Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Ythan]

SV was months dead at the time or I would have said the same of him. CSL is not at that level in my opinion. And Charlie is completely ignoring requests from multiple players to shore up his terrible "let's lynch a town read" push. If he mentions it again without explaining himself he can have four votes.

[Ythan]

However, Plum's defense did, not mentioning that obvious flaw, is still just as suspect, and that casts suspicion on him as well as her defendee.

Is it suspect for the same reason Chrono thinks it is?

Yes. There was a perfectly good response but hers was not. She called it not a tell, but without the context that she didn't notice either it would be.

[Ythan]

Anyone know how to make a useful post? Oh yeah, everyone but Charlie.

[Ythan]

On a somewhat relevant subject, I've been reading things online about manners, decency and unwarranted self importance. I find myself to be quite amused by some of the things written there.

Oh god no, if you supplement your natural talent with book learning you'll be an unstoppable force of pointless ramblebitching.

[Ythan]

You can't play the game like that. Horrible horrible players will from time to time get town, and if you use them as the standard for your reading then you will never have a scum read. Except I think you're lying so it's moot.

[Ythan]

Sorry to hear that, Ed.

[Ythan]

Kunk, you've maintained my Amished town read so far.

[Ythan]

Kunkstar

Amished

DocPotter

rhinox

CryMeARiver

x2 votes

Ythan

danakillsu

x4 votes

Plum

raider8169

chronopie

x2 votes

Jahudo

Chevre

easjo682

x4 votes

Battousai

Pitbunny

esuriospiritus

Magua

The King of Eggs

Locke Lamora

Reverse Simplicity

kmd4390

x2 votes

fishythefish

animorpherv1

carneybaby88

Charlie
holycon

So much easier.

[Ythan]

Could you say in each of these posts who you're talking about? Somewhere more obvious so I don't have to read through to figure out who and again to get it.

[Ythan]

It just seems like you're talking to yourself here with no concern for who can make sense of it.

[Ythan]

Point, then?

[Ythan]

In posting it, I mean, if it's not for anyone else.

[Ythan]

Hi, Charlie WHY should fish be lynched? All I've seen from you in Day 5 is "lynch fish kthx."

That's the only thing? I've seen him do it directed at other people, at least.

[Ythan]

One shot Colombian? Two things. What does that mean, and by Columbian (and not Colombian) do you mean that he is from my birthday of Columbia, South Carolina and not the country of Colombia?

[Ythan]

Holy is is not fun to read your posts.

[Ythan]

I like your post for once but what is the point of your two fun facts?

[Ythan]

You feel strongly about what roles they had in the last game?

[Ythan]

..I floundered briefly..

lol! Aw Charlie beat me to it.

Seems obvious, but I'd very much guess that the "Colombian" thing doesn't signify two mafiates here.

Doesn't?

Anyways, anyone have any thoughts on the significance of chrono's vote going to ythan? My first instinct in this game was to policy lynch whoever the scum send their vote to to ensure scum never send their vote to other scum, but after thinking about it some more I'm not sure its the best strategy.

Not only have we been over this but "Hey scum send your votes to town so Rhinox will PL them" is stupid. Plus make a commitment, don't just field the idea because nobody else has mentioned it today and wait for someone else to take a stand.

[Ythan]

A city name, actually. But yeah. If there is another mafia then can one of its members confirm?

[Ythan]

If there is another mafia then can one of its members confirm?

Very busy at the moment.

HM.

[Ythan]

vote Plum x1

So you can keep track of me. And I really doubt scum would no-kill with this many players left.

[Ythan]

Then

FoS Plum x6

.

[Ythan]

Chuck you really are not in the position to call

tomorrow's

lynch.

[Ythan]

And I don't like how the person holding the most votes is trying to dictate this sort of things, you know.

By dictate do you mean recognize that you're trying to dictate, and are terrible? Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either.

[Ythan]

And I say that you are in no position, of all people in this game. And you try to twist that into me dictating the course of the game, suggesting that it's dangerous to allow this to happen (because I have six votes?). This is what I meant when I said terrible.

[Ythan]

Charlie has a point.

Unless this is all you have to say about it then no, he doesn't.

Esurio, two things. One, explain how I'm lurking. Two, explain how you're not full of IoA. If you're trying to make a point then make it instead of waiting for someone else to based on your post so you don't stand out.

[Ythan]

active

lurking galore and a relative lack of scumhunting

Oh I see. You're just lying/dumb. We'll see later on.

The fact that I have lots of posts doesn't change the fact that I have at least as much content as any other player, even if it's spread out due to my posting style. Reading is tech.

[Ythan]

You would finally have a post that wasn't just wasted space if you actually made an effort to explain. But you didn't and so you haven't. Honestly is it really wise for you to take part in a conversation about active lurking?

[Ythan]

You are wrong and he is right.

Yeah okay thanks for your contribution go back to actual lurking now.

[Ythan]

Put your votes on somebody.

I know reading is not your strong suit (do you have a strong suit?) but notice that I have placed an FoS and am refraining from voting so soon because I have six and can't place them independently. Which I tried doing. Dumbass.

[Ythan]

Except I'm obvvvtown.

[Ythan]

Here (the rest of your time in the game) is where you don't actually dispute it but keep making meaningless fluff posts.

[Ythan]

Oops prodded. Reading.

[Ythan]

This game is tedious and frustrating.

I can understand frustrating but how is it tedious when you don't even contribute?

mass claim won't change my mind...

[Ythan]

@Ythan: Has the past few days been normal play for you? Like when you kept your Chrono and Plum reads held to your chest for the most part. Or is this normal play given certain circumstances like your multiple votes or lack of pressure?

Not the votes, maybe the pressure. Also my lack of access and the fact that I was asked to replace into this game rather than being interested enough to join from the start.

[Ythan]

Batt has not been the focus of my attention but has consistently caught my attention over the course of the game. He is on my list of rereads when I get more time.

[Ythan]

Anything happen since my last post other than Charlie is still useless/a whiner? No? He's got plenty to bitch about as far as me not doing much when there isn't shit going on, doesn't he.

[Ythan]

I'll go ahead and preempt any more of Charlie's pointless whining by reminding folks what time of year it is. He can check in daily to make some useless comment to look like he's doing something but it isn't going to be the same shit over and over about how I haven't gotten around to this yet.

[Ythan]

I think he's a terrible player which obscures the accuracy of my read. I'd like to think he's scum but maybe he's just really this bad? It's not the best point in the game to rely on that.

[Ythan]

reminding folks what time of year it is

Yeah, still gonna get to it when I'm gonna get to it.

[Ythan]

reminding folks what time of year it is

Yeah, still gonna get to it when I'm gonna get to it.

I'd settle for names now and reasons later.

You'll settle for less than that. When I have names they'll come with reasons. Think in a way that makes sense plz.

[Ythan]

Honestly I don't get why Charlie is bitching about playing with me when he hasn't done shit to support, well, anything he's posted. You have to post more than fluff before you can whine about other people. :B

[Ythan]

Don't have time to read right now, but if everyone finds Jahudo obvtown or confirmed town or most likely town, then why don't we lynch people with a lot of votes (ythan has the most) and if they are town, they will pass them on to Jahudo. When Jahudo dies (I don't see him living to tomorrow), a townie would choose who gets a lot of the votes?


I'm kind of thinking this is a good idea due to the fact that scum's wincon is based on most votes, not most players and giving them to jahudo will keep them out of going to scum as easily. However, I'm not sure a lynch based on a mechanic is the best way to go on D7 when scum can have a free pass to lynch someone without getting flak for it. It's a tough call, but I would be against it since we don't know if Jahudo is on a different scum team than the one that targetted him 2 nights ago and his scum team targetted fishy (jahudo not exactly confirmed), nor do I feel that Jahudo's reads (though I can't find a recent list) would be as a good at passing on the votes as him (the more important reason not to).

Why did I bring this up if I'm against it? First, I wasn't against it until I wrote it down and I don't want to waste what I wrote. Second, this is a "democratic" game and others may find it to be a reasonable idea. Third, I'm nearer the fence on it, and more opinions may sway my decision.

LOL

[Ythan]

Charlie, can you explain how your read on the amished/kunkstar7 slot has changed over the course of the game?

[Ythan]

Kmd, I never really got your case on the that slot either but you've seemed gung ho about it for a long time.

[Ythan]

Rhinox, would it be fair to assume that your turnaround on that aforementioned slot is based entirely on kunkstar's inactivity?

Also if it seems like I'm talking about amished/kunkstar a lot it will make more sense as time goes by.

[Ythan]

I didn't ask about a past game I asked about this game. Give me an example of the word salad explanation for why you stopped finding him town, then a link to the newbie game with kunk. The one you 'think you played'.

[Ythan]

Why? Why were you ever up for a amished/kunk lynch? I know you saw my post because you were clearly responding to me. So explain your read.

[Ythan]

Amished's vote record made him obvscum in my eyes. I don't remember more specifically than that and I am currently posting from my phone so I can't throw fancy quotes and colors at you.

I would like for you and anyone else who ever says "scum because of their something" to explain what about the something makes them scum.

[Ythan]

Oh look there is a loldog in the last page there! I'd make a reference to it in some cryptic way; but I'm too tired to do so.

You're even worse. Your post doesn't explain why you find the slot scummy now.

[Ythan]

Right now I think that I don't know who you think is scum. I think you spend a lot of time bickering with charlie but I don't think you are trying to convince anyone to lynch him. That concerns me because it makes me think you are trying to appear to scum hunt, but I don't think you are actually scum hunting. Also, he is acting the same way towards you.

My criticizing of Charlie for being a huge VI and my hunting are entirely distinct. Keep up.

I take it you think kunk is scum?

I do not.

[Ythan]

So... I still don't know who you think is scum. You were all for accountability when you tried to place that 1 vote on plum. Why the change?

Honestly I don't care. You can wait until I finish.

[Ythan]

Amished's vote record made him obvscum in my eyes. I don't remember more specifically than that and I am currently posting from my phone so I can't throw fancy quotes and colors at you.

After reading this again I see that you said you don't remember. If you could review and give me something that would be really cool.

[Ythan]

Rhino: I'm clarifying my reads on living players right now. Thus far these have more often than not been town reads. But when I exhaust those I'll give you what you want.

[Ythan]

Do I even need to state the obvious here; Charlie. Not just vi but also scum.

[Ythan]

TBH I wasn't defending anyone I was defending the rights of all players who get quoated from past games I don't think its right just because a player says somthing similier in a pervious game and they were scum in that game dosn't mean that they are scum in this one and using that as a scum tell is dumb

Chuckled. Really is too bad the raider/plumscum thing didn't pan out.

[Ythan]

Rhinox's assumption seems like an unrealistic jump to me.

I don't believe my original theory is correct though.

Expected Town reaction: "Oh, he was a ninja. Wonder what that is" or "Oh, he was a ninja. I saw that role before."
Expected Scum reaction: "Oh, my scumbuddy died and hasn't used his extra kill yet." <Insert post that knows that a ninja is a role who has an extra kill>
Rhinox's reaction: "Oh, looks like Chro was 'one-shot'. Must have had an extra kill"

Looks to me like Rhinox wasn't focusing on the ninja part. I actually see Rhinox as either town or non-Columbian non-town because of this. Looks like he honestly overlooked "ninja" being part of the role and jumped to a conclusion on "one-shot".

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I see people talking about a Holy lynch, but not many votes. I'd obviously prefer Batt, but a Holy lynch is better than a Plum lynch.

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Plum is at L-6. If Ythan plans to vote Plum, she should probably claim. Ythan should confirm/deny first though.

Why can I not find any responses to this. This is the only interesting thing I've seen against Rhino so far.

[Ythan]

Batt/Locke/Charlie/Holy?

[Ythan]

You not knowing what vi means is not a contradiction on my part. And way to back out of pretty much everything you could instead of answering a question clearly.

[Ythan]

Locke makes a WIFOM vote on me after I declare him to be part of the scum team. K.

[Ythan]

Unvote, Vote: Ythan

Actively not scumhunting and relying on the fact that he killed millar so he can coast by and not play. My vote is not moving from Ythan today.

I agree with Battousai on this one. Although I have a good town read on Ythan, I'm really hoping that I'm wrong about this.

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Ythan

Oh, this does not change the fact that I firmly believe that Plum and Nachomamma8 are mafia. Moar votes on these two jokers please!

Someone with 4 votes refusing to contribute any more than what's required to not get replaced makes my head hurt.

I'm going to go back to:

Vote: Charlie

I still really don't see the pro-town motivation for shouting 'hi scum, kill Michel, he's really pro-town!' Any analysis he appears to have done recently seems to be almost entirely based on Michel's viewpoints, not his own.

This is nonsense. So much so that it is somewhat (mildly) sickening.

I love rediscovering gems like this in rereads. "I want to lynch this town read but everyone else keep voting my scum reads." Moron.

[Ythan]

Charlie, what is your actual case on Nacho?

[Ythan]

Nacho, top three suspects with a quick blurb for each? I want more from you.

[Ythan]

You listed 3 as not voting which does not take into account multiple votes. If that's important.

~fixed

[Ythan]

Alright, something for those four to respond to.

[Ythan]

Nutshell, Batt didn't address a case on him because it wouldn't do any good.

[Ythan]

Nice to see Locke ignoring his votee to continue to focus on the probably lynch for the day.

[Ythan]

Within range to hammer Charlie and I'm announcing that I have every intention to do so at some point.

[Ythan]

Charlie, what is your actual case on Nacho?

Hey Charlie instead of vaguely whining about nothing as per usual and being generally useless as a player why don't you do something worthwhile and answer this post directed at you.

[Ythan]

So he's scum for no reason and you're terrible at mafia, you're pissed because you're going to get hammered for being terrible

as

mafia, and you're providing wifom self meta to try to clear yourself.

lol

[Ythan]

This.

vote Charlie x6

[Ythan]

You're welcome

everyone

.

[Ythan]

Typically we vote for the first claimer. You want scum to go early.

[Ythan]

Instead of disputing the Richard case you attacked me instead to slow it down? Isn't that exactly what a chainsaw defense is?

[Ythan]

A chainsaw defense is defending a player by attacking and diverting attention to the attacker.

[Ythan]

It's been 21 hours.

[Ythan]

Is anyone NOT up for a massclaim?

[Ythan]

I guess I vote for Batt starting.

[Ythan]

I was hoping you might tell the truth today.

[Ythan]

No, his claim was not part of popcorn. You know that.

[Ythan]

This was on the

third page

of my inbox. I'm a two-shot lightning rod. Holy go go go.

[Ythan]

Lightning rod is not an uncommon role. How about we finish up with our actual mc before you ask for more detail.

[Ythan]

How disappointed do you want to be? When you've decided, repeat yourself an appropriate number of times.

[Ythan]

Suck it up. There's a wiki you know.

[Ythan]

Checked the wiki just to be sure you're being dense. The wiki (which is pretty easy to find; it's linked on this page, just fyi) says it redirects all actions to oneself but I read it as saying all actions targeting a single player. I hadn't considered it might be ALL actions but the language could MAYBE indicate that. I don't think so though. I'm PMing the mod.

[Ythan]

Be less blatant with your full-of-shit. I went to the wiki to ensure that telling you to do the same would be sufficient to cure your ignorance. I am PMing him now because after reading the article, which defines the role's ability differently than the obvious reading of my PM, to ensure that I had read it correctly.

[Ythan]

To clarify without really quoting, it refers to 'another player' in a way that I have assumed means a target, but could possibly mean any player which would be more in line with the wiki.

[Ythan]

Surprise surprise, looks like it does mean all actions. Lol language.

[Ythan]

sorry about that vanilla town Lock is who I vote is next to claim

I'm debating whether this is just your weird way of not posting sentences or if you don't want to dwell on the claim.

[Ythan]

Is that everyone then?

[Ythan]

anyone against the last 4 claiming ASAP and forgetting about the popcorning? I don't really have a preference between the last 4 anyways. By the time we finish claiming, we'll be hitting deadline. Enough stalling.

Deadline is in TEN DAYS. There's a reason for popcorn. Did you not realize we have a week and a half or did you just intentionally lie?

[Ythan]

anyone against the last 4 claiming ASAP and forgetting about the popcorning? I don't really have a preference between the last 4 anyways. By the time we finish claiming, we'll be hitting deadline. Enough stalling.

Deadline is in TEN DAYS. There's a reason for popcorn. Did you not realize we have a week and a half or did you just intentionally lie?

It was hyperbole.

That said, claiming should be a 1 or 2 day thing, and the majority of the day should still be available for discussion. We've been mass claiming or talking about massclaiming without talking about who is scum or who we want to lynch for nearly 6 days now.

It was hyperbole that you used to support your idea that we should stop popcorning for no reason.

Nacho- see 2098 (pg 108).

So, everyone claimed VT except Ythan who claimed 2-shot lightning rod. So, if you are really a lightning rod, how come ani got a role from twomz on N2 (when your ability was still active), over you?

Vote: Ythan

Because you can't read how a simply defined role works.

[Ythan]

Batt put a vote on me based on the fact that I didn't get an ability from the inventor one night. Does everyone know why this is stupid/a weak attempt to vote me?

[Ythan]

I want to hear an explanation from Batt before I say how many shots I have used/what nights I used them. If anyone has any questions about how the ability works then go. In the mean time, Batt or Holy today?

[Ythan]

lightning rod is like bulletproof... you don't choose to use it, it's an automatic ability.

Except it isn't. And not only is it not, but the fact that it's two shot should make it even more obvious to you if you were even trying to think about it and not just get me lynched.

[Ythan]

Based on the assumption that it attracted a single player's action (which in turn was based on the mod's use of the phrase "another player" to refer to

all players

) I have not used either of my shots. By the way we're not lynching me while I still have ammo for an ability that attracts scum kills.

[Ythan]

I have fullclaimed, Kmd. I'm a two-shot lightning rod and I haven't used either shot. The fact that holy is dense is not my fault not explaining what obvious common terms mean.

Since there's nothing left to cover let's at least get to declaring who we intend to vote. For me that is Batt or Holy. Later on in the day before the lynch is finalized we can discuss whether or not I need to rod tonight.

[Ythan]

Tell me how you would have used it, based on the interpretation that it draws a single target's actions to yourself.

[Ythan]

Target scum, something bad happens to you, or, target town, town-directed action is diverted. Couldn't think of a good way to use it. Plus only two shots, I was definitely saving it on the off chance a good use came up. No. We're done.

[Ythan]

What I don't understand is, why didn't you check the wiki to make sure you had your role correctly or at least PM'd the mod for a clarification (it's not all too common of a role, and if I had it, I would want to know if it a) was automatic, b) includes mafia night kill, c) invokes all night actions or just a player I select.

Because the mod's poor wording made it pretty clearly say what I thought it was.

On top of all of this, why didn't the two-shot claim give you pause at all? Two-shot abilities are rare, and they don't really add to the believability of a fake-claim at all. Didn't you think it was more than pure coincidence? Also, didn't it seem interesting to you that he had exactly two commutes to your two lightning rods, which meant two nights of NK immunity for you?

That has nothing to do with alignment.

What pisses me off is that WE'RE doing more research into Ythan's role than Ythan himself did. And if you got a role with an odd name you hadn't seen before, wouldn't you decide to do the research?

Role PMs are supposed to explain what a role does. This one did so poorly. And if you're pissed off I guess eat a dick/get over it.

Anyone who intends to vote for me today needs to explain how this incident makes me a better lynch than other players who have been on the verge of a lynch since god knows when. Players like Batt. Someone, at least one someone, is hopping on an easy wagon here and disregarding the rest of the game before the MC.

[Ythan]

You're using "not obv-town" to justify suddenly disregarding very recent obvious lynch candidates. That's townplausible.

[Ythan]

No I have not ignored them actually. Don't worry, everyone has trouble with reading comp in large games sometimes.

[Ythan]

Then you're probably going to win anyway and should let us townies do our thing for now.

[Ythan]

Batt you're either a fool in which case I'm not going to repeat myself or, more likely, you're just being intentionally dense so you don't have to accept that your position is moronic. My PM said one thing, I didn't take it upon myself to research the role beyond what the PM said. If that doesn't make sense to you then I guess you're lucky you got something simple like goon.

Kmd, you were right to vote Batt. He is just as blatant obvscum today as he was yesterday. Or worse. Cartoonishly obvious at this point.

[Ythan]

Batt I'm talking about players disregarding you suddenly for no good reason. If you're not going to participate in that conversation then I'm not going to spend the two seconds it would take to dig up a case on you from any number of players.

[Ythan]

Sorry about that, Thanksgiving. Catching up.

[Ythan]

I had hoped that Thanksgiving would help with the stupid. Lynch obvscum today and I will use my action tonight. Then scum is fucked because they'll have to scrounge up yet another sudden wagon out of the blue.

[Ythan]

It looks like a deadline and night passed before I was able to post. I'm going to be lynched. Just let me address some things first.

HOLY SHIT YES it's still the same day

well back what i want to know yathan why you are so hostile to everyone

Because that's how I want to post. Your questioning is irrelevant fluff. Me being mean has zero relation to my role.

[Ythan]

Okay so Kunk is almostdef-scum and we can lynch him now and I can do my thing tonight.

[Ythan]

I do not! Go town!

[Ythan]

How on Earth did Rhinox get lynched.

[Ythan]

Game ended in mid-December. Avatar updates should probably go somewhere else.