SitMOA II - [Endgame] The end...

[ThAdmiral]

/confirm

do read the rules everyone - last time they contained hints

[ThAdmiral]

Certainly no mass claiming.

[ThAdmiral]

Are you going to change your Christmas hat chess?

[ThAdmiral]

Can I haz presens?

[ThAdmiral]

@ chess: Ghost of Christmas past: you used to suck
Ghost of Christmas present: you still suck
Ghost of Christmas future: you are going to suck hard

[ThAdmiral]

Gandalf is probably going to lie about stuff again.

Vote: Gandalf

[ThAdmiral]

Hint: I would have faked a dayvig even if I was town. it was what the game needed. If I were town, I might not have kept up the illusion for quite so long however.

VOTE: Snake

For reasons earlier stated.

Could you please just stop lying?

[ThAdmiral]

Gandalf I find your attempts at comedy to be not very good.

Vote Gandalf

. However Chesskid does always make a good choice for Lynch. Oh and Gandalf will you be voting for Fate next? Or how about Q21?

No. Why would I do that? Seriously, get over yourself.

VOTE: Snake

You're conducting yourself with far too much certainty for this stage of the game.

I think there's actually something in this.

Vote: snake

[ThAdmiral]

come on board chess.

abr: would vanilla town be the most likely role to be forgotten? probably.
Tell us when you get your role and we'll take it from there.

[ThAdmiral]

Break down the suckage for me. Seems reasonable to my naive eyes.

[ThAdmiral]

I bet you anything that I will be a vanilla townie. Shall we just confirm me as town right now?

There's likely something to this actually. I personally am considering Albert clear as any mafia would have pointed out that they are missing a partner (partners are usually pointed out in role pm on this site, yes?) and I doubt that Snow_bunny would forget a 3rd party member.

There are flaws with this. A message could have been sent to the other scum members but not abr, and the messages to the other members would have mentioned abr. For example.

[ThAdmiral]

retarded hammer

vote: katsuki

[ThAdmiral]

Seriously guys WTF? Wait for a claim for christs sake.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm very suspicious of beefster as well for suggesting we let katsuki stay alive and get a vig to take care of him. Without giving away too much I don't believe katsuki can successfully receive damage at night. I'm thinking katsuki is a very powerful role and beefster wanted Kat to get to night to use his ability. This is also probably why the lynch save was used on Kat.
I'm in favor of people with damage dealing abilities putting the hurt on beefster, and Katy seems like a good option as well as per what Gandalf said.

In case it's not a lynch yet

Vote: katsuki

[ThAdmiral]

Hi guys, haven't quite caught up yet but I just want to respond to this post from yesterday as I think it is pretty bad:

I'm very suspicious of beefster as well for suggesting we let katsuki stay alive and get a vig to take care of him. Without giving away too much I don't believe katsuki can successfully receive damage at night. I'm thinking katsuki is a very powerful role and beefster wanted Kat to get to night to use his ability. This is also probably why the lynch save was used on Kat.
I'm in favor of people with damage dealing abilities putting the hurt on beefster, and Katy seems like a good option as well as per what Gandalf said.

In case it's not a lynch yet

Vote: katsuki

Same thing rewq did to look protown. That turned out well. Also, you've been on every quick bw without a reason.

First of all it is not at all similar to what rewq did. This is rewq's post:

Ok. Now I'm tempted.

Unvote

Vote: gandalf

L-1, bitches.

Will explain the Katy thing tonight, final is due in 4 hours and I still have like 1/4 of it to go I'm so not finishing.

L-1 is a bit far chess. I was about to Random Vote Gandalf, and if I had earlier before reading this post he would have been lynched. Obv scum tell.
VOTE: chesskid3

WHOA

RVS lynch on Gandalf......... I am not sure what just happened.

Can you explain why mine is the "same" as this?

Secondly I admit that I was voting for gandalf day 1 but that was a joke vote. The next time I got on he had already been lynched, hammered by scum-katsuki.

Thirdly I clearly did have a reason to vote katsuki:

retarded hammer

vote: katsuki

Furthermore why would you sling mud that I had "been on every quick bw" when the only one I had actually joined was the Katsuki one, who, if you remember, actually turned out to be scum.

Just had to get that off my chest. Will post again when I've read whats happened today.

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@rbt and the council thing - I doubt rbt would be lying about the amount of anti-town roles, as if 6 died and we still played on it would be her death sentence. In which case why provide us with this information if she is scum? I am fairly certain she is town.

Here's a quick thought I just came up with:

It seems pretty obvious to me that sorcerer scum would not be on Katsuki's QL wagon.

Here are the people who voted for Katuki to get lynched:

Katsuki (8) - Albert B. Rampage, Tasky, ThAdmiral, SnakePlissken, CryMeARiver, CooLDoG, malthusis, vezokpiraka

The people who are living right now who haven't voted for Katsuki are:

Katy, Gandalf, Bunnylover, and RBT

We can eliminate Gandalf for obvious reasons (he flipped town), and I honestly think that Bunnylover is town, especially with his recent actions. That leaves only 2 people:

RBT and Katy

I'm sure that the last Sorcerer is one of these two.

Good analysis.

vote: katy

I can drop my item, and anyone else can pick it up.
Also, do you all want to know what the item does?
And do you all want me to drop it so gandalf can pick it up?

Don't tell, do drop.

[ThAdmiral]

Sighhhhhh, You and gandalf both (gandalf was trying to make sense out of what a confirmed scum was telling us). IF rbt WAS scum, she would lie to you. Which would mean all of this information she is telling us would serve best to her advantage. I'm not saying that she is necessarily scum, but I hate when people say "She wouldn't lie about this, she must be town" because in reality scum lies about everything to get their wincon. My vote on her is just to gain activity from her as I said before.

Rbt

could

be lying about how many anti-town roles there are. But do you agree that if she is lying it would be exceptionally risky? if a 6th anti-town role comes up and the game doesn't end she is going to be an insta-lynch.

[ThAdmiral]

Because this game is not exclusively for 4/5 people who seem to be dictating whats going on and whose having what. I didn't see a general consensus on who should pick up the scroll. Right now there are only two people that I can know for sure are Wizards, that's myself and Gandalf, so when I'm done checking it, if I'm not able tomuse or read it, then I'll drop it. Don't just assume that you can do what you want.

It's like theres a little private community playing by a set of rules that some of us in is game aren't party too. Or maybe you are all just the anti town factions trying to treat us like sheep. Well you can just wait while I see what this scroll is. Stop being so presumptuous.

Yeah, sticking it to the man!

Does come across a bit paranoid though. Especially considering there is probably only 2/3 anti-town left. Do you actually believe the people who organized the scroll drop are scum?

@ gandalf: the plan with the scroll sounds good. Let's do this.

[ThAdmiral]

For the record, I will continue to hold the axe. While I trust it in the hands of Gandalf, I think I'll keep it for the night. I might go down, but I'll take someone with me.

If your axe has any kind of retaliatory affects (assuming gandalf attacks you like he said he would) or gandalf asks you to drop the axe and you don't, you get lynched. You're walking on thin ice with that kind of attitude towards a clear (which is very rare in MS and should be taken advantage of).

Gandalf gets to tell people what to do. You don't.

I'm frankly more convinced rbt is town than you.

[ThAdmiral]

@cryme: gandalf is capable of organizing item drops etc. for himself.

[ThAdmiral]

But we don't know you are town. We know gandalf is town.
Do you get that?

[ThAdmiral]

Tell your story walking Admiral.

I have never heard this line, but I love it.

You're ok cryme.

If town doesn't mind, I would like the dagger (

in the

back).

Fixed

@ malt:
I would like katy lynched for behaviour regarding katsuki yesterday, and for reasons pointed out by malthusis earlier today (essentially that she was one of only a few that didn't vote katsuki).

Other than that there's a bunch of people I think are town and everyone else I am wishy-washy on.

[ThAdmiral]

I agree that Tasky's excuses are REALLY forced. I'll vote for him as soon as I get to see how the scroll works.

I'm starting to think differently. I mean if there was a chance that he wouldn't be able to read it and that this would prove him to be scum then picking up the scroll is a pretty risky move.

[ThAdmiral]

If town doesn't mind, I would like the dagger (

in the

back).

Fixed

But I like

daggers in

my back

Fixed, again.

[ThAdmiral]

I agree that Tasky's excuses are REALLY forced. I'll vote for him as soon as I get to see how the scroll works.

I'm starting to think differently. I mean if there was a chance that he wouldn't be able to read it and that this would prove him to be scum then picking up the scroll is a pretty risky move.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure at this point that the whole "only scum doesn't know what it does" thing is crap.

True, but did scum know this at the time?
Maybe, maybe not.

[ThAdmiral]

You can go with Admiral and tell your story walking as well.

It's good for fitness.

@ everyone: tasky's got a point. Katsuki dropped it, therefore it was a scum item, vis a vis scum wouldn't have been so keen to "find out what it was" as they would have already known.

[ThAdmiral]

@ cryme: it seems pretty clear from the sequence of events that katsuki dropped the scroll when lynched the first time. As it appeared straight after the failed lynch.

Also tasky said you are scum

independent

of the scroll business. He hasn't said why, but apparently it has nothing to do with the scroll.

Chesskid had a scroll, which is what got shown after the first lynch on Katsuki (as he said in the QT that he was not interested in using it). This is why Kat picked it up so quickly after lynch #1. He knew it was from someone in the QT, and that it was good. Of course he wanted it. Kat probably passed in the QT that the scrolls were good, which is why we can't trust anyone who's not confirmed town with it.

Then why didn't it appear right after night?

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@ cryme: it seems pretty clear from the sequence of events that katsuki dropped the scroll when lynched the first time. As it appeared straight after the failed lynch.

Also tasky said you are scum

independent

of the scroll business. He hasn't said why, but apparently it has nothing to do with the scroll.

Chesskid had a scroll, which is what got shown after the first lynch on Katsuki (as he said in the QT that he was not interested in using it). This is why Kat picked it up so quickly after lynch #1. He knew it was from someone in the QT, and that it was good. Of course he wanted it. Kat probably passed in the QT that the scrolls were good, which is why we can't trust anyone who's not confirmed town with it.

Then why didn't it appear right after night?

Mod forgot? idk, but there is no reason Kat should have dropped it after a FAKE lynch.

It's possible.
But Kat did die. Sort of.
I mean kat's role was revealed, even just temporarily. So during the temporary death it is not such a stretch to say that is when the scroll was dropped.

Actually lets clear this up.

Mod - was the scroll dropping after katsuki's semi-lynch an error on your behalf?

[ThAdmiral]

As this seems to be causing too much confusion and derailing from the game, I admit that it was an error on my behalf. The scroll should have been dropped earlier, my bad.

Ah.

Point conceded cryme.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm looking really trim. It's great!

[ThAdmiral]

I'm sticking with tasky=town.

@ gandalf: sucks to have no vote but that's pretty funny.

[ThAdmiral]

Can someone stop blocking me ffs?

[ThAdmiral]

Hmmmm..... Nobody helped me with Katy last night.

Tried... but failed.

@ vt claims: I am inclined to believe both of these to be honest.

[ThAdmiral]

If they're the only 2 vt's then one of them has to be town.

[ThAdmiral]

vote: malt

I'm basically sheeping this game since theres a bunch of confirmed but I like this better than a lynch of either of the vts.

[ThAdmiral]

Let's get this to night.

unvote, vote: malthusis

[ThAdmiral]

may as well save us time and tell us if you were scum, malt

[ThAdmiral]

Lol, snow_bunny ruined any chance of that gambit working.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd, what did you do last night? And what do you think might have resulted from that that could be relevant?

I attacked vezok. And the relevant result was that vezok died.
I apparently wasn't the only one to attack vezo either given she had multiple stab wounds.

[ThAdmiral]

I've got important information but I'm on my phone. Don't lynch me until I've had a chance to talk.
Will post after work which will be in about 8 hrs.

[ThAdmiral]

Ok, having dinner. Will post soon!

[ThAdmiral]

Alrighty then!

I am going to divulge everything I know and then hope that you are willing to cooperate as I believe it would be in our mutual best interests. All I ask is that you

please keep an open mind

...

Firstly - I am scum.

Alright. Hopefully you have allowed that to sink in. Let's push on, shall we?
I am a mageslayer. My one and only partner was cooldog and we had an interesting relationship in which he could talk to me (through snowbunny), but I could not talk back. Our tasks were as follows:
1. Kidnap or kill the archmage
2. Kill magic users
Cooldog had some sort of investigative powers and I don't know what else (as, somewhat frustratingly, he didn't tell me his entire role claim), and had found out chesskid was the archmage. I had a one shot "kidnap" ability, which I used to remove chesskid from the game.
Other than that I am not sure if cooldog has been responsible for any kills (as, once again somewhat frustratingly, he didn't tell me his actions).

My item is:
A sword which I can use to deal 4 damage to any player.

My abilities are:
- I can hit someone for 6 damage, but only if they have cast a spell that night.
- The kidnap ability I already spoke about (1-shot, used).

My actions have been:
n1 - 4 damage attack on katsuki - failed (don't know why)
n2 - 4 damage attack on beefster - failed (was protected apparently, told by snowbunny)
n3 - 6 damage attack on katy - failed (don't know why, but if katy is vanilla it makes sense that it didn't work as she wouldn't have had a night action)
n4 - 4 damage attack on vezok - worked

So as you can see I have been pretty frustrated as far as night actions go.

Now here is the interesting bit: I don't need to survive to win!
I'll say that again -

I don't need to survive to win

. The win condition of the yellow mageslayer team is based on points (I'm hoping other people have point-based win conditions as then they would be able to back this up). If we get to 8 points we satisfy our win condition.
Basically as we fulfilled the main task of our team, kidnapping the archmage, we got a heap of points (5 points). The other way we gain points is by killing magic users (1 point each, sadly not including lynches), so by killing vezo last night I ensured another point for my team, meaning I am on at least 6 points. What I am hoping is that cooldog was involved in at least one of the kills that happened before he died, which means we would be on 7 points. Which of course means that I just need to be part of one more kill and I would have satisfied my win condition.
Once again I will repeat what I believe is an important sentence:

I just have to help kill one more person and I will have satisfied my one and only win condition

. After that I would be more than happy to bow out and vote for myself or whatever else you guys want me to do.

Now I know that you will still be wanting to lynch me right now as I confirmed scum but think about it logically. I am just one man. If the claim about there being 6 anti-town roles out there is true then there are probably 2 purple sorcerer scum still alive, who therefore present a much larger threat than I do.

Basically what I am suggesting is that you lynch someone else, tell me who to use my ability on tonight and then lynch me tomorrow, or however else you want to play it from there.
I feel pretty hard done by that so many of my night actions failed on me, which probably would have seen me get to the required 8 points by now and not have to worry about begging not to be lynched. But this is the situation I find myself in.
What I am asking for is mercy - or really just kindness and good sportsmanship. As town you can choose to be both greedy (by hogging the win to yourselves when you would lose nothing by sharing) and somewhat illogical by lynching me (i.e. the lesser threat), or you can take the higher path and let me help you.

I've been 100% honest in everything I've said. I poured my heart out, bared my soul. And I throw myself at your feet.

Do what you feel is right.

[ThAdmiral]

But the game won't end if the magekiller team gets to 8 points. I asked the mod about that to clarify.

I've told you everything that I have done, and I am not lying about anything.

[ThAdmiral]

I heart gandalf right now.

I'll go along with the plan but all signs point to katy actually being vanilla town.

[ThAdmiral]

@ cmar: What is your plan for lynch today, kill at night, and lynch tomorrow?

[ThAdmiral]

I can confirm I was NOT in the professors council. Cooldog didn't mention it...but he didn't mention a lot of things, so it could have been him.

[ThAdmiral]

@ cmar: What is your plan for lynch today, kill at night, and lynch tomorrow?

Lynch ThAd - You claimed scum. 1) You might have to kill 2 people to get your wincon as CoolDog might not have even killed anyone. 2) You're scum so you don't have to kill who we tell you to...because you're scum.

3) If CoolDog killed someone and got a point. If he didn't, then ThAd has to kill two people.

If cooldog didn't kill anyone and I am not removed from the game due to getting my wincon after killing someone tonight I will fully accept defeat and will happily vote myself.

[ThAdmiral]

GQPoS?

Giant Quivering Penis of Suspicion. I've seen Chronopie use it before.

Lol. I don't use fos, but I might just use this.

[ThAdmiral]

Safety first, shmafety first!

I'm the last member of my team. There are probably two more out there that represent the bigger threat. It's the same sort of situation where you've got an sk and a scumteam still around and the sk says he's willing to help. I've actually done that before as well but I can't remember the game. I was true to my word though, and I'd be true to my word now as well if you give me the chance.

Also what's wrong with sharing the love and helping ol' Thad get a win?

[ThAdmiral]

Cowards.

I would have helped you guys, but whatever.

Sometimes it's not as simple as black and white, where black = bad and white = good. I'm confident town will win anyway, but there really was no reason to deprive me of a minor victory while also helping your own cause.
While this game is of course based on deception and paranoia, it can also be good to show a bit of good faith and trust every now and then.
Plus, it's more fun taking a risk!

Anyway as far as my reads go:

obvtown:
gandalf
beefster

town:
katy - the whole no night-action thing
cmar - has been pretty proactive during the game, has had protown interactions with all the items, and may very well be cleared by the ring that he gave beefster

scum:
SnakePlissken - that hammer was really scummy in my opinion. There were still things to discuss during the day like what the deal with the ring was for example. I can see scum motivations for wanting to end the day early - beefster is heavily injured and if he is killed it is two birds with one stone as he would then never be able to clear cmar. Plus it seemed a bit too trying-hard-to-look-town, if you know what I mean. I can also see scum motivations for wanting me gone right now since I was saying how happy I was to help the town out.
rbt - no real reason, just the left over. But hasn't really been looked at through the game which could have revealed more about her alignment.

[ThAdmiral]

Also why the fuck would you ask a question and then end the day by hammering? Guys obvscum.
All town kill snake tonight.

[ThAdmiral]

Remove snake. Especially after that last bit he said. Whenever I fake-claim as scum it's as a hider, lol. Really easy fake-claim.

[ThAdmiral]

Thanks for an ever better game than the last one SnowBunny!

I still maintain that we should have let ThAd win though.

Thanks bro. I won't forget your kindness and good sportsmanship.

2 games in a row i get the coolest role
except this game some jerk kidnaps me

So sorry, and to make it worse it was all for naught.
Will you ever forgive me?

[ThAdmiral]

also a /pre in for me as well

I'm not going to stop until I get a win...and then I'll probably keep playing anyway.