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Arrite kids, here's the deal. The chesskid wagon is crap and being driven just cuz he has a post restriction. There are scums all over that.
Espeonage - holding an RVS vote
Antihero - okay
Baby Spice - one of the worst votes I've seen on MS
Nero Cain - hypocrisy, thy name is Nero Cain
sakshijain - ahahahah
sakshijain needs to eat a bullet, any vigs in attendence plz fix this problem TIA.
VOTE: Baby Spice
A Nero Cain is ok too.
@Chess: Trying writing in really short sentences to make yourself more clear.
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Dear vigs,Nobody Special wrote:This is why good players preview our posts prior to hitting Submit.
This one can go too.
Love,
PZ
Orly.Baby Spice wrote:I don't know about that since it got a reaction.
And what have you learned from the "reaction"?
I'm not down on aiding and abetting the enemy.Baby Spice wrote:Want to try and explain why, or are you just tossing stuff out there?
P.S.
Don't think I missed your little stunt.Espeonage wrote:Maybe someone can stick some more votes on LL.
P.P.S. Mod is complaining about activity? lol?Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Sup. XDAntihero wrote:Preview edit: damn you, stove!
So. Much. Lulz.Baby Spice wrote:That you and Parama are both scum.
unvote
Okay. How exactly did you determine this then?
Super Bonus Round Question: If we're both scum, why aren't you voting one of us?
FTR I endorse the LLD wagon. I didn't realize how bad she was until I read her in iso. I prefer a dead spice girl tho (and who wouldn't, really?)Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Tasky and Baby Spice are scummy. So is Sakshijain. And NS. But other head already called some of those peeps out.
Lulomgus.Baby Spice wrote:The Stove wrote:
Orly.Baby Spice wrote:I don't know about that since it got a reaction.
And what have you learned from the "reaction"?
That you and Parama are both scum.
unvote
AGar concurs and endorses the thoughts of Papa Zito.
OMG BLOODERECTION NEEDS TO DIE NAO.
Reckamonic gets minor not-town points for the whole "ignoring the PR," although I've seen this as typical behavior. Hm.
NS, BE, Baby Spice, LLD are almost-100%-def-scum.
NC is null leaning scum.
Tasky and Sashkijain are tbdscum.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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HOLY CRAP. It's the ultimate scumtell! TO THE WIKI GOGOGOBlooderection wrote:parama is scum for too many lists.
I like the part where Parama posts another list right afterwards. Well played. Also Parama's a dude.
It's a nulltell for him.The Stovegar wrote:Reckamonic gets minor not-town points for the whole "ignoring the PR," although I've seen this as typical behavior. Hm
Really?Blooderection wrote:Sorry that i'm voting for your scumbuddy.Really?
Okay, I'll play. I'll take "The Stove / Greek Chick Links" for $200, Alex.
BTW, why are you aping Ellibereth? Especially Ellibereth?Parama wrote:Absolutely. Mafuyu, have you ever played with Ellibereth before?
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YESSSSSSSSSSSStrangerCoug wrote:Nero Cain, who was a Mafia goon, has been locked in a portable toilet that was then set on fire on Day 1Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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We do too.Reckamonic wrote:Who's the dayvig?
We wanna hug you.
Are you incapable of reading English, good sir? Because if I do recall, you are a scholar and a gentleman.Blooderection wrote:
So why exactly did you unvote then? because of people jumping on the wagon? Specifically me?Antihero wrote: I unvoted, and I don't think we should not lynch LLD because of the VT claim. I don't think we should lynch LLD because a few of her wagoners are really scummy, including you.
There's no one who doesn't want to lynch LLD because of the VT claim. Now you're just pulling stuff out of thin air.
VOTE: Blooderection
Full quote:Baby Spice wrote:
Nice quote out of context there Parama. In your case though there's plenty to go on.Parama wrote:
>9 pagesBaby Spice wrote:Don't think there's enough to go on yet.
>Not enough to go on
VOTE: Parama
Not much different from what Parama pointed out. Not at all.Baby Spice wrote:Don't know what to think about LLD, but I really don't like the wagon. Don't think there's enough to go on yet.
Mindmeld: Antihero
@Baby Spice:Succintness. Directness. Conciseness. All of these are pro-town characteristics. None of these are characteristics of your posts. Thus, your point is not clear, and you are backtracking scum. Clever though, leaving yourself a cop-out on a cop-out.
@Esep, Framm:BE can wait. We'll lynch BS today. We'll get rid of scum AND an annoying PR. It's like a twofer.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Hammering claimed VTs is good strategy. Mafia 101 can wait for later tho.Antihero wrote:Seriously?
Who here thinks it's OK to vote someone just because of a VT claim?
You maaaaaaaaaay be the most obvscum player I've seen, as Parama and Antihero are town town townies and you're doing everything you can to smear them while dodging everything else and also oh yeah not scumhunting.Baby Spice wrote:So funny. My #1 scumspect calling on the town to joijn #2 and #3 scumspect on voting for best town read I got.
Speaking of which, lemme ask you these again:
BTW, anyone wanna guess why the Baby Spice wagon is so hard to build right now?The Stove wrote:Okay. How exactly did you determine this then?
Super Bonus Round Question: If we're both scum, why aren't you voting one of us?
Not yet baby.Espeonage wrote:Willing to come yet Stove?Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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So many targets, so few bullets.Tasky wrote:this game is going way to fast for me. don't have enough time.
so expect me to lurk a little.
don't let that distract you.
If you find scum, tell me.
Papa Zito sees Mafuyu playing the mechanics game. This makes Papa Zito sad.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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So. Many. Scum. Not. Enough. Rope.Tasky wrote:this game is going way to fast for me. don't have enough time.
so expect me to lurk a little.
don't let that distract you.
If you find scum, tell me.
Hey look, BE filled up the diesel tank and he's roaring in that big ol' yellow bus.
I lol'd. But what was the point of that post?chesskid3 post Google Translate wrote: And I yelled to the cabbie "Yo, man you smell afterward"
@MafuyuWhy Unvote and then FOS?Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Mafuyu should refer to 260, in which Mafuyu chooses to do a vote experiment (aka mechanics), on a prime suspect no less, when there are far more important things going on. Papa Zito makes such statements to draw the town's attention to things that Papa Zito particularly objects to and wishes to imprint on the town's subconscious, should Papa Zito die later and not be around to reiterate them.Mafuyu wrote:Also not sure of the reason for the statement, especially since Mafuyu doesn't recognize the source.
If you want to pretend to be Ellibereth that's fine I guess, but even Ellibereth scumhunts now and then. Try it.Parama wrote:Anyways I'm kinda stealing from Elli's meta this game with all the lists so yeah
It's called lulz. There's always room for a little lulz. Provided you're doing something else, of course.Mafuyu wrote:Siete freaking serio?
ITT Mafuyu is being entirely reactionary. Why?
Also, with a new votecount, your curiousity should be satisfied yes?
No, competing bandwagons are tech.chesskid3 wrote:due carri bisogno di unire per fare un carro con abbastanza voti per un linciaggio
@Mod: Can we get a bhavitgoyal and manho prod? They've yet to post in the game.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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1. I said it because it's true. I've completed 30+ games and that was one of the worst I've seen (congrats). BTW, in case it (somehow) wasn't clear, it's one of the worst because it was just so blatantly, obviously scummy.Baby Spice wrote:The Stove. [1]"one of the worst votes I've seen on MS" The worst, and most scum, reason for voting someone. [2]That's the entire reason btw, no explanation or anything. [3]Nothing much after that for a while except some attempt to poo poo my responses. "Orly."
2. And yes, no explanation or anything. A. Because I want you to continue being blatantly scummy until the rest of the town clues in and B. Because explanations are not always required.
3. The fail is strong with this one. I'm afraid it's hard for me to "poo-poo" (lol) your responses when you aren't giving any.Let's, once again, list the questions you've refused to answer:
The Stove wrote:Okay. How exactly did you determine this then?
Super Bonus Round Question: If we're both scum, why aren't you voting one of us?
Erm. That wasn't a question. That was a statement of a read. You're claiming there's something scummy about giving reads?Baby Spice wrote:quote from The Stove. "Tasky and Baby Spice are scummy". (8 posts before N C was vigged you must note) Hmm, this is an echo of Antihero's question to NC, you know our only flipped scum. Why would we have two people actively suypporting/seeking the opinion of our only scum flip.
Gold. Re: Nero Cain, how does this quote fit into your weird little worldview?Baby Spice wrote:It's become quite clear to me that N C, Antihero, Parama, and The Stove are all working from the same plan, supporting each other, and that there can only be one reason for that.
Re: Parama, if I'm "supporting" him why am I on his ass, in public, about not scumhunting? i.e.The Stove wrote:Espeonage - holding an RVS vote
Antihero - okay
Baby Spice - one of the worst votes I've seen on MS
Nero Cain - hypocrisy, thy name is Nero Cain
sakshijain - ahahahah
sakshijain needs to eat a bullet, any vigs in attendence plz fix this problem TIA.
VOTE: Baby Spice
A Nero Cain is ok too.
Re: Antihero - Yes, I will fully admit here that I support Antihero's efforts to scumhunt and promote a town agenda. What now?The Stove wrote:If you want to pretend to be Ellibereth that's fine I guess, but even Ellibereth scumhunts now and then. Try it.
The Stove made mention of Espeonage here:Baby Spice wrote:Now I might just go so what normally, but these 14 or so posts are exactly what Parama, The Stove, and N C are accusing me of, so I have to wonder why target me and not Espeonage. Especially Parama and The Stove.
Beyond that we have no comment at this time.The Stove wrote:
Don't think I missed your little stunt.Espeonage wrote:Maybe someone can stick some more votes on LL.
Explain this: "Syntax curiosity."Mafuyu wrote:@Stove: The LLD wagon split, hence the unvote. The FoS was in response to 235's opener.
FWIW I'm reading your stuff (Chrome makes translating incredibly easy). Also I disagree that Parama's being helpful. Also also posting random crap in Italian is funny and I endorse.chesskid3 wrote:Ho regolarmente inviato i miei pensieri su tutto ciò, ma nessuno mi ascolta perché il mio PR è troppo gravoso per loro. Quindi questo è il mio modo di far sapere che esisto, e tentare di costringerli a leggere i miei post cazzoTremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Most mafiates are italian, no? SCUM!!!chesskid3 wrote:
Per ricordare a tutti che io sono ancora qui, un triste, solitario italianoThe Stove wrote:
I lol'd. But what was the point of that post?chesskid3 post Google Translate wrote: And I yelled to the cabbie "Yo, man you smell afterward"To remind everyone that I'm still here, a sad, lonely Italian
I endorse Papa Zito's stance on random italian posts.
Conferring with Papa Zito.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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It's better this way.Espeonage wrote:It appears the fire bellyed cooking device wins.
UNVOTE: BE
VOTE: BS
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lolStrangerCoug wrote:Mafuyu, who was aMafia voyeur, has been blown up on Night 1.
LOLStrangerCoug wrote:*bangs head against monitor, causing Parama and Lambdadelta to laugh some more*
I was right the first time, just gave Mafuyu a result as if she were the wrong role. Changing everything back.
YAY FOR BEING LAUGHING STOCK!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLStrangerCoug wrote:Also, this will be awhile before I have everything ready, butNobody Special, who was aMafia goon, has been disemboweled on Day 2.The scum are dropping like flies, aren't they?
DEAR SCUMZ
If you want to gg right now it's cool with us.
vote: Blooderection
AGar and I need a chance to talk about all these awesome events.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I know I played a pristine game, but it was 5 scums. Me, Parma, bv310/Smashbro_SSS, xvart and someone else. I forget who #5 was. Katsuki mebbe?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Noting that in the last game, there were only 4 scum (and an SK) this seems like... extreme.
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Pedit: Ok cool. Still 6 on BE by my count.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Lol@ trying to save your brohan. The case is outlined. Go read the thread.xvart wrote:Again, what's the case on BE? I've read BE's ISO, read the pages before the lynch; I'm just not seeing what happened since the day start that suggests BE is scum that would not have been obvious yesterday and BE been the lynch yesterday.
xvart.
Also, what's the case on CK3? Oh, you're just scum looking for an easy push on a PR based on math. How about this: Scumhunting > Math.
BAM.
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So. Much. Lulz.chesskid wrote:This is not scumhunt the PRS, this is scumhunt who is frothy.
But I completely agree with the sentiment. This whole "let's go down a lynch list lol" is fucking stupid.
Me.Parama wrote:Who said I posted no substantial information?
Dear kids wanting Blooderection case,
Plz to be doing iso on Blooderection and posting results.
Love,
PZ
P.S. Antihero is town, wasted vote is wasted.
P.P.S. The more xvart posts, the more I want him shot.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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My oh my, we've fallen a bit behind apparently.
It. HURTS.Espeonage wrote:I know I didn't post a real BE case. It was kinda obvious. Look at the points where I mention he is scum and then look at the BE posts preceding it. Is fair obvious.
YOU'RE SOFT-FAKE-CLAIM ISN'T WORKING SCUMSSSSSSSSS.Tasky wrote:UNVOTE BLOODERECTION PLEASE!
you need to trust me. he should die tonight anyway.
what pro-town reason is there to waste a lynch on someone who is going to die anyway?
Summary for Reckamonic: Bite a bullet? Got no other help for ya brohans.
Why you so confident about 2 left (the paranthetical AFTER the statement looks like an "Oh shit this might look scummy. Fixed!" deal).Tasky wrote:you are aware of the fact that you are calling 5 people scum while we have max 2 left (assuming a 5 scum team)?
When did you claim cop bro?xvart wrote:Quick post toReckamonic:
Summary:chesskid is scum. Since he is post restricted, you can read my posts (I only have about ten or so) as I translate most of them and respond to their scumminess. Skip the statistics babble, as it is only relevant in regards to chesskid using flawed and mod confirmed false logic to defend himself, as is documented in my posting.
Will respond to the other stuff later.
xvart.
Reckamonic needs bullets.
SO MANY PLAYERS I WANT DEAD. SC GIMME A GUN! AND LOTS O' BULLETS!
[quote="Tasky"also, OMGUS is not a scumtell. at least not in most circumstances.
this is the first reason Me=Weird's post is bullshit.
the second is that he is voting me.
the third is that he is making a ridiculous case against LLD (who is my top town read atm).
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He was saying your case was OMGUS. YOU FAIL SIR.
Toon Fighter is an idiot. Yay.
SOMEONE VIG RECKAMONIC TONIGHT. PLEAAAAASEEEE.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Something that is blithering with lies.Tasky wrote:
what am I softclaiming in your opinion?The Stove wrote:Tasky wrote:UNVOTE BLOODERECTION PLEASE!
you need to trust me. he should die tonight anyway.
what pro-town reason is there to waste a lynch on someone who is going to die anyway?
Reckamonic needs bullets still.
Forum glitch has confused me.
Sad AGar is sad.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Do an iso on them real quick and tell me what you think.Me=Weird wrote:And since he supposedly is super scummy, how hard is it to say why?
You know what's wrong with this? (I guess not, you keep pushing it)Tasky wrote:look. it's simple. I have a good reason to suspect that BE will die today.
The problem is you "suspect" that something will happen. Which means you don't know. Which means it may not happen. Which means one less dead BE.
Also for all I know this is part of some secret plan etc.
Now, see, this is silly. And it's why you're scum good sir.xvart wrote:why did you not vote BE yesterday instead of Baby Spice? What changed overnight that made you insta vote BE without further evidence or justification?
Obviously AGar and I knocked heads together and came up with a scum list, which had
Baby Spice
Blooderection
At the top of it. (you're up there now too, congrats) It's not like we never said we'd like to see BE dead, btw.
Reck. Be a hero and hammer plz.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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StrangerCoug wrote:VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): chesskid3
chesskid3 (3): xvart, manho, Reckamonic
Chronopie (1): Twomz
Me=Weird (1): Tasky
mothrax (7): Parama, The Stove, Lady Lambdadelta, Antihero, smargaret, Espeonage, Chronopie
Tasky (1): Me=Weird
Toon Fighter (1): mothrax
Not voting (1): Toon Fighter
This is a pretty big shift. And looking back at mothrax's posts, I'm not really seeing any content there.StrangerCoug wrote:VOTE COUNT
Antihero (1): chesskid3
chesskid3 (3): xvart, manho, Reckamonic
Chronopie (1): Twomz
Me=Weird (1): Tasky
mothrax (5): Parama, The Stove, Lady Lambdadelta, smargaret, Espeonage
Toon Fighter (4): mothrax, Antihero, Chronopie, Me=Weird
Not voting (1): Toon Fighter
Lulz. On a couple of levels.mothrax wrote: I have not played with Zito, but I can be pretty sure that he is not a player who jumps onto wagons opportunistically as town.
Also, I'm gonna post this here, even though it may not be the smartest thing to do:
Townie townies
Antihero
Me=Weird
chesskid3
smargaret
Switzerland
Parama
Lady Lambdadelta
Chronopie (replaces Framm 18)
manho
Reckamonic
Tasky
Toon Fighter (replaces sakshijain)
Twomz
Dem scums
xvart (replaces bhavitgoyal)
Espeonage
mothrax (replaces Blooderection)
Order matters yes. AGar and I more-or-less agree on the placement of all of these.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I've been beaten by the pasta-man again.
Re: Chronopie's amnesiac claim - there were 3 amnesiac, last game - two townies and a goon (me). They were based off of one player (LLD) choosing her role. I ended up defaulting to a bulletproof, while the other two defaulted to VTs.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I've been beaten by the pasta-man again.
Re: Chronopie's amnesiac claim - there were 3 amnesiac, last game - two townies and a goon (me). They were based off of one player (LLD) choosing her role. I ended up defaulting to a bulletproof, while the other two defaulted to VTs.
Me=Weird doesn't think as scum. Srsly.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Hurray for hammer.
Don't bother, he's scum. (Vigs you know what to do etc)Antihero wrote:Seriously, it's not like it's infuriating enough trying to explain why I'm suspicious of TF only to be shot down for no damn good reason. Now I have someone telling me what I do and do not know.
I look forward to more red text on my screen.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Dead weight so far, though that's par for the course so far this game. I'd love to go do an iso on him but I'm getting a SQL error whenever I try. I'll have to do a full reread of the game (ug) I spoze.Antihero wrote:Hey Papa Zito/Agar,
What do you think of manho?
BTW, I've played with manho several times now and I always think he's scummy. That he's just (yet another) neutral at this point is kindof an improvement.
AGar and I need to confer and decide where we want to go today. I'd love to see some dead Espeonage (hi vig?) but.
orlyParama wrote:I'm shocked that you care so much about being moved from town to townish-null. All I'm gonna say on the matter.
I'm interested too. You seem to be having an exceptionally hard time explaining Antihero's change in status. "Tone" and "baseless accusations" are pretty vague and lame. Please post quotes to justify these.
Who's scum?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have a slight problem with the reveals that have occurred so far.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Uh, how about the attempted coy sliding onto the BE wagon which was really just awkward as fuck and scummy? Yeah, that's a good start.Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.
This post doesn't help either.
VOTE: Espeonage
Manho, please refrain from making more posts like 796. Thanks.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I give you post #800Tasky wrote:wait. isn't this going WAAAY to fast?
we should be a little careful, while it is true that 3 scums have died, we still lost 2 very powerful power roles. I don't think we should take this lightheartedly.
I'd like a NICE, PRECISE and COMPLETE case against Espeonage in one post. Thanks!
Nacho, I know you're not this bad and I know you're not lazy enough to take a PR cop-out. C'mon man.The Stove wrote:
Uh, how about the attempted coy sliding onto the BE wagon which was really just awkward as fuck and scummy? Yeah, that's a good start.Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.
This post doesn't help either.
Antihero: What exactly is your case on Manho? You just say "I don't like him." And move on. Prior to that "Don't put important stuff in spoilers. Oh and you're scummy."
I r t3h confuzed.
Manho does look scummy however, I will agree. Time to knock heads with Zito.
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OMG WE'RE LIKE A TO Z. HOLY SHIT I'M BRILLIANT.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Okay, I'm fast getting really pissed at this game. Normally I like more precision but I'm going to just start commenting on everything because my god.
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No, you haven't. Antihero asks a good question and you've completely stonewalled him (and now me). The "all you're going to say on the matter" turned out to beParama wrote:Rather, I've already said all there is to say on the matter.
...which is utter and complete bullshit. He's found a contradiction in your stance (to hell with that he's the target) and here you dodge the question AND fling mud by making it look like Antihero is just worried about his own image. THEN he tries to get you to give an opinion on manho and you ignore that too. If you're town the answer the damn questions asked of you in the game.Parama wrote:I'm shocked that you care so much about being moved from town to townish-null. All I'm gonna say on the matter.
BTW
What fucking purpose does this serve.Parama wrote:Nacho, are you the daykiller?
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Here are your posts so far this day:
Note: Toon Fighter flipped townLady Lambdadelta wrote:Well... that's nice to see! No deaths!
Vote: Toon Fighter
My votes gonna hang out right here for now. I want to do a read of Reckamonic and xvrt, and I'll see if I can get a block post consisting of the cases against those 2, aswell as TF.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have a slight problem with the reveals that have occurred so far. Looking back, when 1 death happens at night, and it's of a mafia member (See: Day 2 start) and the previous night kill was not revealed, maybe due to a janitor (See: Day 1 Start), as well as 2 Day Kills, that both sprung mafia flips...
Doesn't this seem a little too easy? We haven't even lynched a scum yet... to the contrary, we have lynched a cop and a VT.
I'm thinking that maybe this day killer has some kind of millerizing effect AND/OR the Night kills are being masked by the mod or some other power.
In short: it seems unlikely to me that 3 scum are dead, and none of them have been lynched by us.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:EBWOP: It would be really nice if someone had a forensic role...Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Don't forget your post restriction Twomz.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Why was a town JOAT acting so... Weird?
Utterly useless fluff. Where's the scumhunting? Where's the answer to my question?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:"Why me." All I have to say.
Vote:EspeonagePapa Zito wrote:
Who's scum?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have a slight problem with the reveals that have occurred so far.
Antihero
I'm curious where you're going with all the manho stuff.Antihero wrote:Ugh
Also I haven't delivered yet on the reread but I promise to do it today. Meanwhile, keep fighting the good fight etc.
xvart
It's a damn good one. State your issue with it. I'm sick of the vague generalities ITT. Also lol@worrying about your place on our list.xvart wrote:What kind of answer is this? Also, I am apparently on this scum list for an unknown reason.
Espeonage
Why not.Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch.
No seriously. You're total dead weight. What's the point of keeping you around? You're either scum or you're useless, either way your lynch is a net gain for town.
TaskyTasky wrote:why exactly are people voting Espeonage? Must have missed the case against him.
Y halo thar white knight.Tasky wrote:I'd like a NICE, PRECISE and COMPLETE case against Espeonage in one post. Thanks!
Here's an idea: go read him yourself and form your own opinion.
Nachomamma8
Does it? So you have a strong town read on xvart then?Nachomamma8 wrote:Stove's xvart scumread confuses me. I'd appreciate if he could hold my hand and enlighten me of that one.
MY read on him is that he's an utterly useless scummy dirtbag. Right now I'm trying to figure out why AGar doesn't hate him as much as I do. Once we hit consensus on him I'll let you know. (FTR I thought we had but apparently not so)Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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No, we care because you can't articulate why. We care because you first tried to justify the change with lame excuses. We care because you completely shut down when you were pressed. We also care because you still skirt the issue.Parama wrote:I'm just shocked and awed that people care so much that I changed one town read to a nulltown read.
Parama wrote:And which questions did I miss? I tend to answer them all.
And before you go smartass and say "wul gee PZ that ain'ta question rite thar hyuk hyuk" let's start with "can you post quotes to justify this position" and THEN we'll get to "post those quotes plz".Papa Zito wrote:"Tone" and "baseless accusations" are pretty vague and lame. Please post quotes to justify these.
HULK SMASHParama wrote:Calm down, PZ.
XDAntihero wrote:Yes, I think I would rather stick my finger in a pencil sharpener than try to convince xvart of anything, but I don't see any scum motivation for what he's saying.
What I see in Espeonage's play is nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's completely empty. You don't see this?Tasky wrote:That's exactly the point: I read Espeonage but I didn't see what you see. Therefore I am asking you to show me.
Smartass. Look at his posts and take a stand.Tasky wrote:he got a role PM from the mod containing his role. I know from a reliable source that his role was chosen randomly among a pool of roles containing scumroles and townroles.
That answers both questions.
Are you off an iPhone yet?Lady whatever wrote:Can I draw up cases and do ISO reads later, when I'm NOT on an iPhone?
This. This is the best plan.Me=Weird wrote:After espeon is dead, if it's not game over, can we please lynch this guy?
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I'll explain things when I want a wagon on you. Which will come, no worries.xvart wrote:Explain to me my scum motivation for asking the questions I did.
I'll also let AGar explain the BE case bit.
I don't see anything particularly scummy in chronopie's play thus far. But that reminds me.xvart wrote:Is chronopie scum because he couldn't find a case on BE upon replacing in yesterday?
@Mod: Plz to be prodding Chronopie thx
We haven't intentionally lied about anything, so no. Again, I'll let AGar address this.xvart wrote:Were you intentionally lying when you said the BE case had already been outlined? If not, why did you say it when it had not been outlined?
The case on BE, and on several of the players in this game, is that they aren't doing anything. If I help lynch all the lurkers, and the VIs, and the people not paying attention, and the people not trying, then I'm either going to hit scum or I'm going to get rid of dead weight. Either way, when the game comes down to the wire, the town is in a far better position to win. BE, and espeonage, and LLD, and Tasky, and Toon Fighter, and manho and etc fit this bill. (you're being actively destructive, there's a difference)xvart wrote:Was the case on BE so complicated that you couldn't possibly sum it up in a couple of sentences?
Your case? You didn't put together a case. You regurgitated some posts from other players.xvart wrote:Was my case that I put together correct or not?
lol wow. I'm gonna let you go back and correct yourself on this one.xvart wrote:It seems if you are confident in your lynch target you would want to rally the troops to get a lynch, and the fact that you really did not say anything about BE at all is very telling.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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And now here's my dilemma.Parama wrote:Here's me not responding to PZ.
I do want Espeonage dead, and he's already got a wagon going so I hate to abandon it. Also wagons are tech in and of themselves.
But then there's Parama, who hasn't contributed anything this game except for his lists, which aren't scumhunting and are virtually useless anyway, and now is really acting like he got caught and is hoping I'll just leave him alone.
I dunno. I need to talk this over with AGar I guess. Does the town in general have any desire to see a Parama wagon?Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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You know, Parama, I like you. And that's why I'm going to respond to this, yet again.
You're not obvtown. Sorry.Parama wrote:Dunno why town would want to see a wagon on obvtown.
It's not scumhunting. There's no value to it.Parama wrote:Dunno why you care about me moving Antihero on my list if my list isn't scumhunting like you say.
Let me reverse this.
What value have those lists given to the town in this game?
Again, just cuz I like you.Parama wrote:You're BSing this on the basis of me moving one read on my list. From town to nulltown. And acting like it's a big deal. While also saying my lists are worthless.
This has nothing to do with moving someone up or down your list. This has to do with:
1. Your extremely vague and weak initial reasoning ("tone" and "baseless accusations")
2. Your absolute refusal to back up this weak and initial reasoning
3. Your attempt to skirt the issue by repeatedly saying the charge is the movement and not your actions thereafter
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Where the hell is AGar. Good thing this is a hydra.
Yeah I figured that out soon after I posted.Nacho wrote:PZ, just try to ISO manho. You'll see what I mean
This is also my problem. But it rankles. God it rankles. PLUS Parama being bored doesn't equate to his actions.Nacho wrote:I understand getting bored of a game and lurking definitely; plus, there's just way too many people below him on my scumlist that need taking care of.
Personal satisfaction?Antihero wrote:But I say no to a Parama wagon, I don't see what we'll gain from it.
Wagoning is the only way we have to force someone to participate. My worry is that if we just let Parama skate along like this without doing something about it, we'll regret it later. But like Nacho said, there's also Espeonage and Manho and etc.
Yeah.Espeonage wrote:Proddodge
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Tasky, why that vote. Why that vote over other possible votes. Sigh.
ITP Parama knows PZ is town?Parama wrote:You won't regret leaving an important town player alive, PZ
In other news, I did my promised manho read and yeah, he's even more useless than normal. Fully support wagons etc.
In yet other news, during my reread I came to the conclusion that LLD is probably not scum. Must be just lost or something.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I agree completely. That was a horrible post. I hope the next one is better.Parama wrote:I see a wall of "Your logic sucks, I hate your playstyle, and why are these people alive" from Knight.
Lawl backtrack.xvart wrote:My apologies. When I said "you really did not say anything about BE" I meant "you didn't really say anything of substance". Better?
I called for more BE votes several times. Sorry, you fail.xvart wrote:It seems if you are confident in your lynch target you would want to rally the troops to get a lynch
No? Prove it.xvart wrote:But this doesn't really match what you've been saying.
You quoted AGar. So I'll let AGar answer you. Hurp durp?xvart wrote:why do you need to wait for Agar to comment about it
You're trying awfully hard here xvart, I'll give you that. Maybe re-read this sentence a few times. Savor it. Take in the aroma.xvart wrote:The fact that you backpeddaled on your outlined case of BE by telling me to ISO BE means that his scumminess was in his ISO; but you now say it was because of his lack of contribution?
Sure you did.xvart wrote:I never claimed it was MY case
I just gave you my reason for wanting a dead BE. Compare it to your regurgitation post.
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Meh.
First, there's this:
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I spoze.xvart wrote:I can't believe you are even engaging me in this discussion, The Stove.
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So since you were alluding to someone being scummy by not answering questions, does that make your refusal to answer my questions a legitimate scum tell?
This is completely false. AGAIN, what xvart said was:xvart wrote:You are seriously trying to call that a backtrack? They are essentially the exact same thing but the second has a little more to it because I didn't realize you used semantics and such literal meanings in an attempt to defend yourself.
As xvart demonstrated, we do say we want him dead, several times. He tried to change the argument to prove something else, but, no. We said we wanted him dead. We helped lead the wagon. End of.xvart wrote:It seems if you are confident in your lynch target you would want to rally the troops to get a lynch, and the fact that you really did not say anything about BE at all is very telling.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I've given my reasoning for wanting BE (among others) to be in the graveyard pile.
BTW, there's a rather core fallacy to his argument. It's not necessary to post an exhaustive case on someone in order to vote them. For example:
Toon Fighter never appears in your iso before this. And your TF never appeared afterwards either, even though you even promised one.Lady LambdaDelta wrote:Well... that's nice to see! No deaths!
Vote: Toon Fighter
My votes gonna hang out right here for now. I want to do a read of Reckamonic and xvrt, and I'll see if I can get a block post consisting of the cases against those 2, aswell as TF.
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Nope.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Passive aggresive.
Deflecting attention.
Avoiding questions.
But you voted TF without posting a case.Lady etc wrote:To answer YOUR question: TF was day vigged before I created a case, reckamonic replaced out, and xvrt solved my questions about his game play around the time he started looking into you.
No, she's likely town. Just hardheaded or something. (maybe xvart was too, who knows)Antihero wrote:ugh, now I am regreting not hammering LLD on Day 1.
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Twomz saw it! Twomz saw it! Seriously, why is this post being ignored?Tasky wrote:
he got a role PM from the mod containing his role. I know from a reliable source that his role was chosen randomly among a pool of roles containing scumroles and townroles.Nachomamma8 wrote:What reasons make you believe Espeonage could be town?
What reasons make you believe Espeonage could be scum?
That answers both questions.
This is textbook "Hey I don't want to take a stance" posting!
LLD 845 is conveniently 4 previously named scumreads, interested to see why she chooses them. 845 is also my area code ZOMG.
Defense of town is townpoints? OMGLOL.smargaret wrote:Huh. Upon rereading, xvart has the defense of BE, which gives him town points, and some rolefishing/pointless post restriction discussion/my own private reason which give him scum points. Leaning scum, but probably not a good choice for today.
EBWOP: The last post was goodposting. Read changes to null.
Parama Tasky is obvtown? Do explain (seeing if you do).
Oh wait, defending townie. lulz.
Too bad this isn't a comedy club. -_-
Oh, and re: BE case. I figured I didn't need to give a point by point analysis. I figured when I said "BE is firing up the diesel bus" that meant "Holy shit, BE's behavior looks very similar to bussing." I was wrong, but hey - shit happens. Even God let's people die, right?
The force is strong with this one, but unharnessed.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Passive aggresive.
Deflecting attention.
Avoiding questions.
To answer YOUR question: TF was day vigged before I created a case, reckamonic replaced out, and xvrt solved my questions about his game play around the time he started looking into you.
But back to YOUR play. You continue to avoid things, even now resorting to attacking me, rather than providing cases that I request.
Unvote; Vote: The Stove
This is the play today.
P-Edit: Antihero, shut up. You have contributed less than I have. In fact, about all you've said is "I should have hammered LLD". If you find me so god damn scummy, post a case FFS!
We did not attack. In fact, we have called you town, based on our own summations.
However, we pointed out one thing that you did that you also tossed suspicion on us for. Differences are tech.
All questions, that PZ clearly said I needed to answer, were answered now that I have returned.
Smargaret, you should really be cautious about how you say things.
If it's scummy for us, and it's scummy for Lady Greek Letters, then it's scummy for you.
Seriously, when did a player defending another player who flipped town become a town-tell???? Because I missed the memo.smargaret wrote:Blooderection is the play today. I'm not joking.
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Parama wrote:The Stove wrote:Parama Tasky is obvtown? Do explain (seeing if you do).Parama wrote:See: Tasky giving role-related reasons as to why we shouldn't lynch BE because he'll die anyways
See: BE/moth flipping town
See: Tasky obvtown
Twomz hit it on the head.The Stove wrote:...
Oh wait, defending townie. lulz.
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There's a couple things wrong here.smargaret wrote:My interpretation of his post was that you do a lot of talking about the case on BE without actually making a case. Posts like "I'll post tomorrow," "I'll let other head do it," and "Go find it yourself" make you look scummy when they are disproportionate to the "BE is scum because X, Y, and Z" posts.
First, there's nothing wrong with "I'll post tomorrow" since, hey look, I actually follow up. Not to mention this hydra happens to be one of the more active players in the game. Also there's nothing wrong with "I'll let the other head do it" - If you directly quote something AGar said, why the hell wouldn't I let him address it? "Go find it yourself" is a fantastic device that I use in all my games for a wide variety of reasons that I won't go into here because this isn't Zito's Guide to Mafia.
The second thing - and this is really starting to unnerve me a bit - is this newbie-game-like assumption that votes must be accompanied by an exhaustive case. AGar already pointed out where you did it yourself, so guess what, more hypocrisy, huzzah. We all (should?) know by now that there is often good reason not to post a case along with a vote.
But it does make LLD completely hypocritical.smargaret wrote:Also, just because LLD posted a vote without a case doesn't mean it's less scummy for you to do it.
Kinda like you.
Thanks!Parama wrote:unrelated to anything: gratz on the mod position, PZ.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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I know, but I think she's town. I have Powerful Reasons yes.Fate wrote:Or hell, lynching princess here might be the best way to minimize claims today.
Shes REALLY grating my scumdarnerves with her refusal to post content ever.
Yar.Fate wrote:THIS IS ME REPLACING XVART, LIKING HIS POINTS, AND DEMANDING YOUR RESPONSE.
PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
I pinged AGar. Pending his approval, we're on board.Fate wrote:Espeon could just as easly be town though, so I'd REALLYYYYY prefer a Parama wagon
Like?Parama wrote:besides lynching me would be a lot worse than lynching <insert generic lurker here> for several reasons.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Woo, postrate++
Still waiting on AGar.
1. We've had this discussion.Parama wrote:1. I'm providing content unlike Espe and Chrono
2. I'm town, Espe and Chrono are not
3. [REDACTED]
2. lol?
3. mmm hmm
So in other words, no.
...Tasky wrote:posting to avoid prod.
+1Antihero wrote:The lack of Chronopie in this thread makes me rage.
Full scumlist plz.Chronopie wrote:Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.
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(cue Animal House impersonation)Chronopie wrote:Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.
Would you rather meaningless fluff posting?
or just a lack of posting?
either way, very little content would come from forcing me to post when I have less to say. :/
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Consider,someone(s)have a very accurate scumdar, and it's not the town as a whole.IFFate had come up with some new reads, rather than parroting common opinion, we might actually manage tolynchscum, instead of letting the anonymous killer(s) do the job for us.
On the other hand, I am beginning to doubt some of my scum reads. After all, if both myself and Fate have picked Esp as scum, it just may be wrong...
YOU HAVE NO SCUMREADS!
I am down for Parama wagon.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Parama
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Half of the stove is drunk. Would that make me "The S" or "tove"?
I dunno.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Fate, I like what you're doing here. No homo. You're a dude right?
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Parama, in what sorry universe do one-liner meta defenses fly?
Espeonage Nov 11th wrote:Proddodge got to get on a train to my last exam in half an hour. Will post somethign when I get a chance.Espeonage Nov 15th wrote:It was on VLA
Tick tock, Clarice.Espeonage sig wrote:V/LA for a few days. Should be back by tuesday.
Chesskid, scumlist plz.
What is this I don't even.Charlie wrote:Drat, I've gotten myself into one fine mess. Who should I sheep?
Vote Parama then. Also we know you're the SK and we told you to shoot Espeonage.
P.S. Drunkposter was the AGar half. Zito typoes like there's no tomorrow when inebriated.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Fate... I've explained why my vote Is on Stove.
When deadline draws nearer, if nothing changes I'll join a larger wagon.
Otherwise, I like where my vote is right now.
LinkyLady Lambdadelta wrote:But back to YOUR play. You continue to avoid things, even now resorting to attacking me, rather than providing cases that I request.
Unvote; Vote: The Stove
That should take care of all of your reasons for voting. Meaning you should probably stop being silly. Let me re-iterate: We didn't attack you. We simply pointed out a massive inconsistency. Last I checked, you were still a town-read of ours. PZ kept deflecting things to me because, well, they were my reasonings. He is not me. The case has been outlined. Care to QQ more?
Fate, chill. You're beating up the wrong tree here - right idea, wrong situation. Parama's still the better choice. You know it deep down.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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You mean other than you've done nothing but try really really hard to appear pro-town all game with those lists while not actually:Parama wrote:AGar, why am I scum? No glancing at PZ's posts allowed.
A) Providing anything concrete to assist the town in getting anything done
B) Putting yourself in a position where you could be held accountable for your reads on the basis of why you have them?
You've posted lists. Lists don't give town any information to work with besides where you decided to place names. No reasoning why you put a read where you did. No indication as to what influenced shifts. You've been intentionally vague in what you have put out there so that if someone has a counter to any argument you provide, you have a shitton of wiggle room. If you were actually town, you'd be willing to commit to a read, knowing that even if you're wrong, you can provide ample reasoning as to why you got to that thought process logically and coherently.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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Fate, I'mma let you finish, but Smarg has had one of the most misinterpreted events of all time. OF ALL TIME.
Let me help you get from A to B here, since I'm fairly confident in both of my reads on you two.
Smarg calls Tasky scum.
You enforce the idea of running up wagons on Tasky, Chrono, Parama until they claim, and if you can't validate the claims, you want them lynched.
Smarg calls rolefishing on the basis that you want to run up wagons until you find something your satisfied with.
You blow up because she calls you for rolefishing on Tasky.
You see what you're missing here?
Honestly, you can't tell me you honestly believe 100% that there is no rolefishing involved in offering to run up 3 wagons to claim in order to get what you want.
Rolefishing ain't completely negative, dog. I agree that we should get claims of people, force them into a stance that they might be uncomfortable taking but then forcing them to stay the course or be lynched if they deviate.
His lists without any apparent reasoning give him free reign to change things whenever it is convenient to his cause without really furnishing any reason why. When he does provide any kind of reasoning, it is extremely weak and on the spot for being called out, like when you were told you were moved because of "tone" and "baseless accusations," neither of which he was actually able to provide a concrete example of. When pressed on the issue he skirted it and moved on to doing nothing else. He has frequented this behavior. It gives him an escape should he be on a town wagon and people begin to analyze it later on, and should he be lynched (like should happen today), he leaves little to no connections with any of his scumbuddies.Antihero wrote:Stove, I don't think parama has a problem committing to reads.
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The Stove Goon
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Ok.
Fate's arguments (re: what to do with votes etc) are 100%, completely correct. And it is sterling protown for him to try to edumacate the masses.
Now, thoseresistingthe arguments aren't automagically scums tho; that's where Fate falls down a little bit.
Fate, I get what you're saying but remember this is all theory. Disagreeing based on theory != scumminess. Was some misrepping involved? Yeah a bit but it wasn'tpushedamirite?
Ok.Fate wrote:Seriously Stove, re-read smarg's ISO.
My problem tho is that smargaret is one of our townie reads (though it's not reaaaaally strong) and so I'd really rather we sort out the VIs/lurkers/etc and then go after that one lone scumplayer who's actually trying.
OMG <3 KoC.Knight of Cydonia wrote:Tasky. Chrono. Parama.
All three need to be lynched. Tasky has gone completely under the radar. Chrono was never above it. Parama is throwing around vague bullshit about how Charlie is town, and smarg is ruining the null/town read I had on her by accusing Fate, of all people, of paralyzing the game.
Except Espeonage.
Priorities dammit.Fate wrote:Stove if she leaves her vote on me and goes V/LA, I'll have no choice but to get her lynched.
I hope you understand. She is incredibly obvscum.
I can't recall anything offhand that she's done that's been terribly townie. My read is more of a guttish thing, plus it's comparative.Fate wrote:Stove you're going to have to go over this town read with me REAL close and it better not contain any bullshit "interactions with scum" because I REFUSE to accept those as any more than circumstancial evidence.
You've seen the amount of stupid bullshit in this game, I'm sure you get where I'm going.
+1StrangerCoug wrote:Happy scumday Twomz!
Charlie's like post is like Parama v2.Tremble in fear. AGar and Zito are near.-
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The Stove Goon
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