Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Andrius]

RC, The Longing had been crumbing Vig since D1. I remember telling him to STOP on one occasion...

i'll dig it up...

[Andrius]

@ My Ex-[REDACTED]-Buddy: Be more subtle next time. Unless you're just bluffing.

The [REDACTED] is supposed to be "Mason", but I'm pretty sure the game was still on-going, so.

[Andrius]

Oh yeah, cause scum NEVER breadcrumbs.

They do, I know. I crumbed every role in a C9++ in Open 239. XD

[Andrius]

I'm willing to go onto the ooba wagon at the moment, as every other candidate right now is getting us nowhere. :/
I was going to suggest lynching Friend just because, but Yos made a good case on ooba.

For now:

Aim: ooba

[Andrius]

Yeah, but a scum lynch is better than a town lynch.
If we can hit scum over town, let's do it. If we can hit a recruiter, let's do it. But for now, we should at least hit scum.

[Andrius]

Here's a quick info dump (with just the facts, not my opinions):

Mobsters still in the building...

(i.e. WHAT WE KNOW)

---

Andrius (claimed Enforcer before Furcolow flipped)
Chronopie (claimed Roleblocker, claimed being roleblocked on N2 -- POSSIBLE inference/confirmation within N2 mod flavor)
Erg0 ()
animorpherv1/Flameaxe ()
Friend ()
gandalf5166 ()
inHimshallibe ()
Lord Gurgi (investigated to be town by Andrius (night 2))
ooba (claimed Loose Cannon and claimed that he shot zwetschenasserbloke on (what night?))
Porochaz ()
ReaperCharlie (Investigated to be innocent by Andrius (what night?))
vezokpiraka/Robocopter87 ()
TheLonging/singersigner (also-claimed Loose Cannon, after ooba claimed. Has one (claimed) shot left to use.)
xvart ()
Yosarian2 ()

I am VERY likely missing something, as this is only from memory. Feel free to add on to this. That's the point of making this list, so we don't HAVE to rely on memory, and we can easily compare and contrast people's actions/claims/etc at a glance.

One thing I've learned from past games is that if we keep a running tally of what's happened and when, that a town win is MUCH more likely. For an example, check out Wisborg Asylum large theme. We literally CRUSHED the three scum factions, and had a 9-1 town endgame and nailed the final scum easily.

Also, I may be starting an alliance soon. As is becoming the usual, Andrius is tentatively invited.

I claimed before anyone else did.
I investigated you N0.
I also investigated ooba N1. You forget that?

Thanks for the tentative invite.

[Andrius]

RC:
You might want to add vezok/Robo's NP actions, just so we have them.

Hang on a second.
Robo, how about you nameclaim, and claim what you'll do after the town wins. Also, is your rolename really "Cult Doctor"? Because I'm a Cop but called "Enforcer".
We need more credibility.

Also, Chronopie could consider doing the same. We know he's a "Whore", so.

[Andrius]

Thanks for doing the work for me, gandalf. lol

But yeah. What's yours, Robo?

[Andrius]

Oh that!

I'll be able to be a Lawyer like I always wanted!

Makes sense.
Given Consigliere are lawyers, in essence. :/

Meh. I'll try to stpo myself from senselessly voting people. lol

So I'm looking at: Yosarin2/ReaperCharlie/Chronopie tonight.

[Andrius]

I don't think he did either.

[Andrius]

So I'm looking at: Yosarin2/ReaperCharlie/Chronopie tonight.

That's fine, but you probably shouldn't talk about who you're going to target if the scum have a roleblocker.

Its WIFOM. If I'm targeting town, they won't need to roleblock me, as I won't pull a guilty.
But if I name some scumbags, I'll be blocked and therein have some info.

And RC, I'm just spouting WIFOM. lol

RC is making good points in regards to Andrius. At some point he's dying. Let's lynch Friend.

I'm the one dying, yes?

[Andrius]

Soooo why aren't we lynching the obv_recruit? Its better than a town lynch.

And RC, I've *supposedly* been protected from recruiters for the past few nights.

ooba is known for asking Vigs to kill themselves. He told AGM to self-kill in Greek Mythos. (He didn't.)
BUT I normally recommend going with your gut.

More later. Falling aslssp at the moment.

[Andrius]

Ugh. I'm not feeling inHim scum right now. I've never seen him as scum though, so.
:/ Meh.
When's deadline again? /looking

[Andrius]

No, I went to look for the deadline for myself, and didn't plan on coming back. I have a headache after blaring DISTURBED into my skull while swarthing my way through rereads. :/

YOU NEED 3 PEOPLE TOO, RC. AFTER YOU PLEASE. <3

[Andrius]

In no particular order: ooba, yos2, friend, inhim

One o' thems is a recruiter, almost guaranteed.

IF EVERYONE ELSE COULD PLEASE LIST THEIR TOP 3 RECRUITER CANDIDATES I WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL.

I'll investigate one of them tonight.
How about that RC?

p.s. NOT OOBA, D'OH

FRIEND IS ON MY LIST TOO

LYNCH HIM?

[Andrius]

*facepalm*
GURGI IS TOWN. WHY DO YOU WANT HIM DEAD?

[Andrius]

So.
I have good news and bad news.
Which do you want first?

[Andrius]

Good news: I got a guilty.
Bad news: He's probably not the recruiter. But at least we got a guaranteed scum lynch today. /is useful

Though bad things will happen to a certain someone if something goes wrong with this...

[Andrius]

I can't look at Flameaxe without imagining Bill Cosby getting laid with some random hooker. XD

@ Erg0:

Aim: Yosarin2

Until we have something better to go off of, I'm willing to spray his brains on the wall. Nothing personal dude. I enjoyed playing with you.
He's not the recruiter because nothing has happened to me as far as I know. Also, (while its not the most reliable information), the flavor said he was clearly working for

one of the

Sons. While this is flavor it does suggest:
1) 2 sons are seperate
2) he's not a recruiter

Anyone got anything better to go off of? I like this game because I don't have to play catch-up.

[Andrius]

And if I didn't make it clear, I got a guilty on Yos.

[Andrius]

And I knocked him out with the door to his room. /is amazing

[Andrius]

xvart. That is a shitty vote.
I investigated Gurgi N2. He was town then, THEREFORE IS NOT RECRUITER.

I'd be down for an Erg0 lynch. Gut scum read since D1. I was hoping I'd die N1 and be able to see how good my original reads were, but...

@ Singersigner: You are killing Yosarin2 tonight, unless there are any better ideas.

I love how Yos still can't spell my name right...

ANYWAY. List of non-Recruiters:
ReaperCharlie
Lord Gurgi
Yosarin2

ooba isn't on here for obv. reasons.

[Andrius]

Also, posting THIS for something that (hopefully I'll remember) to work on later.

What we know: On D2 there were the following in Known_Cult: RECRUITER, Yosarin2, Me=Weird.
We also know that Gurgi was NOT recruited by then.

SO:
We go back to D2, take account of all the flips, info we know now, and look for the 2nd cult.

[Andrius]

More to come later, but:

RC, what is your name?

I had this nagging feeling that there had to be more than 2 of us; especially if one of us got the axe early on (*COUGHCOUGFAIL_FURCOLOWCOUGHCOUGH*).

[Andrius]

Andrius - Town
Chronopie - Town, Confirmed N3 by RC
Erg0 - Prob. Recruiter
Flameaxe - ???
gandalf5166 - WHAT ARE YOU AGAIN?
Katsuki
Lord Gurgi - Town, Confirmed N2 by Andy
ooba - Prob. Scum Recruit
Porochaz
ReaperCharlie - Town
Robocopter87 - Town
singersigner - STATUS UPDATE. YOU KILLED ANYONE Y/N?
xvart - Prob. Recruitee/er
Yosarian2 - Confirmed Recruit

SS, how do you feel about shooting ooba in the face?

[Andrius]

P.S., <3's to Chronopie.

You think we should massclaim today? If Yos is corrent then we're in LyLo of sorts. :/

[Andrius]

OK WOW.

SINGERSIGNER KILL OOBA TONIGHT. IF YOU DO NOT THEN YOU AND HIM ARE SCUMBUDDIES.

This is quickly turning into Comedy of Whims... we're reaching the point where the town cannot win... all the loose cannons need to shoot and be done with. We can't let the scum have any NKs. If we control the lynch we can win.

But problem is the recruiters. And the recruits. I'm beginning to wonder if the town is already screwed...

NO MATTER. WE FIGHT ON TIL THE END.

Holster

Yos, is there a limit to how large the cult can grow?
I ask because your cult needs to ally with the town for now, to shrink the size of the other cult. Yeah, we can't win together, but we will both lose NOW if the other cult isn't stopped.

Also, do you want to take responsibility for any of the NKs- as representative from your cult? I'm trying to find the other team as best as I can.

RC, ENFORCER ALLIANCE TIME?!? I THINK SO.
WE ORGANIZE MASSCLAIM NEXT.

[Andrius]

WAIT WHAT SINGERSIGNER SHOT SOMEONE?!?!

Oh.
/facepalm

As regarding the Role PMs, I considered the fact that we might be revealed to the Son if we investigate them, or we are de-powered or given a post restriction where we can't say his name or something. Meh.

HEY SO WHAT IF I AM STUPID.

I FIGURE A DEAD RECRUITEE IS BETTER THAN DEAD TOWNIES. I DIDNT INCLUDE MYSELF BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO BE ALL "OH LOOK AT ME IM CONFIRMED TOWN" WHEN IM NOT.

AND YOU ARENT CONFIRMED TOWN EITHER. SO STUF THE FUCK UP.

Ugh.

I am reading SAIII now. Be back later.


@ Yos: I was just wondering, regarding the NKs. Trying to figure out if you guys actually have a NK or not. :/

[Andrius]

I'm starting to wonder if the 2nd cult can win AT ALL.
Especially since we can always go down swinging Yos from a rope.

This is like Comedy of Whims, but it isn't, because I'm not guaranteed an auto-win...

[Andrius]

Gurgi is definitely reading as large-cult-scum.

Yos, is Gurgi with you guys? We need a good, guaranteed kill on a Large_Cult member. So do you. We can't win without your help here, you can't win without ours.

Definitely thinking Erg0 as #1 pick for recruiter...

[Andrius]

And I am really sad there is no Mason Recruiter. I had high hopes for one...

[Andrius]

C'mon Gurgi. You're not helping.

I AM NOT SCUM. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE SCUM BECAUSE ROBO HAS BEEN COVERING MY ASS FOR NEARLY THE WHOLE GAME MINUS N0, BUT IM NO ONE IMPORTANT SO NO ONE RECRUITS ME N0. *sigh*

GOD YOU PEOPLE. WHERE AER YOU YOS.

[Andrius]

Maybe they blocked someone else? The other team's recruiter? IDK I AM NOT SCUM. I AM NOT PAID TO THINK.

GODDAMNIT. AM I GOING CRAZY?!?!!? HOW ARE YOU AND HIM IN THE SAME CULT? THATS NOT POSSIBLE. YOU AND HIM CANNOT HAVE BEEN RECRUITED INTO THE SAME CULT ON THE SAME NIGHT.

[Andrius]

I'm no good, actually.
And not good enough for anyone, apparently.

Anyway. I am confused as to how you both can have been recruited the same night to the same cult. Feel free to explain it. :/

[Andrius]

No, I was making sure that you WEREN'T allied with him.
Because if you aren't with him and you are scum you're with THEM.
And a prime backup-lynch candidate.

[Andrius]

I'm not on Yos' side. I couldn't have been recruited save on N0.

We're lynching you if we can't find the recruiter. Which we will.

[Andrius]

Aim: Erg0

Unsatisfied with his response. Obv. counting on his buddies to help him out.

NO SHIT ITS NOT ME OR RC.

[Andrius]

I like how Chronopie is getting active. Reminds me of SSBMafia.

Yos is probably lying. About alot. Meh. :/

[Andrius]

I think our alliance is rather large. :S
I agree with Chrono. And Poro. Definitely not ooba, due to N1. No to Yos, who is lying like a rug. Not Gurgi. Not Erg0. Not xvart.
gandalf perhaps. Meh.

MEH. I want to trust you, Reaper. I really do. I want us to lead an alliance as two Cops. But we have this personal history, see, where you deceived me and killed me and my Godson. So I'm going to be a bit more cautious.

I still read Erg0 as scum. Possibly recruiter. Anyone else down to vote him?

[Andrius]

Whoever asked Yos if the cults started with 2 members, I would like to submit the following:
N0 existed so they could choose their #2.

[Andrius]

No, Furc was Enforcer. Like us.

You make a good tinfoil theorist, but I'm not sure I buy it. :/

Erg0 or ooba?

[Andrius]

zwet.
ooba.
longing/singersigner.
+1?
I thought we had 4...

[Andrius]

HE CLAIMED VIG?
I don't remember that...

/dumb-as-shit

[Andrius]

Katsuki, you fail. Don't replace in unless you're willing to catchup.

Moar Erg0 votes please.
And can we cut the crap on the setup speculation? Flay won't answer any questions, and ooba is only further scummifying himself by arguing for a mass-RBer.
SRSLY.

WE ARE HERE TO LYNCH SCUM RECRUITERS, NOT SETUP SPECULATE. ITS DAY 4 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

[Andrius]

Man, I have just over 10% of the posts in this game. 244 of 2312.

Flameaxe: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2519712 Here's what you want.

[Andrius]

Erg0 is diverting wagon away from himself. It doesn't matter if ooba is his scum or not.
He's diverting away from him. HRM.

Moar votes.

[Andrius]

ooba is scum with Erg0.
Moving on.

[Andrius]

No.

LARGE Cult
Erg0
ooba
xvart

Small Cult
Yosarin2 (I have my doubts about his claim)

Town
Andy
Chrono
RC (Doubts here, but meh. not recruiter)

[Andrius]

Everyone voting ooba must redirect to Erg0.
Or else you too are a scumbag.

Everyone not voting Erg0 must redirect to Erg0.

[Andrius]

Fuck this.
I trust Chrono and Robo.
Even RC is kinda' MEHHHH ATM. Ugh.
This game, <3 but confusing.

I can get down with ooba-lynch, but still.

[Andrius]

Catching up in all my games later on.

But someone asked for this, so:
N0: Knocked RC out with a blow to the back of the head. He's still fending for himself; aka, town. Aka, not recruiter.
N1: Sucker-punched ooba in the face. Couldn't find anything to determine his alignment.
N2: Clubbed Gurgi over the head with a blackjack. Still fending for himself.
N3: Slammed the door on Yos' face. He has a phone, money, and cipher'd messages. Clearly states he's working for one of the sons.

[Andrius]

RC, Seriously?

I am keeping a Cop from getting recruited. And you just want me to jump onto someone else just to lose Andrius?

I say you've been recruited RC.

+1
/studying for test

[Andrius]

I'm here I'm here don't replace me Flay!

Catching up in a couple hours when I'm at the library. Now I'm getting un-/aslssp'd.

[Andrius]

ReaperCharlie is probably a recruitee, so I'm not taking anything he says as truth.
He was probably never even an Enforcer; his FV claim was same as mine (IIRC), and we investigated the same people (WTF).

Both him and Yos need to be censured; nothing they say can be taken as 1oo% truth.

[Andrius]

EBWOP: And ooba. And Gurgi. And xvart.

[Andrius]

While I may have proposed theories that RC-Andr might be fakeclaiming to explain the non-results earlier in the day, I have never advocated an RC lynch. Not a recruiter is what my gut has been telling me for a long time. So I didn't goad Darox into this.

Because I fakeclaimed D1, and did it so perfectly that it matched the flavor and title of the other FLIPPED Enforcer, furcolow, who claimed AFTER I did.

[Andrius]

NO NO NO!!! NO RC LYNCH! NO OOBA LYNCH! STOP BEING STUPID!!!

QFT QFT!!!

[Andrius]

It makes me undecided.

But if it'll help you sleep at night, I'll vote RC because I still think he is a legitimate lynch choice today.

Aim: ReaperCharlie

While I think RC is Cult, I don't think he's recruiter, and therein a bad lynch for now.

[Andrius]

We are NOT letting prob_cult Gurgi change our bandwagon at deadline.
I'll vote ooba if necessary, but vote stays where it is for now.

How much time do we have left?

[Andrius]

ReaperCharlie is probably a recruitee, so I'm not taking anything he says as truth.
He was probably never even an Enforcer; his FV claim was same as mine (IIRC), and we investigated the same people (WTF).

Both him and Yos need to be censured; nothing they say can be taken as 1oo% truth.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... *frowns, tries again*

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... *motions for everyone to sing along*

*tries one more time... realizes it'll just be him by himself... realizes that's not so bad*

HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU
HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU
HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY DEARRRRRR ANDRIUUUUUUSSSS
HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU

<3

Didn't see this 'til now. lol
Thanks RC, but you avoided the statement.

[Andrius]

Meh. He's been under-the-radar.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's recruitee, but I'm reading him as leaning town, so.

I will not out-think myself.
I will not out-think myself.
I will not out-think myself.

[Andrius]

Anyone have a clue as to the time remaining until deadline?

[Andrius]

*realizes that RC's case is horrifically tinfoil-y and doesn't feel like lynching a claimed PR at this point over said tinfoil-y-ness.*

OK, I AM CONFUSED.

OOBA IS JUST A LOOSE CANNON, YES?
IF NOT PLEASE TELL ME OTHERWISe.

[Andrius]

No, you called him a PR.
Assuming that he's STILL only a Loose Cannon, that means he's just a VT now.

[Andrius]

New deadline makes me a happy panda.

I'm considering hammering.

[Andrius]

The heavy resistance to voting Quagmire is noted.

[Andrius]

I am both not limited but at the same time very much limited. You might be able to guess my role.

Explain this, gandalf.

[Andrius]

DONT BE SAD GANDALF.
WE ARE UNITED AS THE TOWN. WE CANNOT GIVE IN TO THE CULTISTS DEMANDS.
/Comedy of Whims

UGH. WHY DOES DEADLINE HAVE TO BE SO SOON?!?

Anyone want to do an unofficial votecount for me? <3

[Andrius]

Waiting for Gurgi/gandalf to resolve...

[Andrius]

I have no idea, xvart.
No idea.

[Andrius]

Tinfoil theory: ooba is Yos' recruiter. Gandalf was recruit.

[Andrius]

Because you're the only townie on the wagon.

You forget that RC isn't town-aligned. I'd bet an investigation that he has already been recruited.

[Andrius]

I think I found the/a recruiter last night
Getting some mod clarification as to what happened to me, but I'm certain I found one

[Andrius]

I can't explain it ooba's, but it wasn't the same person/same thing at all. Now we know ooba is town, so he was most likely Framed (or I was RB'd by a non-whore). (Not counting RC_Cult's "Invsetigation".)

BUT this result wasn't from a Roleblocker; elsewise I would have had flavor with an attractive lady or something.

[Andrius]

Robo, when did you start protecting me?

Just need a quick refresher before.
Still haven't heard from Flay...

[Andrius]

Wait, Chrono, you got WHAT kind of flavor RBing quagmire?

[Andrius]

One of those five is who I investigated.
And they're the recruiter.

I agree with Kill/Recruit.

Still waiting on:
-Flay's clarification
-Robo's clarification

[Andrius]

Because I might have suffered the consequences of "investigating one of the sons".
Flay said something and I want to make sure it was a joke and not something severe.

@ Chrono: I just had to make sure of something. You did succeed, yes?

[Andrius]

I was going to wait for RC to claim, as I don't trust him one bit, but we have shortened deadline so

Aim: Quagmire

I investigated him because I suspected Erg0 since D1. And he was horrid on his own.

Pay attention; I don't want to write this out for each of you when you ask me for flavor:
I was blocked outside his room by a large threatening person (idk who). He told me there were people watching me (non-quoted, can elaborate in you want, but would skate more detail), and that I should run along. As I sneak back enpty-handed I know that they saw me.

So I think the Son is alerted to the fact I attempted to investigate him. Still waiting to hear back from Flay and see if I lost my vote or not. (He said something along these lines, but it might have been in response to a joke I added in the PM.)


And if you were wondering, the flavor was definitely threatening. The person was not here to help me, and I was definitely watched by someone.

[Andrius]

Translation: xvart is, as Andy suspected since D1, scum.
No hammer from him.

[Andrius]

Oops.
Andy fails at reading.
Andy watching South Park now.

[Andrius]

You're both retarded.

[Andrius]

So ITT Darox is recruited by Quagmire?

xvart.

No. ITT you are recruited by Quagmire. lol

Who was recruited by Flay...

[Andrius]

Reading RC's posts after hearing his voice makes everything read 100x better.

[Andrius]

Well...

Looking for recruitment. Good skills, low self-esteem.

[Andrius]

WOW. WHY THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS GIVING IN?
CHRONO, I AM DISAPPOINT.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

The cults probably have a cap.
Most of the town is running around panicking (Chrono).
COME ON GUYS.
PRETEND THAT I AM A MASON RECRUITER AND THAT I CAN ONLY RECRUIT EVERY OTHER NIGHT, SINCE I GOTTA' INVESTIGATE YOU FIRST.
SHIT PEOPLE.

TOWN.
IS.
GOING.
TO.
WIN.

[Andrius]

So, RC, I'm at home! I got a flight and made it here for Thanksgiving! How about sometime Saturday for vent?

[Andrius]

Thanks!

Hrm... this is going to be tough, since I don't have a load of free time like I would have had if I stayed at campus...
/should probably take this to PM
//lazy
When would be good for you?

[Andrius]

Its not really another game. lol
/runs off to find said thread

[Andrius]

Sorry. ^^;

I should sleep, actually. Too busy working on my game.

[Andrius]

Well, while I wait for my PM from Flay, I'm going to hunt for the last recruiter.
NVM GOT THE PM

XVART IS SCUM

Andrius - Town Badass > Not recruiter
Chronopie - confirmed RB, > Not recruiter
Darox - > willing to guess that he's not a recruiter, due to massive lurkage/flakage; not trusting RC
Flameaxe - POTENTIAL RECRUITER
Lord Gurgi - Confirmed town by me > not recruiter
Porochaz - POTENTIAL RECRUITER
ReaperCharlie - Confirmed as town N0 > not recruiter
Robocopter87 - maybe?
singersigner - Confirmed Loose Cannon > not recruiter
xvart - Confirmed scum > not recruiter
Yosarian2 - Confirmed Scum. > not recruiter

Darox - > willing to guess that he's not a recruiter, due to massive lurkage/flakage; not trusting RC
Flameaxe - POTENTIAL RECRUITER
Porochaz - POTENTIAL RECRUITER
Robocopter87 - maybe?

Gurgi is also scum

RECRUITER IS IN HERE, IMO:
FLAMEAXE
POROCHAZ

Claims from them would be nice. NO ONE ELSE THOUGH. We gotta work through this.

Also note that xvart and Yos are 100% confirmed scum.
RC is dodgy b/c I got my PM as he posted. If scum has DayTalk, he's probably with them. And probably the cult with the recruiter alive.
Gurgi is 90% scum, IMO.

That's that.

-Umberto the Enforcer

[Andrius]

If, for some IMPOSSIBLE REASON we have a town-aligned loose cannon with a shot left, feel free to shoot one of the following:
Yosarin2
xvart
Gurgi

[Andrius]

Ugh. Forgot about Poro's Prostitute claim.

That leaves... FLAMEAXE
HRMMM

CLAIM TIME.

[Andrius]

Mobsters still in the building

1. Andrius, Enforcer
2. Chronopie, Prostitute
3. Darox, ???
4. Flameaxe, ???
5. Lord Gurgi, ??? (though I somehow remember him claiming Goon)
6. Porochaz, Prostitute
7. ReaperCharlie, Enforcer
8. Robocopter87, Consigliere
9. singersigner, Loose Cannon
10. xvart, ??? SCUM
11. Yosarin2, ??? SCUM

I promise I'll stop posting now. lol

[Andrius]

Ok, I was just confused.
Because I distrust RC claiming the same role as me. And Harry Potter Mafia.
Basically, I don't want to trust him in my reasoning. I can do this without him.

How is that pretty weak stuff?

xvart is scum and doesn't need to claim.
I somehow remember Gurgi claiming VT; could be wrong.
They can claim if they want to, lol.

[Andrius]

No, I usually got PMs before the thread opened, and this time it was different. :S

It wasn't an Enforcer thing; it was probably just Flay.

[Andrius]

p.s. Soft defense of RC is noted.
God this game. So many scum...

[Andrius]

Andrius, am I missing something? In your opening post of today, you say that Lord Gurgi is town, as investigated by you, and now you say he's scum in the same post? Can you explain that please?

He investigated town earlier.
All that means is that

he can't be a cult recruiter

. He can still be (and probably is) a recruit.

And since we're looking for the last recruiter, we have to pass him by until then.

[Andrius]

No, I usually got PMs before the thread opened, and this time it was different. :S

It wasn't an Enforcer thing; it was probably just Flay.

And yet he predicted the exact thing that happened to you before you even said a word?

This has got to be the worst attempt at distancing I have ever seen.

Flay wouldn't deliberately send some PMs before opening and some after, right?

@ Chrono: I "kosh" him in the head. Room has a smartphone, undecipherable notes, and oodles of cash. Flay pretty much says he's confirmed scum too. lol

[Andrius]

No, I usually got PMs before the thread opened, and this time it was different. :S

It wasn't an Enforcer thing; it was probably just Flay.

And yet he predicted the exact thing that happened to you before you even said a word?

This has got to be the worst attempt at distancing I have ever seen.

This?

[Andrius]

Andy - why didn't you investigate Flameaxe last night when you were told to do so?

I was?

I agree that Darox is cult.

I trust little of what xvart said. Whether he is in the large or small cult is irrelevant. Because Yos claimed he was the "smaller cult" but xvart claimed "dead recruiter" so we have some discrepancies. I distrust his claim that he tried to kill RC, because, well, if xvart is going down it'll make RC look more town that he isn't. (If you're town, forgive me. But I can't assume you are because of Harry Potter Mafia.)

1. player-WIFOM: why didn't andrius investigate flameaxe? why did he investigate xvart instead?

Again, I must have missed the memo. I was too wrapped around hunting down all my D1 scumreads. I DID choose between Flameaxe and xvart, but xvart was a scum read from D1 and Ani was just off.

At any rate, Poro is not a recruiter. Because Flay confirmed two females, and if no one else claims RB then it has to be Poro and Chrono, making them FEMALE and not the Don's SONS.

So we're looking at: Darox, Flameaxe, Robo as my Recruiter suspects. *sigh* And no, I'm not trusting RC's reads at this point.
The best thing that could have happened was RC getting killed, then I would actually TRUST his reads without a doubt.

Team A:
Recruiter
Yosarin2

Team B:
xvart

Do either of you guys want to claim M=W?

tl;dr:
I do not trust xvart. He claimed scum and is spouting potential mis-information ot throw us off. He should be censured. Along with Yos, who self-censures. Gurgi too. Hell, Darox too. Again, any loose cannons can feel free to shoot these people at will.

Ugh. I want to trust Chrono. I really do. But I've seen him actually TRY as non-town and he can be pretty good. Stunningly good. So I'm a tad wary of him.

[Andrius]

Also, the RBs are probably in Team A and the town. Unless its an elaborate gambit. Which, I doubt. lol

[Andrius]

Actually, you're right.
Because I'm willing to bet there's only like 3 non-recruited townies left, including me.
And that makes me a sad panda.

[Andrius]

Ugh. I just want to bang my head on the wall.

I need some time to think.
Time to compile my thoughts and MAYBE, just MAYBE...

...



reread the entire thread.


Yeah.

[Andrius]

*remembers specifically that last time Andrius said he was gonna re-read the thread*

*remembers specifically that Andrius was scummy scum and was then lynched*

*remembers... well, you get the picture*

When was this?
When was the last time I was scum with you?

[Andrius]

I meat with you playing.

Yeah, I remember it now.
But this is a 118 page game, so it might not happen. lol

So, uh, does anyone want to point me in the direction of where I was told to investigate Flameaxe?

[Andrius]

Gurgi, that post made me laugh so hard. Me and my "Canadian" accent.

So yeah. I'm committed to rereading the entire game.
I don't know how long it will take me, but I am committed to winning this game.
Which involves some cooperation with cults, but yeah.

I fear that, unlike A Comedy of Whims, the town will cease to exist when all is said and done. Which I will actively attempt to prevent.
I fear that by the time the remaining townies are organized the cults will be so large that, even if we are able to name all the members, we couldn't lynch them.
Which bothers me.

Nonetheless, I am committed to this game, and I will reread.

The hunt is afoot.

-Umberto

[Andrius]

What I'd like from everyone who has claimed a power role, is for them to claim all their night actions again. That'll help me so that I don't have to ISO hunt all of you.
Reading the thread while knowing how the actions play out should help, especially with recruits/killings/ investigations/blocks.

Please and thank you.

-Umberto

[Andrius]

RC. All night actions now, please.
Same for everyone else who's already claimed.

I CAN ISO, but I'd rather not.

[Andrius]

So the town knows that the two RBers are not on the same team. We also know that two people have committed night actions that would be beneficial as Cult: Prozac RBing the claimed RBer whatever night that was. And Andy investigating a proven RBer looking for a recruiter.

I'll post more later about the bodyguard issue and respond to the other comments, but I wanted to throw this out there while a few people were on.

xvart.

I never investigated either of them.
RC investigated Chrono, not me.

[Andrius]

I did not submit an action to bodyguard Quagmire last night; but I suppose it is possible that Quag told Flay to have me BG him without me knowing or telling the QT

You claiming bodyguard, yes?

Just as a FYI, I'm not going to claim anymore of my actions unless it will help nail the other Cult. And I think that is fair considering how much I've already given.

I understand. You hadn't claimed a role so I wasn't expecting you to.
But, to sate my own curiosity, do you mind telling me your name?

How many VT claims/flips have there been?

Faraday, Friend, gandalf, Darox, Flameaxe, Me=Weird. 4 dead, 2 alive.

ii) idk about Poro, but I'm still town.

Trust me, I want to believe you're town. I'm just unsure, and am partly rereading to solidify my own reads.

So wait. I only pulled a guilty on Quagmire because he killed someone N4? He killed ooba, yes?

Still working on my notes before I start the read.

I have actions for:
Chrono, ReaperC
Missing N1 from Porochaz.
Missing N0 from Robocopter.

And if someone wants to tell me who ooba shot, that'd be great.

[Andrius]

Wait, xvart, was M=W with you or Yos?
If you don't want to tell that's fine, I just somehow remember you saying something like that, and wanted clarification.

[Andrius]

Oh shhh.
What is your character's name, if I may ask?

I'm currently working on my tinfoil theories ATM.


predit: Great, Strongman Recruiters.
No, that probably means someone else killed him.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

Ok, thanks Chrono.

[Andrius]

So it was you I saw outside Quagmire's room on N4.
Evidentially you're a formidable force.

Going to test something out.
xvart, does the Recruiter have to be the killer (assuming he is alive), if you decide to kill instead of recruit?

[Andrius]

I know that, but if he is alive, does he have to be the one to kill?

[Andrius]

Ok, that shoots down TinFoil #2...

[Andrius]

(I feel like some type of job interviewer. lol)

So, we know you guys killed Me=Weird, since he's dead and not in your cult. Did you guys kill ooba?

[Andrius]

No big. I expected as much.
I'm pinning recruitees to their respective cults at the moment.
Going to ISO Yos now, and see if I can find what I was looking for.

Though I should really start this Bio presentation...

[Andrius]

Ok, "last" question before I do something else:
Do you want to share when you were recruited?

I'm also curious to see if my scumdar was spot-on D1, or you're just naturally this scummy to me.

[Andrius]

Saw that one coming too. Well, at least I think I've nailed one of your buddies, so.

Seriously, Chrono and Poro need to stop double-RBing. Doesn't help much. --;

Did Erg0/Quagmire ever claim a role before he/she was lynched?

Glad to see Yos/xvart interactions. Reminds me of when Yos was outed not too long ago.


predit2: I already asked that, RC.

[Andrius]

Hey xvart, sorry to ask another (stupid) question, but could you bodyguard and kill at the same time?

[Andrius]

Oh, and Congrats, AV!

[Andrius]

Goddamn. Wrong thread.
AurorousVox got engaged.

[Andrius]

We're too busy posting pictures of "haters gonna hate".

I'm going to work on my bio presentation now.

[Andrius]

Chrono, you seem bored.
Do me a favor and go ISO Quagmire and see if he ever claimed a role before his lynch.
It is important to a tinfoil theory.

Thanks.

-Crazy Hand

[Andrius]

ITT we learn Robo has been recruited at some point.

Reference:

Damn you, RC. We almost attempted to kill you last night, but instead opted for killing Yos2. I was RBed twice.

Aim: ReaperCharlie

Definitely.
Either way, that means I've been up for recruition the past couple nights, but no one's done so because the Cult that Robo isn't in thinks he's legit and I'm protected, and the cult Robo is in knows not to recruit me and/or doesn't want to.

And if he is in a cult, he's probably with Yosarian, as Yos is cult and made the comment that his cult tried to recruit me, which would both give town-cred to Robo, AND make us think that their cult is smaller than it actually is.

/adding that to my tinfoil theories.

I'm going to hold out on my theories until I start the reread, which should be tonight/tomorrow.

Gurgi is either claiming scum or Unrecruited Goon, from my reasoning. Feel free to clarify though. I can crumb my own role, but don't do well with picking up other crumbs.

Also, I think we should pressure Yosarin to claim. Not only because he is the last one to not claim (besides Gurgi) but he is confirmed scum in the alive recruiter's cult, and he is the optimal lynch if we can't find the recruiter. In fact my

First Play

is to force a claim from him. I'm expecting him to claim something, and I want to see if I'm seeing this correctly.

So yeah. Reread starting today/tomorrow; I ask that we don't rush into anything in the meantime. I have the "orange" recruiter narrowed down to two players, so. (Orange, in my notes, are the Cult that still has the recruiter. Purple is Quagmire's cult.)

Chrono, xvart could be lying about the attempted kill on RC. Come on. You're better than that, I know it and you know it.

Hey Gurgi, what do you think of Darox? Scum/Town/Recruiter?

Chrono: What do you think of the chances of Yosarian and singersigner being in the same cult?

/reaction fishing

I have to finish my bio presentation now. Be back later tonight.

[Andrius]

Ok Chrono, since you're here, which team is Poro on, if you're town?

[Andrius]

Tinfoil Theory 2 was disproved earlier, and I don't remember what it was.

Tinfoil/Mathematical Theory 4: Orange Cult had 3 members as of D4. Members are: Recruiter, Yosarian2, Recruitee.

Part of what I'm doing is looking into night actions, no-kill nights, and trying to see how big the cults are, and how they grew.
For example: the night M=W was killed the purple team didn't recruit, and the orange cult had no net change in membership. (-1, +1)

Tinfoil Theory 6: As cult recruit, you cannot use your PR and kill during the same night.
This has since been proven false, IIRC.

I'm going to hold off on some other ones until I get started on the reread, but:

Tinfoil 1: Seraphim replaced out because he was recruited by vezokpiraka on N0

Been mentioned before, but I haven't forgotten it

Tinfoil 3: ReaperCharlie is Purple Scum, recruited somewhere in the range of N1-N3.

I want to look into this some more, but if I had to place him somewhere, he'd be purple. If you want some preliminary evidence, look at him and xvart on D4, and see how they are voting. Pretty much anyone BUT Erg0/Quagmire, even though I called wagon on Quag. They led a massive wagon on ooba, then swapped to gandalf at the last minute.
My initial guess was N1, since the purple cult successfully killed orange M=W N2. And his result on ooba was copied from me; the real result could have been on M=W, or on some other random townie.

Oh, and look how singersigner quickly jumps onto the gandalf wagon too. HRM.

Not tinfoil, but SS is cult.

That's why she double-voted; to keep herself alive. SS is probably orange, too.

Withholding 5 until later, which is all my insight into who Orange Recruiter is.

p.s. Chrono and Poro are not in the same faction. And they are *most likely* not both Purple. (B/c Quagmire and xvart are both purple.)

[Andrius]

Not so.
You are in the cult with the recruiter, and killing you is the 2nd-best play we can make. So yeah. While you may refuse to claim, you are target #2 at the moment.

[Andrius]

We can't rule out Prozac, either; because he could be claiming a recruited persons night actions.

Running out the door, but a valid point; tinfoil.

p.s. xvart, you probably protected Quag N4, as I saw you outside the door, and it makes sense now.

Waiting for Flay on something of mine too; want to make sure its legal before I do it. lol

/class

[Andrius]

Seriously, RC, if we don't lynch recruiter today we might consider cross-investigating tonight; that way we'll know if we're both town; and therein quasi-masons. <3

[Andrius]

Sorry, trusting you isn't something I can do right now, especially since I think you're purple.

RC, which cult do you think SS is in? Chrono? Poro?

[Andrius]

P.S. How do you know we've lost?

You have secret access to the scum wincon or something?

[Andrius]

Evidence coming later on. But your atypical "that's sooooo stupid" is noted. lol

RC. WHAT ABOUT SS??

Because I didn't get the memo. And I had a much better read on xvart I needed to settle.

[Andrius]

RC, you forgot the cult kills on Me=Weird, the kill on ooba, and failed attempts. We're not as bad off as you.

Good, because I'm starting to think purple looks like: Quagmire, xvart, RC, SS, ???
That's my pre-read purple, so.

Orange is: Yosarian2, ORANGE RECRUITER, ???, Chrono/Poro

[Andrius]

Not yet.
I do suspect him, but I'm not voting yet, as I'm town and not willing to let the only reliable weapon the town has left be decided by quick-hammering cultists.

Fine.

Purple Cult: Quagmire

, xvart, ReaperCharlie, singersigner, ???

Orange Cult: ???

, Yosarian2, Chrono/Poro, ???, ???

Potential Orange Recruiters:

Flameaxe, Darox, Robocopter87

Read D4, from the ooba at L-1 to the end of the day. Tell me that xvart and RC cannot be buddies. SS is #3 IMO.
Sadly though, we need to hit ORANGE.

[Andrius]

I have this nagging feeling that Gurgi is actually town.
Orange because red was taken first, as probably recruiters.
And orange is more of a cult-y color. lol

[Andrius]

Yeah, I see the sense.
UNLESS he isn't actually a consigliere, and I've been available the entire time.

And THAT is a tinfoil.
Which I might have mentioned earlier...

[Andrius]

Yes.
But I want to reread. It'll be harder though, since the scum multiply, but it needs to be done.

[Andrius]

I didn't reread last night.
I haven't started yet.
I had a massive bio project due an hour ago, and I did all the work last night.

Last night was me working on the tinfoil theories, and setting up how I want to do the reread.

[Andrius]

Oh.
I meant Super Smash Bros. Mafia. lol
Chrono was SK in that game, and made it all the way to LyLo, where he was lynched by the last scum, who was endgame'd by the one-night bulletproof-vig-mason.

No way in hell (despite my awesome read of Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum) that I'd read a 120 page game in one night. lol

[Andrius]

Despite the general belief that I have to be scum if Robo is recruiter, I am not opposed to lynching him today based on his claim.

Reread soonish. Ugh. Life is kinda meh right now.

[Andrius]

Yeah, I got that much. They either have 4/5 based on who killed ooba.
And since NEITHER OF YOU are claiming it then we're going to assume both of you won't fess up.
Your group had 3 on D4. Its D6. You have 5 now. They have a max of 5.
That means, AT MOST: 5:5:1.

So yeah.
Man. And if it IS 5:5:1 then it sucks. Bad.
Ugh.

[Andrius]

@ Xvart/Yos: So do you know what happens if both cults attempt to recruit the same person one night?

[Andrius]

Yeah, interesting. Just like... ummm... what game was that that I just read where they had to make a QT...
OH.
That Magicians/Hypnotists game.

So yeah. Reading thread.
Liking interactions.
Not liking how we just sat here and lynched bad town players every day.
Not liking Furcolow.
Probably not playing with him anymore.

predit @ Yos:
I need to assume that: we have to be ready for worst-case scenarios.
Though I will give you a hint, assuming my tinfoil is correct: I'm not recruited. And if tinfoil is correct, you know this too.

[Andrius]

You make a good point, Yos. But I've never lost as cult, so if you recruit me you might as well just claim your numbers and players and we'll all just lynch xvart so I can keep my winning streak.

True. That makes sense.

See, I like it when you're helpful. Even if you are

my least favorite vegetable

scum.

In other words, I love inHim D1. And I stand by my VI = town reads. Meh. Goddamn Furcolow to mafiascum hell.

[Andrius]

18% done-ish.

I've narrowed down my Orange Recruiter reads to two players.

People should post. I like taking a break to chat.

I'm also considering not sleeping until the reread is done. lol

[Andrius]

@ Flameaxe: What do you think of Yos, Poro, and Robo?

Thanks.

@ Robo: What do you think ofxvart, SS, and RC?

Thanks.

[off-topic]
@ Chrono: You definitely should have killed Nacho. Bringing a Mason into LyLo is a horrid idea. XD I know what you were trying to do, but I was SO confused.

[Andrius]

Sorry, I'm doing alot of reading and having you just re-post is easier on me than trying to hunt something down whilst reading a 123-paged game.
Thanks.

Anything else you want to say? Who are the remaining townies?
Note: There can't be more than 4/5 of them, so.

predit: Sorry xvart, you want to re-post it again? I remember seeing it, but am in the middle of reading again.

[Andrius]

No, actually.
You forget that Gurgi investigated town by me on N2.
And IIRC, Recruiter can only flip scum when he kills/recruits, and orange did recruit, so we're good there.

I have this tinfoil regarding the only remaining townies as me, Darox, and Gurgi, since we don't work well together at all, but its more speculation than theory.

HEY DAROX.
What else would you have us do? Everyone seems complacant, so I took the time from my life to sit here and attempt to read the thread again. I'm NOT doing it to be sheeped. I'm doing ot for my own reads; and hopefully encourage some people to look into stuff and see what went down and we can get discussion going.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

[Andrius]

Oh. Well, I definitely think the RBs should not block xvart. I plan on using you, tonight, in the hopes you'll kill some Orange Recruit.
So they should definitely not block me or RC, not xvart.
If orange recruiter dies, they'll shoot you guys, and we'll see what happens.

If we don't hit the recruiter today, Purple better shoot well. Orange will probably shoot, not risking a failed recruit on a townie.

predit: If Flameaxe is recruiter, then...
GAH
When did he replace in?!?

[Andrius]

Just ISO'd Flay and saw it.
Good, because that confirms something then. D2/D3 will be interesting though...

Doing a VCA when I get sick of reading.

[Andrius]

I'm going to assume I answered xvart's Q.
Just remembered the female/female thing N2; puts another tinfoil to rest.

[Andrius]

I'm going off what he said, yes.
But I did call Erg0/xvart D1, so. I feel justified in it. I understand your concern though.
Don't really have a response for it ATM.
Sorry.
Need to get working. Need to increase the reading pace if I'm going to finish before 3am.

[Andrius]

You don't have authority to say that, RC.

[Andrius]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2499113
This made me laugh so hard.

[Andrius]

To use batman in front of me, yes.

lol

Ok, I'm on D2; page 55. Ani still hasn't been replaced yet; vezok just denied being watcher; ss replaced longing and claimed loose cannon.

[Andrius]

I'll stay up until 1am for this game. That's it. I have class tomorrow, bright and early.

Though I'm beginning to see cultist tendancies in two individuals on D2; I think I found the N1 recruits.

[Andrius]

Goddamn it Chrono. Any good news?

WELL.
I think I found the N0 recruits and the N1 recruits.
Calling it a night in 12 minutes.

And I just realized that the town is probably screwed. Orange and Purple know who they are, and who they aren't, so its just a matter of who is going to win this game and who won't.
BUT I still want to go down swinging, having taken down *hopefully* both recruiters.

[Andrius]

OMG drunk Poro on the bottom of 67 to top of 68 is XDDD

[Andrius]

Sorry about the uber-shitload of posting.
I'm going to bed now.
Read 72 pages in a matter of hours.
This surpasses my epic Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum read.
And I'm not bored. I'm just ready to sleep. Class in 7 hours.

So yeah. Pretty confident in my recruit reads, and narrowed down orange recruiter to 2.
Will continue tomorrow.

Until then, mobsters.

-Umberto

[Andrius]

I actually agree with Gurgi on a number of things he's said.
More later, with the reread.

But seriously, it looks like townie like me can't win the game anymore; we have to be phased into a cult or die a loyal townie.

xvart/Yos: Do you mind telling a me what your wincon is?

[Andrius]

Hmmmm...

We have to hit the recruiter today, ; I trust you know what I'm thinking.

[Andrius]

There is no real small cult or large cult right now, if I'm right. They might differ by one member, but we shouldn't consider them large and small.
The #1 target is still Orange Recruiter, second to Orange Recruit.

[Andrius]

Beyond that... Andi, I have liked soundbites of what he has said and hated others.

If you could elaborate, that'd be great.

[Andrius]

Hey RC, what do you think of ani's play D1? And how about Flameaxe after that?
I'll resume the read at D3 once I eat lunch.

[Andrius]

I might have just forgot, but Poro, can you tell me why you RB'd Chrono N2?
Thanks.

[Andrius]

Really? Because I reread him and was more convinced he was recruiter.
But I can totally see Ani doing that as recruiter. Watching. As Vig he is active and draws his kills from lurkers and scum-reads.
And he buddied me. Alot.

[Andrius]

Never seen him as VT.
Yeah. Only as The Lunatic, Vig, Mod, etc.

Chrono, stop being dumb. Makes me think you're orange.

[Andrius]

You know what this game is reminding me of... Thrillville. Specifically: Andy-Scum. That was a good scum game from Andy...

How so?
I was completely useless there; I specifically spammed pictures and shit D1 to throw off CMAR and Plum looking into my scum meta.

I'm on page 88.

[Andrius]

Darox, link please. My eyes are shot and I'm still reading. :S

Chrono, yeah but had we gone another day I was screwed. lol

PLAN:

We lynch one of Robo/Flameaxe.
Whichever one is left isn't touched tonight.
xvart kills Yosarian2.
Chronopie blocks Yosarian2.
Porochaz blocks singersigner.
Orange will kill purple. They won't recruit this late in the game.
I'll investigate someone. Haven't decided who yet.
By blocking singersigner and RC we are forcing the cult to kill with members other than known members.

Why is Yos being blocked and killed? Simple. Killed to keep the ratio in balance. Blocked so that he can't kill, thus forcing other members of his cult to kill. Which is good, and might force the recruiter's hand so HE can kill, and I can investigate him.

[Andrius]

It effectively shuts down all the known orange members, forcing them to rely on the unknown members for night actions.
You don't sound so excited.

RC is not in this plan because he is purple scum, and has no useful investigations, if he is an Enforcer at all.
Also, Chrono and Poro are not both orange so we should be good there.

[Andrius]

Gurgi is fine. RC can investigate him for all I care.

You willing to follow the plan?

[Andrius]

Thanks, Chrono. Sometime I feel like I

am

the only town here.

Yeah... it'll be a tough call though. Too bad most of you are recruited, and none of you are willing to read anymore than you have to.

[Andrius]

@Andy: I have no qualms with the plan, really. Without rereading the last few pages to go on a wild goose chase through all these posts, is there any reason why the lynch candidates are only Robo and myself, not Gurgi (who I have no intention of lynching myself, but still, it validates a point) or Darox? I guess I missed a post where they got eliminated from discussion despite being possible candidates.

Great.
Its you and Robo because this part of me says Gurgi is town, and inHim read to me very town. Katsuki was lame as hell. (To be expected, but.) So yeah. I don't see the slot as Recruiter. MAYBE Recruit, but not recruiter.

Robo, the ATE is duly noted.

OK.
@ EVERYONE: If I FORCED you to vote between Robo and Flameaxe, who would you pick? Simple as that. One word. That's all I require. Though you may write more if you wish.

-Umberto

predit: Chrono, RC is purple scum. I don't trust any of his reads. Not even the N0 one.

[Andrius]

Ok, and something minor that I wanted to put out here as not good enough to be tinfoil but still worthy:

Quasi-Tinfoil Theory #1: Loose Cannons, when they shoot, bear no results when investigated. Similar to how recruiters bear guilties only when they shoot.

Goddamn Flameaxe.
Chrono, if you HAD to put RC in a cult (orange/purple) where would you put him and why?

[Andrius]

EBWOP: Flameaxe, where would YOU put RC? How about Chrono?

[Andrius]

No, I mean, if they were scum which faction would they be in? Orange (Yos, M=W) or Purple (Erg0/Quag, xvart)

predit:
Chrono, you always were bad at bussing your buddies.
Darox, I take it those are for me. /reading

predit2: RC, I meant singersigner and Yos.
You can bang a goat tonight for all I care. Might as well investigate yourself.

[Andrius]

UGH. First line for Flameaxe; damn ninjas.

[Andrius]

No, if you are town then you have been protecting me.
If you are a recruit you have been protecting me.

HOWEVER, if you are THE recruiter then you haven't. So yeah.

By saying I'm a recruiter, you are saying you are not part of the town. You do understand that right? Without me there is no you. Without the chicken there is no egg. I am the Chicken. And you. You are the Egg.

Yes, I know that. By saying you're the recruiter I'm saying that I've been open for recruitment for the past... 5 nights. But no one did. Because purple thought your claim was legit (and didn't want me anyway so they didn't waste time) and your cult wouldn't bother because you had to maintain your claim (because if purple shot me then you'd be outed as a flake).
So yeah.

tl;dr:
Assuming Robo is Recruiter:
Purple wouldn't try and recruit me because they believe Robo's claim.
Orange wouldn't try because if I am killed by Purple then Robo is outed as a fraud and therein they lose the Recruiter.
What does this mean? I'm still sitting here as town.

Gimme a sec' xvart. Ninjas are killing me.

Flameaxe: Interesting. Not what I expected, tbh.

[Andrius]

xvart: Poro's N2 block is dodgy as fuck.
But he couldn't have been recruited unless SS wasn't.
Hmmm...

[Andrius]

@Andy: I'm an interesting guy, what can I say. I assume an elaboration on the interesting and unexpected is to come in an extremely long winded post that is inevitably going to be simulposted by myself and two other players, right?

Also regarding your points in 3160: Basically the entire Robo situation (and I'd almost say the game in general at this point) spirals into a giant WIFOMToilet. Agree/disagree?

Long post when I'm done.

Yeah, its WIFOM. But its my tinfoil.

YOU REALLY THINK A RECRUITED CULT DOCTOR IS GOING TO PROTECT A COP HIS FACTION WANTS TO RECRUIT?

What makes you think they wanted me?


I'm at 100.

[Andrius]

All caps aside, Andy's situation isn't all too unlikely in my mind. As far as I know, Robo's claim only protects recruits, not kills. So if Andy is killed for some reason, and flips town, it helps reinforce Robo's fakeclaim.

QFT

[Andrius]

Ok, I want the following:
CLEAR indications from everyone on which lynch they prefer: Robo or Flameaxe

one-word posts. Name only.

Thank you.

-Umberto

[Andrius]

Not done reading yet.
I'll be done by tonight. I promise.
But it will be one of you two.

Everyone else, please.

[Andrius]

I'm done. Read 116 pages. I'm back at the start of D6.

Working on some sort of compiled post now.

[Andrius]

I'm done. Read 116 pages. I'm back at the start of D6.

Working on some sort of compiled post now.

Congrats on doing more reading than I ever could....

Thanks.

I'm holding off the post for awhile; hoping for some more player's robo/flameaxe preference.

[Andrius]

What do you mean, Yos? His cult is at 4-5 people, and we still need to hit you guys' recruiter.
So we're also forcing you to shoot him tonight, see?
Town wins by pitting you two against each other.
And that's what I'm doing.
We're lynching your recruiter today, so that you are forced to kill tonight.

[Andrius]

I will.
I am waiting for specific people to respond to mine.
I never really cared what you thought; I have you pegged as scum; same as Yos. His inability to respond to a query is unimportant because he's confirmed scum. I'm waiting to see what other people do, so.

Now if you'll excuse me, /waits.

[Andrius]

RC, you know you took on a different tone ever since I called you out.
No. I don't expect it to make me look more townier, or you more scummier. I'm waiting to hear from people so I can judge for myself between the two of them.

I don't have a recruiter. Even if Robo is scum I've already outlined why I haven't been recruited (and its all your favorite stuff, WIFOM! ).

Yos is attempting to create some paranoia by saying xvart and Co. will win if we don't do something. We need to get his recruiter now.

I never realized how difficult it was to be scum and be kept alive.

QFT Read me in Greek Mythology and see how hard it was trying to survive for 3 days, when the whole town is hunting you down.

His team WILL be outed after tonight. So will yours, to a lesser extent, but we'll get his recruiter if nothing else!

If I die as town here and we still lose, I'd be content with knowing I organized the lynch of BOTH recruiters.

[Andrius]

Oh whoops. I guess I haven't called you out yet, since I haven't posted the big post.

WELL. That's a preview of what's to come! I'll post it eventually if the people I want to vote don't. Can't spend too long waiting for them.

[Andrius]

Don't get too far ahead of yourself; I'm still waiting on people.
And if I don't hear back before I slssp then I'll post it and be on my way to dreamland.

[Andrius]

What do you mean, Yos? His cult is at 4-5 people, and we still need to hit you guys' recruiter.
So we're also forcing you to shoot him tonight, see?
And that's what I'm doing.
We're lynching your recruiter today, so that you are forced to kill tonight.

Nope. If you guys manage to lynch our recruiter today, then removing one member of the opposite cult is no longer a priority for us. At that point, the biggest threat to us would be the cops and roleblockers, and we would start to shoot those. If they happen to be a member of the enemy cult, hey, bonus, but the biggest factor is that a standard mafia group can't win against 2 roleblockers and 2 cops, so you would have to die.

And I'm sure they've done the same calculations; his claim that he would have killed me was most likely just an attempt to get on the town's good side. He probably tried to kill a power role, and he'll probably do the same again tonight if not roleblocked.

Don't think I don't know it. Trust me.

As town, I see little chance of us winning, to be honest. This is alot like Comedy of Whims; but different at the same time.

I know, trust me, that if we whack your recruiter, whoever he is, that you guys will be shooting at the town- or whatever is left of it right now besides me.
And I fully expect to die before the end of this game. (I'd actually prefer dying as town to being recruited and winning with one of you guys' factions.)
BUT surely you must realize that, while we are a threat, the other cult is much larger, much more co-ordinated, and therein more lethal.

Imagine, with me, that the last three townies are me, Gurgi, and Darox. We don't get along. Gurgi is pretty much calling me useless at every turn and Darox isn't helping much either. So, as a faction, we're doing pretty badly. lol

But if you DO start shoot Cops and RBs you're going to be hitting cultists; RC is Purple; Chrono and Poro are colored. I'm still town, but I'll probably be dead soon anyway.

I do realize that I have little- or no- control over xvart and his team or you and yours. This isn't Comedy of Whims where I'm an vig and can hold people accountable through my Death Note. I do know, however, that I can still pull people together for a lynch while I'm still here.

And with that, I'm posting my wall.

[Andrius]

Notes:

Day One

NOTE: THERE ARE TWO RECRUITER/RECRUIT PAIRINGS:

ORANGE_RECRUITER/SERAPHIM(M=W)

AND

ERG0/RECRUIT

.

Also: ReaperCharlie and Lord Gurgi are town.

And here is vezok being an asshat. Pretty much claiming role-related info on page one.

Zwet claims he can vig dramonic here.

And I can totally see vezok trying to be town by offering vital insight into the setup and shit. This is what I mean. “Look guys, see what I can do!” Sadly, it’s just a dumbass tell.

Here is where Seraphim first goes out against vezok. Something to note, for sure.

As Friend said in #35, Seraphim’s vote is definitely opportunistic. Though I wonder what Sera would have done as the only recruit in a one-man mafia team.

This, by TheLonging (SS) rubs me the wrong way. But even if he were cult, there’s no way:
1) He would actually know, unless he were the other cult recruiter and attempted to recruit vezok N0
2) He would have been recruited on N0 and NOT shot someone before D3 when SS double-voted

A series of events that I found interesting. Erg0 is voted, Poro defends. But wait, is inHim’s vote actually good, or no? HRM

This is interesting, mainly because he called the only two scumflips we’ve had so far. Though knowing Ani, I doubt he’d make a statement condemning his recruiter on D1, especially like that. Tough call though.

Zwet: Please tell me that I'm not the only one on this forum getting really pissed off at furcolow's playstyle.

OH WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK SOMETIME. <3

This, while being town/town, definitely makes RC look like shit. Good thing I investgated him…

Soft defense of me from Ani, but I can see him doing this as either alignment. Leaning town though…

Oh, I was wondering if I caught M=W scum on D1 or not. Glad I called it.

Again, wondering why TheLonging keeps calling for M=W’s lynch. Especially since he can’t KNOW that he’s scum. (proven above)

SOMEONE should have caught Furcolow’s false VT claim here. Naturally, I didn’t because I didn’t know that VTs were “Goons”. /Enforcer

I really love zwet this game. 280; 284. <3 /*ahem*

inHim shines like a star on page 13 (top of the page). Ruling him out as Recruiter. Not Recruit, but still.

Xvart’s play D1 is confusing me. No wonder I saw him as scum (and was right). Calling out Ani for a few scummy things, but says the best thing we need is Gandalf/Friend competing wagons. Odd.

This by Ani just rubs me the wrong way. Look at the wording when he goes to wagon-hop to follow me. And he had called me town earlier, so it was a tad confusing. At first I remember thinking “oh, he’s buddying me” but now… not so sure he’s town.
I magically get TheLonging to wagon-hop too; odd since he sees M=W as SOOOOO CULT.

More badness from Ani.

Calling Erg0 as potential scum-buddy #1 if you (xvart) flip scum, BTW.

Lookie here. lol

Then I get to the part where RC made his shitty as fuck case on me, and see how easily inHim bought it, and I just want to stop reading. GAH. RC, YOU RUINED D1 FOR ME. SO FUCKING BAD. WE WILL TALK AFTER WE ARE DEAD HERE.

Day One is over. I kinda’ slacked off commenting in here and just mentally took notes.

Day Two

NOTE: THERE ARE TWO RECRUITER/RECRUIT PAIRINGS:

ORANGE_RECRUITER/SERAPHIM(M=W)/N1:???

AND

ERG0/RECRUIT/REAPERCHARLIE

.

Also: Lord Gurgi is town.

Ok look at how RC is playing D2. He isn’t useless anymore.
Come to think of it: ooba investigated “neutral” as he shot zwet.

Day Three

NOTE: THERE ARE TWO RECRUITER/RECRUIT PAIRINGS:

ORANGE_RECRUITER/N1:???/N2: ???

AND

ERG0/RECRUIT/REAPERCHARLIE/N2: No Recruit

.

Also: Lord Gurgi is town.

Erg0’s defense of Robo’s claim furthers my tinfoil… but also disproves it… UGH

Gurgi makes a good seup-related comment here, though since the mafia DOES have a kill it isn’t as valid.

I feel better in my read knowing ooba agreed with me on D3.

MASSIVE SLIP FROM XVART. Look closer:

The point is, her shooting herself is irrelevant if she gets recruited tonight (unless she submits her NK immediately and recruiting has no effect on actions already submitted).

“Unless she submits her NK immediately and recruiting has no effect on actions already submitted”. This implies knowledge that xvart revealed later on: that recruiting in instantaneous. Xvart is confirmed scum on D3. (Not like I did’nt know/suspect that yet, but yeah.)

Chrono’s top 3 suspects plus some make me think he’s not yet recruited.

Day Four

NOTE: THERE ARE TWO RECRUITER/RECRUIT PAIRINGS:

ORANGE_RECRUITER/N1:???/N2: ???/N3: ???

AND

ERG0/RECRUIT/REAPERCHARLIE/N2: Kill M=W/N3: ???

.

Erg0 immediately voting Yos after my claim confirms that they aren’t scum together.

---

We know this:

Start of Game: Purple Recruiter (Erg0/Quag), Orange Recruiter
During N0: Recruiters gained their people. Namely, Seraphim for Orange.
D1: I get my read of RC as Town. Therefore, he isn't N0 Cultist. And not recruiter, I guess.
4 scum on D1. Pairs of two. Watch Erg0 and Seraphim.

N1: +2 Recruits
So D2: 2 3-man teams

Tinfoil

Tinfoil #1: Seraphim replaced out due to being recruited by vezokpiraka

Self-explanatory. And he hates cults, due to AGM and me in Comedy of Whims.

Tinfoil #3: ReaperCharlie is Purple Scum.

Most likely recruited N1 by Erg0.
a) It is also interesting that Me=Weird is killed N2, the night after RC could have been recruited. And RC just copies my investigation results twice. No big.
b) RC and xvart lead multiple wagons on D4, all as a distraction away from Erg0: ooba, gandalf.
c) I publically announced a N0 Investigation of him D1. Who better to recruit than someone who was just declared town?
d) Pushed for a Yosarian2 lynch all of D2

Tinfoil #4: Orange Cult had 3 members on D2, including Yosarian2.

a) Confirmed by Yos here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2596448

Inference #1: zwetschenwasser killed dramonic N1

a) ISO zwet. 'Nuff said.
b) Gaining another recruit is much more important to the cult than killong one lowly bodyguard.

Tinfoil Theory #7: Seraphim was Orange's N0 recruit. xvart was Purple's N0 recruit.

xvart confirmed he was scum by D3. And Purple did not recruit N2, as they killed Me=Weird. So that leaves N0 and N1. And N1 is for RC, so it HAD TO BE N0.

Tinfoil #8: ReaperCharlie was Purple's N1 recruit. Yosarian2 was Orange's N1 recruit.

a) http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2530862 shows xvart with RC and a vote on M=W
b) http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2595873 Yos confirms he and M=W were together on D2.

Tinfoil Theory #9: Purple killed Me=Weird N2. Orange recruited someone.

D'oh. No Loose Cannon, if town, would shoot M=W and NOT claim it.
Orange wouldn't kill its own member.
Purple did it.

Oh, I remember now!

Tinfoil #6: You cannot use a personal PR and the nightly kill if you are cult.

Which would have explained RC's copy-result on N2, since he killed M=W and xvart bodyguarded Erg0.
But it isn't the case, so. Meh.

So we know that at DayBreak of D3:
Gurgi is town.
xvart, RC, Yosarian2 are all scum.
Both scumgroups have 3 members in them, since Purple shot N2 and Orange lost and gained a member.

If singersigner is recruited, she was recruited N2 into Orange, when she still had her shot left, AFTER she claimed.
Chronopie and Poro are not both in Purple. One can.

If you forced me to dump all living players into alignments:

TOWN:
Andy
Gurgi
Darox

ORANGE:
Yosarian2
singersigner
Porochaz

PURPLE:
xvart
ReaperCharlie
Chronopie

Which leaves, of course, Robo and Flameaxe.
Let's just say that Chrono and Poro were recruited N3, to make things easy.

xvart claimed Purple kill on Yosarian N5. -1
Let's say they cross-recruited once. -1
That ALONE sets them back one whole night, giving the town the two extra slots, pushing us from
WORST CASE 5:5:1 to Meh 4:4:3

Things that don't matter:
-RC claiming Enforcer.

I also looked into Erg0's reaction to Robo's claim, to see if they were given the same fakeclaim. But if they were, purple would have shot Robo before then.


You know, maybe Poro is town. But it doesn't matter. We have a head start:
-Two candidates for Recruiter
-enough scum from both sides to have some wiggle-room

SO.
What do we need to do now?

Heh.

Decide whether Flameaxe's brain or Robo's brain is going to get splattered on the wall.

And I'll get around to making another massive comparison case on them, so don't go spraying their brains on the wall quite yet.

[Andrius]

If you couldn't tell my note-taking kinda' fell away on the side as time went on.

[Andrius]

They'll happen at the same time.

[Andrius]

Just a question, if you knew you weren't going to win would you rather my team win or the town?

Valid question, and I'm curious. I've played as scum in 2-scum groups, and prefered the town to win after my team got the axe. Namely because I had the other scum pegged.

I'll think over xvart and Yos. Because Yos has a good point if we're not onto the recruiter at all, but if we are then xvart totally called it.
But town is pretty much in a rut anyway...

[Andrius]

RC, do you think Andrius is town?

I think it depends heavily on your flip. I don't think he's purple scum though.

Hi my name is ReaperCharlie and I am purple scum.

Not savvy.

You fail to recognize the meaning of a yes or no question. You answer "Yes" or "No".

Yes or no?

Translated: I am trying to figure out if we need to kill you tonight and how big of a problem you are going to be tomorrow. So answer the damn question.

xvart.

Hi my name is xvart and ReaperCharlie is my scumbuddy.
Seriously, that was pretty much a chainsaw defense.

If anyone has doubts as to ReaperCharlie's alignment then you need to start reading the game.

Anyone else want to claim scum and make our lives easier?