Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[inHimshallibe]

Aim: Erg0

That's a poor vote with weak reasoning.

[inHimshallibe]

dram not taking an immediate stance on gandalf is TELLING.

Never mind, he came back and said something.

We could string up Erg0 while he's gone.

[inHimshallibe]

Holstered: dramonic, Erg0, vezokpiraka, Yosarian2

Let's pick one of these.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm not willing to lynch Gandalf either at this point.
I'd like to hear from the non-posters.

ACTUALLY WAIT. dram uses different language when it comes to his gandalf "read."

Holster
Aim: dramonic

[inHimshallibe]

@Friend: Here is where I got my initial gut read.

What little I've seen of vezok leads me to think that he's more likely to be clueless than a genius of reverse psychology. I guess this could be a genius product of scum groupthink, but I'm leaning away from that. He's probably just set himself up for a nightkill, so I doubt we'll end up needing to work it out one way or t'other.

You're saying he plays this way as town. You're insinuating that you are okay with lynching town.

Sometimes it's ok to be ok with lynching town. Lynching a town PR, on the other hand...

Aim: Seraphim

Emphasis mine.

This was a really poor wagoning vote, and the bolded reasoning Erg0 provided added nothing to the case against Seraphim, it only begged for more votes.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm not sure I understand what you are accusing me of here?

Gandalf is currently a null-read to me, but I'd lean slightly town for now. The others are town

Also, what's the premise to consider voting Yos? he posted ONCE :S

The common theme is that none of the four are voting.

You went out of your way to point town signs to already likely-suspected town players, and failed to give an immediate read on gandalf. BUT, you felt the need to comment on it, like you HAD to. You come back by saying you don't want to lynch him now, which is ENTIRELY different than giving a stance on someone.

[inHimshallibe]

I had solid reads on the first three, while the fourth being the leading wagon, I judged the proper thing was to ISO him. I commented swiftly after for the simple reason that his ISO is ridiculously short.

@Zwet: No, but I feel the need to point out the crackpots that are town by meta feels

I see no town reason for

gandalf... is abnormal.

Why not just come back in the next post and give your thoughts on gandalf?

[inHimshallibe]

zwet, have we played together?

[inHimshallibe]

I don't see it with Friend, either.

Holster
Aim: Friend

[inHimshallibe]

I don't see it with Friend, either.

Holster
Aim: Friend

Sorry, this could be clearer.

I don't get an immense obvtown reaction when I read Friend's posts. However, I don't really see scummy actions. The lack of obvtown is enough for me to wagon.

[inHimshallibe]

Friend really does look obv town. Inhim's probably town too though.

Faraday's opinion is tough to ignore. Who're you voting, again?

[inHimshallibe]

Yos is the only unreadeble one here. (sic)

[inHimshallibe]

For one, the Yos-Friend debate. That definitley should get your opinion.

I think this is a poor talking point, tbh.

[inHimshallibe]

Friend - New playstyle throws me off a bit. Not leaning one way or another ATM, but I'd lump him into my voting bloc if he isn't

Vig'd/lynched.

Emphasis mine.

I'm not sure I agree with RC's quotes, but I see what I pointed out as a slip.

unvote
vote: Andrius

[inHimshallibe]

Friend - New playstyle throws me off a bit. Not leaning one way or another ATM, but I'd lump him into my voting bloc if he isn't

Vig'd/lynched.

The bolded implies either you know(or think, as there's

multiple

recruiters) he's not going to be killed by mafia, which you would have to be mafia to know. The other thing it could imply is that you know(or think, as there's

multiple

recruiters) he can't be killed by the mafia, which again you would only know if you're mafia, in this case with him.
I'd say that's a scum-slip.

Aim: Andrius
For the posting thing, WBA: Dram
MOD: How come we have to have a majority to lynch when we all have guns? Can't we just go around shooting whoever we want?

Yay, someone besides me sees it!

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, I didn't realize I hadn't posted.

Um, post.

Um, I like-a my vote-a.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, I need to pick up my involvement.

The "counter"-wagon on Furcolow: (Porochaz), Erg0, Yosarian2, Lord Gurgi, gandalf, zwet

Well my darling scum pick of Erg0 is here. In all actuality though, I think this may be all-Town IF neither Andrius/dramonic are scum.

[inHimshallibe]

Aka, my role appears here.

STALL

I absolutely loathe this post.

[inHimshallibe]

You've got a whole group of players running around being scummy as shit.

Be specific.

[inHimshallibe]

Holster

[inHimshallibe]

Holster

Go eat some crow while you're at it, inHim.

Play better.

[inHimshallibe]

k that sounds reasonable, Yos.

So who do you suggest we lynch? I'm not down for lynching furcolow.

Double standards, much? LG lays out a N1 plan and you dis it, then Yos does the same and it's now reasonable?

Aim: ReaperCharlie

[inHimshallibe]

For the love of god, Andrius, give us who you investigated.

[inHimshallibe]

Holster

[inHimshallibe]

It sounds like Andrius is effectively a recruitCop, which would make "fending for himself" a reasonable result for someone who hadn't been culted. Unless the mod says otherwise, I don't think this makes RC a viable target.

I really don't think the Furcolow wagon is good. Funnily, it's comprised of almost all older players (MS vets). I'm not sure if that's a sign of lack of experience with VIs more than anything else but it's interesting.

This really makes no sense, if anything the wagon being comprised of vets would make it

more

likely to be accurate.

For more proof, just look at the awesome results that have been produced by the two wagons driven by "newer" players - one outed cop and one outed bodyguard. Good job, fellas.

Oh boy do I not like the tone of this post.

I've had a gutread on you since early on.

Aim: Erg0

[inHimshallibe]

inHim what part of that post do you dislike? I can't say I disagree with any of the points he made.

None of it. But, particularly?

For more proof, just look at the awesome results that have been produced by the two wagons driven by "newer" players - one outed cop and one outed bodyguard. Good job, fellas.

Throws out a bunch of blame, but doesn't really do anything about it. Seems content to point fingers in the face of miswagons.

[inHimshallibe]

You guys aren't calculating that I'm a vigilante, and that I'm planning on vindictively shooting dramonic tonight.

The sadist in me hopes this is all true.

[inHimshallibe]

Bah, Furc claimed VT, right?

Holster
Aim: Furcolow

[inHimshallibe]

Aim: ReaperCharlie

- in the limited time we've had since daybreak, I'm convinced he has been recruited.

[inHimshallibe]

This is why bringing Mafia Discussion into games doesn't work. Leave the theorycrafting outside the game, and we don't have clutter.

Normally, this would lead to a Yosarian2 vote, as he was the first to rev up this discussion. However, Yos2 as a player would bring in discussion in both cases of his alignment, and thus it's an unsatisfying nulltell.

ReaperCharlie is clearly less aggressive. Change in play = recruitment.

[inHimshallibe]

Bah, but does that mean we should lynch him?

Dammit, I think we can only afford to lynch the recruiters themselves. Granted, there could be a limit to the number of recruits they can have, and then they turn into a regular Mafia, with guns and killing and stuff.

Holster

[inHimshallibe]

lol this game.

[inHimshallibe]

Aim: Chronopie

with extreme prejudice.

[inHimshallibe]

Holster

Ugh. I have no actual clue what I'm doing right now. I need to reread.

[inHimshallibe]

Re-Aim: Faraday

I smell desperation.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, my, Friend is scum. He hasn't so much as sneezed at Faraday.

Which one is more likely the recruiter? Let's lynch that one.

[inHimshallibe]

Re-Aim: Faraday

I smell desperation.

Nobody likes being lynched, I assume. I don't see why it's scummy.

Desperation is not the same as not liking being lynched. There's more urgency/disgust in your tone. I read it as caught scum.

[inHimshallibe]

So Yos, I guess you were under the VERY STRONG impression that Furcolow was a cult recruiter yesterday?

You voted for him, in case you don't remember. In fact, you were the 4th one on a wagon of TWELVE, so you were voting for him for quite some time.

I like your posting less and less. This just reeks of some type of trick question that RC will follow up with shoddy reasoning no matter how Yos answers.

We really need to take care of RC at some point.

[inHimshallibe]

Unannounced V/LA over the weekend, sorry. Be back tonight/tomorrow.

[inHimshallibe]

Because I'd assume that the scumbag would've flipped "Brother #1's Mafia" or "Recruited into XXX's Mafia"

This makes sense. It also gives credence to what vezok said D1. Lemme find it.

[inHimshallibe]

So the scum are cult like. The only two scums in the game are the two brothers. They get to recruit a player every night. I don't know what else happens if they do this or what is the drawback. I just assume the two brothers are the bad guys. There could be more. The cult like mechanic is there though.

Actually, this isn't at all how I remembered it.

The flip would imply vezok was lying, right? It seems way too uncontrollable on town's part if both brothers were recruiting for the same mafia.

vote: Robocopter87

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, but it never says the sons are pitted against each other.

This will take more pondering.

[inHimshallibe]

Holster

Alright, so I can believe the mod is being intentionally vague, and I can believe that vezok was crumbing such.

So now.

[inHimshallibe]

Man, reading back through RC and Yos going on about why or why not Yos would be the perfect recruit candidate, and Yos's staunch retorts, I have this deep gut feeling that Yos is actually a recruiter.

[inHimshallibe]

I'll be back tomorrow with a vote.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Yosarian2

Lord Gurgi's side is the town PoV in this most recent conversation between the two. I really think Yos is the recruiter. I'll post over the weekend with substance, but I wanted this to soak in for a bit.

[inHimshallibe]

Sorry, Comcast was dumb. I'll be right back with that research I promised.

[inHimshallibe]

Sorry about the replace-out. I got really slammed with looking for a job and this game was definitely one too many. Glad my scumdar still works. I followed this pretty religiously and thought the game was a nifty read.