Mafia on Holy Orders (Game Over!)

[Haylen]

Evening peoples ^_^ I've skimmed the thread a bit and know mostly what's going on. Just give me some time to read up in more detail, cool? Cool.

[Haylen]

Unvote

Just in case.

[Haylen]

I completely disagree with the meta argument. I think meta is really important in a game because a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another. Wow, Vezok didn't even try to play really, if you're not going to play then don't bother joining a game, speaking of meta that was an extremely botched attempt by Vezok - I would love to know what aspect of play he was metaing.

Sociopath, why did you vote for Iecrint in post 1317? I don't see very much of an explanation anywhere.

Ice post 1318, that was the worst play I have ever done, don't hold me to it, I had a lot of things going on at the time and only didn't replace out because UK would have been angry at me.

The ad homs are ridiculous, btw. ENOUGH.

Chronopie, why are you following the lights and doing what they say? If they are players just like us, then they aren't infallible, so what you're doing is exactly the same as sheeping. Do we even know what they glows and smokes mean yet?

Before anybody asks, I don't know what the special circumstances are that may make me scum. I have thought of something but I don't want to put Socrates at risk if I am correct.

Pacman, why don't you want to wait for Plum? It's pretty scummy not to want to hear the opinions of another player.

[Haylen]

I have read the full game yet, that's why. I've only read Ten pages back.

And what about the fact that people can change the way they play? How does meta fit that?

No matter how much glitter you sprinkle on turd to call it art, it's still a turd.
You can change the outside but you can't change the inside. There will always be subtle clues.

Actually, AGar, you'll find that I have asked several people questions in that post about why they're doing what they are, I don't call that fluff: I call that analysis.

[Haylen]

Lol, I think the person who sent that message may be someone that knows me well enough to call me 'Haylie'. That's what I read Vezlie as. The only way I could be scum that I can think of is if I was a Godfather or if there was a mafia-framer who could target me and make me look scum. That's from a cops prospective. From a Trackers perspective...I guess it could be that Vezok targetted a town player and that Socrates knew what ability he had been given.

Yes, Vezok did use an ability on Night Two, he did not use the abilities follow up on Night Three. I understand that I am currently at serious risk of being lynched because of the dude who I replaced's actions, so this is my claim.

I am one of the Righteous, this means that I basically started out as an ordinary Vanilla Townie obviously this is also a town role. The action that Vezok received was called Grave Digger (it was from post 887). Having never heard of this ability before, I will assume that it is one of Vi's inventions. Basically, what it does is it allows the owner of it to have the potential to receive a one shot ability. The way to obtain this one shot ability is to predict who is going to die during the night, if the person with this ability is correct and the person who died is a power-role then the person with the ability with gain a one shot ability of that power role. For example, Vezok guessed that Socrates was going to die - his breadcrumbing was very obvious especially after saying Vezok was confirmed town to him. I am also going to assume that Vezok believed Socrates to have some sort of investigative role, either way, even though Socrate's died, his ability still lives on in the form of a one shot tracking ability. As I previously said, Vezok for some reason unknown to mankind (maybe he lost interest by Night Three) did not use his one shot track, so now I have control over it.

Lynch me if you like but tonight I can prove that I have a one shot track and thus also confirming that I have the Grave Digger ability.

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to do some reading to decide who I want to use this track on.

[Haylen]

I'm willing to hear.

[Haylen]

Interesting going-ons. Now, I want to hear from furc first, but

if we can lynch vezo(haylen now) that would be fine

by me. In any case, a furc lynch isn't going to happen.

Unvote

Vote Me=Weird

Why are you trying to prevent someone with a track from using their ability?

[Haylen]

I think M=W got lynched before Pacman unvoted. I am confused about the massive extension. :/

Did we ask for a claim from him first?

[Haylen]

Ahh, just noticed that Pacman made the same mistake I did with Furc's vote, glad I'm not the only one xD (For a start I should be wearing glasses.)

Your avatar IS wearing glasses. Sorta. ~Vi

Pacman, why did you unvote M=W? without putting a vote somewhere else?

[Haylen]

I have no idea why that ability was given then, all I know is that that's the post it was given to Vezok on. Maybe it's because of where everybody was voting at the time, that he got it?

Iec: This isn't going to be worth much, but I'm going to say it anyway. I absolutely suck balls at fakeclaiming. On IRC, I have won 88 games and lost 132 because I couldn't fakeclaim to save my life. Now go back and read my claim, does it look like it was made up to you?

I can't grant abilities to players, I just steal a one shot off power roles if I guess they're gonna die correctly.

[Haylen]

Because Vi told me that's when Vezok received that ability.

Vezok probably believed Socrate's to be an investigative role because he was asking for a claim.

[Haylen]

I don't understand what you mean by 'lampshade'. Ok, I will send Vi a PM.

[Haylen]

Who is town? speak up. We don't have a seperate thread to communicate like they do. We need to communicate here. Who's with me?

That's stupid. Scumpoints.

[Haylen]

Yeh...what are you waiting for? :/

I've sent my action in.

[Haylen]

OK, Haylen apparently isn't really checking with Vi.

I think it's probably a good idea for me to reveal at this point that I also received an ability D2. It was also kinda in the middle of D2, but not at the exact same time as Haylen. Vi did not indicate that I had received my ability after a specific post.

My guess was that I received the ability from some player, but I don't know who it was from. If I were to guess a step farther, I'd say I thought it was one of the two !!!!!!!!!s.

Oh that, try specifying what you want answers from when you're asking for them, I'm not a mind reader. Yeah, Vezok didn't get told when he got his ability because he got it when Vi did the votecount, there's not really much point in telling him if he can just look at timestamps ^_^

[Haylen]

I th

i

nk we should lynched M=W t

o

day, for the

r

easons that have already been stated. I am s

e

riously pissed that he didn't want me to use my track, it's not ofte

n

that I get to have any sort of ability in a gam

e

. I would also like to know why Iec was so in

t

erested in discu

ss

ing the post in which

I

got told I had my a

b

ility, I was also like to know how,

c

learly, Iecerint knows that the scum give abilities.

[Haylen]

Congratulations, you found a breadcrumb. I'm not explaining until tomorrow.

[Haylen]

Why does it make me look scum? Maybe I just like pretty colours.

[Haylen]

Major FoS: Furcolow

For Role-fishing.

[Haylen]

Major FoS: Furcolow

For Role-fishing.

My vote is staying until you explain your encription. It is obviously a code, if I couldn't find the proper anagram.

You'll find that difficult because I'm NOT explaining until tomorrow.

Also, Furcolow, when I replace into a game I don't give a crap what other people think of the person I replaced my job is to play the game as I would play a game, not do what other people expect of me.

[Haylen]

At this point, for the posts on this page and the other page, I would be more than willing to support a Furcolow lynch. Furcolow or M=W, both of them need to go.

You're pushing for my lynched because I breadcrumbed. Lots of people breadcrumb, you're scummy because you're fishing for a role over it and want be lynched because of it.

[Haylen]

V/LA til the end of the weekend.

Work and personal issues.

[Haylen]

SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU OBV HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLES FEELINGS SO JUST PISS OFF.

[Haylen]

@ CKD - i just said i was going v/la and that was a response to furcolow saying 'how convieniant'. Honestly, right now, I'm far to upset to answer any questions and I ask that that is respected. I'll be fine to answer tomorrow, hopefully.

[Haylen]

Furcolow, "Iecerint has no scumtells. Vote Iecerint. I'll switch." Isn't that what you're saying about me too? That I'm not scummy but that you think I'm scum?

Reading.

[Haylen]

PS. It's a ridiculous thought process.

[Haylen]

Me=Weird is scum because:

* He case of Vezok was complete bullcrap. "He random voted the largest wagon." That's not scummy, that's called applying a bit of pressure to a player to get them to squeal and talk, what he said is a misrep.

* He votes Furculow without explaining why. Looks like a bussing attempt to me.

* A lot of what he says is Information about the game rather than analysis, which isn't very helpful or pro-town. It's a way of looking like you're posting lots without posting much at all.

* Hypocritical, in his #17 iso, he said that AtoE is a nulltell but I'm pretty sure he said that my outburst was scummy when they can be listed in the same category.

* Vote hops from Vezok to Furcolow quite spectacularly in his #21 iso, scummy.

* Has seemed to go after players that are easy targets since the beginning of the game ie Vezok and Furcolow. If M=W flips scum then I would be very doubtful about Furcolow being scum with him.

* pacman/Furcolow, I can't remember which one of you said it but why am I apparently 'caught scum' for getting angry and posting in caps whereas M=W isn't? That's called holding players to different standards and If M=W flips scum then I would consider the idea that he might have been bussing Furcolow as of this sentence.

* Iso's 29-34 seems very desperate.

* Decides that he doesn't want tracker results. Maybe he's scared that I'm going to track him.



I don't understand why M=W got a free ride for what the person he replaced did, whilst I am apparently scummy scum scum for what Vezo has done. I haven't committed any scumtells this game and I have been providing as much content as I possibly can. I haven't lurked. I have been active except for my V/LA and my ability is provable and I have breadcrumbed about it. So the only reason people think I'm scum is because Vezok is a newbie and can't play as well as you guys can, he had a language barrier so I am sure that he misunderstood a lot of what was being asked of him.

[Haylen]

You're voting to lynch someone without giving reasoning, again? O_O

This is why M=W needs to go, he's very obviously scum! It's mindless bandwagonning.

[Haylen]

I have a null read on SP since I haven't seen him posting much :/

[Haylen]

Incorrect, you vote hopped from Vezok to Furcolow, twice without explaining why.

[Haylen]

So basically, you're defence is 'Im town, I can't be being bussed' correct?

[Haylen]

I th

i

nk we should lynched M=W t

o

day, for the

r

easons that have already been stated. I am s

e

riously pissed that he didn't want me to use my track, it's not ofte

n

that I get to have any sort of ability in a gam

e

. I would also like to know why Iec was so in

t

erested in discu

ss

ing the post in which

I

got told I had my a

b

ility, I was also like to know how,

c

learly, Iecerint knows that the scum give abilities.

You'll notice that some of these letters are in the colours of the rainbow. Ignore the ones that aren't, they were used as red herrings to prevent scum from killing off my target just in case.

What letters you have left, you need to put them in rainbow order to find the name of the person I targetted.

I
E
C
E
R
I
N
T

Iecerint.

I targetting Iecerint because I was getting some very odd vibes from him that I couldn't put my finger on - like I did with Ojanen in Ladies Mafia. I also believed it was feasible that he would gather a lot of heat rather soon in the game. Thus is my rationale behind my action target.

I did received "no result", so I conclude that either Iecerint has a hiding ability or there is a roleblocker in the game. If that player is scum, then I was obviously targetted because of my tracking ability and not killed because that would be stupid as I could still be lynched. If that player is town then they will receive a rather pissed off response from me after the game. If that player I town, I will not ask them to make themselves known, just...don't do it again. That was a one shot.

[Haylen]

I can try to find one, but its typically on AIM. (Weird since my name isn't Haylie and I've never told anyone it is )

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2168990 <-- Maemuki, she's calls me it very often.
CSL has been calling me it in ongoing games and on AIM.

I know that Mae and CSL were planning on having a hydra aswell, so you never know if it's them :O That would be awesome. O_O Mae used to frequently mispell 'Battery' as 'Batery' and she love's Vi and her games...I must say that atm I am very inclined to believe that the player who sent that message was Mae.

My thoughts are that I am rather pissed off that I didn't prove anything >=(

EDIT: Just realised what happened with the Vi's PM. Whenever a person's inbox fills, it says in very small writing that they're role PM's are on hold until they sort it out. Sorry, so sorry, I didn't notice this. I did get a result on Iecerint. He targetted Furcolow. Confirm or deny?

[Haylen]

YAY! I didn't waste my one-shot! ^_^

[Haylen]

I targetted Iecerint for the following reasons:

* His posts were giving me very interesting vibes. It feels kinda like my brain is being tickled. I got this exact same feeling with Ojanen.

* I have been on the verge of a null read on Iecerint to a scum read. I wanted to see if he would admit to the person he targetted, gave adequate reasoning for his target and ultimately, whether he targetted the player who died. If we are playing a game where the scum need to decide who does the kill, then the scum would choose a player who is not under much suspicion but under enough for it not to be much of a loss to them if he happens to be caught. It was this that decided where my read on Iec would go, currently it is at 'NOT SCUM', I would however consider the possibility that Vi had included a cult rather than a neighbourhood, but I will have to look into her games again before that because I'm pretty sure she's a mod who hates cults.

* At the time, when he said that he would help the M=W wagon if it came to it, it seemed like distancing as scum only really jump on their buddies wagon if they can't help it. The obviously became void when M=W flipped town. It was basically to test whether he may or may not be bussing (if he targetted the guy who died)

* He then changed his mind and tried to gather a Sociopath wagon out of nowhere.

[Haylen]

* Ojanen. Good player, fairly new, was nommed for best newbie scummy last year.

* Because I didn't class it as too high. I thought that you were scum with M=W and Furcolow. M=W was under a lot more suspicion than you. The scale I used was entirely subjective. The useful thing is that we now know, if Furcolow confirms it, that you definately targetted him and are most likely a neighbour. I can't see scum pulling a gambit like that especially knowing theirs someone with a one-shot track. That's a 90% confirmed player.

* Fair enough on point 3. I can understand that reading back to day 1.

* Ok. I think it caused alarm bells because it was seemingly out of the blue for me. You were on one wagon then you said 'i know, how bout we lynch this guy' and didn't seem to give a reason why there and then.

[Haylen]

PS. This is the first time I have been a power-role other than Vig, where I got a choice to target. It's no excuse, but I am a bit unsure as to how to play investigative and Gravedigger roles. I hope to learn a lot from this though. ^_^

[Haylen]

Yes. I only let confirmed town influence my votes to that extent.

[Haylen]

How can you consider pacman VI but not Vezok?

I knew Iec neighborized you because I targetted him with my one shot track.
I obtained this track because Vezok correctly guess that Socrates was going to die, using my Grave Digging ability I received a one shot ability of his ability.

Furcolow, answer me this. Doesn't it seem unbalanced that Scum would be given a gravedigger ability? Scum would already know who's going to die. It would seem a tad bit unfair and unbalanced.

[Haylen]

This post, this is called an "oh, shit!" post. This is the post of scum who false-claims to buy themselves some time, then doesn't think it all the way through and has no contingency plan.

Sorry, but no. I breadcrumbed my target remember? Have you ever ran up your inbox to full capacity? If so, you'd be able to confirm that trying to see that message is stupid. And there's a lot of players still left in the game, how could I guess that Iecerint had targetted the person whom I believed the be the scummiest player that day in order to NEIGHBORIZE THEM. Think about what you say in context before you post it, please.

Haylen is scum, and the claim was a crock to get her through a day. See the light people, SEE IT.

Again, I breadcrumbed my target. You're really grasping for straws arent you.

Note how she never says with CERTAINTY that it was Furc. She asks, like she's taking a stab in the dark.

Yes I did. I was asking them to confirm or deny my ability. If they had said I was wrong, I would have voted their asses. Again, you try guessing when there's about 12 players in the game who he targetted.

If she says that only two people call her that nickname, and neither of those two people are in this game, what benefit does the person get from using a butchered half of that nickname - that isn't obvious as a nickname, and can be taken in a connotation in a completely different direction - in a message to SOMEONE ELSE? Too much room for error, I thin

*shrugs* Whatever. I was only telling people what I know.

[Haylen]

AGar...there's 8 letters in Iecerint and 7 colours of the rainbow. What do you expect me to do?

Seriously, this is all fucking stupid. MAKE A CASE ON ME. SO I CAN REPLY.

What Agar is saying is rediculous. Basically, you want to lynch me cause Vezok was a VI. This isn't the only game he did that in, trying every game he joined on MS.

He is completely forgetting about the explanation I gave for mistaking my result. I had presumed that I had received 'no result' because I didn't get an PM. Do you usually tell your players if they have been blocked or something similar?

Anyone else think that Furcolow and Iecerint a putting it on a bit? They seem a bit fake to me.

In response to Agar
1) She claims "gravedigger" and a "1-shot track"
~ Correct.
2) She first says "I received no result," and leaves herself outs. Ignoring the connotation of that line where it could be taken as she physically received a PM saying "No result," she says that.
3) Then, when called on it by Iec, she backtracks. Now, Vi didn't get her PM.[1]. Then she received a result shortly after and she asks, not definitively says, it was Furc.
~ Misrep. I never said that Vi didn't get my PM. I said that I didn't get one because my inbox was full, I had to delete PM's before the site would stop holding my PM's back.
4) She ANNOUNCES a day before she is breadcrumbing.
~ Yep. You're point? It's something I learnt on IRC.
5) She fucks up her own breadcrumb.
~ No. You fucked up my breadcrumb.

GO BACK AND READ WHAT I WROTE, CKD.

[Haylen]

I have never had an inbox fill or pm someone who had it filled.

Then I suggest you get someone to spam you really really fast so you can get what I mean here.

When you're inbox gets full the '0 new messages' turns into 'x new messages'. Then you go into your inbox and you think 'wtf' because you wont have any new unread messages there. Then you'll wonder what's happened and decide it must be refering to messages you have unread from ages ago, so you leave it for a while. About a day or two later you'll remember that the same thing happened to you a month or two ago and you finally remember that in really tiny writing it tells you your messages are on hold cause your inbox is full. You'll delete some messages and find the PM's you've been looking for.

Yes, I perceived receiving no message as receiving 'no result'.

I would love to know why AGar is strawmanning so badly.

[Haylen]

Yes. I did receive a PM in receipt of my choice.

[Haylen]

I have sent my paraphrase in to Vi to make sure it's ok.

[Haylen]

EBWOP: I have also already made a rather lengthy paraphrase of my ability.

[Haylen]

Vi seems to think this is slightly sleazy, but she's OK'd it:

It starts with a bit centered in caps in the middle with green font and tildes that implies our !!!!!!!!!s are doing something. Then it says I was given an ability by someone. Then the ability is explained in a quote box. The ability is italicized and in blue while the rest is normally written.

There's also a parenthetical clarification added at the end that lets me know that the ability resolves at the end of each day, since the quote box definition itself kind of implies that I would get a QT with my target instantaneously.

There are between 0 and 3 errors in the above. Haylen's turn. I'd like her to stipulate what the errors are in this description, if any.

The OK'd Stuff.

Well for a start, you made a mistake with the colours, there are none! I agree with the double dashes if you're calling them tildes now, the caps and the centres. The title is bolded. Then there's something about getting an ability which is shown in a quote box and the name is italicised. There is no clarification added at the end. The abilities name isn't set up in the CORRECT way we quote in threads, it is just italicized with a dash then the description.

[Haylen]

Unless I am completely missing something, then I would presume that Socrates had tracked Vezok and had found he didn't go anywhere and that the only way that could be incorrect would be if Vezok was an action immune Godfather or something like that :/

[Haylen]

I don't know, then. Really, I don't - that's the only thing I think of.

[Haylen]

Is there anything that I have said or done that makes you believe I might be scum, or is it all Vezok?

[Haylen]

@ Plum - AAh, I see. You can stop yelling now ^_^ I've been accusing some people of that because most of the time it is because Vezok was being a nitwit. If Friend's info suggests the claim is a lie then if one of the !!!'s is scum, it must've come from them.

[Haylen]

@ Plum - Not really...it's hardly my fault Vezok's play was VI. It just really winds me up when someone replaces into a game and rather than find that person scummy for what they've done, they find them scummy cause of what the person they replaced did. So there is a possibility that I overreacted, it's one of my peeves...just like when people don't put a space between @ and a playername.

[Haylen]

NOW you're resorting to AtE.

lolwhat? This is one of the few games I HAVEN'T got too emotional in as town.

Am I the only one who sees AGar's last post as a complete strawman?

Furcolow, wtf? Care to give any reasoning.

[Haylen]

I have a theory. If one of the !!!'s is scum and can also grant powers then they might have tried to frame Vezok with an ability that people would consider a scum one. That's the only way I can explain receiving this ability because no way was Vezok playing townie enough to receive one.

[Haylen]

Lol, that was actually pretty fun. I was screwed from the start, that's why I made the claim I did, it was do or die. That's why I'm really pleased with my play here, I did the best I could in a stupid situation AND managed to come up with a fakeclaim - never managed to pull off one to this extent before and I'd spent only about 3 minutes working on it. I used to whole Vezlie thing to generate a bit of offhand discussion. It didn't really matter who the !!!!'s were in the end.

[Haylen]

PS. I really DID sent Vi that PM asking about Vezok's ability xD

[Haylen]

There isn't one I made it up.

[Haylen]

furthermore, I would like to point this thread out to you. I discovered the problem with role PM's filling up a box back in August and solved the problem on the same day. I'm very very suprised that nobody picked up on that

[Haylen]

Post the QT if you like ^_^

[Haylen]

Vezok, didn't you say you quit the site?