This is a LOT of pages. e_e QFT.EGL wrote:I'd still like to know what kmd saw on page 3 for a scum read on Twomz and Nacho.
gives me gut-scum vibes. I see raider is on the right side of this lynch, but for the wrong reason.Be back later with a better vote/reason
Disagree.KMD wrote:Richard's posts about Millar are scummy.
Agree. Huzzah!KMD wrote:Raider might be scum.
1,) It's a pokemon.esuriospiritus, tell me more about your avatar. Also, how can you not be up to date?
I am reading in order for a reason, so if the case wasn't made day one or after I replaced in, then no. (Hey, that means I only have 29 pages left if you count the pages that happened after I replaced in. Whoo hoo!)@euso, did you read any of the cases on any of the players?
At this point in day one, the lynch could have been anyone. Three of these people are dead and flipped town, which means:vote count, a few RL days before the end of day 1 wrote:raider8169 (5)
CSL (5)
RichardGHP (5)
Shattered Viewpoint (4)
Now, again, I'm not fully caught up still, but to me it still seems more likely that raider/Plum is scum than Ythan/SSBF/ani are scum. I still advocate a Raider-slot lynch barring fantabulous play from Plum when I get caught up to whatever point she replaces in at. If raider-slot is town, out of those three people I'd be most suspicious of Ani for his late placement on the SV wagon (followed by SSBF, for having major text walls pushing the SV wagon). Out of the more general list of people who were lurking near the end of Day 1, Nachomamma is naturally the most suspicious for not posting AT ALL during that time and not having the excuse of a pending replacement.Shattered Viewpoint (12) -Ythan,EGL,Magua,Super Smash Bros. Fan, Amished, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon,towmz,animorpherv1, pittbunny,millar13
I don't see the relevance. If scum was aware that there was no risk of one of them getting lynched, wouldn't at least some of them see fit to sit back and lurk to the end of the day, regardless of whether or not they have daytalk? I would bet my avatar (since that seems to be the popular thing to do) on there being two scum in the more general list, maybe even three, if Plum is town. I'd bet the same regarding the SV wagon, regardless of Plum's alignment. In that case, it makes sense to cross-reference the two and see where the lists intersect, no?I do't think that amount of posts is going to be a good indicator, consider in last Last Will Game, scum didn't have daytalk.
You're refuting the semantics of one sentence rather than the post in general?Furthermore, my attack on Shattered Viewpoint when I was voting him were not "major wall of texts". Were they decently-sized, yes, but not major wall of texts.
What do you think about the rest of what I posted? @SSBF, is there a reason you've pressured Plum to be fully caught up but haven't said anything to me about takingAlso Plum, you should have been caught up by now. You admitted to be struggling a lot, which looks like you haven't caught up yet. If you haven't caught up, did you attempt to catch up during the Night? If not, why not?
I don't think theory #2 necessarily has to mean there were not scum on the SV wagon. Any group of -- what was the consensus? 5-8 people? -- is probably going to have diverse enough meta types that at least one scum is guaranteed to be on the wagon either way, imo. The list of non-posters is much more conditional on one of the theories being true (#2, in which scum were sitting back and laughing) than the list of people on the SV wagon. I will agree with you that the latter should get aRhinox wrote:Esurio already did the work, but interpretted it incorrectly IMO. If the SV wagon was scum driven, it supports theory #1 above. If theory #2 is assumed, then there is no reason to believe the SV wagon was scum driven.
This sentence rubs me the wrong way. I can't really put my finger on why, exactly, other than it seems like he's too preoccupied with what other people think of him. I may be reading a Charlie iso soon.Charlie wrote:However you don't really have to worry about getting any flak from me because you're a semi-sheeped suspect and I know that sheeping all the time isn't a good thing.
Do I see a scumslip? I think I do.Amished wrote:The only reason I suspected that you were just a VI there instead ofmy opposing scum factionwas because I thought I had the other ones pegged.
Plum wrote:Again, it really doesn't indicate anything unless there are two scum factions
?Amished wrote:myopposing scum faction
Why me? (You...Xite91 wrote:But Eh, choice is up to you
) Amished wrote:And your point? The only reason I suspected that you were just a VICharlie wrote:Make content, make content, make content. Is that all you want from me? I'm not the best content-maker; this I know and accept. Many times I've been told that I've put my foot in my mouth and many times I've gotten lynched (as either alignment, really). Can't you just accept that I fair better when I'm at the sidelines, saying stuff? For the record, Amished, I'm doing the exact same thing here as I did inAmished wrote:@Charlie: Voting for somebody you don't suspect? How is that useful? Make content or die, bickering with Ythan giving him a chance to continue being "active" without saying anything is less than productive.L4D Mafia. You of all people should understand this, but nope. Your unyielding attitude is not impressive, IMHO.thereinstead of my opposing scum faction was because I thought I had the other ones pegged. One game does not a meta make and content is how I get reads on people. If you'd pay attention you'd know I could probably rattle off 5-6 people that would not mind lynching you for your *non* participation. "I don't want to get lynched" definitely does not help your case and I'm considering switching over to you even with obv-scum SSBF over here.
This is exactly why I'd be voting ani over ythan, despite both of their plays being decidedly unhelpful for the most part.Nacho wrote:There are FAR better things that scum could do with the one-shot than using it in a protown manner...
I third that sentiment, but I don't really see it as incriminating, either. Not reading closely isn't a scumtell, at least not under most circumstances. I can tell you, if I thought my lynch was inevitable in a game and I knew my claim wouldn't save me (ie a VT role), I probably wouldn't be reading that thread very carefully, either.Xite91 wrote:Considering how many posts there were about it, I agreeYthan wrote:Looking at some of Fan's points, particularly the one about Ed's "slip", makes me think he isn't reading very closely. I made the mistake at first, but now that we've all gone over the mistake I think it's pretty obvious.
holycon wrote:there are constantly 4 people at the top of every townie lynch
you [locke]
bat
rhinox
yathan
doesn't that stick anyone else as weird
I was, but then I unvoted her/voted other people and didn't see the point, and by the time my vote was back on her I'd forgotten I'd even said I was going to do this. XD I was planning on doing a PBPA mostly to convince other people, but to be frank if I can convince people without doing the extra work... I'm lazy and don't see the point in going to the extra trouble.@esurio: Were you going to get to this sometime? I don’t know if you have any specific tells on Plum or if its all about raider.
Goodposting is good.Jahudo wrote:Batt revising a line from his post doesn't mean anything to me. The line was already there in the first post, so its not like he was trying to hide something that he thought would make him look bad. And I've seen those "That's because you are scum!" lines all the time. Means nothing. Plum and KMD are overreacting.
Hug in a box for you if you want it.
Esurio (post 2378), you're going to have to explain those reads because I disagree with most.
Fishy - KMD brings up a good point about Fishy not being confirmed town just 'cause of the inventor item, but Occam's Razor dictates he's probably telling the truth and I still am not willing to lynch him today. Plus he's one of those people I get a vibe about that he'd be pretty transparent if he were scum. I've never played with him before so I could be totally off but there are some people I've played with who I consider really easy to read and he reads like they do to me. Also, see Charlie read.Fishy is town, Jahudo is town, Battousai is probtown, Rhinox is probtown. Plum is scum, and Charlie and Ythan are probscum, I'm willing to trust KMD about Holy if he's town but ignoring his mysterious town tell on her she's pretty scummy, and I'm on the fence about everyone else.
Ythan - lurking galore and a relative lack of scumhunting, especially earlier on. Plus Chronopie handed off two votes to him, which doesn't help. Also, he pops up twice in my scumbrackets from earlier (I should probably update those. Hmm...)esurio iso 28 wrote:Charlie has risen significantly on my scumlist -- his play all day has basically been "guise, lynch fish!" and I see scum motivation in his push for others to vote fish before he'd even had a chance to catch up and say anything that might redeem the slot. I am fairly certain that one of Charlie/Fish is scum (both highly unlikely) -- if fish is town Charlie had significant scum motivation to try to push a mislynch through before the replacement could do anything to make the slot a harder mislynch (like, say, actually post useful shit). If Fish is scum then I somehow doubt Charlie would be continuing to bus his buddy today knowing, again, the slot has a chance of redeeming itself with the replacement and all. Them both being town together, while admittedly more of a possibility than them both being scum together, makes much less cohesive sense to me than the situations of Charlie being scum, which is what I'm currently betting on.
You're right. That should be:Ythan wrote:Esurio, two things. One, explain how I'm lurking. Two, explain how you're not full of IoA. If you're trying to make a point then make it instead of waiting for someone else to based on your post so you don't stand out.
I guess I didn't editactivelurking galore and a relative lack of scumhunting
o_O How about you explain how ITwo, explain how you're not full of IoA.
I wasn't, I was just answering KMD's question about my reads.If you're trying to make a point then make it
Could you elaborate on this? I've read this sentence like ten times and Iinstead of waiting for someone else to based on your post so you don't stand out.
Well, that's not much of a choice. Do I get a third option?You're just lying/dumb.
Are you asking Ythan what he thinks about Batt, or asking me what I think about Batt and Ythan? Your wording was a little ambiguous.What do you think about Batt, Ythan?
This pretty much nails why I am not unvoting Charlie.I'm more receptive to having my mind changed now that's Charlie's claimed; I doubt that there's another protective role after a CPR Doc claim only counterclaimed by scum, a one-shot doctor protect, and a bodyguard flip.
Kunkstar replaced in like 5 weeks after me -- not 'around the same time' by any stretch of the imagination. I also wouldn't exactly say he came into the game strong, nor do I think it's fair to say I immediately started lurking after replacing in. (Kunkstar, on the other hand, has a grand total of 9 posts since replacing in at the end of September, and one of those is nothing but a V/LA notification post.) I think you're trying to magick a connection where there isn't one, but considering having to check your facts for you gave me the motivation I needed to actually re-read someone... maybe that was a good thing overall.kunkstar/esurio - These are both replacements that came in the game strong, then immediately began lurking to victory. They both replaced in around the same time, and they've been voting together for the entire time since Amished was replaced.
Funny, I thought he was genuine. This comment says more about your desperation to get Batt lynched than it does about him, I think.If there was only one scum, I'd agree with your fancy "OMG CAPS LOOK AT ME I MUST BE TOWN CUZ I CARE THIIIIIISSSSS MUCH".
I really didn't think it did, but ok.Rhinox wrote:ESURIO!
This needs a response.Rhinox wrote:so.... how is a body guard a protective role and this isn't?esurio wrote:PEDIT: A lightning rod ability would just get him killed, so it's less of a protective role and more of a redirection. Mafia would still get to probably kill someone and end up one step closer to winning.
I think thats a slip.
I borrowed someone else's words without bothering to clarify my own specific opinion. Had I cared enough at the time to rehash in my own words what Nacho had said, maybe I would have pointed out that bodyguards don't really 'protect' in the same sense a doctor or commuter does. Maybe. Although it really wouldn't have changed anything. Even if you ignore the "bodyguard" portion, you have to admit the CPR Doc fakeclaim and one-shot doctor protect is more than enough protection to be wary of a commuter claim especially in a game that doesn't seem to be particularly heavy on the power roles.esuriospiritus wrote:Ugh. Full-scale mafia apathy. Very very tempted to replace out, but I wouldn't wish 107 pages of reading on my worst enemy, soooo.... yeah.
ThisI'm more receptive to having my mind changed now that's Charlie's claimed; I doubt that there's another protective role after a CPR Doc claim only counterclaimed by scum, a one-shot doctor protect, and a bodyguard flip.pretty muchnails why I am not unvoting Charlie.
Why?Nachomamma8 wrote:I would rather hold a Batt lynch until we see a Ythan flip.
Now, I don't care whether you think Batt is scum or not, you have to admit the man has a point.The fact that kunk did not use his ability on holy, who he was "trying to get lynched" seems to me to say that Kunk is scum.
It's interesting that all these people are still alive, but I still wouldn't lynch Batt or Rhinox without a damn convincing case. (Also, Rhinox and Locke can't be scum together, because they would have won already if they were.)If Smash Bras is town, Rhinox, Batt, and Locke are the most likely scum.
Hmm, I don't know, maybe I haven't explained because I couldn't be bothered to glance at the thread yet!Nachomamma8 wrote:Es, you still haven't explained why you piggybacked off Batt's terrible reasoning.
Locke is town. You should know this. After kunk DK'd kmd, locke had 11 votes. Plus kunk, 12 votes. Meaning that he would've only needed one more member to win. In other words, if you believe that he is scum, you only think that there's one scum member left. Meaning that you should be putting a bit more effort in your Locke read.
Simple process of elimination. Pretty much everyone else reads as townier than you to me, aside from the detail that you would have won already if you were scum.As far as I remember, you never upgraded me past null, so I'll ask again: why open today saying I'm one of the two scummiest? What gave you that read?
esuriospiritus wrote:Nope. Not trying to excuse my behaviour, just explain it. Big difference. 'Excuse' connotes being apologetic/having done something wrong, and I am offering no apology nor do I particularly feel that I've done anything wrong/scummy. (Blatantly and unabashedly half-assing my way through the last few game days isn't pro-anything except maybe pro-jester).
This was 110% genuine, btw. I need a nice long break from mafia for a while. e_eUgh. Full-scale mafia apathy. Very very tempted to replace out, but I wouldn't wish 107 pages of reading on my worst enemy, soooo.... yeah.
