EBWOP: I commited a mistake. Here is my actual post:
Catching up since page 19, up to page 23 as of now. Not much time, sorry.
WARNING: WALLPOST.
xRECKONERx, 452 wrote:Framm's iso #7 is really what struck me scummiest on my reread. He pops in to say that he hasn't finished a read yet but has enough time to throw down a FOS on vezokpiraka, aka captain easylynch.
Then he goes on to attack TL, which as we all know, is ANOTHER easylynch.
Then he kinda retracts his FOS on vezok after he catches flak for it by saying 'oh i wasnt gonna vote him if i was id have done it already lulz'. Then why even FOS him in the first place?
Huh? I don't understand your reasoning here.
I'm gonna reread Framm's ISO, but this reasoning seems somewhat weak.
Parama, 455 wrote:Why does voting easylynch = scum?
Can't easylynches be scum, too?
Voting easylynch is scummy, as the scum can just look like making a real case by putting something shitty.
However, yeah, the easylynchees can perfectly be scum. And that's what I do hate about dealing with VIs; you're damned if you do lynch one, but you're damned if one of them is actually scum.
AGar, 463 wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:AGar, what's your take on the Framm wagon? I'm in Parama's boat.
Reck's kinda helping me out a little, but I want your view too.
- Testing the waters on the easy lynch with Vezok, with a weak FoS.
- Backtracking the issue with a "Why wouldn't have I voted him yet?" Like Reck said, then why FoS?
- Subpoint: He FoSed vezo, which said he was even slightly suspicious of him. However, he left his vote parked on Ani, his RVS target. The FoS was bullshit so he didn't get called out for voting Vezo and testing the waters.
- General lacking of pro-town motivation and thought processes in his posts.
- Pretty well active lurking in-so-far.
Reck beat me to the punch. Confirmation post isn't really a big deal for me, but the poaching the Vezok wagon so weakly is a biggie.
This seems like an interesting point as well, altough many of these points seem like just "jumping into conclussions".
Again, gotta reread Framm.
Me=Weird, 466 wrote:Eh. The framm case seems better than the katsuki one. I think my vote was actually more of a subconscious grudge vote from another game. This one makes more sense.
Unvote, Vote: Framm 18
This vote does seem somewhat opportunistic if you ask me.
Slight FoS: M=W
Framm 18 wrote:[AGar's aforementioned post]
1. I found it more anti-town than scummy, but scummy enough to FOS him. (Sound familiar)
2. Read 1.
3. Been busy and lazy, been intending to read through more ISOs and just haven't gotten to it, Vezok and TL were the 1st couple that I read.
4. Same thing can be said about several players. So why does that make me more scummy than anyone else? (And don't bring up the Vezok, thing again.
5. I am active lurking, but I do that in all my games, I tend to stay quiet in games.
I am going to echo Parama, why can't easylynches be scum? I think that I have already asked this.
I would like to place $500 on the fact that this game will pick up speed soon.
3. Oh well (I guess). I'm having the same trouble.
4. Don't redirect the accusation. Improve your own playing then.
5. Please don't active lurk (*slaps self for hypocrisy*).
Katsuki, 483 wrote:I agree with much of Ager's case against framm.
Unvote, Vote Framm
Reck, you seem to be unusually focused on dram a lot this game. Aside from out-of-game reasons, why?
Katsuki has been pretty much wagon-hopping now. And all of the hops without reason.
FoS: Katsuki
DemonHybrid, 488 wrote:Parama wrote:unvote, vote: Kat
opportunistic more
Then why not suspect me? I agreed with AGar's case too.
I'm getting this sinking deja-vu feeling right about now...
Katsuki's vote basically came out of nowhere. While I've not completely read, you actually seemed to have a case, while Katsuki came from the blue with yet another vote hop.
Well, that's what I think.
dramonic, 492 wrote:You know, my reasons to vote Mafuyu are more about not voting Kat and less about voting her.
Kat gives me town vibe (OMG BUDDYING!)
*head explodes*
vezo and Mafuyu keep wagon-hopping with no reasons. lol?
xRECKONERx, 515 wrote:-1 AGar
He's gonna break my scum-to-town-ometer if he keeps making excellent posts.
Yeah. AGar seems to be among the very few players actually on MS which will ACTUALLY play a game instead of turning it into spamfest.
AGar, 519 wrote:Yeah, but my point wasn't that scums look like they're trying to do the right thing.
Scums try to do the right thing.
Towns just do it. Like nike bro.
Not a point.
I don't get it.
vezokpiraka, 535 wrote:I was not vanirra.
I have a post rimit.
Heh. Thank you very much, Capt. obvious...
Lady Lambdadelta, 537 wrote:Maemuki wrote:pacman281292 wrote:That's not spanish. Which language is it?
And welcome here.
Portuguese.
Hau au~ Au au~
(Don't worry. I'll just use [red] tags. WOO-HOO.)
Okay, so anybody can tell me what are the <3 lynches so I can vote for them. My brain is fried today.
Barring a massive scum slip, or some sort of revalation, it would appear Framm and Katsuki are the choices.
I must say, there is a very persistant case on Framm. And the more this case gets brought up, the more his posts seem scummy...
I just don't want to like, wagon hop.
In addition, I would also prefer if the facts brought up against Katsuki not be left alone should Framm be the lynchee.
??????
If you do actually have reasons to switch wagons, you can do so. Not doing so in fear of being branded as wagon-hopping scum is just plain useless.
Now, Mafuyu does look like active lurking there. wth.
Lady Lambdadelta, 541 wrote::S
Gomen Nasai. I think that statement was taken the wrong way. I was just trying to explain my reasons for not switching votes, when it seems like Framm is a more solid lynch. I want to be able to play more than 2 days in this game, as it is my first. -shrugs- This will probably make me look more scummy... But all Im trying to do is ensure that I don't make some kinda of dumb accusation, which will lead to a wasted lynch on me, which in turn means I can no longer play in the game >.<
Does that make sense? :S
No it doesn't.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:There exists the possibility that easy lynch is scum.
However, it can also be said that
scum will want to persue an easy lynch.
Therefor, it can be said that is a high majority of cases, either the target or the voter will be scum.
This does not solve anything however. Allow me to elaborate more.
It is more likely that a scum will target a townie for a lynch, than a townie will target a mafia member.
This can be proven through simple probability.
Ergo, it is more likely that you are mafia for wanting to seek an easy lynch, than it is you are town, lynching a mafia.
Does this make sense?
First part clearly does sense. Second part does not make sense so much, actually.
"easy lynches" can perfectly be scum, but mafia will try to pursue them by poor reasons instead of actually trying to conclude the "easy lynch" is actual scum, and not a VI.
This post does look like AtE, and while the fact it was brought up with alomst null pressure boggles me, this post is still poor.
Slight FoS: LLD
Katsuki, 545 wrote:No, the theory itself is fine. The fonts annoy me because I still can't remember which color is which.
Also, your lynch target statement is quite the sitting on the fence as well as leaving a backdoor open... as in, if anything happens to framm wagon, you can easily slip back onto me...
Reck is most likely town. So is Ager. Will do a full town-read later today.
*goodposting*
Awaiting to see this read (and asking you to do so if you haven't done it).
Then the above post comes after this.
