Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Chronopie]

/confirm.

I see I missed RVS. Damn.

VOTE: Millar Seems the thing to do right naow.

[Chronopie]

/anti-prod post

where is everyone?

[Chronopie]

Generally a beloved's funeral means the Day phase is skipped, as everyone is attending the funeral instead.

What's the name of the role that results the Night phase skipped? I can't remember.

--

But I'm pretty sure standard beloved role is only a day-skip funeral

if

NK'd?

[Chronopie]

Looking at LW I: there were four role exploded pre-game: Jester, Cultist, Survivor, and Princess. This time only the first three.

That alone leads me to bump millar onto my 'town' list. therefore UNVOTE: Millar

[Chronopie]

L. Ron Hubbard - Cult Leader - Killed Pregame
Carrot Top - Jester - Killed Pregame
Mahatma Ghandi - Neutral Survivor - Killed Pregame

Hannah Montana - Beloved Princess - Killed Pregame

Dead Players (0)

Dane Cook - Jester - Exploded Pregame
Thich Nhat Hahn - Survivor - Exploded Pregame
Jim Jones - Cult Leader - Exploded Pregame

Nup. not confused.

[Chronopie]

Silly, you don't know the meaning of silly.

[Chronopie]

/still here.

Are we playing Deadline = NL, or Deadline = Reduced majority rule?

[Chronopie]

So Rhinox attacks the case on Richard, then votes for a (near) lurker...

Defending a buddy and trying to divert attention?

VOTE: RichardGHP

FoS: Rhinox

[Chronopie]

SV care to claim? /announcing intent to hammer

[Chronopie]

TBH, I keep forgetting about this game. Nothing particularly interesting going on here.

Millar claimed Beloved Princess with Lynch-only effects. Twomz claimed some sort of inventor type role. Did I miss any other claims?

And what are the cases on Charlie, myself, and CSL? (Seeing as we're the leading and 2nd= wagons.)

[Chronopie]

TBH, I keep forgetting about this game. Nothing particularly interesting going on here.

Millar claimed Beloved Princess with Lynch-only effects. Twomz claimed some sort of inventor type role. Did I miss any other claims?

And what are the cases on Charlie, myself, and CSL? (Seeing as we're the leading and 2nd= wagons.)

Here you go:

Chronopie: Information Instead of Analysis (IIoA) in post 653. That earned a iso read of you.

0: wagon hopping on millar
1: anti-prod post already?
2: IIoA
3: IIoA again
4: IIoA again
5: fluff/nonsense
6: anti-prod post and IIoA yet again.

So Rhinox attacks the case on Richard, then votes for a (near) lurker...

Defending a buddy and trying to divert attention?

VOTE: RichardGHP

FoS: Rhinox

This post by chrono is uber-scummy. "Rhinox is scum and defending a buddy and voting someone else to divert attention, so I'm NOT going to vote scum-rhinox?" Doesn't make much logical sense there, since following the chrono logic, Richard is only scum if I am scum. Not only that, chrono admits to (near) lurking? Not only that, were chrono reading instead of pretending to scum hunt, he would see that no where did I attack a case on Richard, and infact I created my own case against richard?

I saw a person with few/no votes (You), defending a likely lynch (Richard), so rather than start an entirely new wagon, I piled on top of the existing wagon on said scummy player (Richard). Richard seemed scummy to a larger number, and I wasn't sure on my read of the situation (and my ability to build a cogent case, from scratch, and gather enough support). If Richard does flip scum, I see you being buddy #1.

[Chronopie]

mmm... cake.

Birthday Cake ftw, be back tomorrow.

[Chronopie]

Massive wall of text incoming. brief pbpa, all 43 pages. it will take some time.

[Chronopie]

Massive wall of text incoming. brief pbpa, all 43 pages. it will take some time.

First off, I honestly doubt you're going to live up to your promise here. Almost all of your post has been completely contentless and scummy. Secondly, care to explain why you weren't here on July 25, 2010 while posting in another ongoing game we're in?

It's going to have to wait for tomorrow. My laptops dying, and I haven't gotten very far. Only about page 7.

--

25/7/10: My 20th birthday (Note: I'm on GMT+12, so you might be thinking of 26/7 afaiac)

[Chronopie]

/prodded.
Thank god for hibernate. power cut dropped my router half way through doing this last night.
Wagon analysis time.

Alive Players (21)

For reference to any replacements part way through

01 Amished

DocPotter

02 rhinox

CryMeARiver

03 nachomamma8
04 Ythan

danakillsu

05 raider8169
06 Super Smash Bros. Fan
08 chronopie
09 Jahudo

Chevre easjo682

10 Pitbunny
11 Twomz
12 CSL
13 EGL
14 millar13
15 RichardGHP
16 Xite91
17 Magua

The King of Eggs

18 Locke Lamora

Reverse Simplicity

19 kmd4390
20 animorpherv1

carneybaby88

21 Charlie
22 holycon

Dead Players (2)
07

Shattered Viewpoint

- Miller - Lynched Day One
23

Diacria

- Vanilla Townie - Died Night One

(Skipping RVS)

Vote Count

Twomz (3) - Pittbunny, kmd4390,

Diacria

millar13 (2) - danakillsu,

Shattered Viewpoint

Diacria

(2) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Charlie
DocPotter (1) - raider8169
nachomamma8 (1) - Twomz
raider8169 (1) - millar13
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) - RichardGHP

Shattered Viewpoint

(1) - nachomamma8
CSL (1) - EGL

So here we have Twomz as the leading wagon. With Millar and

Diacria

next.

Shattered Viewpoint

in a distant third.

Vote Count

Twomz (3) - Pittbunny, kmd4390,

Diacria

Diacria

(3) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Charlie, millar13
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2) - RichardGHP,

Shattered Viewpoint

Shattered Viewpoint

(2) - nachomamma8, danakillsu
DocPotter (1) - raider8169
CSL (1) - EGL

Still Twomz, but

Diacria

has drawn alongside, Millar wagon has died completely.

Shattered Viewpoint

in 3rd=

Vote Count

Twomz (4) - Pittbunny, kmd4390,

Diacria

,

Shattered Viewpoint

Shattered Viewpoint

(3) - nachomamma8, danakillsu, EGL
millar13 (2) - RichardGHP, chronopie
Reverse Simplicity (2) - raider8169, millar13

Diacria

(2) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Charlie

Shattered Viewpoint

jumped on the other (relatively) major wagon.

Vote Count

Shattered Viewpoint

(4) - nachomamma8, danakillsu, EGL, Chevre
RichardGHP (3) - Amished, kmd4390, holycon
danakillsu (2) - Rhinox, millar13
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2) -

Diacria

,

Shattered Viewpoint

millar13 (2) - RichardGHP, chronopie

Diacria

(2) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, twomz
raider8169 (1) - Charlie
twomz (1) - pittbunny
charlie (1) - raider8169

Twomz wagon dies down, Richard Wagon grows.

Shattered Viewpoint

leads.

Vote Count

Shattered Viewpoint

(4) - nachomamma8, danakillsu, EGL, chevre
RichardGHP (3) - Amished, kmd4390, holycon
raider8169 (2) - Charlie, rhinox
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2) -

Diacria

,

Shattered Viewpoint

millar13 (2) - RichardGHP, chronopie

Diacria

(2) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Twomz
Amished (1) - raider8169
danakillsu (1) - millar13
twomz (1) - pittbunny

No major change in leading wagons

Vote Count

raider8169 (6) - Charlie, rhinox, Amished, Pittbunny, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Chevre

Shattered Viewpoint

(3) - nachomamma8, danakillsu, EGL
Super Smash Bros Fan (2) -

Shattered Viewpoint

, xite91
Amished (1) - raider8169
danakillsu (1) - millar13
Chronopie (1) -

Diacria

millar13 (1) - chronopie
RichardGHP (1) - holycon

Diacria

(1) - Twomz

Raider wagon forms, fairly abruptly.

Vote Count

raider8169 (7) - Charlie, rhinox, Amished, pittbunny, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Chevre, nachomamma8
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2) -

Shattered Viewpoint

, xite91

Shattered Viewpoint

(2) - danakillsu, EGL
Amished (1) - raider8169
Chronopie (1) -

Diacria

RichardGHP (1) - holycon

Diacria

(1) - Twomz

Raider wagon.

Vote Count

raider8169 (8) - Charlie, Rhinox, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Chevre, nachomamma8, RichardGHP, CSL, Pittbunny
CSL (4) - millar13, Twomz, animorpherv1, Amished

Shattered Viewpoint

(2) - danakillsu, EGL
RichardGHP (2) - holycon, Xite91
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) -

Diacria

Raider lynch looks fairly likely.

Shattered Viewpoint

wagon diminished.

Vote Count

raider8169 (6) - Charlie, Chevre, nachomamma8, RichardGHP, CSL, kmd4390

Shattered Viewpoint

(4) - danakillsu, EGL, Magua, Super Smash Bros. Fan
CSL (4) - millar13, Twomz, animorpherv1, Amished
RichardGHP (3) - holycon, Xite91, raider8169
Xite91 (2) - pittbunny, rhinox
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) -

Diacria

All of a sudden, the wagons begin to turn back around.

Vote Count

raider8169 (5) - Charlier, Chevre, nachomamma8, RichardGHP, CSL
CSL (5) - millar13, twomz, animorpherv1, amished,

Diacria

Shattered Viewpoint

(4) - Ythan, EGL, Magua, Super Smash Bros. Fan
RichardGHP (4) - holycon, Xite91, raider8169, kmd4390
Xite91 (2) - pittbunny, rhinox
Super Smash Bros Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

5/5/4/4. from likely lynch to just one of four.

A lynch has occured

Vote Count

Shattered Viewpoint

(12) - Ythan, EGL, Magua, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Amished, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon, towmz, animorpherv1, pittbunny, millar13
raider8169 (3) - Chevre, nachomamma8, CSL
RichardGHP (3) - Xite91, raider8169, chronopie
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) - rhinox
CSL (1) -

Diacria

Bam. SV lynched w/out claiming.

So raider, the likely early wagon, get turned around. of the early jumpers to the SV wagon, SSBF was the one without much reason.

Basically, I agree with the cases from my top three suspects, but I think

Shattered Viewpoint

is the best choice for a lynch.

VOTE: SSBF

Millar hammered entirely without reason, without waiting for a claim. The only reason I'm not voting him, is because of his Princess claim.

HoS: Millar

[Chronopie]

V/LA until home internet is restored.

[Chronopie]

CPR-Dco protects a target, when the traget would be NK'd. Else, CPR-Doc kills target. rite?

So if Ythan used his one-shot kill on Millar, then Richard didn't use his ability. At all. Which goes against what he claimed.

VOTE: Richard

[Chronopie]

/prodded. Shortly before I was going to post myself anyway.

The whole debate for today is

CPR

Doc (Richard) + One-Shot Vig invention (Ythan) both claimed targeting Millar. Millar Died. Therefore, Either the one-shot was protection bypassing (see: juggernaut ftr: Nothing indicated such bypassing) or one/both is lying. Richard has seemed consistently scummier than Ythan. Therefore I'm surprised that Richard isn't a'swinging by the neck yet.

Ythan's OS-Vig is confirmed by the fact that Twomz-inventor and Ythan both claimed the item having passed hands. Ythan claims it's been used. idk if being RB'd would nullify the item, but the fact remains that he

claims

it's gone.

Richard's

claim

of CPR-Doc is yet to be verified. Yet if Ythan actually targeted Millar for a Kill, then Richard should have

protected

Millar.

[Chronopie]

Thus my post indicting such. Good to have verification of my assumption though

[Chronopie]

/prodded.

I don't see anything new to comment on.

Apart from Esurio showing up. Hai. A fresh set of eyes will do wonders.

[Chronopie]

Why is the day dragging on so long?

It's like a cop and his guilty, you don't lynch outside the pair. (At least you shouldn't)

[Chronopie]

g'morning everybody.

[Chronopie]

Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, as I have a group presentation to work on. posting this across all games.

[Chronopie]

KMD- “Batt what information would you get from a richard town flip.”

Since I believe the initial Richard wagon formed too quickly and most likely had scum on it or had intention to vote (regardless of Richard's alignment), knowing the alignment would shift focus to how scum would act with the wagon and away from how scum would react to their partner's wagon. These posts right here is the information I received and the reason I didn't want to post it in twilight was to prevent WIFOM (scum could kill me for being right or for being wrong) and I didn't want to chance the town's reaction.

Charlie 1634- logic fail. Just because he killed millar (a townie btw), doesn't mean Ythan didn't due it as scum (though there were better targets if his plan was to kill people who are considered more likely town by the town.

Holycon 1639- Notes my joke vote/reaction. Doesn't take a stance buts wants people to notice it.

Ythan 1670- elaborate please, the post you are commenting on focuses on myself, ani, and plum. Which part was too scummy too be scum and do you find it scummy?

Xite 1690- That line is what was the focus of our exchange yesterday. What I think is tripping Nacho up is that what you actually posted was that Richard is confirmed town based on what happened the day before. Then you go on to night speculation. What I think, you think, is that the certain actions that would lead to Richard as being confirmed town is what you posted after you said Richard is confirmed town (the nightkill speculation). You confirming Richard should have came after the nightkill speculation in that post, not before.

Plum 1697- Before I started rereading the thread, I read the final vote count of the previous day. Then when Ythan claimed to have killed Millar, I found it hard to believe he would kill someone he didn't suspect enough to vote against. I unvoted due to Ythan saying Millar claimed day-BP.


Ythan, please participate. You said you had more time for the game, but you've done nothing today and little yesterday.

..........................

I believe once scum knew there was a counter claim, they believed one of the two would be lynched. I think they would jump on early. I left out Ythan since he counterclaimed and I believe town/scum would vote Ricard then, equally.

Locke vote is early, however he backs up his vote with previous day actions (though vague).

(Locke)

SSBF's vote is early as well. This whole post strikes me as off. Wants Richard to share his information, but is voting him. This is telling me he thinks Richard is scum (the vote) but at the same time talks to Richard as if he is town. That, combined with stating he supports a lynch on 3-4 others if Richard doesn't get lynched puts him as more likely scum than Locke.

(SSBF>Locke)

Xite's vote is only the 4th (based on the number of players not actual number of votes). With so many still alive, I would classify this as early. I do not like the fact that you expected Ythan to counter claim, but earlier you state you are more apt to believe Richard is town due to meta (however you then go on
to say he is either scum or a detriment to the town and should be lynched).

(SSBF>Xite>Locke)

Jahudo vote is early (player wise, but vote wise is mid to near end). Doesn't give reason for why. However he waits for a vote count before voting (or a confirmation that it wasn't too near end.

(SSBF>Xite>Jahudo>Locke)

Chrono puts wagon at L-2 and uses IIoA (seems to shrug off commenting on whether Richard is scummy and sticks to it being impossible for him to be telling the truth based on his claimed role).

(SSBF>Chrono>Xite>Jahudo>Locke)

Ani puts Richard at L-1, with no reason why, though unvotes when notices it is L-1

(SSBF>Ani>Chrono>Xite>Jahudo>Locke)

Amished has intent to hammer. Questions Richard, even though he doesn't seem to care about the answer. I see no reason why he wouldn't hammer, then if he was town.

(SSBF>Ani>Chrono>Amished>Xite>Jahudo>Locke)

Magua doesn't explicitly claim to want to hammer Richard but states doesn't want day to end, so I believe he was thinking of hammering.

(SSBF>Ani>Chrono>Amished>Xite>Jaudo>Locke>Magua)

Holycon doesn't issue a want to vote for Richard, but he does believe Ythan over Richard. Logic fail in post, calling Ythan town for having a power. I find this in and of itself scummy.

Vote: SSBF

for now. I like having my vote out without it being backed up by random. Will focus more of a case tomorrow as I gotta get home.

Holy Wallpost of QFT.

My Assertion was that

IF

Ythan = One Shot Vig

AND

Richard = CPR-Doc,

THEN

Millar =/= Dead. Result: False. Therefore one of Ythan or Richard was lying about role. Ythan seemed townier.

And Richard flipped VT. Therefore he was lying

Scum

Town. (But seriously, wtf did he claim CPR-Doc for?)

[Chronopie]

Chrono- To me, it seemed like you weren't giving any input, just restating facts and using the facts to say this is the truth. You don't comment on past play by Richard, why Richard would lie, whether you believe the Ythan claim over a Richard claim and why. That, to me, seems like you are getting rid of responsibility because facts cannot be disputed, whereas what you feel and why can be.

I can accept this reasoning. It actually is fairly close to my actual reasons. I felt the fact, being indisputable, as they were, were a better case than I could make by myself. Although I do/would take responsibility, should I misinterpret said facts.

I didn't see the point behind posting my own opinions on Richard's/Ythan's play, as the facts (there's that word again), clearly pointed to a certain sequence of events (failing to) transpire, thus my opinions, which are fair more mutable, and open to individual interpretation, would have been extraneous.

[Chronopie]

/prodded. Again.

tbqh, I'm not up to date with this game.

--

Still feel that Ythan's town, so insert "Baaa" here.

Vote: SSBF

[Chronopie]

/prodded. again.

Lol at Amished's not-a-scumslip fail-reading debacle.

But Plum's defence of Amished wasn't a "look at the whole post" it was "no that's not a tell." Sounds like scum defending a buddy, or scum defending a townie for town cred.

Either way, scummy.

UNVOTE: SSBF
VOTE: Plum

I think we've actually caught one this time.

[Chronopie]

I think we've actually caught one this time.

So what did you think of SSBF then?
Why the hell do bandwagons always pick up AFTER I take my vote off the player?

I was proxying my vote to Ythan. No strong opinion on SSBF, Strong Town read on Ythan.

But this plum scum read is clear.

[Chronopie]

Hai Fishy.

Your slot replaced out while under pressure, and didn't claim. Do so, or feel much wrath.

[Chronopie]

Semi-V/LA over the next week or so, until I get full internet access back.

intermittant posting until then.

[Chronopie]

hai guys.

A quick glance over what's happened since I announced my V/LA (which isn't over btw)...

Plum and KMD are blowing the Batt thing way out of proportion. I feel that Plum's 'Sense of surety' of what's genuinely scummy needs a recalibration.
Fishy BS'd to avoid being lynched.

Given that Fishy, Plum, and Batt are 3 of my four lowest/scummiest reads, that's funny. KMD's rather high on my town reads though, so I'm not sure if I need to reassess at least a few of my reads.

--

Just off the cuff, at least 3 of {

Fishy

|

Plum

| Locke |

Batt

| Rhinox | Holycon} are probably scum. Rhinox has been bugging me for days, but I can't explain it. Locke and Holy just don't ring true.

[Chronopie]

Staying in the background... As in playing in such a way as to make other players ignore them?

Lets face it, Ani's play was

bad.

Playing to the "Too Scummy to be Scum" Fallacy maybe?

[Chronopie]

Hell. I'm here right now, not sure when I'll be able to get back on, Ani's play sucked, was definitely lynch-worthy, and Fishy hasn't convinced me otherwise.

VOTE: Fishy x2

[Chronopie]

KMD's assertion that Ani was attempting to stay in the background can, from my POV, be equated with playing in such a way as to be ignored.

If I were to vote hop, present BS cases, ignore questions, etc. etc. I'd be called scummy. rite?

If I did it

ALOT

, consistently across games, it's a terrible, terrible, anti-town meta.

Playing to said meta, people say "oh that's just how he always plays. it's scummy as fuck, but it's just him.

ignore

him."

Thus "too scummy to be scum" = background

[Chronopie]

^I assume there was a point to that?

(and [ s ] strikeout [ /s ] tags are your friend.)

[Chronopie]

My condolences, Amished.

I think Fishy's catchup is pretty good, actually. His points about those SV wagon-hoppers hit the mark in particular. I think Chronopie's vote is weak and now that Fishy's actually defending himself and scumhunting, he's trying to get the Fishy lynch through as quick as possible.

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

bahahaha. Me? Pushing a quick lynch?

You've never played with me, have you?

1) I unvote before anyone hammers, so we can hear claims etc. etc.

2) People pushing a quicklynch need to be convincing, charasmatic, etc. etc. and actually give a damn about constructing a case for everyone to see all the gory details in their full glory, thus sheep it without

just

having to take the quicklyncher's word for it. I don't do that kind of thing.

3) You're just bitter that you're in my bottom 6, aren't you?

==

Sorry to hear that Amished, my thoughts go with you.

[Chronopie]

tbh, I don't see a Plum-KMD link at all.

Plum is scummy. KMD is not.

[Chronopie]

^Reasons would help, ya'know?

[Chronopie]

I see I'm at L-1

I'm the

real

Doc.

Which is why I pushed Richard's Fakeclaiming

Scummy

town ass so hard.

But CPR-Doc isn't worth cc-ing, as CPR can be a vig. (Silly VT.)

--

@Jahudo: By Ani, I assume you mean fish? And I think that Ani/Fish is a better lynch than Plum, although both are in my bottom 6. And can you link back to your case?

[Chronopie]

And I've been protecting:

D1: KMD
D2-5: Ythan

(I should have been covering Twomz D2, in hindsight)

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: Nights, not days. and I plan to continue protecting Ythan, as long as I live. (which prob won't be much longer)

[Chronopie]

EBWODP: And if you plan lynching me anyway, give me time to get my will in order.

[Chronopie]

GJ Scum.

I have to admit I lost interest in this game along the way, thus my lurking.