SMBM 1: IoBC GAME OVER! CONGRATULATIONS: TOWN AND KAMIKAZE!

[muh316]

Hey guys. Just posting to confirm. I'll be reading up soon.

[muh316]

Right now I think we should be focusing on how many groups there are. This game is of 25 people and there's a pretty good chance we're going to see two different scum teams. I wouldn't be surprised with 3 deaths tonight.

Just one question: In your previous games were you most of the time scum or town? Its just a question to help me meta with some of the more suspicious players.

[muh316]

Whats the deal with this policy lynch thing so early in the game. I'd really hate it and would attempt to burn you if it is serious.
Most of the things I've read seem to be just jokes so I'm not sure what to believe right now. Its a good thing everyone is IC status which keeps the game away from lurkers.

Lord Bowser, what are your opinions on my avatar :trollface:

[muh316]

I don't like policy lynches in general because it's usually an idiot town. Instead of policy lynching so early where we can barely get enough info we should wait and look for scum. Also this policy lynch is based on what, previous experience? I really don't support this idea unless we get proof from THIS game.

[muh316]

I am serious about a policy lynch on GIS. Everyone knows Shotty reputation. I've played with GIS before, and to me it seems that anything scummy done by the heads, Gandalf will blame on Shotty and call it a null tell.

I'll just go ahead and vote you for this statement just to show that I really do NOT like this idea.

Set fire to: Bunnylover

[muh316]

Just one question: Who's shotty and Hydra?

[muh316]

Right now I'll jump on the largest bandwagon. I would really like an early lynch to see the mechanics of this game and how it works. This is a bastard mod so there is going to be some unfairness and I want to see if he's for the town or against the town. I feel like we can get way more info on day 2 than what we can get on day 1.

unvote vote CHK

[muh316]

It may seem like a scummy thing for me to say and I am aware of that, but an early lynch is bound to get us way more info than blind discussion on day 1. I wouldn't say this in a smaller game such as a newbie or mini but in this game I believe its safe to say right now because of the large amount of players we have right now. I want you guys to think about it. I didn't vote the policy lynch because its not a bandwagon.

[muh316]

It may seem like a scummy thing for me to say and I am aware of that, but an early lynch is bound to get us way more info than blind discussion on day 1. I wouldn't say this in a smaller game such as a newbie or mini but in this game I believe its safe to say right now because of the large amount of players we have right now. I want you guys to think about it. I didn't vote the policy lynch because its not a bandwagon.

So tell me why we shouldn't make the early lynch on you.

Start a bandwagon, lets see how it goes.

[muh316]

Admit it, you'd love to see a flip right now to know more about this game. I know I would. But I know people would jump on me and call me scum if I suggested we rush-lynch someone. I also know it isn't the most pro-town thing to do, and would be just a selfish push to please my curiosity. I don't think it's really a scum-tell on muh316.

He's not a newbie, or even close. He's been here for over a year.

unvote
VOTE: muh13

I'm glad to get on to this wagon, especially if that really was a dayvig back there.

What's this dayvig you are talking about?

[muh316]

I still don't see it
<_____<

[muh316]

on second thought, let's see where this gets us

Launch at:chk

This post... the one halfway down the previous page... the one that was commented on by a few people, the one that was nigh on impossible to miss because of it coming immediately after his vote.

I see, I just thought it was another way of voting because this is the first time I've seen a dayvig in public (usually they're done with PMs). We'll just have to wait for the next invasion log

All hail LORD BOWSER

[muh316]

-Muh's demend of an early lynch is scummy. It looks like he's scum who wants to get more info about the setup.

Extinguish: chkflip

Set Fire To: Muh13

Now that we don't have to worry about Shotty I'm less uneasy about Gandalf. Still a little weary of the spot with all the setup speculation coming from it.

This game is bastard mod. That means there are probably no vanilla townies, so it is worthless to PR speculate at this point.

I'm thinking there is some confusion there. I'm really town who's trying to get a good look at the set up. Diddin you are the one who posted this

I propose a policy lynch of GIS.

Vote: GandalfIzSik

Zodiark probably has a post restriction but it isn't one that gets in the way or anything.

Your the one who was proposing an early lynch first. Now your calling me scummy for proposing one.
@the bolded part, just because this game is run by a bastard mod doesn't mean that he's going to be in favor of the town, this mod could be in favor of scum.

[muh316]

From the wiki it says a bastard mod may give roles that can imbalance the game.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bastard_mod

[muh316]

Muh's latest play looks like flailing under pressure, especially his "NOU!" comment to diddin. Policy lynching a hydra with Shotty in it is not the same as bandwagonning for a quick-lynch.

Extinguish: diddin

Set Fire To: Muh13

They both are still considered a quick lynch. I'm jumping onto a bandwagon on someone who is considered scummy while the others are trying to get an early policy lynch. My reasons for an early lynch are better than yours.
My comment wasn't a NOU! comment it was more of a "your a hypocrite" type of comment.

[muh316]

Hence the "irony" part of it.

But it still doesn't change that he can't come in and say we should just lynch someone to see what's going on, if they're not also willing to be the one that's lynched to show it. Otherwise it shows he's just after a quick lynch for his own benefit, rather than the town's.

I jumped onto a wagon. I didn't just blindly vote a random player. There were seven players voting for him. It would have been a different story if it was someone that nobody cared about. Right now people want CHK dead.

[muh316]

If people want him dead, they'll vote for him, 7 players out of 28 is only a quarter of those playing, and based on the lynch requirements, it's only halfway to a lynch. Ergo, people don't "want CHK dead" just yet.

But my point still remains, you are now seemingly scummy by all accounts, so why should we not lynch you for the information?

Go ahead, I'm not stopping you. As a member of the town I would love to help in any way possible and if that means dying I will. If you look at my past game I self-hammered a minute before deadline to prevent a no lynch on Day 1.

[muh316]

Muh's latest play looks like flailing under pressure, especially his "NOU!" comment to diddin. Policy lynching a hydra with Shotty in it is not the same as bandwagonning for a quick-lynch.

Extinguish: diddin

Set Fire To: Muh13

They both are still considered a quick lynch. I'm jumping onto a bandwagon on someone who is considered scummy while the others are trying to get an early policy lynch. My reasons for an early lynch are better than yours.
My comment wasn't a NOU! comment it was more of a "your a hypocrite" type of comment.

This is wrong.
Your reason where you wanted a quick lynch to see how the games mechanic worked.
I don't recall you saying anything about been scummy.

Also if I did not do this earlier :

Unvote

I can tolerate Gandalf.

@Prana: I agree with you (post number 257)

I'm a little confused, how is self hammering yourself to prevent a no lynch good if your town?

I didn't say it but it seemed pretty obvious that I was on a bandwagon where others thought Chk was scummy.

The second thing is that a no lynch is never beneficial to town. I figured that I was on the top scum list and I was gonna be killed day 2 if I stay alive day 1. To save the town some time I had to kill myself.

[muh316]

Actually muh, you said you'd just jump on the largest bandwagon, you gave no opinion as to Chk being scummy, just that you felt like hopping on it to gain information, it's only after the fact that you wish to add in that you feel Chk is scummy. You didn't believe he was being scummy (or should I say, you know he's not scum eh?) and so just hopped on hoping nobody would really question it.

The bandwagon was formed because he was scummy.

[muh316]

@muh:Yes, but did YOU agree that he as scummy?

Based on what everyone else had said, yeah I did but I don't like repeating info.

I don't like policy lynches in general because it's usually an idiot town.

Instead of policy lynching so early where we can barely get enough info we should wait and look for scum.

Also this policy lynch is based on what, previous experience? I really don't support this idea unless we get proof from THIS game.

- What changed? Before, you said a lynch at this stage was "so early", that we'd "barely get enough info" and that we should "wait". That's a far cry from your "I'm bandwagonning the scummy scum for quick info!" attitude...
- Upon reading your ISO, I've seen

zero

mention of why YOU think chk is scummy, just that "other people" find him scummy. Please offer YOUR reasons for finding him scummy.

After doing some research on this game (Last Themed Normal game I played was over a month ago) I realized that this was the best strategy. Again I don't like repeating information.

[muh316]

Edit: Last Themed Normal game I played was over a year ago

[muh316]

Sorry about the absence.

I really don't like gandalf at all. He just told his whole role to everybody ( might be lying) which don't like. If he was trying to draw an NK then that will not be possible. The statement that lies are necessary gives me a scum vibe from him. Since everyone is so against my idea and the deadline is close VOTE: Gandalf

We have a lynch on it's way. Muh is the lynch.

Not everyone agrees with you.

[muh316]

@Muh: Why must you target a guy who is away? Going for another easy lynch, eh?

Away? He never said he was V/LA

[muh316]

Muh, when did I claim my role? Essentially what I've said is that I may or may not have a power role, and may or may not be trying to draw a nightkill >.>

If you piece together all your ISOs you'll get what I mean.

[muh316]

I don't really read ISO's as much unless I'm starting a really good case.

[muh316]

Muh, when did I claim my role? Essentially what I've said is that I may or may not have a power role, and may or may not be trying to draw a nightkill >.>

If you piece together all your ISOs you'll get what I mean.

But you just stated that you were reading his ISO, so although you may have missed his V/LA before surely you noticed it upon looking at his ISO?

I didn't look it up when I said that, I remember his gameplay and was too lazy to quote each of his soft claim posts, instead I just told everyone to look at his ISO

[muh316]

Sorry, internet's been down for a few days. Catching up.

@ muh, please answer my question from earlier:

I think muh posted after 15 without supplying a response to mongoose's meta claim. I would like a response there.

Here's what I'm talking about, to be clear:

Muh's 'Come and lynch me' style of play suggests to me either;

A) His wincon is to be lynched(ie Jester),
B) He has an ability that activates on lynch,
C) Both of the above.

Either way, I'm not going to support a Muh lynch, for fear of a Jester.

How can it be both of the above? either way, this is a good point. However, I checked this up, and he did this another game, and was scum. I only checked 2 games but this could just be typical play. TBH there is nothing else that made too much of an impact. GW may be trying to save his scum buddy, or could be telling it as he sees it.

I still don't see the question <________<

I'm not claiming yet......

[muh316]

I'm not claiming yet because I want to wait. If you change your minds its going to pretty bad for the town, thats why I reccomend you wait a day before deadline.

[muh316]

@ muh -- mongoose characterized your meta. Is his characterization accurate?

@ Gollum --I think you're confusing me with someone else? I didn't think chk was faking a reading mistake, if that's what you're saying.

Actually my gameplay in this game is much better than the previous ones I have played. I was about 13 back then and I sounded like a total idiot. This might be my first game where I started providing content and get my game up. Instead of hitting the preview button before I post I just press submit.

[muh316]

Wait, what?

So you're saying you should be lynched?

I'm saying that the town can change their minds any time they want within the 4 days. If this wagon continues then I will claim on the 14th. If I do claim then thats more info to scum [who has info on about 2 players(gandalf and jimfinn)]

[muh316]

Fake claiming doesn't take much time, I've done it before but this is the truth.I'm a normal townie. I don't have any special role.

[muh316]

I'm a Pa Mole

[muh316]

don't ignore questions muh... what info about me do you believe the scum to have?

There's little info. I got the feeling that you had no role after that dayvig incident and the mod making the new rule. It means you don't have dayvig powers or any other powers. I know I'm just thinking too much into it......

[muh316]

Congrats Aurorus (Sig)

Hello, standard "I'm trying to be active" fluff.

I'm actually ok with Shotty coming in. My policy lynch call was actually semi-serious, but it was also partially a move to generate discussion. If Shotty starts being Shotty again, I will re-pursue the PL.

2 things wrong with muh's claim:

1. He claimed Vanilla in a game that, as a bastard game, I believe to be vanillaless.
2. He didn't claim a character name.

FAKECLAIM CAUGHT

Point 1, well i'm a VT too, soooo that doesn't bother me.


That was really uncalled for. You were under no pressure. I did state my character name later after I was asked for it. I am a Pa Mole.

Point 2, YES. Exactly. HE claimed no character name. IN a game where the mod stated players wouldn't be given fake-claims (I'm pretty sure he said that somehwrere), muh did not claim a name. That makes me think he is stalling or doesn't know what to claim. I agree he is probably scum now.

Extiguish: whichever scum I am currently voting for (because they are obv scum if I am voting them

TORCH: MUH

[muh316]

/facepalm

That was really uncalled for. You were under no pressure. I did state my character name later after I was asked for it. I am a Pa Mole.

[muh316]

DP looks like a jester to me with this rhyming thing thats going on but it might be fake because he started it after post 3. So

FOS DP

[muh316]

I didn't know people would ask for my name. Thats the reason I didn't say my name.

[muh316]

This is actually the first game that I had to claim with a name. I didn't know.

Everyone, there was nothing wrong with my argument. It was all blown out of proportion. Sure I wanted a quick lynch but does that mean that I'm automatically scum? I didn't know how to respond to this other than trying to explain why I did this. My top scum player is Gandalf. Prana is lurking a lot and seems to try and keep off the radar with his short comments.

[muh316]

Prana is lurking a lot and seems to try and keep off the radar with his short comments.

"Wah! Focus on the guy who called me on it, Wah!"

Because, y'know... I was "lurking" all through my V/LA wasn't I? Being as I only returned yesterday, and there's not been a great deal to comment on, and seeing your flip will help us plenty, I think we just need to hammer this thing home at this stage.

How is my flip going to help you?

[muh316]

bah!

[muh316]

Good game guys.