good wagon
wut?vezokpiraka wrote:unvote
Vi's wagon is falling apart.
why, exactly, are you unvoting?
Basically.@M_O, is your reason for finding Rhinox scummy basically the same as Gamma?
So, to further my understanding, if Fate rarely tunnels on scum, why do you believe the chances he will be nked were sufficiently high as to include it in the initial list of possible fates for Fate? IIRC, your reasoning for asserting Fate would probably be nked was that he tends to tunnel on scum, however, you are now asserting that he only rarely does so? Or am I to understand Fate get's lucky/is not stupid fairly often, and his, as you claim, "being stupid" in this case, is the rare event?VasudeVa wrote:Well, I'm guessing you've never played with Fate before! This guy is nigh unreadable. I hope he fucking gets vigged ASAP. He does the same shit as Town and scum AND gets away with it because of his extremely annoying personality.magnus wrote:@VV: As I understand, you are effectively stating you intend not to make an attempt, or serious attempt, to read into fate's alignment during the course of this game, for whatever reasons, or as a consequence of whatever. Mainly this is an understanding brought on by considering the implications of your deference to power roles and the scum nk in regards to fate.
In addition, upon this being pointed out you made comments to the effect that fate is "unreadable", and that he should be vigged because his actions will either be a serious detriment to the town due to his tendency to gambit (implying you think fate is town) or nked because he tends to tunnel on scum, which is really useful to the town (implying you think fate is town). If you interpret your first "detriment to the town" as implying either town or scum, it still leaves the question of why vigging him would be good play given that he tends to tunnel on scum and hasn't attempted, at least, hasn't appeared to attempt a gambit which will be a serious detriment to the town. In addition, this would appear to be advocating scum night kill a player whom is potentially very useful to the town.
So we have you
1. Directing the vig, solely based on policy of what could come
2. Advocating the night kill of a player, noting that he has a tendency to tunnel on scum
While not necessarily scum-motivated, such actions tend to be avoided from a town view-point.
1.) If directing the vig to do the awesome thing by killing the 'possibly anti-Town unreadable player who gets away with the shit he does' is wrong, then hell lynch me for all I care. I will soo fucking laugh when I flip Town you all rip Fate a new asshole. (And then maybe proceed to lynching AGM/Spy + Fate vig or something.). Like or not, I see this as optimal play. Is it wrong to be opinionated on how to deal with certain players?
2.) Fate only ever Tunnels on scum when: a)He gets lucky and/or b) He's not being stupid. He's clearly being stupid now. I mean, LOOK AT THE FUCKING CASE ON ME. It is soo fucking ridiculous I DONT EVEN. He's twisting my statements like they are scumtellswhen they are not. I have argued that my actions are NOT scumtells and he procceds to twist it even more. I'm surprised people are actually buying that shit.
This is a serious question. I'm confused about your rationale for what you did here.magnus_orion wrote:vote: rhinox
good wagon
wut?vezokpiraka wrote:unvote
Vi's wagon is falling apart.
why, exactly, are you unvoting?
Sorry you feel that way. Everything I want to say is being said.In the meantime, magnus_orion can protest/waffle less and do something meaningful with his life.
This is, like, a perfect summary of my position on this game.I would recommend a megalynch on Rhinox like rite nao but the power of the b&wagon is kind of compelling. I'm not superhyped that VasudeVasudeVasudeVasudeVasudeVaVasudeVa will flip scum but the chance of him leaving the game via means other than lynch is fairly minimal; and between the Vanilla claim, the unhelpful scumhunting, and the fact that a majority already wants him dead anyway I can't work myself up to being opposed to this lynch.
Or maybe I think Rhinox has got a better shot at being scum than VV and would prefer rhinox start posting to verify or nullify my suspicions.AlmasterGM wrote:Also also, I don't like mangus stalling the lynch - stalling usually leads to wagon shifts. If VV flips scum magnus is probably a buddy.
sorry.Fate wrote:Well its a fucking stupid analogy. If your POINT was "if VV were to come in, start posting gold and not trash, would that not affect your read on him? That is my stance on Rhinox" THEN FUCKING SAY THAT>magnus_orion wrote:to explain that additional information can be a valuable asset is re-evaluating one's reads. Via example.
GAWD.
AGM BACK ON THE VV WAGON. I WANT HIM DAED DEAD LETS NOT GET SIDE TRACKED.
I never said its a mislynch.Fate wrote:It is FENCE sitting because you've said in basically these words:magnus_orion wrote:9_9 Just because I haven't demonstrated what's wrong with it doesn't mean it doesn't have problems nor that I can't be aware of those problems and act accordingly. Your arguments are illogical
Preview edit: My current stance is that I would prefer rhinox lynched because he's committed more scumtells per content. Hence the vote.
I have a stance. But I can do one better and verify that stance with additional information. Which I find, on the whole, better than not. Explain to me how my current stance is fence-sitting.
"Rhinox is scummier than VV atm, but if Rhinox posts maybe he will be townier than VV or scummier, I cannot say."
"VV is scummy and I want his mislynch to go through, as I at first "did not want to defend him through the wiggle room in the case against him" but NOW its "I have no evidence that VV is just an incompetent townie.""
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Fate wrote:OK then here's the most important question:
Why aren't you VOTING VV?
magnus_orion wrote:I just find the case against rhinox MORE compelling.
and people ask why I haven't been saying anything whenvezokpiraka wrote:Magnus?
That is a horrific list of reads. You fence sit on everyone except the one that the majority agreed are scummy.
But okay, indulge me, what are your reads vezok?Everything I want to say is being said.
This is just dumb.AND IF HE WERE A TOWN SHEEP HED BE ON THE MAIN FUCKIN WAGON LETTIN IT COMPLETE.
Here Rhinox randomly decides to vote VV for the sake of avoiding a Vi wagon during the RVS despite having already made a random vote against SpyreX. This is highly disconcerting, as Rhinox should have no concern involving Vi's wagon.Rhinox wrote:unvote, vote VuVufor teh counterwagonz
Vi is way too much fun to lynch on day 1.
It becomes increasingly obvious that Rhinox didn't have any additional reasoning behind his second RVS vote, since he drops it the second there is a different case on the table.Rhinox wrote:Probably pissed at me. Left her behind while I traveled away for thanksgiving.Vi wrote:Aww Rhinox, you need to stop being scum in my games.~
Also, how's the no-longer-a-puppy?
Cuz we all know how that worked out LAST TIMEFate wrote:Rhinox for VV's scumbuddy 2010.
I like what Jahudo said.
unvote, vote vezok
While he responds to Fate's comments, he leaves open the other situations going on around him, in particular his opinion on VV is left ambiguous. While his comment could be implied as an advocation of defense of VV, it could also merely be a joke, and the fact that he leaves this ambiguous is highly unsatisfying.Rhinox wrote:<3 Fate.
you're the one who called it fake meta. I seem to remember a few people in /in 11 calling me scum with VV and DGB. If you think i would seriously use that as evidence to say I am not scum especially not with VV in this game rather than just joking around, then well maybe you don't know me as well as you think you do.
would it make it any better if I went back to voting VV? I don't really feel like being the word of reason preventing his lynch all game again
P. edit shit can't do that now it would be OMGUS
What, why?You should be lynched for this right fucking here, magnus. That's about the scummiest damn thing I've seen said in this game so far.
No. That my be an incidental consequence of what I'd prefer. But I'm not opposed to his lynch. I just support a different one more.Congrats Magnus. You may have saved VV for another day. That's what you wanted, wasn't it?
how so?There's not a whole lot else to say. Even ignoring the VV behavior a lot of mango's "views" this game are WAY more beneficial to scum.
read I believe if Rhinox posted more people would see him as scummier than VV.read, "we need longer days so Rhinox can post more and I can find more reasons to call him scummy and derail the VV lynch muahahaha."
One person with a concentration of information about them invariably increases the amount you read them as scum.VV just has more thread noise, which invariably leads to an increase in the amount you read someone as scum.
Cause I'm used to it. A lot of my views on the site go against the acceptable ones. I usually get attacked a lot as town. I tend to avoid this sort of thing as scum though /wifomm_o - You're actually very calm right now, in spite of being quadrupleflamed. Why?
m_o: Might I suggest a different playstyle in the future?
I don't think making scum associations without flips is a good idea at all.
I'm talking about most individuals generally. This isn't specific to VV or rhinox. This can apply to any individual. If the information concerning that individual is disproportionately greater to the amount of information concerning most people, the probability that individual will appear scummy to people goes up.AlmasterGM wrote:o rly magnus? you were ONLY talking about VV/Rhinox?
if you were referring to a specific person, then why do you say "someone" instead of him?which invariably leads to an increase in the amount you read someone as scum.
sounds like a pretty general concept to me. more posts = more stuff to attack doesn't JUST apply to VV/Rhinox.more info = more things to call scummy.
is what I mean.
Bolded mine, MOST PEOPLE. Not just VV and Rhinox.Most peoplecommit things that could be interpreted as scumtells frequently. If I had been lurking instead of mentioning my preference for long day 1s, you'd have nothing to call me a buddy for. I'm town, doesn't mean I don't say things that can't be interpreted as scummy.
I don't agree, but that's because I just got a town read on UK for other reasons. TBH I'm less concerned with what your case means for UK and more concerned with what it means for you. But I should REALLY be working on homework right now, so... that'll have to wait til I have more time.alright, so... does that mean you don't agree with UK being scummy then? what do you think about the points I brought up?
O_OSpyreX wrote:M_o actually reads like that guy who tries to say "I really like you" but actually blurts out the summoning ritual for Cthulhu and then pees his pants and runs away.
I haven't been ranking my reads in this game. Except I think I said Rhinox was number 1 scum read at one point. Other than that, no they haven't been. But that's basically the idea I've been trying to get across, what with the whole preference business.@M_O: Was your VV read ever ranked?
How, exactly, do you think I'm trying to fade into the background?Fate wrote:Oh that's so fucking rich. Right up until the 11th hour VV REFUSED to comment on his Rhinoxerousness
Even in his final player list.
So yeah VV, here I am saying I'M NOT SORRY FOR THAT LYNCH.
MAGNUS LAME VOTE ON RHINOX + HIS POST DJOUR OF: Herp rhinoz flipped scum and all I want for christmas is dtm and vezok to post content so I can fade into the background leads me to:
Why the hell is he town SpyreX?
Ok, what cause do you have for believing vezok town?Fate wrote:Meh I think vezok is town, but well go through the motions and get a claim cause of said townvig.
Its town lists time also now so the vig has more reads, and of course I elect princess ellie to go first
That is, if you are ignoring the actual case of what happened: I believed (realized) rhinox was a better candidate for scum than VV was.Fate wrote:SHORT ABND LLONG… THERE WAS NO REASON FOR MO TO PARK HIS VOTE OJ RHINOX WITH TEHEE FENCE SITTING UNLESS HIS SCUM PALZ WERE ALREADY PN THE VV MISLYNCH.