Magician's Mafia: The Hypnotists, Game Over

[SpyreX]

I'm even caught up and stuff.

Before I get into details:

D1 - understandable.
D2 - well done.
D3 - WHAT

Seriously. WHAT.

That makes me angry on every level you chuckleheads. All of you are in super secret probation now.

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3 MehPlusRawr (

Fate

, DrippingGoofball, Toogeloo)
1

danakillsu

(

Razgriz

)
1

Fate

(Antihero)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 9 – SpyreX,

budja

,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

gandalf5166

, GhostWriter, Katsuki, MehPlusRawr, Cogito Ergo Sum

5 MehPlusRawr (DrippingGoofball,

gandalf5166

, Cogito Ergo Sum,

Razgriz

,

danakillsu

)
1 Tasky (Katsuki)
1

Fate

(Antihero)
1

gandalf5166

(

Fate

)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 6 – SpyreX,

budja

, Ellibereth, GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Toogeloo

5

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball,

danakillsu

)
2

Fate

(Antihero,

gandalf5166

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1 MehPlusRawr (

Razgriz

)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 5 – SpyreX, Ellibereth, GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Toogeloo

7

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

Razgriz

)
2

Fate

(Antihero,

gandalf5166

)
1

danakillsu

(GhostWriter)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 3 – SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, Toogeloo

7

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball,

danakillsu

,

Razgriz

, Ellibereth)
2

Fate

(Antihero,

gandalf5166

)
1 SpyreX (MehPlusRawr)
1

danakillsu

(GhostWriter)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 2 – SpyreX, Toogeloo

7

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

Razgriz

)
2

Fate

(Antihero,

gandalf5166

)
1

danakillsu

(GhostWriter)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

Razgriz

(MehPlusRawr)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 2 – SpyreX, Toogeloo

8

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

Razgriz

, Toogeloo)
1

danakillsu

(GhostWriter)
1

Fate

(

gandalf5166

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

Razgriz

(MehPlusRawr)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 2 – Antihero, SpyreX

Day 2

5

danakillsu

(GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Toogeloo, Antihero,

Razgriz

)
1 SpyreX (Ellibereth)
1

Razgriz

(Katsuki)
1 Toogeloo (

danakillsu

)
Not Voting – 5 – Tasky, SpyreX,

budja

, DrippingGoofball, Cogito Ergo Sum

6

Razgriz

(Katsuki,

danakillsu

, Antihero, GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Ellibereth)
2

danakillsu

(Toogeloo,

Razgriz

)
Not Voting – 5 – Tasky, SpyreX,

budja

, DrippingGoofball, Cogito Ergo Sum

5

Razgriz

(

danakillsu

, Antihero, GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Ellibereth)
2

danakillsu

(Toogeloo,

Razgriz

)
Not Voting – 6 – Tasky, SpyreX, Katsuki,

budja

, DrippingGoofball, Cogito Ergo Sum

7

Razgriz

(

danakillsu

, Antihero, GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Ellibereth, Toogeloo,

Razgriz

)
Not Voting – 6 – SpyreX, Katsuki,

budja

, DrippingGoofball, Tasky, Cogito Ergo Sum

Day 3

2

danakillsu

(Katsuki, MehPlusRawr)
1 SpyreX (Cogito Ergo Sum)
Not Voting – 9 – Antihero, SpyreX,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth, GhostWriter,

budja

, DrippingGoofball, Tasky, Toogeloo

5

danakillsu

(Katsuki, MehPlusRawr, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth,

budja

)
1 Katsuki (

danakillsu

)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 5 – Antihero, SpyreX , DrippingGoofball, GhostWriter, Toogeloo

7

danakillsu

(Katsuki, MehPlusRawr, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth,

budja

, DrippingGoofball, Toogeloo)
1 Katsuki (

danakillsu

)
1 Toogeloo (Tasky)
Not Voting – 3 – Antihero, SpyreX , GhostWriter

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So, what does this mean:

Mos Def at least 1 of (Kat, CEG, DGB) are scum. As per D1
After Raz's AWESOME STATEMENT that I can't believe you went along with I'll put money on there being a split D2 leaving (Anti, Ghost, MPR, Elli, TOG) / (SpyreX, Katsuki, DrippingGoofball, Tasky, Cogito Ergo Sum) as the split.
D3 I dont even know you chuckleheads. Why, lord, why. I'm thinking we're looking at a 1/1 split again (Anti, SpyreX, Ghost, Tasky) / (Kat, MPR, GES, Elli, DGB, Toog).

Now, comes the fun part:
Tasky is town.
Ghost is town.
That means the D3 Split points at Anti. Which, oddly enough, was one of my picks before I did this analysis (yea, you can't "trust" that. yea, you can also shut it).
Which means that the other lies in Kat, DGB, CEG (which, ODDLY ENOUGH is the same set as D1).

Personal call on that set? CEG by a margin. That is subject to change.

Unvote, Vote: Antihero

[SpyreX]

I'm leanin that way too based on said parses and said nothings and post 584 sure doesn't help that.

I want some of my hardcore DGB lovin' though.

And Anti to dangle first, ya know.

[SpyreX]

With 16 night start its probably 4. Maaaybe 5 but I haven't seen anything that would make that make sense.

I like you Mr Genma we're gonna go places.

[SpyreX]

Swinging at a replacement directly for the replaced is ballsy, I'll give you that.

That swing NOW doubly so after not reading or commenting on the words? That could be suicide.

[SpyreX]

Votes aren't forever.

Waiting around is, though.

[SpyreX]

I wont derail this TOO much right now because I've got good vibes on you and its the kind of derail that lets things squeak through but with no recourse on the vote at this juncture and laying out everything there is no difference between "the threat" of a vote and an actual vote - except that you didn't put your hand to the paper.

It's not lylo, there's no magic hammers and threatening a vote only looks like pointless handwringing.

[SpyreX]

BTW my results are really only gonna find 2 scum - the third is an outlier for the moment.

The awesome statement was the I got bussed yo especially by dana during that vote. That, REALLY, should have been a near-clear.

[SpyreX]

...

Actually, that's a great question. I don't remember seeing anything about that either.

[SpyreX]

What about anti?

And lord I missed that too. I'm tired today.

Thats fine though because Tasky being scum would have made the mind seethe

[SpyreX]

Know what my favorite part is?

No "your analysis is wrong" or "omg scum faking it"

Just "how am I scum?"

[SpyreX]

Dag nabbit DGB look at 600

[SpyreX]

No one is gonna see it?

Anti, at day end, has been VOTING one time. On Raz.

[SpyreX]

I'll freely admit its going RIGHT over my head whatever shenanigans you're up to

[SpyreX]

You're being deceptive a bit there m'dear.

Why do you think Anti is town?

Looking at the parses why does CES rank low.

[SpyreX]

5 gandalf5166 (Fate, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball, danakillsu)

If you're eliminating yourself, then you're pushing an awful heavy sandwich if you think that group is all town.

And I'm gonna need WAY more from two days no-vote + "why am I scum" for a Anti-town.

[SpyreX]

Damnit Toogel.

OK, NOW can we go ahead and lynch Anti?

AND that explains Fate not getting doc'd - I'd have reversed it but I follow.

[SpyreX]

Ok DGB you're starting to make me nervous.

MPR wagon.
Gan wagon.
NOT the raz wagon.
Dana wagon.

NO major wagons BESIDES raz.

These are bad news bears as per analysis.

For Elli you're saying Raz lept on right after. (And Elli's play SANS not just explaining whats up because I'm still missing it doesn't itch near as bad as the others).

MPR needs to step up but your numbers make us itch.

AND if you're saying Toogeloo is town I'm really not understanding leaving GW up there - much less above Anti.

In other words: :shakesfist:

[SpyreX]

Cloossserr, cloossseerrr.

How's about this:

If I'm wrong about Anti I'll look more at MPR.
If I'm right about Anti we take care of CES.

I have no idea how exactly the hypnotism works. I'm treating it like having someone ELSE perform the kill (which would mean Fate wasn't hypno'd N1 unless they can have them kill self?).

[SpyreX]

I'll give you chances are high that the end is within that foursome.

My gutbelly says CES + Anti more than MPR

[SpyreX]

I'm still missing how/why Fate was hypnotized?

[SpyreX]

Stop bein coy and just let it out. Its bubbling son let 'er free.

[SpyreX]

OOOOOHHHH god I finally got what you two are getting at.

Good lord Elli you should better no better it's pretty clear before the end of that day that what you thought was happening most assuredly wasn't happening.

[SpyreX]

I'd hate to start a lovers quarrel but Elli TOLD me to go figure it out.

DGB I swear to everything

[SpyreX]

Look, NEEDLESS to say (and we both know it) I know the absolute pure raw power of the votecount analysis. It was the start of the e-mafia-crush.

HOWEVER, give me this. Anti lines up on the VC AND has the behavioral pattern that needs to be the deadfoot.

Give me this. Let us go to victory.

[SpyreX]

*grumble*

Fineeeee I'll start building a case to get you to go the other way. Hmmmppphhh

[SpyreX]

I had a POST with lots of words and it went away

Real simple:

D1 - no real votes anywhere. None.
D2 - On dana until the wind starts blowing the other way. Then the jump to raz.
D3 - One post. Saying dana is scum (citing Raz's post of all things).
D4 - Wellllll

Versus:

D1 - Early vote on Raz. This vote STAYS while discussing other options (Black Mist, Dana).
D2 - Out of the gate for Raz or BM. The jump on Dana is bad, real bad.
D3 - Out of the gate with vote for Dana.
D4 - Wellllll

....

So, yea, they can both die.

[SpyreX]

As long as it ends up being one of CES, Anti, MPR. Sure.

[SpyreX]

Kat IS, but those three higher by a margin.

[SpyreX]

ISO 51 isn't what one would get from doing what one would think there Ellibirds.

[SpyreX]

Remember the #700 votecount DGB.

It might be important later.

[SpyreX]

Yea, it is.

I'm not sure what the hell happened but I would like something to happen.

I'll admit my teeth grind enough that if I had a bullet I'd put it between Kat's eyes for this coy DONT INTERRUPT US YOUNG LOVERS business.

[SpyreX]

SPYREX

This is serious business between Elli and I. Your speculation isn't appreciated.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hells no.

Just me and Kats refers to your posts not to just you two doing whatever it is you're doing.

[SpyreX]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2584492

[SpyreX]

He's the top, MPR is the bottom.

But if I need to detail between said lines:

D1 - no real votes anywhere. None.
--- This is absolutely scummy. No votes is a sign of reactivity AND staying away from the major happenings.
D2 - On dana until the wind starts blowing the other way. Then the jump to raz.
--- The bus-jump makes sense once it becomes clear that the overall consensus is going to go that way "for cred"
D3 - One post. Saying dana is scum (citing Raz's post of all things).
--- Citing Raz's post as a reason to lynch Dana and then not posting the rest of the day? Yea. Seriously, yea.

[SpyreX]

GET ON IT.

I also want an actual response to the "Stay out of our business SpyreX teeheee"

[SpyreX]

PPSSSSTTT

Check Anti's ISO.

[SpyreX]

Sorry, not ISO. Check Anti's activity on site. My bad.

[SpyreX]

That can -probably- happen.

HOWEVER, also on the ballot for happening real soon is Elli and Kat cleaning up their lover's tryst and Kat coming clean.

Additionally, Genma-chan you do anything cool and or useful before we powerstomp?

[SpyreX]

GOD IN HEAVEN YOU WILL ACQUIESCE OR BE DEALT WITH

[SpyreX]

Thats actually why I'm more than a little irritated with the tracker not claiming - targets targeting people who didn't die ACTUALLY have far more chance to be scum than not in this setup.

But, whatevs. I want the Kat business dealt with and cleaned out ON BOTH SIDES and then we can move forward.

[SpyreX]

One more day. One more.

If you dont want to play ball we'll play rope instead.

[SpyreX]

OOORRR, like it says in the opening post:

Each night, you may talk with your partners. You may collectively choose a single Hypnotist to hypnotize a single player who is not a part of your group. You will direct that player to kill a player other than himself or herself (unless you happen to target a particularly weak-willed individual).

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That the kill-hypnosis has nothing to do with the quotes at all ever and the fact this was a night start should make that pretty clear.

[SpyreX]

I received a message last night from a reliable source that CES wasn't hypnotized.

That means he could be scum and that's why I want him dead.

Please, please god don't start this I can't deal with more coy in here I may cry.

[SpyreX]

OHH GOD DONT YOU START QUOTING TOO

I FORGOT TOO JESUS

Was this information from a dude, the mod, part of whatever voodoo you've got going on, random occurrence?

And, if CES wasn't hypnotized why is that jump to scum?

(Keep in mind I'm down with CES BUT I want this and other things cleared up)

[SpyreX]

WELL IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THIS UP:

Elli obviously thought the dana-lynch was on the back of a Kat-cop investigation.

I'm not sure what Kat's playing at by not even bringing up that much of it.

I was hoping there was something town or useful there to explain why the pair of them did nothing AND that whole stay out of our business side of the dance.

But, NO, of course not.

I'll be throwing down soon

[SpyreX]

It may be massclaim time, real, real soon after that gem.

Mayhaps. I need to think on it after catching up on some other madness.

[SpyreX]

I'm gonna need far more about what you're goal is Tasky with that game because I'm not seeing it.

However, the reason why I was commenting on a massclaim is something isn't adding up and instead of beating against the wall one after another its nice to just get it all out there and send it home.

[SpyreX]

See, 1 I'm behind.

2 I'm not sure about - it seems like one of those things (because I'll sure tell you I'm not thinking that way and if my list makes an AHA and turns sweet candy into poo I'd be unhappy).

[SpyreX]

I'm not playing the "look into who they're suspecting" kinda game so that kind of list is more white noise and turns into stupid stuff like "What do you MEAN you think I think X is scum: vote"

Kat, elucidate.

[SpyreX]

Sorry I keep blaming YOU because when she went "GET OFF MA BUSINESS" you didn't go "WHAT THE HELL"

P.S. we're not deadline lynching.

[SpyreX]

I want Kat to explain how Gan's role means DGB's can't exist.

Because I'm not seeing how "I know if I'm hypnotized" means "I can tell if SOMEONE was hypnotized" can't be in the game.

MIND YOU, I think we've got a lying PR but no massclaim today sooo

[SpyreX]

I still want Kat in here but:

I totally am voting for you and I'm

about as active as most people currently

. Nice try though.

:explode:

[SpyreX]

Wait, so spy thinks DGB is lying about her role, yet wants me to explain how DGB's role can't exist?

I guess I'll play along, but not after I know what's going on first.

@DGB: So what exactly is your role? Mind clarifying it for me?

What?

Seriously, what?

[SpyreX]

Stupid rule.

But, again,

WHAT?

Where have I said "Ohh DGB is lying".

Where have I even pretended to say that?

[SpyreX]

Definitely no.

Still waiting on what YOU thought you were doing with Elli AND how DGB can't exist as a function of gandalf.

My patience wears thin.

[SpyreX]

God god god god GOD

I dont like this.

I don't think DGB is scum. Not after rereading over and over and over again.

I REALLY am having issues with how this setup balances against itself without scum in the PR's thus claimed though. A MASSCLAIM SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE, NO.

Unvote, Vote: CES

[SpyreX]

I'm up in the air. Even my read on DGB goes back and forth with the Anti-counterpush yesterday.

I could lynch Kat. Believe you me AND I'll be around for at least a few hours.

However, this bidness is fff

[SpyreX]

Ohh taskers WHAT about that seems town.

[SpyreX]

Fair enough.

You're good people.

EVEN IF YOU QUOTED OHH NOES

Maybe I'm having issues pulling it together on DGB. What's your thoughts on the whole dealio?

[SpyreX]

You're gonna actually ask him what my dealio is with you after not even pretending to answer it?

And you still haven't explained how those roles can't exist together

Unvote, Vote: Kat

There, now if DGB is going up its gonna be on the back of something.

[SpyreX]

Back.

Massclaim needs to happen today. Right now, funk soul brothers.

[SpyreX]

Nothin like late night posts.

VT

[SpyreX]

Jesus DGB keep on keeping on.

I'm a Magician. Vanilla style.

[SpyreX]

Who's left? Lets get this compiled and move onto the important part.

I wish the power flash didn't eat my ragepost last night at Kat for not claiming until screwed oclock btw.

Because, 100% guaranteed, one of the PR's is lying now for sure.

[SpyreX]

You mean the one I mentioned yesterday as not making sense WITHOUT chucklehead mcgee opting to not say anything before she took los ropos?

The one that would have taken it from possibility to definitely true?

That one?

[SpyreX]

I can see scum leading a lynch on a weak buddy after a few days of not taking losses. There comes a point, after a few townie lynches, that your credibility is shot unless you deliver scum.

Ohh I missed this gem.

My credibility after a few townie lynches?

On the day I replaced in?

Lets dance

Unvote, Vote: DGB

[SpyreX]

Stupid quoting I swear.

We've come to OMGUS?

Really?

And, no, you said pretty clearly in reference to ME. Unless you're saying that lurker mcgee I replaced in for was worried about 'cred'.

[SpyreX]

What?

DGB went "Ohh yea SpyreX bussed for cred"

On the day I replaced in.

And this whole "OMGUS" bidness is f--.

And the VT scum.

Its bad news bears and one of Toog and DGB is definitely lying about their role and I sure don't think its the panders.

And Unvote,Vote is an old habit from games where you have to unvote f---

[SpyreX]

Like I said, force of habit with the voting.

The 'cred' would make sense except for the fact that a cohesive unit would have bussed ME into the ground, not the other way around.

I've liked panda since before the claim and that hasn't changed.

OMGUS implies no reasons (and, hence, is one of the most overused and overvalued buzzwords that I hate) and if you honestly think there is no reasons at all for this vote nor had I alluded to it earlier welp.

[SpyreX]

[SpyreX]

Elli can dangle, but not now:

* 3.) SpyreX (rep. Black Mist)
* 6.) Ellibereth
* 9.) GhostWriter

* 14.) DrippingGoofball (rep. Seraphim)

* 15.) Toogeloo

* 16.) Cogito Ergo Sum (vezokpiraka)
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* 11.) MagnaofIllusion, Martyr Magician, killed N0

* 8.) gandalf5166, The Great Zandolfini, lynched D1

* 7.) Fate, Magician Watcher, killed N1

* 13.) Razgriz, The Master, Hypnotist, lynched D2
* 5.) danakillsu, Magician, lynched D3
* 4.) Budja (rep. Rockerboo (rep.Budja (rep. Cuttlefish))), Magician, killed N3
* 2.) Antihero, Sosuke Aizen, Hypnotist, lynched D4

* 12.) MehPlusRawr, Magician Tracker, killed N4

* 10.) Katsuki, Magician Roleblocker, lynched D5

* 1.) Tasky (rep. animorpherv1), Magician, killed N5

Thats too many. There's too much overlap and I would have done this yesterday if Kat had actually freakin claimed.

[SpyreX]

Pannddaaa

Do you agree/disagree with the number of claimed/flipped PR's making a liar be there?

[SpyreX]

Probably because, like I said, there's a PR-scum for sure and I'm not about to go down without a blade.

I'm not a buyer on DGB/Elli while I read the articles. In fact, paranoia says DGB/CES buttt

[SpyreX]

So, DGB, you are now 100% saying that all the PR's are telling the truth.

Just want that to be known.

[SpyreX]

I'm not at home so you get the abridged version now and the replying to quotes later.

"SpyreX changed his mind about the PR's"

No. Look closer, I was bothered by it yesterday. If Kat had, ya know, claimed with enough time to assess that might have went differently which leads to:

"SpyreX spearheaded that lynch"

Yes, because the flip doesn't change the fact from the pieces known "Self-hypnotize knower" didn't mean "Test if hypnotized" couldn't exist. That was garbage then and still is.

IF when this game is done I see either a N2 action OR a block on DGB from Kat I will explode.

That said,

A nolynch today is going to be guaranteed one of Ghost / CES dead.

Keep that in mind.

@Toog:

DGB/CES is paranoia. It doesn't make sense considering today AND it doesn't make sense with the VC's but I can't shake it.

[SpyreX]

^^^^

This is one thing we can agree on.

You've no idea how tempting it is to just hammer here and end this.

[SpyreX]

Noticed? Sure.

Forgot when I posted that? Yep.

Excellent contribution would subscribe to your letter.

[SpyreX]

It would have been a hammer made from raw hate.

Nothing has changed and maybe, MAYBE, the light will be seen.

[SpyreX]

You KNOW I wont let it go to no-lynch.

[SpyreX]

I absolutely don't get the idea that this setup is balanced with this many PR's and knowing tonight is going to be one of the two 'confirmed' killed well.

[SpyreX]

:headdesk:

I wash my hands of you all.

I'll throw this hammer at some point in the near future.

[SpyreX]

Actually, you know what?

It doesn't matter. If I'm right about this being junk we lose. If I'm wrong we lose tomorrow on my lynch.

GREYSKULL

Unvote, Vote: Elli

[SpyreX]

10.) If you notice there has been a lynch, stop posting.

[SpyreX]

Actually, you know what?

It doesn't matter. If I'm right about this being junk we lose. If I'm wrong we lose tomorrow on my lynch.

WOOO

and I can't believe you'd go "Ohh, the PR is alive and the 'cleared' is dead lets move on".

But, I'm not putting up the power fight. Lets just say I am absolutely certain its one of you two PR's AND the play parse (note, we still haven't found the scum in CES, Kat, DGB) is there.

So, you wanna do this now?

Lets dance.

Unvote, Vote: DGB

[SpyreX]

So many things to be angry with here.

Kat not claiming until the doom rained down.
Kat going Toog is town yo (although this isn't as irritating as the previous).
DGB going crazy on me AND abandoning her VCA to vote me. Grrr
YOU BUNCH OF MALCONTENTS LYNCHING ME BEFORE I COULD EVEN TALK.
CES not looking at how weird Toog's lynch on me over rationalization.

And, of course:

NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE POWER SETUP DIDNT LINE UP.
GOD.

Say what you want Toog about how being goons made it soo stacked against you if you jerks had flipped goons instead of crazy roles there would have been a bloodbath.

[SpyreX]

Toog you played a great game. The warning light, and really the only big one, was when you hammered me - that was way too much over justification.

And the simple fact you'd been pro-me up until right then should have been a warning too.

[SpyreX]

Foiled through incompetence.

Huzzah

[SpyreX]

Beyond that, I wasn't too worried about the rest of the play list because they had little experience with my style of play. I'm frankly surprised I didn't get the "he's too town," routine I always seem guilty of regardless of alignment. This is probably the first game that it hasn't come up.

If that had came up you'd have had an even more impressive win because I would have been a rabid wolf.

GOD I wish we had lynched one of you two on the important day.