynches per day is very useful. (The fact that he needs to kill me can be taken care of later). I'll need to re-read Kise..

Btw given the claims, would kairyuu skill on fate be a better choice?

[ooba]

SC says Ben wins with the town
Ben says Fate is scum

Why are we using Kai's skill on Kise again?

(Forgive me, I'm stupid)

[ooba]

[quote="Fate"]The fuck? I literally single-handedly lynched scum yesterday. You're welcome.[quote]
Well we've already had a red and purple scum group - yellow's still left

Given the claims, (and yours also didnt have miller or anything), I would like to use Kai's skill on you.

[ooba]

Oh i'm no cop

Lol , what?

[ooba]

oh... right...

Hmm .. I did have a town read on Fate ..

Ben goes into the "Blaze" town category - if he's scum, I'd see no reason why he claim guilty and then tell us the truth today. Scum could have easily claimed a innocent on someone. Even if we had lynched Fate on his word and he flipped town, Ben could have said "Bastard game!"

exe reactions make him town .. (plus above I think)

Preview: Kairyuu on elli then

Unvote. Vote: elli

[ooba]

DTM, did you just commit the ""I-dont-want-to-semi-clear-townies-because-that-makes-my-life-tougher" tell?

I mean, you did see the mod's post right??

[ooba]

I retract my previous post.

Unvote

I now support
a) exe claiming how exactly his ability works - when he saw each of the people targeting Ben
b) giving dram another chance to fix anything

[ooba]

exe, so if I am correct
You targeted ben on D1 for stalk
- which tells you who he targets (I agree it is worded like an ability watcher)
- who targets him

Faraday targeted Ben on N1
SC targeted Ben on D2

Ben targeted you on D2

Am I right?

[ooba]

exe, so if I am correct
You targeted ben on D1 for stalk
- which tells you who he targets (I agree it is worded like an ability watcher)
- who targets him

Faraday targeted Ben on N1
SC targeted Ben on D2

Ben targeted you on D2

Am I right?

Yes.

If I've read the signs right, DTM might have something so say about that.

[ooba]

<<
>>
There's still a lot going on that isn't fucked up

<3 dram
With complex roles, very easy to get confused.

Oh exe, i just got a night result that says your stalking me...soooo it wont be subtle me thinks.

? You got a PM in the night saying exe is stalking you?

[ooba]

Why's inhim in the confirmed list? (Couldn't find anything special in the ISO)

Unvote. Vote: BC

[ooba]

GoGoGo...

L-1 anybody who votes BC after this except Kaiyruu gets auto-lynched

[ooba]

unvote, vote: BC

Does that count?

Not unless you left out double-voter in your claim...

[ooba]

It was a joke. I voted BC after you told me not to, I must be getting auto-lynched!
Oh wait, except I was already voting him. That's the joke. <_<

I thought my reply showed that I understood the joke and knew you had voted?
Anyway I do not think we should post more and risk the warning to go unnoticed ..

L-1 anybody who votes BC after this (and hasn't already done so ) except Kaiyruu gets auto-lynched

[ooba]

Unvote

[ooba]

Did scum ISOs. Chrono has given me no reads.

BC might flip purple.

SpyreX is not purple.
TheLonging is not purple.
Kise is not scum with Vezo.

Snow_Bunny
DTM
manho
TheLonging
Kise
Anon
Ythan

Votecount 5: Ending 0.1

VezokPiraka (13): Fate, Ellibereth, xRECKONERx, TheLonging, StrangerCoug, Parama, Exe, gandalf, SpyreX, Kise, BloodCovenent, Benmage, Ooba

Not Voting (10):Sociopath, VezokPiraka, IHSIB, Ythan, Snow_Bunny, Chronopie, DTMaster, manho, Faraday, Anon, Kairyuu

VezokPiraka is lynched as of post 694

TheLonging was on the vezo wagon. Add this with the read of not purple, I'd move TheLonging to last of this scum list.

Kise is not red – based on vezo’s voting patterns – all other of vezo's votes are confirmed town. (Plus on vezo's wagon but was a late vote). Can't say on the other because there is nothing on Socio.

NS – nothing for or against a red\purple read. My earlier point still stands.

SB, Anon – ???

Manho – Only ISO 12 about vezo which is neutral for me. Nil on purple.

DTM actually voted vezo before Gandalf – the mod missed it.
“Mod you missed my vote on Vask, so you didn't count me for some reason >> “ – DTM why did you feel the need to point this out?

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So I'd rather avoid Kise and TheLonging if we get another lynch today. Waiting on DTM's reply before I make up my mind on him.
Would be the happiest with a NS(Ythan) lynch.

[ooba]

ooba: So I don't get it. You think I'm town or scum?

Town. I'll let you know if future flips and reads change anything.

[ooba]

ISO Fate. You'll know why Inhim is confirmed.
Also, I would prefer Ythan over SB.

Unvote. Vote: Ythan

[ooba]

Parama's "To-be-killed eventually" list:
ooba
BC
Ythan

kthx I'm happy you guys are claiming for me though.
And I am not "essentially neutral" because I win with the town, unlike manho.
On a side note, I've never seen grey used as a survivor color, but lol mod-WIFOM.

You do remember your promise to the town right?
Off the top of my head, Wheel of time Mafia had grey survivors if I am right ..

I'm going to meditate on why Ythan delayed his roleclaim.

[ooba]

Inhim is a double mod confirmed role? Lol ...

[ooba]

><

Let's make this quick and painless.

Vote: StrangerCoug

Unvote. Vote: StrangerCoug

For what its worth, you were playing really well until that point - Being confirmed and all ..

[ooba]

Making sense of this one-step at a time ...

Chronopie, Judas the Soul Chaotic Self-Watcher, was defeated night 1 -> BC's kill
Hence BC's vig defeats instead of destroying his targets. Therefore SypreX or Ythan (I'm ignoring BC himself and the ???)
"Why haven't you used news flash yet Ythan?" implies Ythan suspicion
Hence BC killed Ythan.
(with the caveat that there's the possibility he did not kill in the night and converted someone to vampire)

Parama, did ya use your ultimate yesterday?

Tired now - will get back in the morning ...

[ooba]

Kairyuu
Gandalf5166 -> confirmed by Kairyuu D1
Parama -> Town with demon issues
Inhimshallibe -> Double confirmed town

DTMaster
- I initially had problems with him pointing out to the mod that he had also voted vezo. However he has meta backup of doing this before as town.

Benmage
Kise -> Not red scum
Faraday
- My general rule of thumb wrt neighbours is that given other lynch choices and the neighbours do not want to lynch each other - you're better off concentrating on the others. Faraday is confirmed town and I'll follow his fellow neighbour judgment in this regard.

Exe
Fate
TheLonging
- These three fall into my town reads made on D2

Manho -> Had some problems with this claim when reading through in the night, forgot what it was now. Please take a look at him on D4 - do not trust him just because of the survivor claim.

My suggested plan for today

Anon -> Should be shot by Parama.
Ellibereth -> Should be hammer confirmed by Kaiyruu. It'll be good clearing up the mod-wifom wrt exe's results.
Snow_Buddy -> If Eli is confirmed by Kairyuu, she should be lynched

[ooba]

OH GOD SCUM I LOVE YOU
Okay who should I shoot

Also Demons should't be morons and haunt because I can destroy them if they do.kthx

Anon.

(Btw BC killed Ythan so you should thank him too)

Looks like we're on track with the plan...

Unvote. Vote: eli

[ooba]

Kai has control of the hammer powers. He should decide.

I don't think he'll disagree. Who do you think are better targets? (Maybe me perhaps )

[ooba]

I've asked and my ultimate works as a sane cop investigation as well.

Good to know

I could use my ulrti and confirm myself via lovers death at any time if you want.

Dude we've talked about this - stick to the plan. You've got to stop being so over defensive. I for one do not think you're red or purple scum.
Agree with your points on manho - in fact I think manho would be a much better lynch than Snow_Bunny today (assuming elli lynch does not end the day).

[ooba]

@Parama: Benmage is also a legitimate shot.

I'm putting my vote against a Benmage shot. An anon shot is best.

[ooba]

KMD, claim please.

[ooba]

OK I have access again

Exorcism by the Blade: Anon

brb

I don't think this counts...

TL, that looks like a feigned over-reaction..

[ooba]

Everyone who's attacking Parama right now gains dummy
points because all day we were calling for Anons death and you just now oppose it. fail longing and ooba

Show me the post where I attack Parama. You're the one who gains dummy points

Well, honestly, I had no idea
- Why Kairyuu had to point out DTMs apparent contradiction. It was quite clear to me he wanted to avoid mentioning that he already used his ultimate and can die via the lover condition.
- Why DTM out'd gandalf when gandalf was already confirmed. I mean you could have just stopped with saying Aurica is confirmed and Misha is not.

That said, I think everyone except Inhim should full claim now since it might catch scum. (seems to be a lack of fakeclaims this game)

[ooba]

ooba is definitely ignoring us. He just made a couple posts elsewhere. Can I talk about ongoing games I'm not apart of?

You cant - But I'm here...

[ooba]

Let the Power of Love bring you courage!

Welcome to Cross Edge Bastard Hell,

Ooba

. You are

Flonne, Fallen Angel

. In theory you're a demon, but you used to live in heaven, so you're somewhat special. For sure you were dragged into this realm to teach everyone about love!

Race:

Demon

Faction:

Order

You are a

Demon Angel

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Angelic

- Due to being an angel, part of yourself remains from the fantasy realm. You have all the advantages (if any) of being fantasy, but still count as a demon as far as winconditions go.

Falling

- If you are ever targetted for a Night Kill, you lose Angelic, but survive.

Active Abilities:

Love Haunt

- Being a demon, you may haunt a person each night once you are defeated. Your haunting is that you block all attempts of targetting on your victim with love speeches.

Ultimate:

Ultimate: Seraphim's Flower Ascension (Passive)

- If you would be killed by a demon, they will be destroyed by becoming a cute flower.

Cost:

- You lose all other abilities

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Order):

You win when all threats have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92&start=0

[ooba]

Hence I am a one-time kill target proof and one-time PGO ultimate.

When I initially claimed Demon, I did it under the impression that my ultimate worked against everyone so I would act like a leash against Parama in case he acted out of his own accord i.e If he choose to kill me, I would survive and we could have lynched him.

Then realized it was useful only against other demons. Hint at my mistake here:

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There's still a lot going on that isn't fucked up

<3 dram

With complex roles, very easy to get confused.

Clarified with dram if I will be informed if either falling kicks in or my ultimate is used up. He said he will. Therefore I haven't been targetted for a kill till now.

[ooba]

Meh .. I sort of expected this reaction since my role is different compared to the rest ..

After the claims are done, I'd like Kairyuu to hammer-confirm me..

[ooba]

HOW ABOUT WE SHOOT YOUR ASS AND THEN YOU LOVE HAUNT SOMEONE IMPORTANT

If Parama shoots me, I'll be destroyed. If you want me to be useful after I die, you'll have to lynch me.

We've already had the purple godmother flipping. I think p.1591 would have been a bad move if I was red scum.

[ooba]

@ooba: To clarify, your haunt causes the person you target to be untargettable?

Yup.

Preview: I was about to suggest that using your ultimate on me to revive Spy might be a good play since it also confirms me.

[ooba]

Sounds like a plan...

Gandalf should ask if he can resurrect whim - just to keep that option open for tomorrow.

For KMDs sake, I hope he doesn't read 71 pages only to realize he's been shot.

[ooba]

People, read the claims again. Gandalf cannot resurrect again.

Ultimate:
Ultimate: Life Shower (Active) - You may resurrect a defeated player.
Cost: You lose your abilities for 4 phases

Ultimates: Each role has a ultimate. There are four categories. Active means you can use them again and again, as long as the prerequisites are met

Does your wincon have something to do with gaining a certain number of dummy points in thread?

Preview: Maybe you should read eli's claim again too!

[ooba]

Whim

- You possess a handmaid and mana, Whim, who can serve as a meatshield if you ever need it (You have a 1-shot NK immunity, if you want it).

However, if Whim dies you can't use your active abilities and ultimate. This ability is currently off.

Preview: Lol. I give up ... I didn't use haunt because I thought I'd play to an anti-town meta this game

[ooba]

Bolding the appropriate part...

Ooba why didn't you use your haunt?

Love Haunt - Being a demon,

you may haunt a person each night

once you are defeated

. Your haunting is that you block all attempts of targetting on your victim with love speeches.

Say like using it on Kai.

[ooba]

Parama kill ooba now. He is purple scum.

Btw .. Given your reasoning that I am a doc and did not use my ability - why can't I be red scum?

Scum slip!!!

[ooba]

Why does it say he counts as a demon in terms of win con? At first I under stood it to be that Ooba counts as both Fantasy and Demon in terms of race ( which Ooba failed to bread crumb spears). To prove Ooba's fantasy nature I ask where did the spears hit us ( in the PM dram said specifally where we felt the pain), so answer the question.

Yes I count as both Fantasy and Demon in terms of race.
The spears hit our bodies - not physically, it just feels like that.
I did not answer your spear question\crumb because I missed it while skimming through the entire Parama vigging Socio part of that day.

[ooba]

Exe - ??
Snow_Bunny - ??

Parama - Fantasy
Ellibereth - Fantasy
TheLonging - Fantasy
DTMaster - Fantasy
Gandalf5166 - Fantasy

Kairyuu - Human
Inhimshallibe - Human
Fate - Human

Benmage - Soul
Kise - Soul
Faraday - Soul

Ooba - Demon

We've had 5 red flips so far. IF (and thats a big if) there is a sixth, I'd say they would be soul (Symmetry: Three soul, three fantasy). The purple would be demon girls - probably Felicia and Lillth left.

I think Human might be a race with no scum
- One because of the believing + Fantasy angle
- General setup spec - when I saw there were 5 races, I anticipated one not to have any scum

Scum in {SB, exe, TL, eli}. Given that scum do not seem to have FCs this game, the delay of a full-claim is very suspicious from SB. (exe also finds a place in this list because he has not claimed yet). TL was in my early town reads but his "wasn't I already confirmed" gave me bad vibes.

eli
- claim having formatting errors (Not just name and role - race wasn't bolded too)
- why protect ben (not sold by the explanation)
- why spyreX died on N2 when jailkept (he says in p.1777 that he will be asking the mod about it - but no follow ups later)

There eli is scum - must be lynched today.

[ooba]

ebwop:Therefore eli is scum

[ooba]

Lol @ Felicia claim

@exe: Regarding your why would I be so eager with info - there are two scum teams (unless SP is a death miller) so hunting for the other scum team is a possibility. In fact, dram's reaction confirmed your ability and I've put you under prob town.
My only big qualm with you is why haven't you claimed yet?

Infact, Ooba, where did you pull 3 demon/pleasure scum from?

A two member purple scum team sounds lame when pitted against one with 5\6 members. Three seemed like a good number.

Also regarding the claimed demon kill argument, I'd say at least one player has made a fantasy falseclaim. (Just by numbers)
SB's baku killed by baku claim is weird.

Think the best plan is to:
- Use SB's skill on eli
- Hammer confirm me
- Lynch SB

If the game doesn't end there, then I'd say its probably exe.

[ooba]

@DTM: SB, elli and myself seem to be the biggest unknowns right now. The plan I suggested takes care of all three unknowns. I wasn't thinking beyond that point because I anticipate the game to end with that or at max. an exe vig tomorrow.

But I can see your points wrt to the situation where the game does not end this day and SB is town. Info will help clear Soul neighbours at the very least.
New plan: Hammer confirm SB. If she's town, lynch eli.

[ooba]

DTM, you keep saying that spy is going to get destroyed tonight. How are you so sure?
Is there some rule or claim that I've missed??

[ooba]

If SB does not get hammered by Kai and is town, then it makes sense no sense at all to lynch Ben because SB's ability
- Will give us the kill distribution
- Will tell us if Souls do the killing (if not clears the neighbours)
- Will tell us if Humans do the killing (if not clears Fate; I'm considering Kai and inhim already confirmed)
And this is not considering SC's result on him.

While I get the "Why kill someone who will automatically get destroyed if telling the truth" argument - Eli, given her ultimate (or some variation of "unstoppable" killing a person) should not be left alive to take out Kai or some other confirmed role etc before dying.

Unvote. Vote: eli

[ooba]

Here's the list:

Faraday
- Neighbour
- Flip confirm: Already flipped before
- SC's wincop result (debated)

Gandalf5166
- Hammer confirm
- DTM ultimate confirm

Inhimshallibe
- Role PM confirm: Fate
- Role PM confirm: Kairyuu

Snow_Bunny
- Hammer confirm
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Kairyuu
- Protown power
- Protown play

Parama
- Day-vig with stipulation that he has to kill off demons

DTMaster
- Protown power
- Protown play
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Exe
- Claimed role = Ythan's claimed throw shot
~~~~~~
Benmage
- Neighbour
- SC's wincop result (debated)

Kise
- Neighbour
~~~~~~
TheLonging
Ooba
Fate
Ellibereth

Level I: Confirmed
Level II: More or less confirmed
Level III: More or less confirmed unless you want to get into WIFOM about "Whether the mod would make a scum role blow up when thrown"
Level IV: Not confirmed but at least they are neighbours
Level V: Not confirmed

[ooba]

@ooba: You've got 2 people in the wrong spots. My ability is confirmed, and with BC's flip I'm confirmed town. Also, Fate and I are both confirmed by Inhim, since he said that both of us are given as order aligned humans in his role PM.

Wow - missed that - so I was right in my speculation that humans are the scum free faction.

Regarding SB's result that Raze was killed by a demon
- Not me
- Other claimed demons: exe, eli, SB
- Other people who could have possibly fakeclaimed some other race: TheLonging
-- None of the neighbours since their role PMs give each others names - therefore Benmage is a bad lynch choice given SB's result
-- None of the humans
-- Not gandalf because DTM ultimate confirms him

eli
- Missed out on the whim thing. Lets leave him alone to catch in a possible lie.

SB
- Not possible unless its a double play - which I do not think it is

exe
- exe's Ultimate is a good answer to Ythan's ultimate but would still put him in prob town category

TheLonging is a very good candidate for today's lynch
- Calling out for confirmation - "Wasn't I already confirmed today?"
- Frequent suspect hopping - not wanting to call people confirmed - scum fearing confirmed taking over and town winning by Poe
- Trying to set up lynches ("When do we get to lynch S_B and ooba so we can lynch Kise tomorrow")
Just gives me a vibe of someone who wants to survive with no regard to who is lynched.

Unvote. Vote: TL

[ooba]

Eli didn't claim Demon. I thought Eli claimed Fantasy Inverse Lyncher Jailkeeper.

Right. eli moves into people who could have fakeclaimed their race but doesn't change the reasoning overall.

[ooba]

Yes. Because his insistence of race fake claims. I'm going to debunk it and expose Ooba for the fake scum who's grasping straws right now.

- I am expecting at least two more purple scum
- SBs claimed a demon kill on town on N2
- The only other claimed demons are exe and SB
- Unless SB shot herself in the foot (and I'm leaning exe town since he's prinny) - that still leaves the killer demon unaccounted for
Conclusion: Somebody is fakeclaiming their race

Regarding your argument that SB claimed last so people didn't have a reason to fakeclaim non-demon race, you're wrong:

SC, if I kill a non-demon, they're defeated. If I kill a demon, they're destroyed. There's no penalty at all for me

[ooba]

TL, I was getting to it but calling it a weak case does not make it weak
- The second point is my biggest tell when town starts using Poe .. Basically scum hate clearing townies because it restricts options for them - you call X town or give reasons as to why X is prob town is bad for you - scum will try and tar every person who gives reasons as to why somebody else is town or plant doubt. Your statements like ben not being confirmed (true, but he is prob. town), "DTM I really hope you are the town doc" all fall into this category.
- You say we want to lynch Kise tomorrow - I would call it setting up lynches
- Reason to fakeclaim race: Parama

[ooba]

"I should say that The Humans are confirmed Order to each other (via Knowledge), and the souls are only confirmed souls to each other via neighborhood." - You're just repeating what I said.

- Other people who could have possibly fakeclaimed some other race: TheLonging
-- None of the neighbours since their role PMs give each others names - therefore Benmage is a bad lynch choice given SB's result
-- None of the humans
-- Not gandalf because DTM ultimate confirms him

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Actually I wonder if we can do it right now. It's kinda cheap. Like TL what's the second word in the PM when the spears hit you. Eli, what's the third word in the PM? I don't know if that's allowed :<

Mod Question if the above questions are allowed. Gut says no.

I'm up for it.
If dram doesn't allow word-for-word, I'm even up for the kai stop believing and lets see if you can quote what happens game. It will weed out the fakeclaiming fantasy, if any.

[ooba]

Dude, I am obviously the anti-mass claim role ...
- D1: Lets mass claim
- Oh - wait ooba ain't in the game - lets lynch
- Boom! Town loses a good bulletproof role

Just realized that this is stupid arguing on this. I would prefer another person's lynch to mine. But if nothing else, I'm a better mislynch than most because of my haunt ability.

Revive me if ya think its necessary but think I'll be more useful defeated. I'll be protecting Kai from any form of targetting tonight.

[ooba]

Win Condition (Heroism): You possess the regular Order aligned Wincon (You win when all threats have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same) with the added clause that all demons must be dead.

You can check with dram.
If he doesn't answer, check with another role PM which uses the word "dead" or "death" and infer context as to whether that means defeated or destroyed.

[ooba]

@ooba: If you're actually town, then your action tonight should be obvious. You haunt Snow_Bunny so that we're assured results tomorrow.

Of course...

[ooba]

One of the last remaining questions that we're heading off into night is: Is Gandalf says he doesn't see Exe watching him. Why

What?? I thought all lose ends were resolved and thats why we were lynching me by process of elimination.. Even though I am still useful dead - doesn't make sense to keep a contradictory claim alive...

Vote: exe

[ooba]

No player in this game will have their alignment changed, ever. I said that already.
All actions should be up to date as of now...

Translated as "one scum caught" ....

[ooba]

Hold your shot. We can potentially clear 2 or more players based on your results. However,

if ooba flips scum and the game doesn't end

(we've GOT to be close to killing all of the scum at this point), use your judgement. If you think that you'll be killed (very likely in my opinion) then you should shoot one of the unconfirmed players. For reference, the unconfirmed are:

Benmage
TheLonging
Kise
Elli

Bolded not happening - I am town
I would go for TheLonging ...

[ooba]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-stardz

[ooba]

I mean, it never came into play, but Childish Haunt is basically the one most powerful haunt in the game if you ask me, simply because it has to be lynched and as long as the haunter is still in someone, the faction is alive. Unfortunately for Pleasure, Ooba didn't haunt <<

Would it have mattered? Couldn't see myself not being destroyed till endgame ..

The only thing which could have possibly won us the game was me shooting gandalf instead of SpyreX and using DTM's words to confirm myself ...