Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[SharkFinn]

Hey, been reading into this game, and I do say things are getting very interesting. First of all, not sure where I stand on the whole gandalf thing. Still on the fence about it, but if I had to choose at this moment, I'd let him be lynched to diffuse the possible 2 nights in a row.

Also want to point out to those suspicious of mongoose have good reason to in my mind. Been lurky a bit, goes "V/LA" to throw off the heat from him onto gandalf, and this below.

@mongoose: How would you know that the reason Luigi turned bad is because he was jealous of Mario? Slip much?

Because it said so in

his fake role PM,

I think. Since the fake didn't make him look too innocent, you can figure it was the real one with the role being changed. Let me go find it.

What makes you sure that he got a fake role PM? I didnt see it that way based on the mod's description of game + the fact that he claimed VT. Best way to know is to be scum.

FoS: mongoose

[SharkFinn]

Speaking of which,

Town Vote: Nacho

Agree with the general consensus that he deserves the smash ball.

[SharkFinn]

Speaking of which,

Town Vote: Nacho

Agree with the general consensus that he deserves the smash ball.

Yes, but mechanics say that we shouldn't give it to him until later.

Why so? If he gets majority, day isnt over nor is he guaranteed to remain so. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that they are independent of each other (unless we lynch the player with the most town votes atm).

[SharkFinn]

VOTE: Gandalf
Yea...if it wasn't for the fact you claimed your role, I'd probably vote mongoose for his behavior. Will have more later, when I'm not too focused on Gandalf >_<

[SharkFinn]

actually, misread something....

UNVOTE: gandalf The mechanics of Beloved Princess/whatever variant thereof is screwing with my head X_X

[SharkFinn]

Between him not claiming and getting NK'd later or claiming now, I think he's pulling off the better of the town scenarios here. Yea he can be jester, but I'm not seeing it. I truly am not at this moment. Mongoose is my top list as scum, but in the mean time, better set off the beloved princess now better than later.

VOTE: Gandalf5166

[SharkFinn]

Lynch

VOTE: Mongoose Scummiest player that I've found since subbing in.

[SharkFinn]

I dont care what exactly Gollum's vote on mongoose meant, I still hold that mongoose is scum. He's been scummy the whole time I've joined in and I just dont like it one bit.

Retain Vote: mongoose

Town Vote: danakillsu

liking today's posts by dana and even though her MC rolename idea didnt recieve the warm acceptance of the crowd, I still thought it would be a smart idea to do, well at least to find possible traitor mafia members.

[SharkFinn]

@Nacho: First post I made in this game:

Hey, been reading into this game, and I do say things are getting very interesting. First of all, not sure where I stand on the whole gandalf thing. Still on the fence about it, but if I had to choose at this moment, I'd let him be lynched to diffuse the possible 2 nights in a row.

Also want to point out to those suspicious of mongoose have good reason to in my mind. Been lurky a bit, goes "V/LA" to throw off the heat from him onto gandalf, and this below.

@mongoose: How would you know that the reason Luigi turned bad is because he was jealous of Mario? Slip much?

Because it said so in

his fake role PM,

I think. Since the fake didn't make him look too innocent, you can figure it was the real one with the role being changed. Let me go find it.

What makes you sure that he got a fake role PM? I didnt see it that way based on the mod's description of game + the fact that he claimed VT. Best way to know is to be scum.

FoS: mongoose

Based on what I've seen, mongoose has been acting fishy this whole game. Yea im tunneling, but he's scum. How does he know what the scum role PM has? Scumslip much. I dont like it at all.

[SharkFinn]

Untown Vote

Town Vote: Pikachu

I CHOOSE YOU!

Retain Vote: mongoose.

I will be the snake that eats your mongoose

[SharkFinn]

2 things:

1. LYNCH MONGOOSE ALREADY!!!
2. When will Fate notice the obvious buddying of tanstalas??? (Scummy btw)

FoS: tanstalas

[SharkFinn]

BTW, can we just lynch mongoose already. I know he's scum, you all know he's scum, so can we just end these fruitful efforts to stop this wagon?

[SharkFinn]

Good post tanstalas. Read into I doubt it/singsigner and based on the total of 6 posts they made combined, I think singsigner is scum. I doubt it was definitely bandwagoning and did so without much content, although it appears so.

Mongoose and singsigner are unaligned scum imo, but both scum.

Prediction: Mongoose Villain, singsigner Traitor. (Gollum probably bussed Mongoose before he died)

[SharkFinn]

How is mongoose town???????

[SharkFinn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: danakillsu

Yea. that last post just made my mind up. dana is scum.

@Pikachu: Use Volt Tackle (aka the Smash Ball) on mongoose. I know he's scum. Trust me on this.

[SharkFinn]

@Pikachu: Use Volt Tackle (aka the Smash Ball) on mongoose. I know he's scum. Trust me on this.

@Pikachu: Use Volt Tackle (aka the Smash Ball) on sharkfinn. I know he's scum. Trust me on this.

OMGUS!

Ever since I subbed in, I've said you were scum. Give me a (valid/good) reason I'm scum, and I'll take back the OMGUS.

[SharkFinn]

Yea, please lynch dani now and smash the crap out of mongoose.

Dani: there are over 40 characters in SSB history and 38 in just SSBB. Even including the fake claims, there are going to be characters extra. Just cause you say you are Pit doesnt clear you. See Harry Potter Mafia.

[SharkFinn]

How so MPR?

[SharkFinn]

ZOMG IMA COP AND BOTH MONGOOSE AND DANA ARE SCUMZORS.

[SharkFinn]

Add mongoose as scum. Trust me. I know he is.

[SharkFinn]

Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, I have a group presentation to work on. posting this across all games.

[off-topic] you are in all my 3 games? i'm tempted to vote you here to make all my 3 votes on you.[/off-topic]

He cant be scum in all 3 games, can he???

Hmm....

[SharkFinn]

am confused as to why mongoose is still alive.

QFT

mongoose is scum. I have proof. Can we lynch him please. Thanks.

[SharkFinn]

Role-related and scummy behavior related.

[SharkFinn]

Hey, been reading into this game, and I do say things are getting very interesting. First of all, not sure where I stand on the whole gandalf thing. Still on the fence about it, but if I had to choose at this moment, I'd let him be lynched to diffuse the possible 2 nights in a row.

Also want to point out to those suspicious of mongoose have good reason to in my mind. Been lurky a bit, goes "V/LA" to throw off the heat from him onto gandalf, and this below.

@mongoose: How would you know that the reason Luigi turned bad is because he was jealous of Mario? Slip much?

Because it said so in

his fake role PM,

I think. Since the fake didn't make him look too innocent, you can figure it was the real one with the role being changed. Let me go find it.

What makes you sure that he got a fake role PM? I didnt see it that way based on the mod's description of game + the fact that he claimed VT. Best way to know is to be scum.

FoS: mongoose

He's been active lurking, V/LA the moment he got suspicion thrown on him, and hasnt been pro-town in my PoV. Suspicions confirmed the second night.

Also just realized I'm not voting him.

VOTE: mongoose

PREVIEW EDIT: Mine. I actioned him with an info-gathering role, and got info that he's scum.

[SharkFinn]

Dont worry. He's scum.

[SharkFinn]

Just FYI. mongoose lies.

[SharkFinn]

PK Thunder that mongoose

[SharkFinn]

Wait. since im getting townvotes, any suggestions for smash kill? I have an idea or two, but wanting other opinions

[SharkFinn]

/me puts 5 red marbles in a bag with 10 more green ones.

Red=scum
Green=town



(In all seriousness, Im pretty sure Im targetting XXXXX for the kill

[SharkFinn]

Ness: Role Name Inspector. (notice the flavor softclaim as mongoose fakeclaimed.

N1: Previous player didnt submit action
N2: Targetted mongoose, got Bowser (I voted him that day and pushed for his lynch but didnt want to reveal role atm)
N3: Targetted quadz, got Wario (dont know i
N4: I smashed manho!

Pretty much got 2 scum, and possibly 3???
MC would be good for me (name claim works now at this point) It would definitely give me more info to double check what everyone claims, but seeing as jigglypuff and olimar as scum doesnt 100% clear people.

Also pointing out whoever Solid Snake is should be clean. Shouldnt claim role though, based on my reading of the game.

[SharkFinn]

Ness: Role Name Inspector. (notice the flavor softclaim as mongoose fakeclaimed.

N1: Previous player didnt submit action
N2: Targetted mongoose, got Bowser (I voted him that day and pushed for his lynch but didnt want to reveal role atm)
N3: Targetted quadz, got Wario (dont know i
N4: I smashed manho!

Pretty much got 2 scum, and possibly 3???
MC would be good for me (name claim works now at this point) It would definitely give me more info to double check what everyone claims, but seeing as jigglypuff and olimar as scum doesnt 100% clear people.

Also pointing out whoever Solid Snake is should be clean. Shouldnt claim role though, based on my reading of the game.

Who did you target last night? With ability - not Smash Ball

Wait...I could have done both last night???

[SharkFinn]

I pretty sure I couldnt...
If I was supposed to, Ill do a /facepalm and complain to mod. (jk to the complain)

[SharkFinn]

And @ furry: yea, maybe. Chances are anyways the last 1-2 traitor mafia are going to claim the role name anyways...only the villain mafia are going to fake claim. They have 2-3 left, so that means I have 2/11 or 3/11 chance of hitting them.

This also depends on whether Wario is opposite mafia or town.

[SharkFinn]

/facepalm

#(@*#*)#()@(*)$($#_(%*&@#*&)(@!#*)*#@($$_*@!$!!!!!!!!

;_;

(Didnt send in any action)

@MasterHand Can I have a word in private

[SharkFinn]

and you climb ice?

[SharkFinn]

Furry no you.
You have to claim, the only people who should be last are those who have already gotten the smashball, so pretty much everyone you already name excluding you lol.
But to be truthful it doesn't matter to me.
I've already stated who I was, but I'll restate who I am.
I am Ice Climbers

Massclaim =/= nameclaim.

I already claimed tracker, I am claiming last because I have results that can catch two people fakeclaiming. Not that name matters (information > flavor, not that my role had any flavor behind it), but my role is Sonic. Who by a side point I absolutely hate using in SSBB (pikachu, olimar and trainer are my three).

Like using Snake, Wolf, Lucario, occasional splash with Pikachu, Link, and Ike/Marth. O and Meta Knight

(In b4 everyone says meta knight)

[SharkFinn]

O and inb4 I can confirm stels

[SharkFinn]

1. mothrax: ??? (???)
2. Pikachu: ??? (Doctor)
3. CSL: ??? (???)
6. MehPlusRawr: ??? (???)
11. Stels: ??? (???)

13. Kirbyoshi: ??? (???)
14. Nachomamma8: ??? (???)
18. Bunnylover: Ice Climbers (VT)
20. Furry: Sonic (Tracker)
21. Chronopie: ??? (???) [Broken combo with absorber???]
22. tanstalas: ??? (???)
25. SharkFinn: Ness (Role Name Cop)


Will copy and edit as needed.

[SharkFinn]

@ Chronopie's Mafia Role Analysis

Dead:
Traitor Goon, RB, and GF
Villain Watcher and RB

Unaccounted for: at least 1 Janitor from quadz kill, Villain GF, and unknown role (at bare minimum)

[SharkFinn]

Sharkkkkkkk stop giving away your info!

You dont tell someone that the name cop investigated them before they claim.

The people I've inspected are dead...One was scum. the other was quadz who was janitor'd

[SharkFinn]

1. mothrax: ??? (???)
2. Pikachu: ??? (Doctor)
3. CSL: ??? (???)
6. MehPlusRawr: ??? (???)
11. Stels: ??? (???)

13. Kirbyoshi: ??? (???)
14. Nachomamma8: ??? (???)
18. Bunnylover: Ice Climbers (VT)
20. Furry: Sonic (Tracker)
21. Chronopie: ??? (???) [Broken combo with absorber???]
22. tanstalas: Zelda/Shiek (Coward/RoleGiver to Link)
25. SharkFinn: Ness (Role Name Cop)


Will copy and edit as needed.

[SharkFinn]

@ Chronopie: Yep. meant ROB not Olimar

Also role name != clear. See: Harry Potter Mafia. Notice that mongoose probably had a safeclaim when he claimed Ike, Town Hider. 28 players. 38 characters (inculding Shiek and Zelda seperate). Also pointing out he hasnt died yet and HES A DOCTOR? He's 90% clear, not giving it to 99%.

@ Mothrax: Full claim, not just name claim. With the amount of mafia left, a full claim is best.

[SharkFinn]

1. mothrax: MetaKnight (VT)
2. Pikachu: Mario (Doctor)
3. CSL: Falco (VT)
6. MehPlusRawr: ??? (???)
11. Stels: Lucas (Town Neighborizer) [N3 He targetted me and we both spoke last night in a QT. We decided to recruit CSL, since he was the most recent subin.] Stels is Clear
13. Kirbyoshi: ??? (???)
14. Nachomamma8: ??? (???)
18. Bunnylover: Ice Climbers (VT)
20. Furry: Sonic (Tracker)
21. Chronopie: ??? (???) [Broken combo with absorber???]
22. tanstalas: Zelda/Shiek (Commuter/RoleGiver to Link)
25. SharkFinn: Ness (Role Name Cop)


Also, disagree with MetaKnight = scum (based on rolename). More likely that King Dedede and Ganondorf are the last villian mafia. MetaKnight is 3rd in line as most likely.

[SharkFinn]

Rival != villian

[SharkFinn]

Would a mafia have a neighborizer when 2/3 mafia alive are a GF and a Janitor (if there are 5 mafia then I'll listen)? Chances are he's town based on our private discussions and the fact his role is 99.99999% town

[SharkFinn]

Will point out 2 things in Chrono v. mothrax:

1. Chrono is role clear ESPECIALLY after Jigglypuff was detonated. That's Snake's signature.
2. Assuming 2 4-member mafia teams, would a neutral killer/lyncher be plausibe?

@ mothrax: According to SSBWiki Tier list for Brawl, Meta Knight is the top character, Snake is a not to distant second. Diddy is far 3rd, etc. etc. Totally see Snake blowing MetaKnight to be first place.

[SharkFinn]

O god. Taken out of context is....wow.

[SharkFinn]

Dont mind the CSL lynch.

Only defense is if you are going by role name alone consider the dead blue down:
Luigi: obv sib rivalry
Jigglypuff: again not even close to pikachu
R.O.B.: ???? Just defected

R.O.B. throws the theory out.

[SharkFinn]

Awaiting last claim....

Then I vote CSL

[SharkFinn]

O and btw, yea R.O.B. fits well. Thanks for catching that.

[SharkFinn]

Pre-emptive @Mod: Prod on Kirbyoshi

[SharkFinn]

Town VOTE: Furry

Oops. forgot this

[SharkFinn]

CSL: you selflynching???

[SharkFinn]

Kirby is a Pokemon Trainer, mason buddy with Fate and I.

Furry, did you miss this?

There's 3 mason buddies???

[SharkFinn]

Lynch Vote: CSL

Bye bye buddy

[SharkFinn]

overkill doesnt hurt...

[SharkFinn]

The forum being down: probably

[SharkFinn]

O right. lol. mothrax has to wait another day. In the mean time, ill just randomly select a player to inspect, hope they dont die and their role name is confirmed/denied.

[SharkFinn]

CSL: got any last words? Selflynching scum?

[SharkFinn]

3 deaths!??!?! Shittttttttttt

[SharkFinn]

O wait.

/me facepalms

forgets about smashball...

[SharkFinn]

also

Townvote: Stels

Without a doubt he's town.

[SharkFinn]

The scum's name is SharkFinn.

Hello.

You damn actor! You're good.

Thanks. I know how to play a good town, especially when I AM TOWN .

So, here's why:
In my previous QT N1-N4, we talked, he definitely seemed townie to me, just like to you. The thing is, he asked me about my role information, I gave it out to him, but he never told me his although we agreed to tell each other what it was before night ended.

A. I didnt get back in time to claim.
B. I had already softclaimed in the forum about both my role name and my alliance.
C. I planned to do it the next night, but turns out its a one night only.

Only after night ended, the mass-fullclaim idea went through and he claimed Ness! As you have seen in my post #1450, there is a pattern to the roles in this entire game. Some have pairs, some don't. What he claimed is proof of my theory. I am town, therefore he is scum. Ness is a part of my universe (Lucas's). My theory suggests that If there are 2 people of the same universe, one of them is scum if they both claimed town.
There is no role name cop. It doesn't exist. SharkFinn only claimed that since he gave us the red Bowser (Bussing?) and CSL today (Bussing?). He knew one of them since he is a part of either of their scumteam. Doesn't it seem unlikely that all the people he targetted were scum from both factions?

Your theory makes some sense but consider:
Falco was a false claim, not the real claim.
Jigglypuff was traitor, but Pokemon trainer and pikachu were both town. Additionally someone didnt claim Lucario, so that doesnt help the pair theory.

Besides, his claim came only after meeting me. Since he needed someone less noticeable as the bad guy, why not pick Ness? Something similar to my clone in Smash Bros.

Again I softclaimed before we talked. Read twilight before mongoose's lynch.

In fact, I'm actually willing to prove that SharkFinn is without a doubt, scum. Here's what I propose we do:
1) You guys lynch me (crazy idea). You get necessary evidence that I'm town, you smash SharkFinn, if he's the last scum, then we win, if not, 1 town NK only.
2) No-Lynch, avoid a mislynch. Smash Shark.

1. Stupid idea, your town and Im town
2. Bad idea also.

No quote's since I'm not sure if I can quote something from my QT or if I can find anything in his posts that looks like scum-scum talk since he's a good talker.

Good luck with that. Im town.

PREVIEW: Haha, see? Already town-voted me, nice. Sorry Shark, but there's no role name cop. Our REAL cop already died.

Yea yea real cop died, blah blah. Im role name cop. It only works on 4 people in this game basically. There are scummier people than me.

Stels: am I traitor or villain?
If I'm traitor, then:
A. How could I risk lynching a villain unless there's a role cop on my team. Considering the size of this game, it'd have to be me.
B. Why would I smash my teammate in manho? Bad bussing???

If I'm villain, then
A. Why would I bus my teammate when the talk was away from him?
B. Why would I smashkill the other mafia?
C. Why would I then bus my teammate again to another lynch? Double bus much?

Me being Traitor is killing off a teammate in the name of clearing myself.
Me being Villain is me leading the way to a village win by raping both mafia teams.

I dont see it, still see you as town.

[SharkFinn]

Have you checked the numbers?

We have 8 players. If Quadz was in fact Red scum (As Sharkfinn's result of Wario would suggest), that would be 4 Red scum dead, 3 blue dead. Yet we had 3 NKs. That would suggest Smash kill + NK from BOTH factions. Thus 5 scum per faction. That would be 1 Red + 2 Blue scum Left.

that's 3/8

According to above theory, mothrax has a >50% chance of scum.

If mothrax is red scum, we remove an NK tonight, if Blue, we even the numbers of scum. Smash + 1/2 NK(s) leaves us at either 1:1:2 (WCS), 2:3 (with blue scum only), or (if we're lucky i.e mothrax=blue + xkills) a win.

If he's town, I can shoot someone scummy tomorrow.

--

Who would you kill?

What if Wario is blue or town though...I mean metaknight was town. King Dedede is a more obv villain pick than Wario. It could easily be 1:1:Village

[SharkFinn]

O right.

Bunnylover is/are the Ice Climbers. Confirms the claim. He isnt villian mafia.

[SharkFinn]

Double bus? It's very likely. I've seen that before from Fate's meta (although you're not him).
Why would you smashkill the other mafia? Pretty damn OBVIOUS. You can't win if the scum team is still alive.
No one claimed Lucario to help the theory? Obviously, since they don't want to be seen as scum when they noticed the pairings. There might not even be a pokemon scum, despite my theory, there could be DDD like kirby said.
Sigh... It may be my lack of actual experience and my persuasion skills, but to me, you are scum and I will try my best to destroy you, Mafia Watcher.

Mafia Watcher?

Unless your think im with blue, then I cant be mafia watcher. Unless you think 2 watchers on one team.

I admire your confidence but yea, not buying it.

[SharkFinn]

I wouldn't be surprised if Shark was scum, considering he rolecopped the person Furry said he was probably going to smash.

I just picked one of the question mark players to find the last Villian mafia (if any/depending on Wario's alliance)

Who do you think I should have inspected?

[SharkFinn]

Stels is town. Why are we lynching him???

and why am I scum?? Why would I epic double bus?

[SharkFinn]

This.

Stels is town. Why are we lynching him???

and why am I scum?? Why would I epic double bus?

He doesn't want me to die because it will confirm his alignment - scum.

Why would scum have fucking neighborizer?!??! That is why you are town?
You = lucas doesnt clear me in any way.
Mafia have janitor and probably goon left.
Why would they have neighborizer.
That's why you are town

[SharkFinn]

Fine, smash the role name cop. It's a complete waste of ths smash.

This is the fail lynch imo.

Stels is town
I am town

This is fail.
The end.

If Bunnylover smashes me, then good luck town, because you are going to put yourself in a deep shit hole. With two scum and 2 villagers in all likelyhood. You might get lucky if scum crosskills.

I am town.
Stels is town.
1 v 1 v 4.
Mafia kills town
1 v 1 v 3
Mafia kills scum/town
1v 3 or 1 v 1 v 2.

Good luck surviving town.
Dont smash me. It's a waste of the smash.

[SharkFinn]

If chrono is scum, then there's 3 scum in this game, making odd worse for us.

[SharkFinn]

Im actually thinking that Furry is blue scum based on his own reasoning. It fits in that perspective.

Anyways smash me if you want. it's going to be a waste. The end.

[SharkFinn]

Then Bunny Smash Him

[SharkFinn]

I'm smashing Shark.

Have fun losing it for the town.
I give up fighting this.
Seem pretty deadset on it.
Waste of a good smashball to me.

[SharkFinn]

A few thoughts:

Sorry Chrono: Had to make the game a little interesting endgame. Which it did.

THe CSL bus was kinda forced by other's claims. I pretty much had to.

I just claimed Role Name Cop, only getting Role Names.

Stels: I SOFTCLAIMED NESS WHEN I WAS LYNCHING MONGOOSE. /end rage

Fun game and enjoyed playing scum for my first time. Now to edit my sig...;_;

[SharkFinn]

Yes, but that was the purpose of the rule, was so that you weren't forced into giving one person the SB just because everyone else had already gotten it.

My interpretation of the rule: The town votes are considered before a player is removed via lynch. Since townvotes have a weight upon the lynch, then nacho should not have recieved the smash ball and it be awarded to tans. That's my interpretation of it. Tans should have kept his vote on himself, which he fucked up there. If he had a vote on himself, he should have won. Because he didnt, he subjected himself to the interpretation of the rules by the mod and he lost for it.