Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Faraday]

My point is that the knowledge you revealed is basically generally available. You've soft claimed already (which I don't like) and are willing to claim straight away even to prove information which doesn't need proving. What I'm saying is that all you stand to do is win brownie points or endanger yourself. Neither is particularly good.

I'll link the thread I'm referencing if that's alright with you, Flay.

I've seen this thread too. On the other hand I don't think Vezo has, and as such I think he's probably trying to be helpful with his information. I think he's likely town.

Sera - I don't see anything anti-town about Vezo's play thus far. What do you mean? I don't think outing his info was a bad thing, it's always good to be sure when cult mechanics are in play.

[Faraday]

Do you mean rarely comes from town, or town as in a good idea, Gurgi?

[Faraday]

Derp I'm an idiot and missing the obvious, I don't think vezo's play was good now but I don't find it scummy.

[Faraday]

Seraphim's town but not because he's replacing out.

Furclow's an idiot but I'm leaning town.

[Faraday]

You're saying he plays this way as town. You're insinuating that you are okay with lynching town.

Sometimes it's ok to be ok with lynching town. Lynching a town PR, on the other hand...

Aim: Seraphim

Don't really see a difference if you believe they'll hurt the town long term.

Aim: Reapercharlie

he's scum.

[Faraday]

Who the fuck's me=weird? he's not even posted yet.

[Faraday]

Yeah, but calling him town without him posting would be impossible, no? It turns out he replaced Seraphim so that explains it.

I don't think you can say Frank is scum or town based off of this.

Well maybe not definitively, but I definitely think he's more likely town.

Don't like your vote on Friend, he seems town. What are you seeing that I'm not, prozac?

[Faraday]

I said what I saw, absolutes. How does he know who is town or not?

You're not really thinking expressing confident in a read belies inside knowledge are you? That seems quite a ridiculous stretch. I also called Sera town, I've no inside knowledge.

Reaper's vote is really bad, but then again he's scum so, etc.

[Faraday]

Oh I already told flay and posted it in my other games but Imma be v/la from thursday to sunday w/ no posting. Going to Electric Picnic.

[Faraday]

Its not confidence. Confidence is "I think person X is town". Knowing something is "Person X is town". I see it as a scumtell. Its not a ridiculous stretch at all. Making absolute comments when as town you cannot make absolute comments makes no sense.

Course you can make absolute comments, I mean they may not be right but that's hardly the point. Have you ever mentioned anything like this in your other games offhand? If you can't remember I'll go search I guess, as this seems a weird position for me and I think you're throwing dirt on Friend for no reason.

Me=W's case is pretty bad. Andrius I didn't make your list either.

[Faraday]

ugh.

edit by way of spastic : ugh

[Faraday]

Guys calm it down a little. Jesus I'll never catch up after my V/la at this rate.

[Faraday]

Furc's just a huge fucking massive VI. I do think he's town though so don't want him lynched. But fuck his refusing to give meta sums him up.

Gandalf looks honest enough in his pursuit of furc though, leaning town on him too atm.

[Faraday]

Friend really does look obv town. Inhim's probably town too though.

[Faraday]

ReaperCharlie - read him in Iso, there's not a lot to get through. Can't say I'm a big fan of anyone on the Friend wagon though.

...
Friend and Faraday - why is Seraphim town? What evidence do you have for such a strong opinion?

General way he was posting, plus the way he replaced out. Also he mentioned Vezok possibly concocting this plan with his scumbuddies, if I understand the game mechanics there probably wouldn't be any scumbuddies since they'd be recruiting and I think this is prob a town tell.

Faraday 286 - it seems to me that with two brothers there are two scum groups, so we can't necessarily exclude people from being scum based on scum hunting.

Yeah I've been through this before and I don't really agree, I thinkeven with possible multiscum you can still differentiate between town/and scum looking for scum.

[Faraday]

TL is your scumdar really bad or are you scum here?

Someone's going to need to explain just why 389 is scummy, like in any way. (it's not, but I look forward to people trying to paint it as such)

The Friend wagon's incredibly bad, actually, unbelievable really. Idk why the fuck people can't see that Friend is town.

[Faraday]

Don't be silly vezok.

uh, people usually DO need to explain themselves to be accepted as correct.

what's this related to? it's certainly not an explanation for why it's scummy, so I'm not sure what the point is.

Are you scum here zwet?

[Faraday]

I see the case against him as being really weak. Saying 'X is town' isn't a scumtell. So I don't buy that. I'm not sure the other points against him, actually, or even if there is any.

[Faraday]

388 doesn't doa lot for me. I think it's pretty unfair to say he's provided no content, I think saying X is town or Y is scum is content. It's the main thing that matters really. IDK the whole thing seems to be you disagreeing with the way he plays.

[Faraday]

Yosarian must be making a monster post, he's been viewing the forum the last while.

[Faraday]

I think prozac believes what he's saying here, not sure he couldn't neccessarily do this and still push it as a scum agenda but I tend to think this is how he legit sees it. Seems pointless to continue the back and forth.

@ Friend I think there could be some information gained from who people would recruited, yes it's WIFOM but I don't think it's entirely unhelpful, personally.

Andrius why is Reapercharlie town, or why are you so confident in it? Meta?

[Faraday]

i'm wondering if you could fake that vote on yos as scum as it strikes me as townish.

holster

[Faraday]

I'm off, will be on limited/no access for 5 days. looks like i'll have some but prepare for the worst and all that.

[Faraday]

repercharlie's avatar is horrible b/c it reminds me of looker.

wow need to catch up here, will be later though.

[Faraday]

Andrius 607 is scummy. There's a lot of 'Not sure's there. Way too many for 30 or so odd pages.

[Faraday]

Alliance time.

Me, Friend, furcolow, zwet, ani, and inHim.

Applications are being accepted.

Ihim and Friend are yes's. Furclow's town but not alliance worthy. Your play seems to have remarkably jumped in to the town column (I like the andy case). Also do you think Andrius would be more inclined to buddy you as scum due to your priors of getting him lynched (I say yes, btw). Ani and Zwet are very far from obv town. What are you seeing?

BLEH i gtg. I'll catch up later, sorry about this. Moving back to uni today.

[Faraday]

I like your subtle inference that Andrius is scum this game, btw.

And if you think Andrius is buddying me, go ISO him and you'll see that he's doing anything but.

Back this up or shut the fuck up. Where have I been subtle inferring he's scum? Oh right, that post where I just said he was scummy was real subtle.

The point of your voting block in this particular game sucks, mostly because I don't trust some of the players (even if they are town) to not act like complete fucking idiots.

[Faraday]

And of course Andrius has been buddying you, what game are you reading?

[Faraday]

I'm going to ignore you Porochaz untill you stop commenting on playstyle. OK?

What Erg0 found is definitley scummy on Furc.

Hey guys, can we lynch Porochaz? Everything pro-town he has done now means nothing since the start of wanting to lynch Friend via playstyle. Voting and commention on Playstyle =/= pro-town.

Holster, Aim:Porochaz

Wait, what? I'm seeing some sort of disconnect here, you're basically wanting to lynch Prozac for his playstyle.IIRC he finds Friend scummy, classifying it as a complete playstyle vote isn't really correct at all. I like Prozac's line of enquiry re: Ani, and I agree with it.

Most of Gurgi's posts have been useless, so it's pretty hypocritical for him to talk about others playstyles. I dunno, he seems genuinely apathetic towards the game but that can as easily come from scum as town, lack of doing anything is scummy though.

You all sadden me. I'd much rather have the kurker die than someone who will actually be posting content.

Killing scum is always much better, actually.

Not seeing the dram wagon here, someone's going to need to explain it to me. He's been lurking and stuff, but he's pretty obviously busy and it matches up with his other games pretty well.

Aim Andrius

Ooba and xvart are looking pretty town here ITT so I'd add them to the already townie townies.

[Faraday]

And of course Andrius has been buddying you, what game are you reading?

I'm reading this game:

<garbage>

Which game are YOU reading?

he's been calling you town since his first post, stop playing stupid.

[Faraday]

Reaper's vote is really bad, but then again he's scum so, etc.

Here it is again, but you still never explained. I'm assuming you're not still RVSing at this point due to you making valid points against other people.

So.... ?

Are you disputing the fact your vote was bad? Because haha if so. And I don't 'RVS'. My votes are serious. Your earlier posts were scummy, what is there to explain?

[Faraday]

TOWN:
Faraday
Friend
Furclow
Inhim
Ooba
Prozac
RC
M=W
Vezok
Xvart

Sorta Town:
Yos
Erg0
Dram

No real read on Gandalf or Ani atm. Probably have a better than average chance of being scum all things considered.

Scummy:
Andrius
Gurgi
TheLonging
Zwet

[Faraday]

Reaper's vote is really bad, but then again he's scum so, etc.

Here it is again, but you still never explained. I'm assuming you're not still RVSing at this point due to you making valid points against other people.

So.... ?

Are you disputing the fact your vote was bad? Because haha if so. And I don't 'RVS'. My votes are serious. Your earlier posts were scummy, what is there to explain?

Here, let me direct you to my

post 564

, which clearly shows that you had no case, and clearly shows that ooba sheeped your non-case.

Or did you already read that post and are choosing to ignore it?

Lmao you can't talk circles around this one, I'll just keep coming back to the topic dude.

Maybe I should just ask: What was scummy about what I had already posted?

go get a dictionary and look up the definition of clearly, is my first advice. it doesn't mean what you think it means here. All you showed in the linked post was...nothing? I'm not responding to some sort of trash about me not being able to form a read off of you based on 3 posts. 'I'd only posted this at the time', I don't expect you to be able to judge your own scumminess (well not at that stage)so your own opinion on the matter didn't really matter.

your first post is scummy for posting non game relevant when there was something to talk about (vezok posted his 'info' thing right before you. second one is nothing worth noting either way and the third post is ridiculous as a way to throw dirt on someone.

you then increased in scumminess due to ignoring my vote for so long and then randomly voting me for 'a disturbance' aka your suspicion looked extremely faked giving the timing of it.

why are you asking why I voted you NOW instead of back then though?

[Faraday]

ROFL @ faraday's list.

I'll have one of my own up in a while.

my list is great, please stop embarrassing yourself.

[Faraday]

What makes me scummy?

Random Number Generator. (Gut)

[Faraday]

ROFL @ faraday's list.

I'll have one of my own up in a while.

my list is great, please stop embarrassing yourself.

+ hurting my feelings.

[Faraday]

dram's town let's lynch andrius.

[Faraday]

You'd want to draw RB's as much as possible, so I'd say keep them guessing.

Plus, if they have any framers, they'll know exactly who to hit then.

Unless you lie about your proposed target, of course.

Yeah, the cop would definitely want to be roleblocked as much as possible. Sterling cop play right there. I mean ...wait what?

k that sounds reasonable, Yos.

So who do you suggest we lynch? I'm not down for lynching furcolow.

But Yos completely ignored the posibillity of the roleblocker, something you evidently haven't done? What about that?

Gurgi I'll have to get back to you on the wagon situation. I've not read all the pages of the thread. I think lynching dram is a bad move as he's town and there's little harm in letting Andrius live for today as it's better to keep a scummy cop around.

[Faraday]

I'd prefer a zwet or TL lynch. Not a fan of furc being lynched, he's not town because he's a VI, but I think his VIness has been town in a horribly scummy sort of way so far.

[Faraday]

Okay Andrius is probably town. His early play makes some more sense in the context of his claimed role. I'm off to bed now, more tomorrow.

[Faraday]

We have been talking about two recruiters.
Not two factions. You said there are two factions. We don't know this. Therefore you must be scum.

2 recruiters in the same faction is plausible to you?

[Faraday]

Not a fan of furc being lynched, he's not town because he's a VI, but I think his VIness has been town in a horribly scummy sort of way so far.

This makes less sense to me than just about every other post in this thread.

It makes perfect sense, people keep saying he's not town because he's a VI. I'm agreeing. I think his play has been scummy, but it makes more sense to me as town. But then again, was that all you could find to comment on in the whole game?

[Faraday]

/headdesk

Multiple Recruiters pretty much means multiple factions.

Ninja edit: I dont like the route of passing off VI as townie. It makes it easy for players to get away with well... murder. As people just go "he's a VI" he

would

do that as town. Also as you can guess by my almost daily rants, I don't think rewarding bad play is a good idea. He has acted scummy, he should be treated as such. VI's can be scum too you know.

Well yeah, obviously they can but I don't like lynching people I think are town when there's alternative scummy targets.

[Faraday]

[bAim :]Zwet[/b]

do we've time to get this done or what? We should try.

[Faraday]

Aim Zwet

[Faraday]

[bAim :]Zwet[/b]

do we've time to get this done or what? We should try.

Why?

Zwet's looked town to me. Why do you think he's scum?

Yeah, I saw you say that and I just don't see it. I've read him in ISO and my gut just screams scum.

Because I find his scumbuddies suspicious

Which scumbuddies are these then?

[Faraday]

Holster. Aim: reaper charlie

We should have time for this ..

I sympathise, but I do think he's just playing badly as opposed to scummy here.

[Faraday]

unvote
vote: dramonic

i know my role, i don't know yours
i know i am pro-town, i do not know you aren't
this is admittedly wagonning for the sake of wagonning and saving my own neck
is it because I'm scum? no. I wouldn't have a wagon on me if I was.

why did you unvote andrius if he claimed your role?

[Faraday]

hmm missed that you're a rolecop, that's slightly different although i think 2 cop roles would be pretty powerful, could anyone who's played with a cult like mechanic before say if town need to have this sort of power?

[Faraday]

^^delete that if you want flay. reposting for iso purposes
Hydra doublepost deleted. -Flay

love the push on me, guys, most likely is scum to dissuade the andrius lynch
let's lynch andrius and actually lynch scum

if he is not scum, i offer myself up for lynch tomorrow

i am pretty sure he is lying
he is not offering investigative results and is a detective with a n0
that is really a joke
why are you all letting that off the hook?

he is being completely non-compliant, so let's lynch the guy who is trying to pressure him?
seems like a scum tactic, and if it isn't a normal one, it's what they're doing here.

if you do not believe me, give me time to explain myself better before the hammer. i do not believe andrius whatsoever. he is a recruiter.

this is furc's post right after andrius' claim. bolded is interesting, coming from most players i'd think that'd be hinting at being a cop, otoh I'm not sure if furc wouldn't use this sort of phrasing even as a 'nilla.

I actually think I believe the claim, now proven role doesn't mean proven alignment but I've been thinking he's town up to now so.

[Faraday]

Wow. Ooba's town here I'm pretty fucking sure. The kill on zwet makes bags of sense, couldn't have really picked a better target. Zwet was scummy, so yeah.

[Faraday]

think that means that either Ooba has that role, or he is in a scum group with someone who has that role (or had it and then got recruited, or something like that).

Mafia one shit vig (if that was their only killing power) probably isn't that far fetched, but with the best will in the world I doubt zwet would have been that high on any hypothetical mafia factions nightkill list.

I'm trying to understand the Andrius situation atm. I guess I could see him being roleblocked in the hope he's mislynched...maybe? I don't think it's that unlikely.

[Faraday]

No pro town roleblocker would target andrius last night unless they're completely retarded.

Also Yos Scumgroup A tried to kill andy and scumgroup B roleblocked him is another posibillity isn't it?

[Faraday]

Let's not lynch Ooba.

[Faraday]

a) Town-ooba never makes cases this thin or terrible (for why it's terrible, see my reply below).
b) Look how wrong he is about me, zwet,

AND

Furcolow. Town ooba is never this wrong.
c) Andrius got no-result on him. i.e. he's one of the don's sons with investigation immunity.
d) If you need more proof... well... you might be his scumbuddy.

if these reasons are actually convincing then lol. c is the only one that has some sort of credence but I don't think 'no result = something bad' at all as per andy's pm and not getting a result is completely different than investigation immunity. ooba pushed a pretty bads case against me before in Of gods and men, he was right, but the facts surrounding it were way off so all that just seems like a lot of bullshit to me. does scum ooba frequently push bad cases and make thin cases then, because from what I've seen that's not true either.

i've no idea who I want to vote as of yet, but this ooba wagon makes no sense, his role use makes perfect sense and he's managed to explain what the role is and been confirmed by someone else, it's very unlikely he guessed so yeah I think he's town.

[Faraday]

Kay, I think Ive come to grips with everything. Really having problems staying with this game without feeling truly frustrated.

@vezok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdWfqKI8x5g, I don't actually want to by the way, but I think it shows my frustration with you well enough.

In other news having read through these "fun" 7 pages, I don't know what to think yos2 has pretty much echo'ed my reading throughout but then yos2 is a very agreeable person (he even has a smilie saying so), reapercharlie has also been posting well (bar one truly terrible post, which by all accounts is like a small pebble in the Pacific here), vezok I dislike but I think its more because Im frustrated, I have a theory that he's a recruiter and that he hasn't actually claimed what is slowly turning into a very convoluted role. I am ignoring Friends case against me. I hope you don't mind everybody else but I think its been pretty well answered already and its not really worth my time. Ooba Im disliking a lot right now, it's all to convenient and Im just not a fan of his playstyle today... but before we open that kettle of worms again, (I should note, when I say playstyle I don't mean it in the same way as I mean Friend or ani - who has been fairly quiet) I move onto Faraday who I feel is very quick to turn things down but hasn't actually given much of an opinion on anything beyond Ooba being town... I don't really know his position on anything.

Aim: Faraday

Then you're clearly not reading the thread if you can't find my opinion on anything but that.

Friend is town. Inhim is town. Reapercharlie's also probably town. So is Vezok despite his stupid play. I believe Andy's claim at this point too. This has already all been said, unless you're talking about just day 2, in which case you're correct I've done fuck all.

Aim Gandalf

SingerSigner's someone I probably would have voted but for the fact she helped confirm Ooba's role (I know she didn't have much choice, and I'm waiting for her to definitely get caught up before I expand on that)

[Faraday]

Also 'very quick to turns thing down', where's the problem there? I don't want wagons on people I think are town, so of course I'm going to be quick to try and put them out. I don't see a problem with that at all.

[Faraday]

so I'd forgotten chronopie was in the game, then I read him in ISO, then I decided he was scum. now I vote for him.

Holster ; Aim Chronopie.

Ooba wagon is shit and filled with awful human beings. Switch over and stuff.

[Faraday]

I don't think Chrono is the lynch for today. Depending on what happens in the meantime, he might be tomorrow, but I think Ooba's either lying scum, or he was recruited, so he should be the lynch for today.

VOTE: Ooba

Wait what. Lying about what exactly? His role (which you confirmed as true) or he was recruited, which presumably occurs after investigations (whch andy confirmed iirc) and thus wouldn't have affected andy's investigation at all? I don't get this vote of all the votes.

[Faraday]

Im sorry but does it not say something about your standard of play. Do you want to be known as an idiot in every single game your in? I don't get this adamant stubbornness to even take a little advice, I mean seriously, trying to help is all. Even if you want to play like ani, there are certain basic principles of mafia that make it A. more interesting to play and B. more interesting for others to play with you. Because its currently like playing (british) football with you where for the first 30 minutes you sit on the middle of the field, then as soon as the ball comes close, you pick it up and run out of the stadium. If you don't want to analyse, yes thats going to piss me off, but in the end if you know what you are doing, that is my problem and I have to deal with it. The fact that you have a problem with even the simplest concept and you refuse to listen to anybody at all, is affecting your game, in that you aren't improving, but its affecting others enjoyment of the game. We signed up for this game to scumhunt, not to prevent you from semi unintentionally try to ruin the game. Mr Flay is what I would call a MS legend in that he has been on the site a while and when he mods games it's a BIG deal. I came here to enjoy what this game had to offer and whilst I can say I am today, (Ive never played in a cult game before), yesterday was a nightmare. Suffice to say, the way to get better is not to just /in as many games as you can and hope you improve, its to enter maybe 2-3 games most and listen to what people are trying to tell you. Until then people are going to just get frustrated and refuse to enter games with you in them.

Maybe instead of adressing the VI adress the fact I pretty much said your reasons for voting me were all wrong? Idunno, seems like something you should do if you think I'm scum.

[Faraday]

Nice lolsoftclaim that might possibly work that might not depending on everyone else.

[Faraday]

Where, where is your opinions on anything at all? Your good at playing mediator but thats about it.

What? They're in the thread, read better.

You said it a lot on the first page but never expanded. Why?

He's playing a gut based playstyle that's very hard to fake as town, I've agreed with a lot of what he's said and I think he's been sincere in most of what he's said.

This is the 4th time you personally mention Inhim, 3 of those times(including this one) you state he is town. Nothing more. Why should I believe your claim from the man in a trillby smoking a cigarette in the corner with what looks like a shotgun on the table in front of him. Why is he town and why should we take your word for it, like you are expecting us to?

I don't care if you personally take my word for it or not, as long as other people do then well it'll work out. You've clearly demonstrated before that you hate these type of statements, in fact it's been the main body of what you've talked about all game long.

Good, so we can cross him off the list cause you said so... again why?

Gut.

At the risk of repeating myself - Why?

Gut + meta.

I believe Andy's claim at this point too.

At first glance this sounds like a bit more than the crap that precedes it, but in the end, gives us nothing about anything. Andy's claim really isn't under pressure atm and it has no bearing on his alignment within this game. But as the bodyguard protected him last night (at least we presume thats what happened) Im going to go out on a limb and say I believe him as well.

No, clearly it has no bearing on his alignment. I mean believing his claim doesn't make him likely town at all. And Andy's claim was talked about quite a lot in the early part of day 2, in fact it's been a significant point of discussion w/r/t the ooba issue to. Someone doesn't have to be under pressure for me to give my opinion on them, that seems ludicrous

Doesn't really matter. Either way you have done next to nothing compared to most of the other players. You havent given us any indication of who is scum and why there are scum. Not even those annoying one liners that ani loves so much. My hatred for absolutes is something that has been documented in this game, and Ive been told to wind my neck in, but when you are using that at the expense of everything else, I start wondering if you walked away from your computer and put a turnip in your place, would it be any less useful?

I'm sorry I've not filled the thread up with complaining about other peoples playstyles, perhaps I'll work on that for future games. But yeah turnips can't type where I'm from and would probably need to be replaced for that.

But all 'funnies' aside, let's go back to what you originally said.

I move onto Faraday who I feel is very quick to turn things down but hasn't actually given much of an opinion on anything beyond Ooba being town... I don't really know his position on anything. Aim: Faraday

Is this ; which is not really a bad reason for a vote (well in general, in this case it's actually false so it's terrible)

But this seems different to what you're arguing now. Which is 'I haven';t given reasons for my opinions' which is completely different than what this says and also not scummy.

This whole case is lazy, in fact I'm sure a turnip could have done a better job, the fact you're more interested in spouting off game theory crap to vezok than responding to my case (no matter how useless you think it is) shows this.

[Faraday]

Ah god. Flay can you fix those quote tags? They're kinda butchered.
Fixed. -Flay

[Faraday]

Come on, Prozac lol

In other news, Faraday is a tantalizing lynch target, but my money's on ooba being scum.

I disagree with the gandalf wagon. You should all be on the ooba wagon instead (which is actually a stretch limo).

Please explain once again why Ooba's a good wagon.

Also what does 'tantalizing lynch target' mean, and since when did you think I'm scum again?

[Faraday]

@vezo: Here is some advice for you: Go back to the newbie queue, learn to play good, that's what the IC's are for. And please stop joining so many games, you'll only spread yourself way out, and quite honestly, I can't see how you're having fun by posting 3-5 liners that are mindlessly sheeping.
Please don't scream at me for this.

Might have a case up on someone(faraday?) tomorrow, but I'm tired tonight. In fact,

MOD: V/LA every Tuesday until further notice.

See sig[/offtopic]

um? k cool. I look forward to your case if you decide to do it on me

[Faraday]

I don't think Chrono is the lynch for today. Depending on what happens in the meantime, he might be tomorrow, but I think Ooba's either lying scum, or he was recruited, so he should be the lynch for today.

VOTE: Ooba

Wait what. Lying about what exactly? His role (which you confirmed as true) or he was recruited, which presumably occurs after investigations (whch andy confirmed iirc) and thus wouldn't have affected andy's investigation at all? I don't get this vote of all the votes.

@ singer.

[Faraday]

Crap

mod, thats a quote fail

Fixed. -Flay

Holster, Aim Faraday

Your vote gives us no reason and seems random to me.

You're correct, I gave no reason. Hardly random though, read him in ISO (doesn't take long)

[Faraday]

I want you to explain again though, I read the last explanation and didn't find it convincing. Just sum it up in your own words (or quote it idrc) so I can see why you think the case is so strong.

Avatar is a new promotional still from A Game Of thrones (coming to HBO next Spring, watch it!).

[Faraday]

Out of the top 3 wagons, I think faraday is the most likely to be scum, especally cult recruiter-type-scum. I get the feeling he's kind of been sitting back all game, and I wasn't really a fan of his day 1 play at all.

Vote:faraday

What specifically weren't you a fan of?


@ RC I don't agree Ooba's playing to his scum meta here at all actually.

I don't think point 3 makes him scum. My wagon's pretty fucking shitty ftr.

[Faraday]

Crap

mod, thats a quote fail

Fixed. -Flay

Holster, Aim Faraday

Your vote gives us no reason and seems random to me.

You're correct, I gave no reason. Hardly random though, read him in ISO (doesn't take long)

I shouldn't have to make my own reasons up for your vote.

I never said you did, are you being dense or trying to strawman me here because I can't tell? If you think he's scummy after reading him you should vote for him, if you don't then my reasons won't convince you anyway.

[Faraday]

So do you have anything to say about why you didn't return a result to Andrius last night? Hmmm?

He already said it's nothing to do with his role, what else would you wish him to say.

[Faraday]

see sig. i'll be back posting monday actually but yeah.

[Faraday]

This just from his(faraday's) most recent ISO page:
Why did you think the zwet kill was good? I had a fairly town read on him.
I don't understand how getting role-blocked would make andrius more likely to be lynched? And "mislynched" implies you know he's town. Scum-slip?
See, the problem with one scumgroup trying to kill andrius and the other roleblocking is that 1, they knew that dramonic would likely have guarded him, and 2, that would mean neither scumgroup tried to recruit. Which I find a bit hard to believe.
Perhaps someone role-blocked andy thinking he'd get recruited?
So what's with posting a response to poro, wanting to vote SS(how does helping confirm ooba make someone townier?) except for helping confirm ooba, and then voting gandalf without reasons?
So you'd rather stop wagons on people you think are town instead of analyzing the wagons, and possibly finding scum?
Yeah, why tell us why you think chrono's scum when you can just say "so I'd forgotten chronopie was in the game, then I read him in ISO, then I decided he was scum. now I vote for him."?
If you want to convince people, you need to be convincing. Otherwise people won't do what you want. Gut is not convincing to other people.
So… You're saying you believe andy's claim, but but that doesn't make him town, but you seem to believe he's town with little reason other than his claim?
I like how you use sarcasm and turnips instead of defending yourself.
So it's good reason to vote usually, but not now because it's voting you?
Reaper did explain already. I don't agree with it, but I saw it, which apparently either you didn't or your hoping that if you say it enough he'll get annoyed and say it in bad words.
Yeah. You enjoying it?
So this is your method? Have other people look up why people are scummy instead of telling them?
Oh yeah. Your wagons shitty because it's on you. I mean, why bother actually trying to defend it, especially if it's so bad?
The point is, we shouldn't have to look up reasons for

your

vote.

Yeah yeah, everybody's going to say it's not much and stuff, and they're probably right. But I'm at kind of a dead end in this game, and I don't really agree with the ooba wagon. And I'm not getting the chrono wagon either. This is the best I've got.

Aim: Faraday

this is fucking horrendous.

[Faraday]

Most of the questions asked by Me=weird seem to have pretty obvious answers and are being asked for the sake of being asked.

So you'd rather stop wagons on people you think are town instead of analyzing the wagons, and possibly finding scum?

This is clearly NOT what I said. Could you misunderstand/misrepresent my position any more? I had mentioned that I thought zwet was scum, that's why I thought it was a good kill. Ugh I'm not even going through the rest of that, it's nonsensical.

[Faraday]

Re-Aim: Faraday

I smell desperation.

Nobody likes being lynched, I assume. I don't see why it's scummy.

[Faraday]

Yos's position on me is at least understandable abnd coherent. Meh. I don't really disagree with a lot of it and it's a valid reason especially compared to Prozac's 'No opinions lol' and me=weird's stuff that's bad. I mean I don't even believe prozac thinks I'm scum judging from the way he's interacted with me since his vote, it's like he doesn't really care.

Yos: W/o giving away any more info and judging from your responses can I gather chrono's a bad wagon?

Has singersigner answered my question yet? I don't think so.

[Faraday]

Most of the questions asked by Me=weird seem to have pretty obvious answers and are being asked for the sake of being asked.

So you'd rather stop wagons on people you think are town instead of analyzing the wagons, and possibly finding scum?

This is clearly NOT what I said. Could you misunderstand/misrepresent my position any more? I had mentioned that I thought zwet was scum, that's why I thought it was a good kill. Ugh I'm not even going through the rest of that, it's nonsensical.

What you said was this: "I don't want wagons on people I think are town, so of course I'm going to be quick to try and put them out. I don't see a problem with that at all.". Why not wait a bit and look for scummy wagon-hopping or anything? And if the questions are so obvious, why won't you answer them?

Because they're stupid and I don't feel like responding to your bad rhetoric. And as for why, well it's pretty obvious as once a wagon gains momentum (like serious momentum) it's pretty hard to stop, so if you can nip it in the bud early all the better.

[Faraday]

Singer I'm asking what you think ooba's lying about, do you think he happened to guess the actual role? I don't understand why you're voting him.

Yos' respone re: chronopie doesn't do a lot to change my mind, which is pretty grand.

[Faraday]

Not gonna be around much tomorrow, or today from now on. Sorry.

[Faraday]

How are my reasons weak? I didn't post any? But it's pretty obv, if you just iso him anyway.

I'd probably be voting singerisnger if she hadn't confirmed ooba's role, the whole thing after that makes no sense from her, plus I'm always very weary of people who iso their predecessors and mention it (amished tell kinda). Although it seems she didn't have much choice but to confirm it since yos2 called her out. Hmm, need to re-read that when I get a chance.

[Faraday]

Don't fucking hammer me without at least letting me give my last thoughts or I'll come to your houses and murder you individually (lol he's obv scum now xd).

It's pretty apparent at this stage I am going to be lynched (despite the fact people agree the case is shitty, but hey if it's the best we've got derp)

[Faraday]

That post obviously wasn't directed at you but for the people calling for a hammer. ^^ Notice you don't seem to believe I'm scum up there too.

[Faraday]

But it seems to bother you? Which it shouldn't if I'm scum? I don't understand your objection to me wanting to get my reads out, really. Is it just you being a grumpy old man or something?

[Faraday]

I didnt say that. I said that your going to make a bit of a pointless last words post.

YOU*RE BTW and I'm giving reasons despite how much it pains me so whatever, it'll probably be ignored anyway.

I'll finish this off tomorrow(Monday actually) though, I'm leaving Uni now to go play fifa 11. I'd kindly ask anyone not to hammer untill then. Bi bi.

[Faraday]

Reaper - Reaper probably needs to die, eventually. Yes he's been investigated and found not scum, but his play as been so poor lately that I'm thinking he was a likely night 1 recruit. His push on Ooba is poor, it's really poor. I get it he wants Ooba lynched, but I don't think he's that stupid that he can't see when he's tunnelling badly. His flip-flop on me with no reason is also incredible - notice his position on me late day 1- he iso's me and says he doesn't think I'm scummy. Yet day 2 when a I get a few votes he's quite quick to softly support the wagon 1447, 1483 he comes back around. In fact I've no idea what happened to this either:

Chronopie is a tantalizing second target for me; for now I'd rather stick with ooba though.

Which is fair enough.

But when he votes me, Chronopie his second suspect has 3 votes, which ya know isn't fucking exactly hopeless either? In fact he doesn't even mention Chronopie when he votes me, he mentions the ooba wagon but it looks like his suspicioun of Chronopie is feigned, I think that could possibly indicate some sort of attempt to distance here.

I'm not sure on Reaper, I think there's a very good chance that he's been recruited all in all.

SingerSigner:

TheLonging I'll iso later but singer's been scummy enough in her own right.

I mentioned earlier, that I think iso'ing your predecessor as a townie seems unneccessary, it's certainly only something I do as scum, and yeah Amished tell variation here.
Ooba's claim being the same as hers makes her suspicious for some reason. Seriously? What do you think the chances are of Ooba managing to guess the role.

I don't think Chrono is the lynch for today. Depending on what happens in the meantime, he might be tomorrow, but I think Ooba's either lying scum, or he was recruited, so he should be the lynch for today.

This makes NO FUCKING SENSE. Lying about what? I thought the case involved him being a recruiter, hence the failed investigation. None of this makes any sense and it looks like you're jumping on the bandwagon.

I agree with the case on Faraday. It may not be the strongest, but we're not going anywhere else. There's information to be gotten from every lynch, and I feel as though it's about time to get info from this one. If no one objects (formality), I'm ready to hammer.

Are you looking for an out tomorrow by saying the case wasn't the strongest? What particular parts of the case on me do you agree with, specifically Me=W, Yos2 and Prozac are the only ones to have posted reasoning (Iirc) so which of their posts convinced you? Especially considering :

What's this wagon on faraday?

To me indicated you disagreed with the wagon on me? Correct me if I'm wrong here though, as I guess it's kinda ambigious either way.

Either way, if we've got a scum loose cannon it's probably here I'd bet.

Inhim

looks pretty town, his Iso isn't great but I don't really disagree with a lot of what he's been saying. I don't agree with his points re: me, but then I wouldn't would I? I think there's a fair chance he's town at this point and one of the few I'm reasonably confident in saying this about too.

Friend

looked remarkably town day 1, less so day 2 but I think he's still probably town. I admit I'm slightly biased towards thinking playstyles like Jack's, and in this particular game Inhim and Friend look town. I generally find it pretty hard to articulate town reads anyway, but I can't really see scumfriend here day 2. He seems bored of day 2, althogh going a day to get flips and stuff isn't as useful here, it's a cult game. So yeah.

Vezok's

town for the soft claim nonsense that went on really early. He's horribly anti town regardless of alignment anyway but I think he looks a town, anti town here if you understand me. I have some meta on him as town and he seems similar here although it's hard to tell, admittedly I'd lean town on him. Oh he was replaced by robocopter who's spent the whole time he's been here complaining/not doing anything. Gl with that.

Andrius

is prob town, look at the early day 1 where he calls reaper town repeatedly for no good reason, it makes so much sense as a cop investigation and very very little sense as anything else.

Xvart

- Xvart's play has been okay I guess, but I've modded him 3 times now, twice as town and once as scum and he looks so much like his scum self here after a re-read in iso. Total gut feel here, but usually when he's town I can spot him quite quickly (see lay of leithian) but here he's just there for me and it's worrying. He's also pretty much ignored my bandwagon for the most part, and there's something about his interactions with Yos2 that I don't like either. I think there's a good chance he's a recruiter who recruited Yos2.

Yos2

- Nothing I can really pin on him again, he's very capable of being logical and posting cases as scum, I don't really like that he never commented on my supposed scumminess day 1, it just seems odd that he never so much as mentioned me untill a wagon started on me (that may not be actually 100% true, but you get the idea.

Ani/BBM (w/ prozac)- I think there's a decent chance he's a recruiter who recruited prozac night 1 based on the way day 2 has gone. Prozac was all over Ani day 1, like a fucking rash. Look at the differences in the way he's gone after ani day 1 (for useless posting) and the way he's attacking me, the difference is pretty noticable IMO. He's also ignored Ani for day 2, someone who seemed to be one of his top scum reads for day 1. I think there's a really, really fucking good chance Prozac's recruited, and my top pick for recruiter for him would be Ani. It also fits in what I think Ani would do (recruit someone who's attacking him). BBM's catch up post doesn't help either, no idea why his top town reads are who they are but yeah.

Seraphim read really town. Me-weird's case seems a nulltell (in so far as he's made that style of case in a few of his games and he's not scum everytime). Gonna go with town here, I think Seratown more likely to replace because of Vezok. Plus there was abn earlier comment about scumgroups that I read as genuine.

Gurgi's been lazy as fuck, he's done little to no scumhunting from what I can see, although it seems a general 'fucked up with mafia' vibe from his posts, I don't think that's an alignment tell either way. His jump on my wagon wasn't too bad, no reasons given but there's nothing really wrong with that. Bleh he's pretty neutral I guess, my gut kinda says town on him at the moment even though he's done absolutely nothing.

Erg0 - Townish. Seems to be scumhunting and I've no real problems with him, day 2 looks even better although I feel we could do with more of him ITT. I think that's everyone?

Gandalf I've no idea how to read. Looks scummy regardless of alignment to me, so you're on your own with that.

Chronopie's possible scum for doing nothing but softclaiming all fucking game. DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE.


Well that's about it, probably not very useful but whatever. Reaper's the guy I'm on the fence about most in all that. Xvart has a decent chance of being scum, Prozac and BBM do too although Prozac's probably a recruit if anything.

[Faraday]

Also this whole LYNCH A RECRUITER thing is fine if you can fucking well find one, however if you refuse to lynch someone cos they're more likely to be a recruit and don't catch the leader then the town is well and truly fucked. Lynch whoever's scummy and hope for the best, sure you can see who's more likely but apart from that.

[Faraday]

Kk

Now just gotta wait for a faraday claim.

!!!!! remarkable insight. I'm good as I am.

[Faraday]

What do you think of xvart? He seems to me to get 'stuck in more' as town so to speak, and I don't really see him doing it here. In fairness it didn't take me that long to post, and I've had connection issues. I blame the V/la I had in part, it left me with a lot to catch up on. Shame I was looking forward to this too.

[Faraday]

Hey Faraday, you want to claim

before

or

after

deadline?

Also, we'd need to turn this wagon around really fast if we're going to lynch someone else.

I don't really understand why you're asking this? Before or after deadline, surely before would be prefferential in most cases but?

[Faraday]

eh, good game scum I guess. I thought the town played pretty poorly for the most part. friend lynch in particular was spectacularly bad.

don't think I'll play a cult game, I don't really like the thought of my town reads changing alignment, as I mostly scumhunt through process of elimination. think my v/la really hurt me here, and couldn't ever really get back in the game after that.

thanks anyway flay, smooth modding.

[Faraday]

As for the recruitment at the end, Flay sent me a PM last night asking how I would like to "deal with" the remaining players if we hit endgame. Essentially, we actually recruited prozac for the majority last night, and I told Flay to recruit Gurgi and Singer to the cult.

Not that it matters, since I lose anyway but this seems really weird. I remember thinking Flameaxe was dead too >_>.

[Faraday]

scum too**

[Faraday]

don't want to really get into an argument about this, you're of course entitled to your opinion, I certainly thought Friend was scumhunting though so strongly disagree.

as for furc, well no comment really. yeah.

Hey xvart WERE you scum day 2 then when i was lynched?

[Faraday]

don't buy he's accurate 80% of the time, but w/e. I can totally see why people wanted him lynched, although I did think he was totally damn townie. Which sucked.

or avoid him? I mean, there are a number of players I dislike playing with, i'm sure there are a number of players who dislike playing with me, there are enough people and games out there that it doesn't matter to me and it's not a huge problem, really.

[Faraday]

Of course That's totally helped me realise my reads weren't as bad as I thought all this game then, since I found you town-ish day 1 I think.