SitMOA II - [Endgame] The end...

[malthusis]

/confirm

[malthusis]

I think items are usually weapons, thus if you want weapons you are scum.

What's your line of thinking behind this?

[malthusis]

Vote: Cooldog

[malthusis]

I'm still stunned that you guys voted off Gandalf for no reason, and I agree that Katsuki needs to go.

Vote Katsuki

Also, I believe this answers your questions about the town reviver nicely:

Quotes from last game:

Riceballtail wrote:I was hoping the third party would end up being a Cleric, win condition being "Bring 3 town back to life".

This is... quite an interesting idea. Hmm...

[malthusis]

As much I agree with you ABR, the point is this: Katuski hammered a person for no good reason. Unless you're making a Jester argument here, why/do you think Katsuki isn't scum? We can figure out the sheeping scum and just plain sheep later.

[malthusis]

Oh shit. Vezok hammered?

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU

[malthusis]

ARE YOU ALL FUCKING STUPID.
GOD DAMNIT
YOU ALL DID THE EXACT SAME SHIT THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

Their is scum in that list. Their has to be, or this town is the most idiotic town I've seen.

QFT, although I'm worried that they could just be idiotic town....

[malthusis]

QFT, although I'm worried that they could just be idiotic town....

By the way, this is a hilarious post, considering where you are on the vote list today.

I don't think anyone expected an actual hammer that fast. Although I was L-2 vote, I didn't expect anyone to put on another vote after me.

[malthusis]

WTH just happened?

I know a townie probably had honest intentions, but I have to laugh at reversing a scum lynch

[malthusis]

I would rather lynch Kat a CONFIRMED SCUM then hope vigs do it considering I'd rather lynch a person who I know is scum then one I know who could be scum.

But getting back to the main point, it would be nice to hear from the faces who haven't shown up yet (RBT) and the ones who haven't posted anything other then fluff (Thad off the top of my head, probably a few more I can't think of).

[malthusis]

EBWOP: ABR ninja'd some of my points :X

Katsuki, considering you said this:

For what it's worth, I'm a Barbarian.

before the lynch, I'd consider anything you say about your alignment being anything other then that as total BS.

[malthusis]

@ABR: And you know this how?

FoS: ABR

Flavor suggests it. Barbarians are fighters who can take lot more hits then a frail wizard. This plus the points I said in 209, mean there is no way I'm ending the day with anyone other then Katsuki's head in the noose.

[malthusis]

Barbarian =/= Sorceror

My role PM says barbarian, not barbarian sorceror. Hence I believe deathmiller.

Stop spouting BS, scum.

The only town faction in this game is WIZARD, anyone else is scum or at least a third-party, I.E NOT TOWN.

[malthusis]

If a vig doesn't work, we can always lynch Kat tomorrow.

There's your hole in your plan. Vigs don't always work. Lynches do.

Why are you so hesitant to lynch a CONFIRMED SCUM? You even said it yourself, that he's scum, why do you want to change the lynch target?

[malthusis]

Beefster use your goddamn head for two seconds.

-Protection From Energy (Two-shot): Target player is protected from killing attemps that night.
-Repulsion (One-shot): You can't be targeted that night.
-Polymorph (One-shot): Target player can't be the target of investigative effects that night.

Add to that this bastard just picked up a scroll of unknown powers.

We will lynch him TODAY.

If what you said is true, I seriously think that Beefster is probably Katsuki's scum partner. Maybe we can use our "double-dipping vigs" on you, Beef

[malthusis]

You should defnitely at least glance through the last game, Beefster. There were some important points in the last game that could affect this game heavily.

[malthusis]

Yeah ABR, nice to see you ignoring the DEATHMILLER/ANTIDEATHMILLER abilities present in the last SitMOA.

Nice for you to ignore the fact that YOU CLAIMED SCUM BEFORE THE FLIP.

I can use caps too

[malthusis]

Stop spouting nonsense. If you were town, you would have mentioned that as the first thing of your post.

You claimed non-town, you flipped non-town, and you think you can somehow avoid a lynch? That's just hilarious.

[malthusis]

EBWOP: Let's not forget the original charge that got you lynched in the first place: Hammering a person for a quick-lynch for no reason.

[malthusis]

However, it is a stretch to say that he CLAIMED scum. All he claimed was barbarian. The scum part of his flipped role is "sorceror."

*facepalm*

Stop spouting BS, scum.

The only town faction in this game is WIZARD, anyone else is scum or at least a third-party, I.E NOT TOWN.

I thought bolding things would make them more obvious.....

[malthusis]

Any comments on the game so far RBT, considering you've posted nothing of value so far?

[malthusis]

Gandalf, do you think is plausible for your resurrection:

I'm still stunned that you guys voted off Gandalf for no reason, and I agree that Katsuki needs to go.

Vote Katsuki

Also, I believe this answers your questions about the town reviver nicely:

Quotes from last game:

Riceballtail wrote:I was hoping the third party would end up being a Cleric, win condition being "Bring 3 town back to life".

This is... quite an interesting idea. Hmm...

A Kats claim wouldn't hurt at all, but I seriously think now that it's a lost cause since he's in "shut-up so he doesn't reveal his partners" mode once he realizes he's done.

[malthusis]

@Mod: Can you prod everyone who hasn't posted today?

[malthusis]

See again your making a lot of assumptions there Gandalf. But the fact of the matter was Vezo Ooops hammered when we had no way of knowing that Kats was anti town. Then we know that Kats IS anti town and then is hesitant of voting? Thant makes no sense to me. How exactly is Vezo confirmed town BTW?

First off, we did have a way of knowing Katsuki was scum: he hammered an innocent townie for no reason. The fact that you say this wagon had no reason and yet you jumped on it eagerly is amazingly ironic. The reason that vezok (and me, too) are hesitant is because we want to actually discuss things instead of doing another 24 hour quick-lynch. When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

As for vezok being town, I agree with Gandalf. It's hard to say exactly how it works if you haven't played with him before, but best way I can explain it is that he plays very different and distinct town and scum games and if you've played with him for a bit, you can read him like a book.

[malthusis]

Vote: Katsuki

Either your some kind of Jester, the worst kind of town or obv scum due to the bad hammer.

Other than the first reason i see no reason currently not lynch.

POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK.

[malthusis]

When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

WTF is this?? Does no one pay attention? I hammered at the top of page 11 and made it quite clear I was hammering his ass. Why the hell are people still speculating on Kat's alignment? HE ADMITTED HE WAS SCUM. OPEN YOUR EYES.

Post#209

I would rather lynch

Kat a CONFIRMED SCUM

then hope vigs do it considering I'd rather lynch a person who I know is scum then one I know who could be scum.

But getting back to the main point, it would be nice to hear from the faces who haven't shown up yet (RBT) and the ones who haven't posted anything other then fluff (Thad off the top of my head, probably a few more I can't think of).

Post #215

Barbarian =/= Sorceror

My role PM says barbarian, not barbarian sorceror. Hence I believe deathmiller.

Stop spouting BS,

scum.

The only town faction in this game is WIZARD, anyone else is scum or at least a third-party, I.E NOT TOWN.

Post #220

Beefster use your goddamn head for two seconds.

-Protection From Energy (Two-shot): Target player is protected from killing attemps that night.
-Repulsion (One-shot): You can't be targeted that night.
-Polymorph (One-shot): Target player can't be the target of investigative effects that night.

Add to that this bastard just picked up a scroll of unknown powers.

We will lynch him TODAY.

If what you said is true, I seriously think that Beefster is probably

Katsuki's scum partner

. Maybe we can use our "double-dipping vigs" on you, Beef

Post#224

Yeah ABR, nice to see you ignoring the DEATHMILLER/ANTIDEATHMILLER abilities present in the last SitMOA.

Nice for you to ignore the fact that YOU

CLAIMED SCUM

BEFORE THE FLIP.

I can use caps too

Post #226

Stop spouting nonsense. If you were town, you would have mentioned that as the first thing of your post.

You claimed non-town, you flipped non-town, and you think you can somehow avoid a lynch? That's just hilarious.

Post #260

First off, we did have a way of knowing

Katsuki was scum

: he hammered an innocent townie for no reason. The fact that you say this wagon had no reason and yet you jumped on it eagerly is amazingly ironic. The reason that vezok (and me, too) are hesitant is because we want to actually discuss things instead of doing another 24 hour quick-lynch. When everyone chimes in with some opinions and everything that needs to be discussed is, I'll be happy to hammer Katsuki myself.

I don't know what you've been reading to think that I didn't believe that Katsuki is Scum.....

[malthusis]

Wait. I have an idea. Leave the dagger for gandalf as he is the most clear one here.

^^ QFT

[malthusis]

Pick up Dagger

sorry about the other one.

......

[malthusis]

It says in the rules that you can drop an item by PM'ing the mod your choice if you want to change your mind and leave the dagger for Gandalf.

[malthusis]

Pick up Axe

Could you actually give us some content? Coming out of total lurking to grab an axe seems extremely suspicous.

[malthusis]

I think the only consequence is you not being able to pick anything up during the day (since you already picked up the dagger). I say you should keep it if it means you have to throw it away, though.

[malthusis]

We probably have four scum alive at this point. One sorcerer, two yellow, and one third party. If I had to categorize my suspects:
Katy= sorcerer
vezok=yellow
Snake= yellow, maybe TP, but probably not sorcerer.
ThAd= Probably TP.
And my backups:
RBT and Tasky.

Do you honestly think the mod would put 8 scum against 9 town? I wouldn't think there are more then 2 non-town are alive right now.

[malthusis]

Here's a quick thought I just came up with:

It seems pretty obvious to me that sorcerer scum would not be on Katsuki's QL wagon.

Here are the people who voted for Katuki to get lynched:

Katsuki (8) - Albert B. Rampage, Tasky, ThAdmiral, SnakePlissken, CryMeARiver, CooLDoG, malthusis, vezokpiraka

The people who are living right now who haven't voted for Katsuki are:

Katy, Gandalf, Bunnylover, and RBT

We can eliminate Gandalf for obvious reasons (he flipped town), and I honestly think that Bunnylover is town, especially with his recent actions. That leaves only 2 people:

RBT and Katy

I'm sure that the last Sorcerer is one of these two.

[malthusis]

We probably have four scum alive at this point. One sorcerer, two yellow, and one third party. If I had to categorize my suspects:
Katy= sorcerer
vezok=yellow
Snake= yellow, maybe TP, but probably not sorcerer.
ThAd= Probably TP.
And my backups:
RBT and Tasky.

Do you honestly think the mod would put 8 scum against 9 town? I wouldn't think there are more then 2 non-town are alive right now.

Speculation about the setup gets us nowhere. Now if someone KNOW something about the setup, then you should tell us. Otherwise, don't speculate - scumhunt.

That's not speculation, that's just common sense

[malthusis]

I trust you but honestly, it's really annoying to uber-lurk through the game like this even if you've got some really nice inside information.

Vote Katy

[malthusis]

So on malthusis suggestion we are looking at Katy, Gandalf, Bunnylover, and RBT being scum. As previosuly mentioned Gandalf has turned out to be town. Is there any other reasoning for these guys other than the fact that they didn't vote for Katuski?

Also, a question to Katy, Bunny and RBT. Why didn't you vote for Katsuki when we knew he was scum? Or even posted after the hammer to say you would have?

Both RBT and Katy both have additional reasons behind their case, the analysis just adds supporting evidence into this.

[malthusis]

EBWOP:

Sighhhhhh, You and gandalf both (gandalf was trying to make sense out of what a confirmed scum was telling us). IF rbt WAS scum, she would lie to you. Which would mean all of this information she is telling us would serve best to her advantage. I'm not saying that she is necessarily scum, but I hate when people say "She wouldn't lie about this, she must be town" because in reality scum lies about everything to get their wincon. My vote on her is just to gain activity from her as I said before.

Rbt

could

be lying about how many anti-town roles there are. But do you agree that if she is lying it would be exceptionally risky? if a 6th anti-town role comes up and the game doesn't end she is going to be an insta-lynch.

This is a good post that adds to the decision to vote Katy. RBT's claims can be proved true or false with little trouble at all.

[malthusis]

I wouldn't trust vezok with the scroll even if he was confirmed town.

[malthusis]

What the fuck?

I have no idea what this scroll does. I even asked the mod. Does anyone want it?

I'll take it if no one objects.

[malthusis]

Also, a question to Katy, Bunny and RBT. Why didn't you vote for Katsuki when we knew he was scum? Or even posted after the hammer to say you would have?

I did vote for Katsuki after we knew he was scum.

I was talking about before the flip. Not voting for Katsuki after the flip would be like pasting a huge "I AM SCUM" sign in big bold letters on your forehead.

[malthusis]

pick up scroll

Why'd you do that?

[malthusis]

Because this game is not exclusively for 4/5 people who seem to be dictating whats going on and whose having what. I didn't see a general consensus on who should pick up the scroll. Right now there are only two people that I can know for sure are Wizards, that's myself and Gandalf, so when I'm done checking it, if I'm not able tomuse or read it, then I'll drop it. Don't just assume that you can do what you want.

It's like theres a little private community playing by a set of rules that some of us in is game aren't party too. Or maybe you are all just the anti town factions trying to treat us like sheep. Well you can just wait while I see what this scroll is. Stop being so presumptuous.

I agree with this a bit, but the reason this is happening is because you aren't doing any scumhunting. All the stuff you have been doing this game is either fluff or agreeing with the majority.

You have a mind, an opinion and vote. Use these and show us who you think are the "mastermind" scum as you say. Otherwise you are not helping town at all.

As well, why don't you trust vezok? Vezok would have no obvious reason to lie if he wasn't going to keep it for himself.

[malthusis]

DONT QUICKLYNCH

IN FACT, EVERYBODY UNVOTE UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT

unvote

^^QFT

[malthusis]

Grab Dagger

Okay, now that we're done the item swapping bonanza, let's get down to buisness:

Everyone should name who they want lynched and tell why if they haven't already stated it so far. I want a Katy lynch, but a Snake/Tasky (I need to reread their ISO's) would be my second choice.

[malthusis]

Because I wasn't in favor of the quick lynch on Katsuki (before we saw the flip). Because you know, lynching someone really quickly without even leaving time for discussion is always best play (IF they turn out to be scum that is).

I understand though - the quick lynches haven't left much time for building solid cases on anyone. There's not much to go on, so I understand why people leapt to the idea that a person who wasn't on that Katsuki wagon was scum with Katsuki. I've explained that I wasn't even online during that whole time. And if I have to take a hit at night, so be it. It's better that than a mislynch.

And Malthusis has predictably laid it out as me or RBT are the ONLY possibilities for sorceror-scum, which of course is not true. I think people are pretty much missing out on this possibility: Katsuki's scumbuddy bussed him EARLY on for placing the hammer, not predicting that there would be yet another quicklynch and they wouldn't have a chance to backpedal later.

I think you are misunderstanding my case against you. It's not about something you DID or DIDN'T do, it's about what other people did.

Think about it: If you're scum, why would it be useful for you to say

"X is scum. BANDWAGONLOLZ

Vote X

"

That wouldn't have anything to do with bussing at all. No scum partner would simply put a vote on a person randomly that is their buddy that's about to get lynched. As you can see, it's nothing about you doing something that indicates you, it's about other people doing things that cleared them. (Note that this is only about the conversation of being sorcerers. If the spymasters are a 2nd scum faction, this has nothing to do in regards with them.)

We can argue all day about "but I was going to, but I wasn't online at the time". It honestly doesn't matter unless you are bringing some major evidence to the table that RBT or Bunny is scum. The only person who even looks close to doing any attempt at bussing is ABR, and he's dead.

[malthusis]

RBT DID YOU SERIOUSLY KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU DIDNT FUCKING WARN ME?


THE SCROLL TOOK AWAY MY GODDAMN VOTE

Wow, that sucks.

RBT probably didn't know what it did, and unless Katsuki could read what was on the scroll (sorcerer only writing maybe? Glyphs that curse you if the wrong person reads it?) I doubt he did either....

[malthusis]

RBT DID YOU SERIOUSLY KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU DIDNT FUCKING WARN ME?


THE SCROLL TOOK AWAY MY GODDAMN VOTE

You're shittin me?!?!? Like just for today or for good? We gotta analyze anyone who unaturally avoided the scroll - I thought it might give a power or protection or HP or something

The irony is killing me after I wanted the scroll so badly and 3 people took it before me

[malthusis]

Nice to have you back, Beefster (although you don't look like your in the best shape right now....)

First off: Can you confirm what RBT has said?

[malthusis]

Vote: Katy

I will carry over my vote from yesterday. Note: Katy is now at L-1.

I'm still waiting for Beefster to confirm/deny/say something else about what RBT's said.

[malthusis]

I'm going to write up a post later today, but a quick question...

Exactly where has Malt been this day? He needs to come in here and give us his claim.

Are you talking role-claim or some other claim?

[malthusis]

I'm going to write up a post later today, but a quick question...

Exactly where has Malt been this day? He needs to come in here and give us his claim.

Are you talking role-claim or some other claim?

EBWOP: *facepalm* Never mind.....

[malthusis]

Okay, here's my claim:

I'm a Warmage (wizard). In addition to the few spells I have left, I have a spear that does 3 points of damage.

N1 Attacked Katsuki with a spell (Failed, used up slot and took 1 HP damage from something)
N2 Attacked Katsuki with spear (I have no idea whether this worked)
N3 Attacked Beefster with spear (Probably the reason behind Beefster's stabbed kill)
N4 Had Inbox problems, don't know whether I sent my action in. It was going to be stabbing Katy with my spear, though.

I don't really see the reason behind why you want me lynched beside the case on Katy. Can anybody sum it up for me?

[malthusis]

*facepalm*

Why are you so eager to lynch me even though nobody besides Beefster has shown any reasoning behind my lynch?

[malthusis]

Mislead?

I think Katy is scum, and I've pushed my case on it fairly hard. How is that misleading?

[malthusis]

*epic facepalms at ThAd's vote*

I don't think we need a third quicklynch, thank you very much

[malthusis]

EBWOP: Nice gambit, gandalf. The scroll that alters where your vote is without having to post it in thread is a nice touch

[malthusis]

Three quicklynches on townies.......... You don't seem to learn from your mistakes very well, do you?

Bah....