Cross Edge Bastard Mod! (Game Over!)

[DTMaster]

I posted that in support. I'm having a hard time believing that SC would implicate his scum buddy so early in his claim with wild card killers. If anything I'd bus harder over implicating a link unless it was benifical to me if I were in SC's shoes. /WIFOM

[DTMaster]

If SC is a Jester then it's a non issue since he won. >>;; If SC is a death miller, then Dram is lying to us directly.

[DTMaster]

Um, did you read Eli's claim?

[DTMaster]

Eli who did you Jailkeep again?

[DTMaster]

The moment Kai claimed human, was the moment Eli couldn't have killed Kai. In fact, Eli had all of day 2 to kill Kai before Whim died. I don't see why if Eli-scum wouldn't have killed Kai. Nor used it to revive his scum buddies. In fact, Exe didn't change his target yet from Benmage to Kai until the night phase so...

[DTMaster]

Eli didn't claim Demon. I thought Eli claimed Fantasy Inverse Lyncher Jailkeeper.

[DTMaster]

Except there is no reason to fake claim race because S_B claimed last.

[DTMaster]

Look, if you look back at both SC, and Manho both players had to edit their own role PMs. Editing out your race is an unnecessary reason because we have:

Race =/= alignment.

Lots of ways to confirm race. Kai can confirm if Eli is a Fantasy player by stop believing at any point.
Souls not so much since Reck died. However all the claimed souls are in a neighborhood together and their roles are linked.
Baku we don't know, but we assume it's dead.
Demons Parama can confirm with his blade.

[DTMaster]

Humans are all confirmed with each other, and Fantasy only confirms 3 humans.

[DTMaster]

Your insistence that someone is fake claiming their race is super, duper suspicious.

[DTMaster]

...

Raze! Let me take my chance and make my move!

Welcome to Cross Edge Bastard Hell, Ellibereth. You are Lily, Lovesick Egomaniac. You are a rich, spoiled girl and also a decent alchemist. You entertain a rather creepy and obsessive crush on Raze. You would do anything to keep him alive, anything...

Race: Fantasy
Faction: Enslavement

You are a

Fantasy Inverse Lyncher Jailkeeper

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Fantasy

- Being fantasy may or may not have an effect on the game.

Infatuated

- You are so obsessed with Raze (SpyreX) that you are immune to attack that would affect your mind.

Whim

- You possess a handmaid and mana, Whim, who can serve as a meatshield if you ever need it (You have a 1-shot NK immunity, if you want it). However, if Whim dies you can't use your active abilities and ultimate. This ability is currently off.

Active Abilities:

Flash Freeze

- Each night, you may protect someone. That person will be immune to night kills of any sort and roleblocked.

Ultimate:

Ultimate: Water Treat (One-Shot)

- You may freeze someone, grind them into little powder and feed the result to a defeated player. If the two players are from the same race, the defeated player will be resurrected.

Cost:

You lose Flash Freeze.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Enslavement):

You win if Raze survives.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92&start=0

We're gonna get lost for sure... Stay calm Shurelia...

Welcome to Cross Edge Bastard Hell,

DTMaster

. You are

Shurelia, Collected Reyvateil

. You are a delicate Reyvateil (magical songstress). While for the most part you are a smart person, your sense of direction is... yeah...

Race:

Fantasy

Faction:

Order

You are a

Fantasy Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Fantasy

- Being fantasy may or may not have an effect on the game.

Active Abilities:

Medifill

- Each night, you may heal someone. The target won't die, but it won't count as a failed kill in regard to possible effects. Don't think about it too much.

Ultimate:

Ultimate: Reyvateil Connection (One-Shot)

- You will discover who the other Reyvateils in the setup are.

Cost:

If any Reyvateil dies, so will you.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Order):

You win when all threats have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92&start=0

This is my role PM. I protected Kai last night actually with my Medifill. I haven't used my Ultimate yet, mainly because it'll make me into a lover towards a race.

[DTMaster]

Ooba, I want to humour your theory.

Kai please stop believing in Fantasy now

[DTMaster]

I personally want Ooba dead. His theories, are stretching the limits of actual scum hunting.

Unvote, Vote Ooba

[DTMaster]

Yes. Because his insistence of race fake claims. I'm going to debunk it and expose Ooba for the fake scum who's grasping straws right now.

[DTMaster]

I'm crazy. And if this can confirm a few more people, then it'll be worth the bad thing.

[DTMaster]

If you want some food for thought, since when did Demon become a win condition? I thought it was Pleasure, Order, Chaotic, etc...

@TL
If all the Fantasy players die from it, it'll be awesome because it's a mass vig. (er suicide).

[DTMaster]

If Spyrex gets destroyed, then Eli autoloses. If the auto loss doesn't happen, then we have scum. Defeated is another story.

25) Death: Defeated is not Destroyed. If you are destroyed feel free to stop reading the game. If you are defeated, don't disappear, who knows when you might be needed?

[DTMaster]

Ooba, why don't you want to test out your race fake claim theory. it's super easy to do that you do know that.

[DTMaster]

In fact, all the humans and souls are confirmed to each other. So the only possible race that anyone could fake claim are fantasy. Again, I have the solution to your theory.

[DTMaster]

I should say that The Humans are confirmed Order to each other (via Knowledge), and the souls are only confirmed souls to each other via neighborhood.

[DTMaster]

As a Fantasy person I'll even let you ask the questions of TL and Eli in any order when/if Kai stops believing.

[DTMaster]

Actually I wonder if we can do it right now. It's kinda cheap. Like TL what's the second word in the PM when the spears hit you. Eli, what's the third word in the PM? I don't know if that's allowed :<

Mod Question if the above questions are allowed. Gut says no.

[DTMaster]

It's a better action plan then accusing people of fake claiming. I'd rather test out fake claims then speculate.

[DTMaster]

Aurica isn't in Dota. This is

Cross Edge Mafia

. This is Aurcia from the

Game Cross Edge

. I wouldn't mind killing Exe for the sudden fascination of hunting Aurcia down when I said she isn't in the game and that only

scum would have her has a claim

[DTMaster]

Oh technically she's from Ar Tonelico.

[DTMaster]

Why isn't Flonne on the list of Characters though?

[DTMaster]

Here's an uneditable link. GameFaqs

When I went to the Wikipedia's Flonne didn't appear as a playable character.

[DTMaster]

Humans
Fate = York = In Game
Kai = Troy = In game

Demons
S_B = Felecia = In Game
Exe = Prinny = In Game
Ooba = Flonne = Disgaea characters are in game but Flonne isn't Playable.
Ythan = Etna = In game

Fantasy
Whim = Ingame
Me = Shurelia = Ingame
Gandalf = Misha = Ingame

I gotta go to work but I'll finish this list on how Ooba stands out.

[DTMaster]

Flonne is mentioned once in that Game Guide on Game Faqs thats 1.5 MB long as a .txt file. Under Costumes. That's it.

[DTMaster]

err, 1.5 MB in size. Technically it's not a measure of length.

[DTMaster]

Oh sorry I mixed up my Aurcia and Misha result. Misha isn't in game an Aurcia is.

[DTMaster]

"shrugs" bullet proof roles are only useful unclaimed because scum know: Avoid X people, shoot other people. Arguing it, is as you say, moot. If you are town, please do protect S_B with your haunt. Otherwise I'd rather wring you through. The system is already set: I protect Kai. Faraday protects Gandalf. If you can protect S_B then we'll mostlikely have a result on your killer from S_B if you do get destroyed.

[DTMaster]

If you don't get destroyed, then Gandalf can revive you tomorrow. Win win win win!

[DTMaster]

It'll also confirm if your PGO works while being defeated. Heeheeheehee.

[DTMaster]

Benmage, you're saying that Kai's PM is a lie then.

Back Home - You know Miko Aiba (InhimshallIbe) is an order-aligned Human.

Which involves then, quite literally a Kai/Inhim scum team. Then Fate would also be lying with this in his PM:

Back Home - You know Miko Aiba (InhimshallIbe) is an order-aligned Human.

Which is a Fate/Kai/Ihim scum team. Which means the number of scum is over 8. If you count Eli as well, that's 9 scum at least. Benmage, do some checking, Ihim is confirmed. His play is deterimental to the town, but if you are pushing this angle, that means all three Fate, Kai, and Ihim must be scum together.

[DTMaster]

Ihim is

alignment confirmed

. Thus, Fate and Kai are alignment confirmed. The only way this breaks is

if all three players are scum together

[DTMaster]

Benmage, why can't we wait to destroy Spyrex to confirm Eli? I don't understand. Do you believe that even with the huge scum flips, and mod confirmation that there isn't alignment change bastardy mechanics, that we can't afford to test Spy destroyed = Auto Lose Eli theory?

[DTMaster]

If you are wondering why it has to be all or nothing, Ihim claimed that both Kai and Fate are order aligned, thus the all or nothing sweep is there.

[DTMaster]

Do stop having townie and townie fights and defuse it already. We already know why the human trio is confirmed. We have confirmation that SC did wincop Benmage via Exe. Both of you are townies yadda yadda. Now let's finish off the unconfirmed wagons in Ooba (or if you want, Eli). I lean for Ooba. At the WCS and ooba is town, we gain protections. In a good case, we lynch scumz.

@Benmage

Dram said in the role pm that someone was order aligned. That means that if you take into my ultimate, Gandalf isn't order aligned. Kai's powers are 0% and we can't trust the flips

Reread what Dram confirmed:

Since I've been asked several time for reassuring...
There is no cult, no recruiting, no "I change your alignment" stuff.
At all.

If someone is Order Aligned. They are order aligned. Stop arguing mod confirmed information about the limits of bastard modding.

[DTMaster]

OMG EXPLAIN TO ME WHY DRAM WOULD MOD ANNOUNCE ROLE INFORMATION IN GAME? TO LIE ABOUT THIS? To give scum an advantage by throwing out a fake bone to the town?

Please mod, do doubly confirm that the above quoted information is correct

[DTMaster]

Dude, if they PM lied, that means

All three humans had to PM lie

.

[DTMaster]

The only thing that role's shouldn't contain are sanitizes and maybe millerized roles. Otherwise you're pretty much saying we shouldn't ever, believe in Mason claims in large themes because Mason's could actually be Neighbours (having a Mafia mason), even though both parties claim confirmed alignments.

See Scummer's mafia where people over thunk this about Masons, and lynched the confirmed, Night Vig Mason who wasn't counter claimed.

@Benmage
I'm going to be very, very slow for this since it's late for you.

Fate and Kai confirm -> Ihim
Ihim confirm -> Fate and Kai

If one of them is a lie, that means the loop is broken.

If Fate is lying, that mean's Kai's PM is wrong. That means all three are scum because Fate lied (durh), Ihim is acutally scum, and Kai lied.
Same dilemma happens when you run: Kai is lying, then Ihim is lying. Think about it for one second. It forms a triangle of confirmation

Kai <--> Ihim <----> Fate

This is how all 3 are confirmed town, or confirmed scum.

[DTMaster]

Anyone on the Elie wagon

explain to me why we can't confirm Eli by destroying Spyrex?

Please do tell me.

Anyone opposing the Ooba wagon

explain to me who is a better lynch

and why

my plan for ooba town (just in case) isn't justified?

Scum ooba is null since he's scum.

[DTMaster]

Everyone who's disagreed me on the Eli lynch has not provided meta evidence where a player who lost their win con did not auto lose and left the game. I provided meta evidence where a lyncher who failed to win his win con was auto lost and removed from game.

Explain to me now.

[DTMaster]

Yet I have a game that shows what a mod did in an auto loss situation.

[DTMaster]

Infact Tar employed that when he had multiple Jesters in his mind screw games.

[DTMaster]

We can, but Eli is the counter wagon. And I'm trying to force people to prove to me contrary. Spewing what if scenarios of Eli not auto lossing is nonsensical because we already know that if Eli isn't auto lossed, we'll lynch him in the end (hence my point). I'm already voting Ooba. I'm trying to swing it towards that direction. Everyone is over thinking (See Benmage's theory on How dram is lying through our roles in our PM theory) or why we don't have Screw ball mechanics theory (or that Dram's mod confirmed information is a lie theory).

Answers will come from another day/night cycle.

One of the last remaining questions that we're heading off into night is: Is Gandalf says he doesn't see Exe watching him. Why

[DTMaster]

EBWOP:

Why we might have screwball theories

[DTMaster]

Or we can wait for some mod updates because he did mod confirm he was late in giving Exe results.

Mod, are all actions in place, and votes accurate, etc, etc, etc

[DTMaster]

Your race fake claim theory went down the drain pretty fast.

[DTMaster]

It was proven wrong when I reread. :<

[DTMaster]

Fiiiinnnnallly. Dram you will be the death of Exe.

[DTMaster]

Interesting that KMD got destroyed.

[DTMaster]

Prod Exe, S_B mod god.

[DTMaster]

Faraday, SB claimed a demon shot you there for it's likely one of the pleasure demons or BC. It's possible that they didn't shoot Benmage but specifically shot you. That probably wouldn't fulfill the conditions.

[DTMaster]

Remember that Exe said only you targetted Benmage that night. (Eli changed his target)

[DTMaster]

Parama - Fantasy - Demon Slayer Day Vig/Haunt Removal
Ellibereth - Fantasy - BP, Jailkeeper, Combined Reviver + Vig
TheLonging - Fantasy - Bombmaker,
DTMaster - Fantasy - Night Doctor, Lover to Gandalf
Gandalf5166 - Fantasy - Day Doctor, Reviver

Kairyuu - Human - Order Confirm Hammerer, Vanillierizer, Knows IHIM is town
Inhimshallibe - Human - ????, Knows both Fate and Kai as town
Fate - Human - Vote Stickyer (makes someone's vote sticks), can reset the VC and only Fate and Fate's Target can be lynched, Ihim is Town

Kise - Soul - Unknown, must be on lynching wagons or else Kise gets bored. If Ultimate triggers and Benmage is alive, he dies. If Faraday is alive, Faraday dies.
Faraday - Soul - Body Guard, Had a QT with Reck, Benmage/Kise, Chronopie, ??? Ultimate, triggers if protecting Benmage/Kise sucessfully

Exe - Demon - Combined Watcher/Tracker, One shot dodge any ability, all females know if Exe targets them, if use ultimate, females will destroy Exe., Haunt: RB
Snow_Bunny - Demon - Death Tracker, Vig powers (that requires recharge time), Haunt: Gives Target the first result of Death Track

[DTMaster]

Oh forgot, Parama's ultimate is a 3 target ability redirect (effectively it means the target and Parama is bused, and the action goes to Parama) and anyone targeting Parama dies.

[DTMaster]

So Parama can kill 3 people at once if he wanted to.

[DTMaster]

Actually, the fact that Parama didn't kill everyone in that chain of confirmations is kinda neat, if Parama targeted Exe, Kai and Benmage, he could have killed Me, Exe, Faraday all at once as scum.

[DTMaster]

Ok, we should claim all night actions because we have an extra revive where it shouldn't be possible unless Gandalf did what I thought he did. I'll quote Eli's PM to see why there's something odd with when Whim revived.

Raze! Let me take my chance and make my move!

Welcome to Cross Edge Bastard Hell, Ellibereth. You are Lily, Lovesick Egomaniac. You are a rich, spoiled girl and also a decent alchemist. You entertain a rather creepy and obsessive crush on Raze. You would do anything to keep him alive, anything...

Race: Fantasy
Faction: Enslavement

You are a Fantasy Inverse Lyncher Jailkeeper. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:
Fantasy - Being fantasy may or may not have an effect on the game.
Infatuated - You are so obsessed with Raze (SpyreX) that you are immune to attack that would affect your mind.
Whim - You possess a handmaid and mana, Whim, who can serve as a meatshield if you ever need it (You have a 1-shot NK immunity, if you want it). However, if Whim dies you can't use your active abilities and ultimate. This ability is currently off.

Active Abilities:
Flash Freeze - Each night, you may protect someone. That person will be immune to night kills of any sort and roleblocked.

Ultimate:
Ultimate: Water Treat (One-Shot) - You may freeze someone, grind them into little powder and feed the result to a defeated player. If the two players are from the same race, the defeated player will be resurrected.
Cost: You lose Flash Freeze.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Enslavement): You win if Raze survives.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14592&start=0

If we are hammer confirming though with those people. TL goes first. Eli would automatically get lynched since his win-con isn't Order as read by Kai.

[DTMaster]

Last night I chose to protect Kai obv.

[DTMaster]

OMG OMG OMG THIS IS AWESOME.

Mod Prod Ythan to read the thread

. Gais, Ythan's haunt gives a person a NK.

[DTMaster]

Or in Gandalf's case a Daykill.

[DTMaster]

Technically if we lynch all the scum, we can day kill all the demons afterwards without fear of a NK. >>;; Exe can target a female with his ability on. Etc, etc, etc.

[DTMaster]

Operation, successful.

Unvote, Vote Eli

[DTMaster]

Does the hammer count as an action on me? Either way, I'm a Love struck townie. If I die, Gandalf is alive. If Gandalf dies, I die.

I protected Ihim last night. The correct play should have been Parama used his sword on me today. Also S_B needs to claim her result.

you guys do realize that Elil flipped Chaotic right? That Eli was most likely the fantasy killer. Wait for S_B's result

[DTMaster]

Ellibereth, Lily the Fantasy

Chaotic

Inverse Lyncher Jailkeeper, day 4

[DTMaster]

Acutally with no deaths, S_B's results are useless.

[DTMaster]

Gandalf resurrect Benmage.

[DTMaster]

Kai why are you making Faraday/Stemata on the need to be confirmed list? He's confirmed. Gandalf resurrected him. Faraday/Stemata is the town soul body guard.

[DTMaster]

Guys, here is the plan. Exe uses his ultimate and then targets me to confirm me. He'll dodge the bomb and I'll die. Gandalf can revive me if necessary so we can still have the doctor. We hammer confirm someone else. Ihim/S_B/Spy shoots the remaining unknowns. We win.

[DTMaster]

If you really really, want to be efficient, have Exe target me without his ultimate. Exe needs to be confirmed anyways. We can win all at once today.

[DTMaster]

Ihmo I trust Benmage over you Fate.

[DTMaster]

Kai, Benmage is better off alive, like our replacement. Who are both confirmed townies. Confirmed. BC can grant vig powers to someone defeated. What is your problem Kai?

[DTMaster]

Or we revive BC, and have him shoot for us rather then grant people Haunting vigs. Either way, either player is a good revive. Today we clean the plate of all the confirmed players. Do what I plan and town wins. You can start with having Exe target me now.

[DTMaster]

Here is the true list of confirmed.
Not Confirmed
Exe
Parama
DTMaster

Hammer Confirmed
Snow_Bunny
TheLonging
Gandalf5166 (Doubly confirmed via my ultimate. Says Gandalf is order

Human Order Confirmed Via PM
Kairyuu
Fate
Inhimshallibe

Was Ressurected and Flipped Town
Faraday Stemata
SpyreX

[DTMaster]

Note: If all the unconfirmed are shot and do not end the game, shoot a human. The humans are confirmed in a triangle of PMs with each other, but are not confirmed via other methods. If a human flips scum, all humans are scum.

[DTMaster]

Fine then, have Exe target me. Have Gandalf revive BC. Have Ihim shoot Parama. Have S_B shoot Benmage. Have Spyrex shoot Faraday. Hammer confirm Spyrex. Then we win because all potential scum are defeated/destroyed and can be handled next cycle. If the game doesn't end, have BC shoot someone. Go from there.

[DTMaster]

Either way, the game is over, the town controls 3 kills. If Gandalf revives BC, thats a 4th with BC. Can we please confirm people via actions now?

[DTMaster]

Lynching Parama is a poor move. Hammer confirm one of the ressurectors. If you guys are dumb he is not order aligned. He claimed so. Parama claimed 3rd party vig basically.

The issue comes from the revived people. Have Kai confirm them. Parama is just going to die via hammer. Exe targets me without his ultimate. If Exe doesn't die and he targets me, he's free to kill as scum. It's faster to do it my way, because we kill all the unconfirmed and confirm them rather then losing Kai's hammer to Parama. Kai's hammer might trigger my bomb, so we should have Exe target me to kill the unconfirmed faster.

Then Ihim can destroy our bodies and BC can shoot us if the game still doesn't end.

[DTMaster]

If we are left with just humans and hammer confirm only and the game still hasn't ended, kill all the humans. End of story. I'm out of here because I expect to be blown up.

[DTMaster]

I think it's the first vote. Kai. remember you only confirmed order aligned people. Reread your PM. Parama claimed a win con that is not ORDER. He claimed HEROIC. If you reread the power of your hammer, it only confirms order aligned people who share the same win conditions as you. You do not confirm any separate entities outside of ORDER . Stop inferring and start reading your own PM.

A Town aligned NON Order will not have the same win conditions as you. Thus he would be lynched with your hammer.

Judging though on how Enslavement and Survivor both turned up as Chaotic beings, Parama is the final scum just by POE. What doesn't make sense is the lack of pleasure scum. Pleasure scum should be super powerful with Parama's role in play and the multiple destroyers that stop their haunts.

[DTMaster]

Vote: Spyrex

[DTMaster]

If the bomb ends the day logically, we can save that for the night action. Remember guys, Eli flipped Inverse Lyncher destroyed. That part of the condition is perfect for brownie points and makes sense to keep Spy alive. That part of the win condititon is probably true.

[DTMaster]

err Last action, not night action.

[DTMaster]

Tee hee Doc powers and bomb FTW.